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Earnings Call: Q4 2025

Feb 24, 2026

Operator

Welcome to the Dream Unlimited Corp Fourth Quarter 2025 Conference Call for Tuesday, February 24, 2026. During this call, management of Dream Unlimited Corp may make statements containing forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable securities legislation. Forward-looking information is based on a number of assumptions and is subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond Dream Unlimited Corp's control, that could cause actual results to differ materially from those that are disclosed in or implied by such forward-looking information. Additional information about these assumptions , risks, and uncertainties is contained in Dream Unlimited Corp's filings with securities regulators, including its latest Annual Information Form and MD&A. These filings are also available on Dream Unlimited Corp's website at www.dream.ca. Later in the presentation, we will have a question- and- answer session.

To join the question queue, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. Your host for today will be Mr. Michael Cooper, CRO of Dream Unlimited Corp. Mr. Cooper, please go ahead.

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

Thank you, operator. I'd like to thank everybody for joining our conference call. Today, I'm here, as always, with Meaghan Peloso, and I'm gonna turn it over to her in a second. A couple comments are that our fourth quarter was very strong, leading to a very strong year for 2025. Aside from the numbers being strong, there was a number of events that happened, I think we're gonna make 2026 an even stronger year. I think our company is more valuable as a result of the fourth quarter of 2024, and we're excited about the momentum coming into 2025. We're excited about the momentum going into 2026. Meaghan, do you wanna outline the quarter?

Meaghan Peloso
CFO, Dream Unlimited

Sure. Thanks, Michael. Hello, everyone. Overall, we had a very strong fourth quarter with two significant transactions completed in the period. Net earnings on a standalone basis in the quarter was CAD 56.2 million, compared to CAD 135.7 million in the prior year. Comparative results included a gain on sale of CAD 157 million related to A Basin, which was sold in November of last year. Quarter-over-quarter results are not directly comparable. I'll walk you through our segmented results, which represent our standalone activity only. In the fourth quarter, our asset management division generated revenue and net margin of CAD 61.5 million and CAD 52.9 million, respectively, up significantly from the comparative period. Included in our fourth quarter results was CAD 44.8 million from incentive fee income from DIR, resulting from the CPP joint venture transaction.

Subsequent to year-end, 75% of the incentive fee was paid in cash, with the remaining balance taken in units of the REIT. In the fourth quarter, Western Canada Development generated revenue and net margin of CAD 113.5 million and CAD 42.5 million, respectively. We achieved 438 lot sales, 204 acre sales, and 38 housing occupancies in the quarter, which included a 201 raw acre sale in Edmonton to a joint venture, which generated revenue and net margin of CAD 19.7 million and CAD 15.8 million, respectively. Adjusting for the JV, fluctuations in results period over period were really driven by the specific mix of lot and acre sales.

We continue to make steady progress on our land pre-sales commitments. As of February 20th, we've secured nearly CAD 150 million in lot and acre sales commitments that we expect to be recognized between 2026 and 2027, which is up by CAD 28 million from the last quarter, and great momentum for the land business entering 2026. In the fourth quarter, our income properties portfolio generated revenue and NOI of CAD 16.7 million and CAD 8.4 million, respectively. This compared to CAD 15.6 million and CAD 7.1 million in the comparative period. The increase in NOI relatives to last year was primarily due to lease-up activity across our completed apartments in Western Canada.

As of period end, we had nearly 1,100 multifamily units within the income property portfolio that are either stabilized or in lease-up, and a further 950 under construction that will be completed over the next 24 months, all of which will further support the NOI growth for the division. Our other investment segment generated CAD 11.1 million in revenue and CAD 5.3 million of negative net margin in the fourth quarter. Comparative results included earnings from condo sales, with no similar activity in the current year. We also realized certain costs to complete adjustments on closed projects in the quarter, which we would not expect to have period to period. Over the course of 2025, we spent just over CAD 8.9 million in share repurchases, which works out to about 2% of the flow.

We've been fairly active with our buybacks so far in 2026 and expect this to continue throughout the year, such that we expect to buy back at least twice as much this year compared to 2025. In 2025, we paid out CAD 27 million to shareholders, and with the fourth quarter results, are announcing that we are increasing the annual dividend from CAD 0.65 per share to CAD 0.70 per share. Lastly, we ended the quarter with ample liquidity of CAD 324 million, which is fairly consistent with where we were at the end of Q3. As of December 31st, we ended the period with CAD 215 million of debt maturity in 2026. This includes about CAD 60 million of debt that's actually auto-renewed in December of each year, so our real maturity figure is much lower.

We're in advanced discussions with our lenders for maturities over the first and second quarter. We'll provide updates over the course of the year. With that, I'll turn it back over to you, Michael.

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

Thank you, Meaghan. Over the last few years, we've been talking about the three major segments of the business: asset management, Western Canada Development, and income properties. As we've been speaking about them, I think that 2025 really brings into focus how much they're contributing. At the beginning of 2025, we announced a CAD 2 billion venture to buy apartments in Canada, value-add apartments. In the fourth quarter, we announced a new venture to buy CAD 3 billion worth of industrial with CPP. That's CAD 5 billion of new ventures, of which we've invested about CAD 1.1 billion on behalf of our clients. In addition to that, the Summit Venture continues to grow.

I think it added about half a billion last year. We've been successful pursuing some new opportunities in 2026 already. In addition, the REIT has a fair amount of capital, and it'll be growing more on its balance sheet this year than it has in others. Finally, through some of our construction and our other vehicles, we'll be growing the assets under management. It looks pretty healthy for asset management. I think we're going to continue to have incentive fees on an annual basis for some amount, and the base fees are growing, and transaction fees are growing. Asset management is starting to look the way we had hoped it would, and hopefully, we'll find other new clients in 2026.

For 2025, Western Canada was a little bit sloppy with. We didn't get all of the servicing from the cities that we needed to recognize sales. A bunch was pushed into 2026, which obviously will be good for 2026. We did have a joint venture, which was good. I think that we're seeing a little bit less volume from ultimate purchasers of houses the last, you know, 4 to 6 months, and we're hoping to see that improve as the spring comes. In any event, Western Canada, we've got Coopertown approved. Homewood is coming. It's not done yet. 2026 should be a good year, but it's really going to start in 2027 when we've got Homewood all approved and all of our projects.

Alpine Park has been going well. We have a tremendous number of pre-sales there for parcel sale. I think we're really starting to get some momentum. I'll get into a little bit later, but in Western Canada, we've got quite a few income properties that we've built over the last few years, again, since 2020, and we got a lot under construction that's finishing up soon. We've done really well in Western Canada, leasing up the income properties, and we're pretty confident that as we deliver the units over the next 24 months, we'll continue to grow our income. Our income properties, it's interesting. We're just under CAD 1 billion of assets, and we'll probably get to CAD 1.4 billion in the next couple of years.

That's a 40% increase that's gonna drive a lot of growth. We are seeing in Ontario that the rental rates aren't where we'd like them to be. There's been so many condos developed, and we're competing with them on rent. I think the numbers are, there were 80,000 condo transactions in Ontario, 15,000 sales last year, and 65,000 rental. There's a tremendous volume of rentals going on, and as the condos slow, we expect to see a lot more strength in pricing on the apartment rentals. Having said all of that, we hit 95% in our Toronto buildings this year, including Maple House and Pine House. Block 347, we're now in leasing, and that's going pretty good too.

We're getting the volume of leasing, and we're just hoping to see the rates tighten up a bit. Meaghan and team put together a supplemental information package. I want to point out two slides. On page 4, we have revenue from our asset management business, and it's gone from CAD 38 million in 2022 to CAD 100 million in 2025, increasing every year with a big incentive fee in 2025. It'll be hard to beat that in 2026, but we're highly confident we're going to beat all the base and transaction fees and get some incentive fees. Hopefully, we'll get pretty close. The other slide I thought was interesting was if we go to page 10, it's income properties.

Similar pattern of increasing net operating income from income properties every year for the last few years, and especially that we really had no apartments in 2020. It just starts in 2021. It's getting pretty big. If you take a look on page 8 in income properties, it's the pipeline that Meaghan was talking about. On it, there's just over 100 apartment units that are finishing up in 2026. They're going very well, and we expect to have good leasing on it. We've also got our retail center in Alpine Park, and it's well leased and coming online, so we're excited about that.

In 2027, we're looking at having over 800 units contributed at our share, contributed to our apartments, plus another 46,000 sq ft of retail. I think that 2026, we're going to see a significant increase in our net operating income from income properties, but there's going to be a big increase in 2027 and then another big increase in 2028, as we stabilize all the buildings that come on in 2027 and add some new ones. I think that's very exciting. In other, the category other, we've had some pretty big accomplishments. We've mentioned this a few times. It's probably been a year we've been talking about 49 Ontario Street and going through all the steps, and it might sound boring, but we're very pleased that, as of January fifth.

We had the first draw on a CAD 600 million loan. We're well under construction. We brought in a 10% partner, and we're off to the races on that development. Just like Ontario Place , now we're starting to talk a lot more about Quayside. On Friday, we had the closing of a restructuring, where we split the Quayside into condo lands and apartment lands. Instead of the Dream Group owning half of each, as of Friday, the Dream Group owns 100% of the apartments, and our partner owns 100% of the condo units. As a result of that, we're able to proceed with CMHC to complete the commitment for the funding for the development. We're part of the City of Toronto and Waterfront Toronto.

We've got some work to go there, but it looks like we're in really good shape to be able to start that development prior to the end of the year. That's a major development for income trusts and income funds. Our hotels have been doing pretty well this year. The stocks have been doing okay. Overall, we feel that the company is in very good shape. Aside from having decent earnings, we're definitely building for the future, where each of our major groups has momentum to grow earnings for 2026, 2027, and 2028. That's basically my comments. We'd be happy to answer any questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question- and- answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. Your first question comes from Sam Damiani with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst - Real Estate, TD Cowen

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and congratulations on the great finish to the year and start to 26. F irstly, just on asset management, Michael, it was last quarter, you said you had good visibility on CAD 2 billion of AUM growth, but a month later, you announced the deal with the CPP, with Dream Industrial. Just wondering if you were to update that statement today, would you change it?

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

Firstly , I appreciate you commenting on my credibility in putting out a statement and being able to prove it. I hope that puts us in good standing for all our calls.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst - Real Estate, TD Cowen

It does.

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

I mentioned that we have a fair amount of dry powder, and we can see how we're going to grow the assets with existing deals. You know what? It's Canada is more in favor, and we're seeing more interest from both foreign investors and locals. We're feeling more confident at this time of year than we did last year for the deals we've done. I wouldn't be surprised if we get one or two more going in 2026. It's very positive, no, we don't have the visibility, like we're going to announce something next month.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst - Real Estate, TD Cowen

I guess I wasn't trying to lead you there, but okay, I appreciate that. Just in Western Canada, the lot sales were up about 10% year-over-year. Was there any pull forward from 2026 into 2025? Those 681 lots were a pretty high number in recent years. D o you expect to potentially repeat that in 2026?

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

No, we didn't have a pull forward. We had a push-out . We actually have a bunch of lots that we thought were going to sell in 2025, but because of the servicing, we won't recognize them until the first and third quarters of 2026.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst - Real Estate, TD Cowen

Okay. All right. T hat slide you mentioned, in your comments, was slide 10, with the cadence of departments coming online over the next few years. Really interesting. T he NOI contribution by multifamily is a little less than 50% still. Do you think apartments will contribute over half of total NOI in 2026, or might that, be till 2027?

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

100% by 2027. 2026, I'm not sure. W e're adding the 60,000 sq ft. I'm not sure. A lot of the ones that had finished will produce more in '26 than '25, it will be close, but definitely in 2027.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst - Real Estate, TD Cowen

Okay, great. That's it for me. Thank you.

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

Thank you.

Operator

Once again, if you have a question, it is star one. Your next question will come from Ian Gillespie, a private investor. Your line is open.

Ian Gillespie
Shareholder, Private Investor

Good afternoon, Michael. Just one quick question about Quayside and the reorganization. Does that mean, having split it, Dream Impact is up to 25% on 6 acres? Is that how it works?

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

Yes. That's 25%. I don't want to talk too much about acreage because it's a complicated partnership, where some of that land will have affordable housing on it that we don't own. Yes, 25% of the 1,200 units will be owned by Impact Trust and 900 by a private fund.

Ian Gillespie
Shareholder, Private Investor

Okay, thank you. That's everything.

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Cooper for any closing remarks.

Michael Cooper
President and Chief Responsible Officer, Dream Unlimited

My only closing remarks are thank you for tuning in, and Meaghan and I, as always, are available to answer any further questions you might have.

Operator

This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

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