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Earnings Call: Q2 2024

Jul 31, 2024

Operator

This call is being recorded on July 31st, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Eric Bowers, VP of Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Eric Bowers
VP of Finance and Investor Relations, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Ina, and welcome to the Boardwalk REIT 2024 Second Quarter Results Conference Call. With me here today are Sam Kolias, Chief Executive Officer; James Ha, President; Lisa Smandych, our current Chief Financial Officer; Gregg Tinling, our incoming Chief Financial Officer; Samantha Kolias-Gunn, Senior VP of Corporate Development and Governance; and Samantha Adams, Senior VP of Investments. We would like to acknowledge, on behalf of Boardwalk, the treaties and traditional territories across our operations and express gratitude and respect for the land we are gathered on today, and we now know as Canada. We respect Indigenous peoples and communities as the original stewards of this land. We come with respect for this land that we are on today, for all the people who have and continue to reside here, and the rich diversity of First Nation, Inuit, and Métis peoples.

Before we get to our results, please note that this call is being broadly distributed by way of webcast. If you have not already done so, please visit bwreit.com/investors, where you will find a link to today's presentation, as well as PDF files of the Trust's financial statements, MD&A, and quarterly report. Starting on Slide 2, we would like to remind our listeners that certain statements in this call and presentation may be considered forward-looking statements. Although the expectations set forth in such statements are based on reasonable assumptions, Boardwalk's future operations and its actual performance may differ materially from those in any forward-looking statements. Additional information that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements is detailed in Boardwalk's publicly filed documents. I would like to now turn the call over to Sam Kolias.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Eric, and welcome everyone to our Q2 2024 conference call, and especially a very warm welcome to Gregg Tinling, our CFO as of August 1st. Starting on Slide 4, our culture. From our humble beginnings 40 years ago, in 1984, our resident members are at the top of our organization. Our leaders put our team first. Our team puts our resident members first. Guided by the golden rule, we have a peak-performing customer service culture that creates exceptional results, as we can see on Slide 5. Our continued strong performance with GAAP and non-GAAP measures, increasing from the same quarter last year. Our same property net operating income growth has increased 14.2% this quarter, as well as our funds from operation per unit of 16.9%, with the exception of profit, which has decreased as a result of fair value adjustments.

I would like to now pass it over to Samantha Kolias-Gunn.

Samantha Kolias-Gunn
SVP of Corporate Development and Governance, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you so much, Sam, and congratulations to our team, our Boardwalk family, as we continue to deliver leading results. Macroeconomic conditions are robust in our core markets, as illustrated on Slide 6. Demand remains strong. Alberta, our most significant market, continues to report record-high interprovincial and international migration as a result of the Alberta Advantage, to quote our Premier, Danielle Smith. What makes the Alberta Advantage? Our diversifying economy, job opportunities, world-class educational programs that attract skilled talent, an exceptional quality of life, and affordability. Alberta has some of the most affordable rental rates in the country that will continue to attract more prospective Albertans and Boardwalk resident members home. Please refer to our appendix for more data on the Alberta Advantage. Supply remains low relative to anticipated household formation, as challenging development, economics, and labor shortages continue.

We are working collaboratively with all levels of government and other stakeholders to encourage implementing proven public policy to help rebalance demand and supply over the longer term. We would like to now pass the call on to Gregg Tinling and Lisa Smandych, who will provide us with an overview of our quarter results, strong balance sheet, fair value, and ESG. Gregg?

Gregg Tinling
Incoming CFO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Samantha. Slide 7 shows our key operational metrics with high occupancy, lower incentives, and higher occupied rents, resulting in higher revenues for Q2 2024 compared to the same period a year ago. This is a reflection of our key strategic decisions made to maximize free cash flow and diversify our product offering, yielding significant financial performance. Slide 8 highlights our FFO per unit and distribution growth. Boardwalk's minimum distribution policy or maximum cash flow retention policy resulted in an FFO payout ratio of 34.6% for Q2 2024. Our disciplined FFO payout ratio continues to allow us to fund our organic growth opportunity and reinvest it with cash flow. Slide 9 illustrates our leverage reduction, highlighting our leverage metrics with respect to debt to total assets and debt to EBITDA.

Boardwalk is naturally deleveraging, resulting in improved debt metrics, with debt to total assets at 40.8% at June 30th, 2024, compared to 43.2% at December 31st, 2023, and debt to EBITDA of 10.75 at June 30th, 2024, compared to 11.02 at December 31st, 2023. Slide 10 shows strong, steady leasing spreads on new and renewed leases within our self-regulated, resident-friendly centric model, keeping retention and referrals high and our turnover and expenses low. Year-over-year, we have seen a significant improvement. Existing leasing spreads on renewals are strategically moderated to keep providing resident-friendly, affordable housing options in our core markets, while lowering our costs and steadying operational results. A win-win for all our stakeholders.

Slide 11 shows continued strong and steady sequential rental revenue growth, including 2.3% growth in Q2 2024, compared to Q1 2024, a result of strong leasing spreads during a seasonally higher period from a leasing volume perspective. Slide 12 highlights Boardwalk's large presence in affordable and non-price-controlled markets, and with approximately 73% of our portfolio in Alberta and Saskatchewan, we are well-positioned for sustainable organic growth. Boardwalk's current mark-to-market, which includes the reduction of incentives, averages CAD 177 per suite and equates to an approximate CAD 70.6 million revenue opportunity. With the current supply-demand imbalance, we anticipate market rents will continue to increase, resulting in a continued mark-to-market revenue opportunity.

Moving to Slide 13, for Q2 2024, same-property net operating income increased by 14.2% as compared to Q2 2023, with revenue growth of 9.5%. For the six months ended June 30th, 2024, same-property net operating income increased by 13.9%, with revenue growth of 9.4%. Alberta, the trust's largest region, saw a revenue growth of 10.8% in Q2 2024, and 11% for the six months ended June 30th, 2024, as compared to Q2 2023, and the six months ended June 30, 2023, respectively.

Operating expenses increased by 1.6% in Q2 2024, and 2.6% for the six months ended June 30th, 2024, primarily due to higher wages and salaries as a result of inflationary adjustments at the beginning of the calendar year and higher utilities from an increase in utility rates. The team remains committed to ensuring focus and discipline when managing controllable operating expenses. On Slide 14, administration costs increased just over CAD $1.7 million as compared to Q2 2023, and increased CAD $1.4 million compared to Q1 2024. The increase was driven by inflationary wage adjustments at the beginning of the year, an increase in software costs, including cybersecurity and new software to improve operating efficiencies, as well as increases in professional services such as legal, tax, and government relations.

Specific to Q2 2024 is approximately CAD 100,000 for our new customer service platform, while also incurring approximately CAD 325,000 for the historic call center. Beginning September 2024, the trust expects to only incur approximately CAD 100,000 per quarter. Also, there were increased travel costs specific to Boardwalk participating in the Homes of Hope program, a cost of approximately CAD 200,000. Deferred unit-based compensation increased due to an increase in the number of participants, as well as the cost of the program, noting that historically, the highest deferred unit-based compensation expense is in the second quarter. I would like to now pass the call on to Lisa Smandych to discuss the Trust's Financial Foundation and ESG. Lisa?

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Gregg. Slide 15 illustrates Boardwalk's mortgage maturity schedule. Our mortgages are well staggered, with approximately 96% of our mortgage balance carrying NHA insurance through the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation. This insurance remains in effect for the full amortization of the mortgage, and in addition to carrying the government of Canada's backing, provides access to financing rates, to financing at rates lower than conventional mortgages, with a current estimated five-year and 10-year CMHC rate of 3.85% and 4.15%, respectively. Though current interest rates are above the trust maturing rates, the trust maturity curve remains staggered, reducing the renewal amount in any particular year. Lastly, the trust has an interest coverage of 2.86 in the current quarter. Slide 16 highlights our 2024 mortgage program.

To date, we have renewed or forward-locked CAD 244.6 million at an average rate of 4.48% and an average term of six years. Current underwriting criteria in our most recent submissions to CMHC and our lenders has remained in line with our historically conservative estimates. Moving to the right of the slide, we provide a summary of Boardwalk's available liquidity. The trust is well-positioned with approximately CAD 120 million in cash and subsequently funded financing, as well as an undrawn CAD 196 million dollar operating line. This approximate CAD 316 million in liquidity provides the trust with a flexible financial position. Furthermore, subsequent to June 30th, 2024, Boardwalk added an additional CAD 50 million dollar demand facility to upsize our total capacity.

Our credit facility had remained unchanged since 2007, and given the cost of inflation in recent years, Boardwalk felt it was prudent to keep in line with current asset values and position ourselves favorably for opportunistic, strategic, and accretive acquisitions that may present themselves in the future. Slide 17 illustrates the trust's estimated fair value of its investment properties, excluding adjustments for IFRS 16, which totals CAD 8.2 billion as at June 30th, 2024, as compared to CAD 7.6 billion as at December 31, 2023. The increase in overall fair value is the result of increases in market rents at select sites and communities as market fundamentals improve, as well as the acquisitions of The Circle and The Brenda Apartments in Calgary, Alberta, and Dawson Landing in Chestermere, Alberta, while being slightly offset by an increase to capitalization rates.

Current estimated fair value of approximately CAD 236,000 per apartment door remains below replacement cost. In consultation with our external appraisers, the capitalization rates or cap rates, used in determining Q2 2024 fair value were unchanged from Q1 2024, and increased from Q4 2023 from adjustments made to the Trust's Ontario assets in London and Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge markets. As it does every quarter, the Trust will continue to review completed asset sales transactions and market reports to determine if adjustments to cap rates are necessary. Most recent published cap rate reports suggest the cap rates being utilized by the Trust for calculating fair value are within their estimated ranges. Slide 18 highlights our ESG initiatives. Using a disciplined capital allocation approach, we are focused on reducing emissions through reduced utilities consumption, and therefore reducing utilities costs, while also promoting social and governance initiatives.

We encourage our stakeholders to view our 2023 ESG report, available on the Trust website. I would now like to turn the call to Samantha Adams to highlight our capital allocation and discuss the development pipeline. Samantha?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Lisa. On Slide 19, as previously mentioned by Gregg, we continue to prudently deploy some of our free cash flow to repositioning and value-add capital improvements at our existing communities. We currently have 19 projects underway or planned in 2024, which include adding to or improving common area amenities, which will further enhance our revenue growth as well as resident satisfaction. In addition to our common area projects, we are also continuing with our Suite Optimization Program, which is the conversion of underutilized storage or administration spaces that can be converted to rental suites. Each project we undertake is evaluated individually, and we target at least an 8% return on cost, providing an accretive return on our capital.

On Slide 20, we are pleased to confirm that we have strategically allocated the net proceeds from the December 2023 equity raise to further support our growth and enhance the overall quality of our portfolio. As disclosed in Q1, we repaid our CAD 57.2 million construction loan on 45 Railroad, which bore an interest rate of 6.6% and closed on The Circle, a CAD 77.6 million, 295-suite community located in South Calgary. This acquisition, which was a forward purchase, represents a stabilized cap rate of 5.75%, or about CAD 263,000 per suite. The Circle is currently unencumbered, which provides us with some additional balance sheet flexibility going forward.

Most recently, we announced that we have a purchase agreement in place to acquire Elbow 5 Eight, which, like The Circle, is a forward purchase. Elbow 5 Eight is in the final stages of construction, and we anticipate closing in Q1 of 2025, subject to closing conditions. The property is a 255-suite, six-story wood frame project, very well located, about 15 minutes south of downtown Calgary, and a two-minute walk to Chinook Centre Mall. With a purchase price of CAD 93 million, this represents a stabilized cap rate of 5.75%. While we anticipate stabilization to occur in Q4 of 2025, we are initiating a pre-leasing program later this quarter. Dawson Landing is a 63-unit, 12-building, newly constructed townhouse development located in Chestermere, a rapidly growing community located approximately 30 minutes east of Calgary.

Comprised of two and three-bedroom townhomes, Dawson Landing is well located within walking distance of many key amenities, including schools and retail. Our acquisition price of CAD 26.3 million represents a cap rate of 5% and increases our exposure to the townhome rental asset class. Slide 21 provides an update on our development pipeline. 45 Railroad is approaching the final stages of stabilization. The two rental towers are approximately 80% leased, and we are currently marketing the commercial space. This project was delivered on time and on budget, and we are projecting a stabilized yield within our forecasted range. Our three Victoria area development projects continue to move forward. Aspire has a target occupancy of December 31st, 2024 for building one. The framing for building two is scheduled to commence this August, and the estimated timeline for completion is June 2025.

The Aspire is progressing on budget and is located adjacent to our existing Aurora community, which will allow for greater operational efficiencies once completed. The Marin and Island Highway projects are in the pre-construction phase. We've completed tender drawings for the Marin, and the tender results, expected in September, will determine project timing. On Island Highway, we have just received official rezoning, and we are working through next steps. Marda Loop is our one-acre land assembly in Calgary, located in the heart of one of the city's most desirable and amenity-rich neighborhoods. While currently in the pre-construction phase, our concept plan will feature the cost benefit of wood frame construction versus concrete, as well as larger suites that we believe will provide a differentiated product in the Marda Loop node that will attract strong rental rates.

I would now like to turn the call over to James Ha.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Samantha. Starting on Slide 22, we have had a solid start to 2024 and are well positioned in our strategy and approach to create value for all our stakeholders. Our resident-friendly approach to moderate and sustainable rent adjustments in our non-price-controlled markets is resulting in strong leasing spreads and high occupancy, while also elongating our best-in-class organic growth trajectory. As our free cash flow continues to grow, our unique strategy of minimum distributions is maximizing our available capital for reinvestment back into housing and has improved our balance sheet, providing increased flexibility for future opportunities, including investment in our own value add improvement program, as well as the acquisition and development of new communities to expand our portfolio on an accretive basis.

We believe executing on this growth approach will continue to create value for all our stakeholders, while our current valuation represents unique value in the public market and when compared to private market transactions. Slide 23 provides an update to our 2024 financial guidance. With our strong performance in the first half of the year, continued strong leasing trends into the fall, and measured cost control to date, we are updating our guidance to tighten the overall range for the balance of the year.

2024, we now anticipate same property NOI growth to range between 12.5%- 14.5%, and FFO per unit to range from CAD 4.11 - CAD 4.23. As always, we will update our guidance on a quarterly basis and as market conditions may warrant. On Slide 24, we share an update on recent transactions that have occurred in our core markets. These transactions highlight the increasing investment activity and the value that Boardwalk's trust units represent, relative to both transaction cap rates and on a per door basis. Lastly, we know many of our team are listening in to this call while preparing suites on a back-to-back basis with our month-end today.

We cannot thank our Boardwalk family and team enough for the over 200 units we will turn over today for our new resident members to move into tomorrow. Thank you to our team for providing communities that our resident members are proud to call home. I would now like to open up the line for questions. Ina?

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. Questions will be taken in the order received. Should you wish to cancel your request, please press star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment please, for your first question. Your first question comes on the line of Frank Liu from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks, operator, and good morning, everyone.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Hi, Frank. Good morning.

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

Morning. So since on the launch of your strategic moderation on rents, you have been able to hit the 7%-9% target spread. Just wondering how long you think the current momentum will sustain, and at what point you are likely to revisit target? I mean, we see the MTM contraction is slightly this quarter. Like, you know, would you reconsider your, your target and the strategy when, let's say, it heads to a mid-single digit?

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you. It's Sam, and looking at Slide 42 in our appendix, our overall average rents in place for typically a two bedroom, because that's our average size, is CAD 1,460 versus the Canadian average of about, according to Rentals.ca, asking prices of CAD 2,260. So we've got exceptional affordability and value in our product and service. Of particular note is our largest region, Edmonton, which it has an even lower average rent for an average two bedroom of about CAD 1,416. And Rentals.ca, on their June most recent report, shows an average asking rent in Edmonton of CAD 1,708. So we're really, really happy to be able to provide exceptional value, and the difference between our in-place rents and the rents on average in Canada are significant.

And so the most important lesson we've learned is to continue to provide affordable housing, and there's always a demand for affordable housing. And with that gap that we're seeing, with inflation that we're seeing, and the cost of new construction that we're seeing, we see a great future for a win-win-win for our resident members, our unit holders, and our associates, and our communities. So we are seeing a very bright future continue to because of the relative value that we continue to provide, Frank.

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

Got it, Sam. So you think this will be sustained, and this will be sustainable, like, into the 2025s?

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

You know, the number is kind of three, and given the relative rents that we have in place versus our competitors in the marketplace, that shows we've got quite a gap still. And we're gonna continue to be flexible with our residents, continue to be self-regulated, because we agree regulation is good as long as it's self-regulation. That's the best form of regulation. So yes, we, because of the gap, see a number of years ahead of us that we'll continue to self-regulate, provide the best value, and growth as well. That's that win-win-win that we are in a very great position.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

To provide.

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you. That's encouraging to hear. Just want to switching gears to the operating expense side. The muted operating expense growth has contributed to a decent margin expansion this quarter. Do you have a sense on how property tax and insurance are trending for the second half of this year and into 2025?

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Yes. Hi, Frank. For insurance, we just recently went through our renewal, and it went very well. It's going to be lower than what we expected and lower than last year. And as for property taxes, we have received all of our final bills. So property taxes, we're looking at around 3.5% for the year. And overall, total rental expenses, we're looking at a 1%-3% growth.

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

Got it. And then insurance, you think it's like 3%, in the 3% range, or?

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

It's just gonna be, lower than last year. I think we're looking at perhaps a 10%, savings there.

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

Oh, okay. Got it. So lastly, I wanna talk, catch up on the CapEx side. Your maintenance CapEx is tracking closely to your budget. For the year- to- date, value add CapEx seems relatively lower to your budget. Is this just a function of lower turnover, and do you expect this to catch up in the second half of this year?

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah. Hi, Frank, it's Lisa. You have it bang on. So it's a little bit driven by turnover, but more than anything, it's driven a bit by seasonality. We do find that the first six months of the year from a CapEx spend tends to be a little bit lower than that second half. Q3 is that prime CapEx spend period, especially for exterior projects in Canada. We have seen. Yes, we have seen a decline in suite turnover, and our suite CapEx would be slightly down, but not the same as what we saw last year. As you recall, last year, we were quite below our suite CapEx budget. This year, we're trending a little bit behind. Again, trying to make sure to pivot those dollar savings to other capital projects where possible.

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you, Lisa.

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

So the-

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

That's great color.

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

I know. Yeah, and so the intention is we should come close to that capital budget for 2024.

Frank Liu
Senior Equity Research Associate, BMO Capital Markets

Got it. Thank you. I guess that's all for me. Congrats on another strong quarter. I'll turn it back. Thank you.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Thanks, Frank, and it's James here. Well, while you brought up the topic of insurance, we really cannot thank our insurance team and our entire team enough for the great work that we're doing in ensuring that our residents have insurance policies and reducing all of our claims that resulted in that strong, insurance decline that Gregg was speaking to. So thank you, thank you, thank you, our whole team.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Kelcher from TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Thanks. First, just sticking with the insurance for one second. What sort of percent of revenue is insurance costs usually?

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

Jonathan, insurance is roughly, let's just call it roughly CAD 10 million-CAD 11 million dollars of expense.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. That is helpful. And then just switching gears a little bit here and maybe get Samantha answering some questions. On acquisitions, where are you guys seeing the most opportunities right now?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Hi there. Yeah, we still see an incredible number of opportunities in our core markets. So, Calgary, specifically, I would say, where we're still seeing really strong rent growth. We're not exclusively focused on Calgary, obviously. We're keen to buy, you know, the best property or the best community and the best location, that will continue to drive our amazing rent growth. And we're also looking at, you know, recycling out of some of our non-core assets. So that's all part of the plan. But I would say, you know, today, some of the best value is still in Calgary.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. And in any other—like, if you were looking at Ontario, would that just be brand-new stuff, staying away from—

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

... from rent-controlled assets?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah, I think that's fair to say that it really needs to be 2018 and newer. I mean, I would never say never, but I think for us, moving into sort of the non-rent-controlled environment in Ontario is the goal.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. And then just on development, would you guys get in the ground on one of the three developments that you haven't started on in 2025?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

It is. Yes, it is very likely.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Which one? Which one's most likely?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

I think I can get back to you with more specifics, but I think The Marin is the most likely. That's the furthest along of the three.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. That's helpful. I'll turn it back. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Kyle Stanley from Desjardins. Please go ahead.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Thanks. Morning, everyone. Probably, you know, a bit less impactful for Boardwalk relative to some of the peers. I'm just curious on your thoughts for, you know, your outlook for third quarter leasing and the beginning of the school year. Obviously, this will be the first year of the foreign student visa cap, so just curious on how that plays out.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Hey, Kyle, it's James. You know, so far as, as you know, we're leasing into August and even into September at this juncture, and we're continuing to see strength across our portfolio. You can see in the leasing spreads, we're continuing to. We're anticipating to continue to be in that range, but when we look at availability, there really is limited availability across our portfolio. When we look at, you know, our university areas in Edmonton and in Calgary both are experiencing limited availability at this juncture. And so, you know, from a foreign student or the non-permanent resident cap, we're, we're not seeing much impact today on the ground. But I'll remind everybody that, for Alberta specifically, because there is a proportionate adjustment for those student visas, we actually anticipate Alberta to come out ahead with that adjustment.

And so good news. As we look into fall, we're in a good position to continue on this elongated and moderated path that we've been speaking to.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Okay, great. That makes sense. Maybe just kind of building on Frank's earlier line of questioning, but just, you know, as we start to really focus in more on 2025 and the growth story there, and, you know, likely beginning to really see the merits of your strategic moderation. I think Sam gave some good color on expectations for leasing spread. But kinda when you dial it all back, you know, do we still see this opportunity for kind of mid to high single digit revenue growth into 2025, given maybe the demand dynamics you're seeing in the market today?

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah, Kyle, it's James here again. Our whole strategy that started in 2023 on this strategic moderation was to develop and build very consistent and strong results. And so you've seen that so far this year, where our results are very much mirroring how we performed in 2023, and we're aiming to build the exact same for 2025. And so as Sam talked about in terms of affordability, in terms of our own strategic moderation, we are set up well to continue to deliver those similar results. You know, when we look at development and we look at demand relative to supply or under construction, that continues to remain favorable. And so from a macro standpoint, we do think we are set up to deliver very similar results for 2025.

Of course, you know, we'll provide that formal guidance later in the year.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Kyle, it's Sam.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Okay.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Any provider of a product and service that provides exceptional value, exceptional experience, and the best product quality and focuses on customers, which is resident members, in our case, any provider of anything that focuses in on that, is gonna be successful. That's what we have to stress always when we get any inbound calls, especially from media, that asks us what our focus is, and that's why we're always gonna focus in on and refer everyone to Slide 4. Our resident members, happy residents make happy investors, happy associates make happy residents. That's really the formula, and that creates a virtuous cycle of low turnovers, high referrals, and we've discussed this a lot before, and great results. We really start with our residents first, always. Thank you.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Okay, thank you for that, Sam. Just last one. You know, looking at where the CMHC insured rate is today, especially on the five-year, it looks like positive leverage on a going-in basis is a lot more achievable, maybe than it's been for a little while. You know, what kind of impact do you think this has on the transaction market, maybe in your core markets, but just broadly across the country? You know, any hangover from deals that got pulled forward because of the capital gains inclusion? Just you know, broad question, I guess, on the transaction environment.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah, Kyle, maybe I can start here. Certainly more, this more stable interest rate environment, as you've seen in our, I think it was Slide 20- 24, there has been, incrementally more transaction activity, even ourselves, getting in front of, the capital gains change with the closing of some of the acquisitions that we'd previously announced. And so we, we certainly are expecting, more activity out there. Samantha mentioned earlier, I think it was in response to Jonathan, you know, we, we certainly are looking at opportunities to become more transactional and look at even our non-core assets, as an opportunity to, recycle capital. And so, you know, it's early days. You know, summer is certainly, gonna be telling for, for this opportunity to see what occurs out there.

Where else in Canada right now can we see, you know, the strong rental growth that we're currently seeing? We're talking double-digit NOI growth. And per our slide, you're seeing transactions, you know, generally with a four-handle or, to your point, with positive leverage. But as we know, as NOI grows by 10% or 15%, you know, these 4.5 caps quickly turn into 5s, which can turn into 5.5s, which can turn into 6. And, you know, really the place that we're seeing that is in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Fair enough. Okay, thank you very much for that. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Sairam Srinivas from Cormark. Please go ahead.

Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst, Cormark

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, Boardwalk team. Just focusing on Saskatchewan, and it's a market which, you know, we haven't spoken about it a lot, but it's a market that has seen a significant amount of rent growth in the last couple of quarters. Can you probably give a bit of color in terms of what you're seeing in that market? And, you know, this is a market that could probably see some amount of capital allocation right?

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Looking at Rentals.ca and our discussions, and all the credit goes to our Saskatchewan team, because we really every month we review results in Saskatchewan, we're like, "Wow!" Just month-over-month, over month and years. And when we look at relative rents. Where is there even more affordable rents than Edmonton? That's Regina and Saskatoon. And so the relative affordability is a huge factor. Also, the leadership, the public policies, the diverse economy, agriculture, resources, whereas real entrepreneur growth mindset, premier. Again, it's really a great, great province and, Saskatchewan's got what everybody in the world needs, like Alberta. And so we're really in a great spot, being in both these amazing provinces.

Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst, Cormark

Is that market something you guys would be keen on growing in, looking ahead in the next 12 months?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Hi, it's Samantha. Yes, absolutely. I would say specifically in Saskatoon, we have looked at a few opportunities, the investment team has. Yeah, we continue to be strong believers in both Regina and Saskatoon.

Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst, Cormark

Thanks, Samantha. And just probably, you know, going back on your comment on non-core assets that you could probably see, diversity over the next 12 months, are there specific markets which you feel, you know, you kind of reach your potential and probably you want to kind of get out of?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Well, we're not looking to exit this market, but we are looking at trading out of some of our non-core assets in Edmonton. We're certainly not exiting the Edmonton market.

Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst, Cormark

Yeah, no, further, that makes sense. All right, I'll turn it back. Thank you, guys.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you, and your next question comes from the line of Mario Saric from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Mario Saric
Managing Director of Real Estate and REITs, Scotiabank

Hi, good morning. Just, first question, just on your, your 100 basis point higher Same Property NOI guidance boost, this quarter for 2024. Specifically, was it on higher than previously expected revenue or lower operating costs?

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

Mario, it would be a combination of both, I would say. So, yes, revenue is certainly coming in at the higher end of our range, and is, that's sort of what we're forecasting when we look through the year. And then expenses, yes, we are, the team in that discipline focused on savings, savings being in bad debt, advertising, insurance, repairs and maintenance. So, it would be a combination of the both.

Mario Saric
Managing Director of Real Estate and REITs, Scotiabank

On the revenue side, is it more the occupancy holding up quite well, or new or renewal spreads where you're doing better than you thought?

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Hey, Mario, it's James. A combination of both, and, you know, in addition to, to Lisa's point on our team doing an exceptional job in controlling costs, we had a great first half of the year on the utilities front as well. And so when you put all of that together, that, and in addition to the property tax finalization that Gregg was speaking to earlier, all of that has provided us that confidence and conviction to tighten that guidance, going forward.

Mario Saric
Managing Director of Real Estate and REITs, Scotiabank

Okay. Just on the expense side, the growth was 1.6% this quarter, it was 3.5% year-over-year. In Q1, I think you talked about it being kind of 1%-3% this year. I know 2025 is a ways out, but if you're able to maintain occupancy where it stands today, and I'm not talking about property taxes or utilities, to some extent, those are less controllable. When we think about your OpEx in 2025, is there a roadmap there where you can see similar type, just like modest inflationary growth in 2025 relative to 2024?

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah, I think, Mario, I mean, we've always articulated that Boardwalk's goal when it comes to managing expenses is to stay below inflation. So to your point, I think when we're looking at those controllable expenses in those tight markets, we would look for our expenses to be below inflation. So I guess, yeah, looking at 2025, you, if you take inflation and Boardwalk would likely be a little bit below that, would be the goal.

Mario Saric
Managing Director of Real Estate and REITs, Scotiabank

Okay. And then just last question. On the 10%-15% new lease spread, 7%-9% on renewal, when you measure up to your competitors in your primary markets, would you say that competitors are trying to push a similar range in terms of rental growth, or is it slightly different?

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Mario, for the most part, we're seeing pretty well, similar ranges from, most of our competition. You know, there are obviously, exceptions to that on both sides. And those exceptions we generally find, coming from smaller owner-operators who, you know, may have, various mortgage or other cost impacts. And so, but for the most part, we're seeing most of our competition and our peers take a very similar approach in our core markets.

Mario Saric
Managing Director of Real Estate and REITs, Scotiabank

Okay, thank you.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Mario.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Jimmy Shan from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Jimmy Shan
Managing Director of Real Estate and Global Research, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks. It's two quick ones for me. When I look at the Q2 expense growth by region, Calgary and Saskatchewan sort of stand out in terms of year-over-year decline. Can you remind me what the drivers were for those declines? Then, secondly, on this new customer service platform you've implemented versus the call center, can you explain that a little bit further?

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah, I'll start with the from an expense perspective, certainly, Jimmy, when we're looking at Calgary and Edmonton, the savings come from similar areas. It's largely being driven by that insurance year-over-year. So reminding ourselves that the first half of the year would have been the old insurance plan that came. So we've now had two consecutive years, I guess, of insurance decline. In addition to that, we're seeing savings from bad debts, advertising, and a bit of repairs and maintenance. The areas where we're seeing cost pressure in actual results would be a little bit on the wages and salaries side and utilities. But more or less, it's being driven by advertising, bad debt, insurance, and repairs and maintenance being lower in both Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Jimmy Shan
Managing Director of Real Estate and Global Research, RBC Capital Markets

Sorry, just to follow up on that, but is there anything specifically or unique about those two markets that would result in those savings being higher than the rest of the other regions?

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

I would just say the premise right now is when there's limited availability for people to move, so advertising goes down when your turnover is going down and there's less availability. Bad debts, people are good at paying their rent. The affordability of our products enables people to be able to afford that rent, so that's part of the bad debt decline. Repairs and maintenance, again, that's gonna fluctuate through all markets. Some markets will have a good repairs and maintenance quarter versus others, so that one's a little bit less market specific. But overall, it's I think it's being driven largely just by that low availability and people being on top of. So that we can spend less on advertising and people pay their rent.

Your second question, if you could, I think it was the customer service one, but can you just ask it again, so I make sure to answer it correctly?

Jimmy Shan
Managing Director of Real Estate and Global Research, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. You noted G&A, the customer service platform, is gonna result in some savings going forward. I just wanted to know what that's about.

Lisa Smandych
CFO, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah, maybe I'll start it off, and then James can elaborate on this initiative a little bit. So currently, Boardwalk operates. We're moving basically to an AI-driven customer service center, so that those common questions as part of our 24/7 service program can be answered by a computer rather than an actual physical agent, and so that's largely where those savings are coming from. The quarter itself, we have a, we're as we transition, we basically have both up and running right now to make sure that there's no transition hiccups. But maybe James, if you want to elaborate on that program.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah. You know, we're really excited about this, Jimmy. This is the first real use of a virtual assistant or an AI platform where, you know, when we speak to our team and our leadership team, who our customer service leadership team is really excited about it as well, because if you think of the type of calls that we might get, you know, many of them, as much as we would love and provide a platform for our resident members to input it virtually through our online platform, many of them still like to call in.

So if we can, if we can serve that without that call being transferred to an agent, and it's gated virtually and taken care of virtually, we believe we can reduce call volumes that are actually handled by, by a person while maintaining, if not even exceeding our current service levels. And so, as you can see, there is a good savings that we are anticipating on a run rate basis, with this, with this new platform. We've seen this AI really grow as we've kind of fed it information over the last several months, and it's only gonna get better, and so we're really excited. I know you asked about the OpEx for other areas. We're really excited to see where this AI can go going forward. Can we, can we extend it past our call center?

Can we extend it into, you know, calls that go into our residents, and into our communities? So we're just at the leading edge of where this can go.

Jimmy Shan
Managing Director of Real Estate and Global Research, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thank you.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Thanks, Jimmy.

Operator

Thank you, and your next question comes from the line of Gaurav Mathur from Green Street. Please go ahead.

Gaurav Mathur
Analyst, Green Street

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Now, given the pace of acquisition so far, in the first half of the year and you know, where your cost of capital is currently, are you thinking about dispositions in any form in the second half of the year, given that there is a strong appetite for multifamily assets, particularly in Alberta and across Canada?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Hi, it's Samantha speaking. Yeah, we are currently contemplating some dispositions of some of our non-core assets in Edmonton.

Gaurav Mathur
Analyst, Green Street

And will that be-

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Free up capital for us to redeploy into newer assets in some of our core markets.

Gaurav Mathur
Analyst, Green Street

Well, that's great. And we can expect that in the second half of the year?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

I believe so, yes.

Gaurav Mathur
Analyst, Green Street

Okay. And just last question. You've also highlighted the strength of the market on the call. Now, as we look ahead, are there any pockets of weakness in the portfolio, either now or in the future, that you're keeping an eye on?

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

You know, at this juncture, Gaurav, we're seeing pretty, pretty good strength across the portfolio. But again, I think a lot of that, we have to give credit to our team and the moderation that we're taking, and as a result of that, you know, it's resulting in very consistent growth and results. I think if we look at the affordability side, especially in our core markets, you know, it's attracting Canadians and others who are moving to Canada, as Samantha Kolias-Gunn talked about in her prepared remarks. That's a huge part of the Alberta Advantage, and I think we should probably add the Saskatchewan Advantage to that as well. So far, Gaurav, we're continuing to see really strong fundamentals in the multifamily sector in Canada, especially for affordable products.

Gaurav Mathur
Analyst, Green Street

Okay. Thank you for the color. I'll turn it back to the operator.

Operator

Thank you, and your next question comes from the line of Matt Kornack from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Hey, guys. Sam, you've mentioned Rentals.ca a few times and the rents relative to your portfolio, but you also provide market rent disclosure in your MD&A. But it sounds like those Rentals.ca figures are probably closer to what the true market rent is. Is that a fair assessment, that maybe there's 35% mark-to-market opportunity in your Alberta markets, the mainland, at this point?

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

The difference between asking rents for a renter and a resident that's looking for a new home today is, yes, that's, that's the market, that's the average, and that's the differential in percentage, and it is significant. That really drives our renewals, our satisfaction, and lower costs as well, because when we go through a renewal and we look at the market and, and, show the huge relative value we continue to provide, even with the adjustments that we are making. And again, the one chart we have to go back to and look at is Slide 39. Our discounts in the second quarter of 2018 were CAD 11.575 million for the quarter. This quarter, our discounts are CAD 2.35 million.

So we have to remind everybody that most of these adjustments that we're seeing are really the elimination of discounts. And when we go back to 2015 to now, we're simply not even catching up to Consumer Price Index. So we're just catching up to Consumer Price Index, and we're still behind. And so, yes, we've got a long ways to go, but we're doing really well. We have, as we discussed, happy residents make happy results, happy associates make happy residents and it's a virtuous circle that we've seen many years going forward in being able to provide exceptional affordability and results. Both can go hand in hand.

No, that's fair. I mean, we've seen nationally that rent has been well outstripping CPI. So presumably in Alberta, where you're just playing catch up, you've also got a step change on top of that in terms of the supply-demand imbalance that has established itself, given the population growth dynamics in Calgary and Edmonton. So I mean, I guess, how should we think of your internal kind of regulation process over time with regards to where inflation is? I mean, in time, obviously, it has to come down to something closer to inflation. But-

Yeah.

Yeah, what's the thought there?

Yes, that is what our average in-place rents reflect: the correlation between Consumer Price Index and our average in-place rents are very correlated. And that absolutely is why we can't look at year-over-year in isolation and look at CPI last year versus rent growth last year. We've got to use that 8-9 year time period, Matt, because what the current year-over-year does not take into account are the discounts and the reduction in rents that took place several years ago, that many on our call will remember, and we certainly do, that we have to keep on reminding everybody that's new to the call or our residents that are listening in: we have to keep in mind the reductions in the discounts that were used, that we're making up over this period as well.

The relativity is everything, and especially the longer time horizon gives a more accurate picture of rent adjustments. That's why we always refer to the longer x-axis, 2015 to where we are now, and we're still behind.

And maybe a last question. I mean, we've talked about REITs being part of the solution on the new supply front. You've purchased some newer assets. It sounds like there are waiting lists already, essentially, for those properties. Do you see being part of more transactions like that within your core markets? And how do you think of just pricing those in the context of pro forma rents relative to the cost of construction?

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah, Matt, we certainly are looking for more opportunities like that. We, as you've seen, most of our acquisitions over the last few years have been that type of acquisition, where it is newer product, where, you know, Boardwalk can come in and we can provide our value by leasing up or, enhancing the NOI in those assets. And so those are definitely the type of assets that our team is looking for. Samantha, feel free to elaborate here. But, on the development front, we'll remain consistent as well. And as Samantha talked about earlier, we have a project, coming up, in our pipeline that we will look to progress with and contribute to, adding more housing into markets that need it the most in Canada.

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

If I could just add, in terms of the pro forma and the underwriting for development, we're very mindful of our approach to rents and where we want to be, and that all gets factored into our initial pro forma underwriting. You don't want to come out at the top end of the market, because that is really not the space we want to play in.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

And are you finding, I know we toured an asset that you purchased on lease up, you think there's material upside to the price that you've paid because you're taking a bit of the, the lease-up risk? Is CMHC ultimately giving credit for that? Because it's more on a income threshold in terms of the lending you can get, so you can actually extract more equity on financing that eventually, or how should we think about that?

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

You know, what we've seen, Matt, and what's presented this opportunity for us to, acquire newer builds and newer assets, is that, you know, for the most part, CMHC will finance, based on current incomes is what we're finding. And so, for groups such as ourselves, where, you know, we can, we can fund Elbow 5 Eight with cash or equity, and take on that risk, we're being rewarded with, what we're estimating is a stabilized cap rate of 5.75. At a time where, as you see in that transaction summary, you know, cap rates for that type of product certainly have a four handle on it.

And so, you know, even if you wanna call it 4.75 or 4.5, I mean, that's 125 or 150 basis points that we'll pick up through lease-up. And so those are the type of deals that we love. If we could find more and lots of those, we would do them all. And I know the team's hard at work, pounding the pavement, looking for those type of opportunities.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Fair enough. Appreciate the color, guys. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Dean Wilkinson from CIBC. Please go ahead.

Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Research, CIBC

Thanks. Morning, everybody. Last to best. Just following on Matt's, Matt's question there. How do you balance the acquisition metrics around looking at a newer asset that, say, has less CapEx, versus buying, say, an older asset that you could bring up to a Boardwalk standard and maybe have a little more of the near-term growth trajectory, given the Mark-to-Market differential? Just how, how do you think about that difference?

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Dean, it's Sam, and good to hear from you. You know, we're all in agreement that we focus in on the best acquisition value, and we are only looking for one acquisition, wherever it is. It's gotta be the best acquisition. And there's always, in the entire marketplace, one best acquisition or one best development. And we focus one at a time and prioritize the maximum total return and value creation on whichever acquisition we make, or development, by the way, that we make. So it's always about buying the best or building the best value community that we can see the most value creation, that we can sell down the road for more, and realize the maximum total return and free cash flow in our transactions.

Like some of the assets that we purchased that were newly developed in Edmonton, for example, that we're looking at pairing with some of our value add that we created exceptional value on, on value add. Pairing these communities has great appeal to buyers, and it has great total return and free cash flow that we've released as a result of these non-core dispositions that we're looking at. And of course, Dean, we're gonna be looking at value add in Edmonton or anywhere that we can create with our value add vertical design and in-house capital teams that have demonstrated exceptional capability in improving our communities from a before and after pictures that in our appendix again shows extreme makeovers.

So we've got exceptional opportunities in looking at older assets in our core markets and any market where we can create exceptional value in repositioning, especially repositioning exceptional location. That's really what we've learned, like our Canmore and Banff acquisitions, our university repositions, and our university new development in Brampton. Those are locations that decades prove they're the least cyclical locations, and there's always demand. We never really saw discounts in Banff, for example. And that's a, you know, perfect example of what we're looking for, is exceptional locations when we are looking at developments or buying anything brand new. Real special communities and value.

Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Research, CIBC

Well, that's great, Sam. 40 years on, and we're still learning it's all about location, location, location. Thank, thanks, everyone. Appreciate the color.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Price, price, price.

Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Research, CIBC

Price, price, price. Yeah. Thanks, everyone.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Dean.

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Thanks, Dean.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, and your last question comes from the line of Brad Sturges from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director of Real Estate & REITs and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Hi there. I'll keep it quick. Just one quick follow-up question. As you've identified, I guess some potential asset sales in Edmonton, how do you think about the transaction activity going forward? Are you looking to tie acquisition opportunities with dispositions going forward, or do you necessarily need line of sight on either buy side or sell side to transact at this point? Is it just more about the right opportunity and the right pricing going forward?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Hi, Brad. I think the answer is yes, to be honest with you. When the right opportunity comes along to sell out of a non-core asset, and the price is right, back to Sam's comment, we would take it. But ideally, we line that up with an accretive strategic acquisition as well, so the cash isn't sitting on the balance sheet for longer than absolutely necessary.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

You know, this is one of our differentiators as well, Brad, is having a super flexible balance sheet, right? We're retaining the most cash flow out there. We're growing that cash flow for reinvestments. We have a rapidly improving balance sheet, and to Samantha's point, we also have access to equity in the form of dispositions of non-core assets. And so it's all of the above, Brad. It'll depend on the opportunities that exist, but that should be no surprise either. We've been quite consistent in terms of, you know, paring non-core assets and redeploying that into new acquisitions each year over the last several years, you know, save for the last couple, where we've had some interest rate volatility.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director of Real Estate & REITs and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

I assume that the disposition program will be more of an ongoing program going forward. You know, is there anything beyond the Edmonton assets at this point, or is that sort of the near-term sort of focus of that sort of recycling program?

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

I would say that it's a near-term focus for sure of the recycling program.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director of Real Estate & REITs and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Sounds good. I'll turn it back.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Yeah, more asset-specific than it is market-

Samantha Adams
SVP of Investments, Boardwalk REIT

Yes, not market-specific, but asset-specific, and they happen to be in Edmonton at this time, yes.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director of Real Estate & REITs and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

This is more of an opportunistic program, I guess, is the way to think about it.

James Ha
President, Boardwalk REIT

Correct.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director of Real Estate & REITs and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Yep. Okay, thanks. I'll turn it back.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our question and answer session. I will now hand the call back to Mr. Sam Kolias for any closing remarks.

Sam Kolias
CEO, Boardwalk REIT

Thank you, Ina, as always. If there are any further questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact us. A big, huge thank you to Lisa Smandych for her 16 years of service, inspiration, and leadership. We are so blessed to have her in our Boardwalk Family Forever, and wish her well in her future. With gratitude, we would like to thank our extraordinary team, loyal residents, CMHC, our lenders, and of course, our unitholders. It really is all about our BFF, our Boardwalk Family Forever, whose huge shoulders we stand on. As leaders, we continue to do everything we can to support continued growth and extraordinary. We really can't thank our extraordinary team and great leaders enough. We are pleased with our improving results on a foundation of exceptional value, service, and experience we continue to provide our resident members, investors, and all stakeholders.

Home is where our heart is, our heart is where our family is, and our family is where love always lives. Welcome home to Love Always. Our future is family. What can be more important when choosing where to call home? Thank you again, everyone, for joining us this morning. God bless us, and now more than ever, grant us all peace. Peace is the prize.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.

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