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Earnings Call: Q1 2024

May 9, 2024

Operator

Good morning. My name is Madison, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Granite REIT's First Quarter 2024 Results Conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star two. Thank you. Speaking to you on this call this morning is Kevan Gorrie, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Teresa Neto, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Teresa Neto to go over certain advisories.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

Thank you, Madison. Good morning, everyone. Before we begin today's call, I would like to remind you that statements and information made in today's discussion may constitute forward-looking statements and forward-looking information, and that actual results could differ materially from any conclusion, forecast, or projection. These statements and information are based on certain material factor assumptions, reflect management's current expectations, and are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from forward-looking statements or information. These risks and uncertainties and material factors and assumptions applied in making forward-looking statements or information are discussed in Granite's materials filed with the Canadian Securities Administrators and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time, including the risk factor section of its Annual Information Form for 2023 and Granite's Management's Discussion and Analysis for the year-ended December 31, 2023, filed on February 28, 2024.

As usual, I will commence the call with financial highlights and then turn it over to Kevan, who will follow with operational updates. Granite posted Q1 2024 results ahead of Q4, supported by strong NOI growth, partially offset by some higher interest expense and higher current taxes. FFO per unit in Q1 was $1.30, representing a $0.03 or 2.4% increase from Q4 2023 and a $0.05 or 4% increase relative to the same quarter in the prior year. The growth in NOI this quarter is primarily derived from the lease commencement at Granite's newly developed property in Brantford, Ontario, along with strong same-property NOI growth enhanced by double-digit leasing spreads in Canada and Austria. NOI growth was negatively impacted slightly by foreign exchange as the U.S. dollar and euro were 1% and 0.1% weaker, respectively, in comparison to Q4.

AFFO per unit in Q1 was $ 1.22, which is $ 0.07 higher relative to Q4 and $ 0.04 higher relative to the same quarter last year, with the variances mostly tied to FFO growth and lower capital expenditures, leasing costs, and tenant allowances incurred due to timing of leasing turnover and seasonality. AFFO-related capital expenditures, leasing costs, and tenant allowances incurred in the quarter totaled $ 1.4 million, which is a decrease of $ 4.6 million and $ 0.3 million over Q4 and Q1 2023, respectively.

For 2024, as noted in our outlook disclosure, we are expecting maintenance CapEx, leasing costs, and tenants' allowances to come in at approximately $ 28 million, with part of the upward increase tied to the timing of leasing and capital expenditures planned last year that were delayed into 2024. In 2023, we had estimated capital expenditures of $ 25 million, but actuals came in lighter at approximately $ 18 million.

Same-property NOI for Q1 2024 was strong relative to the same quarter last year, increasing by 4.9% on a constant currency basis and up 5.1% when foreign currency effects are included. Same-property NOI growth was driven primarily by CPI adjustments, positive leasing spreads, contractual rent increases across all of Granite's regions, lease renewals in the U.S., Canada, and Austria, and includes the impact of a completed development in Tennessee, which had free rent periods in the prior year, partially offset by vacancy at certain properties in the U.S. For 2024, we continue to expect constant currency same-property NOI, based on a four-quarter average, to be within the range of 7%-8%. G&A for the quarter was $ 9.7 million, which was $ 5 million lower than the same quarter last year and $ 0.3 million higher than Q4.

The main variance relative to the prior year quarter is the change in non-cash compensation liabilities, which generated a favorable $ 5.7 million swing relative to the same quarter last year. These fair value adjustments do not impact our FFO and AFFO metrics. Stripping out the fair value adjustments, G&A expenses that impact FFO and AFFO were approximately $ 0.3 million higher than Q4, which is mostly related to salary increases effective at the beginning of the year and the timing of expenses. For 2024, we continue to expect G&A expenses of approximately $ 10 million per quarter or roughly 7% of revenues, excluding any amounts for fair value adjustments and corporate restructuring costs relating to the uncoupling of Granite's stapled unit structure. Interest expense was lower in Q1 2024 relative to Q4 by $ 1.3 million, while interest income decreased by $ 3.1 million as compared to Q4.

The decrease in interest expense was primarily due to the elimination of double interest costs related to carrying both the 2023 debentures and 2029 debentures for a six-week period in Q4. The decrease in interest income was a result of the interest income earned in Q4 from the investment of the net proceeds of the 2029 debentures during the same six-week period last year. Therefore, on a net basis relative to Q4, net interest costs increased by $ 1.8 million, which really represents the full quarter effect of the higher-cost 2029 debentures. Granite's weighted average cost of debt is currently 2.6%. For 2024, given that we have no debt maturing until December, our interest expense run rate is expected to remain at current levels of approximately $ 21.5 million per quarter, which will be offset by some interest income of approximately $ 1.5 million per quarter.

For income tax, Q1, current income tax was $ 2.5 million, which is $ 0.2 million higher than the prior year and $ 2.4 million higher as compared to Q4. In Q4, we recognized the reversal of tax provisions of $ 1.8 million that were not present in Q1. The majority of the remaining increase is a direct result of the higher revenues and the burn-off of TI amortization expense in Austria relating to the Graz lease renewal, which commenced on February 1st, increasing taxable income in that region. For 2024, we are expecting current income taxes to remain at current levels of approximately $ 2.5 million per quarter. Looking out to our 2024 estimates, FFO per unit, our guidance remains unchanged from last quarter and remains in the range of $ 5.30-$ 4.45, representing approximately a 7%-10% increase over 2023.

For AFFO per unit, we are adjusting downward our forecast by $ 0.05 to a range of $ 4.60-$ 4.75, representing an increase of 2%-6% versus 2023. The downward adjustment is reflective of the higher maintenance CapEx and leasing commissions and tenant allowances mentioned earlier. We have not made any changes to our FX rate assumptions from last quarter. Granite will provide updates to its guidance each quarter as warranted based on leasing activity executed to date. Granite's balance sheet, comprising total assets of $ 9.2 billion at the end of the quarter, was positively impacted by approximately $ 13 million of fair value gain on Granite's investment property portfolio in the first quarter and was further enhanced by $ 117 million of translation gains on Granite's foreign-based investment properties, primarily due to the 2% increase in the spot USD exchange rate relative to Q4.

The fair value gains on Granite's investment property portfolio was primarily attributable to the stabilization of the development property in Brantford, Canada, which was completed and transferred to income-producing properties during the first quarter, partially offset by the expansion in discount and terminal capitalization rates across very selective Granite assets due to market conditions. The trust's overall weighted average cap rate of 5.2% on in-place NOI increased only two basis points from the end of Q4 and has increased 25 basis points since the same quarter last year. Our net leverage as at the end of the quarter was 32%, and debt to EBITDA was 7.2 times, which is slightly lower relative to Q4 and lower than Q1 as a result of the NOI growth, including the completion and stabilization of the majority of Granite's development properties.

Our current liquidity is approximately $ 1.1 million, representing cash on hand of $ 130 million and the undrawn operating line of $ 997 million. As of today, Granite has no borrowings under the credit facility, and there are $ 2.8 million in letters of credit outstanding. As noted in our disclosures on March 27th, Granite extended its credit facility for a new 5-year term to March 31, 2029. Finally, subsequent to the quarter, Granite repurchased 375,600 stapled units under its NCIB at an average price of $ 69.39 for total proceeds of $ 26.1 million, excluding commissions. I'll now turn over the call to Kevan.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Thanks, Teresa. I'm joined by Michael Ramparas and Lorne Kumer, as usual, but Lorne's on the phone this time, calling in from the U.S. Certainly an in line and strong quarter as NOI growth of $ 4.5 million over Q4 more than offset the increase in interest expense, as Teresa mentioned, resulting in a healthy 4.8% increase in FFO per unit over Q4 when excluding the reversal of the tax provision in that quarter. As Teresa mentioned, we lowered our AFFO guidance by $ 0.05 to adjust for additional CapEx that was originally budgeted to occur in 2023, but we are reiterating our full-year guidance for FFO per unit and same-property NOI growth. I'll begin with a brief update on our current development pipeline. As stated in our MD&A, our 409,000 sq ft build-to-suit project for Barry Callebaut moved to IPP in the quarter.

Our 50,000 sq ft expansion in Ajax remains on schedule for substantial completion by or near the end of the second quarter. Similarly, the 52,000 sq ft expansion of our property in Weert, the Netherlands, remains on schedule to date for substantial completion in the fourth quarter. As a reminder, all projects are expected to achieve certification in accordance with our published Green Bond Framework. In addition to the projects just discussed, we have roughly 160 acres of land remaining for development in Brantford, Houston, and Columbus, which could accommodate up to 2.4 million sq ft of space once constructed. As outlined in our press release and MD&A, the team achieved an average increase in rental rate of 10% on renewals for roughly 6.4 million sq ft of leases that expired in the quarter, driven predominantly by the Graz renewal increase.

I did want to say, just based on comments that we've received regarding renewal increases moderating, just to point out that renewal increases in each quarter will fluctuate, and they can fluctuate quite significantly. So I wanted to emphasize, the team also executed 1.3 million sq ft, 1.36 million sq ft of renewals in the quarter associated with leases which were due to expire later in 2024 and 2025 at an average increase in rental rate of 35%. So you will see those increases flow through in future quarters. With respect to our 2024 maturities, we have now renewed 7.8 million or 79% of our 9.8 million sq ft of maturity at an average rate increase of approximately 16%, a gain muted by the Graz renewal. As stated on our last call, we expect to renew 85%-90% of our 2024 expiry.

As Teresa mentioned earlier, same-property NOI increased by 4.9% in the quarter on a constant currency basis, slightly above Q4 and in line with expectations for the quarter. NOI was positive across all of our geographies on a constant currency basis, led by Canada at 11.3%, driven by renewal increases. Same-property NOI across our U.S. portfolio posted an increase of 3.2% down from Q4 as a result of vacancy and partially offset by strong renewal spreads. Of note, Austria finally carried some of the load and posted a modest 3.6% increase by virtue of the Graz renewal. As you can see from our disclosure, we adjusted cap rates and market rents nominally in the quarter based on appraisal and relevant transaction data at our disposal. And excluding the 2.5% strengthening of the U.S.

dollar from December 31st to March 31st, the increase in IFRS value was driven primarily, as Teresa mentioned, from the stabilization of our Brantford development. As for a general market update, leasing activity continued to be slow in the first quarter as higher interest rates and economic uncertainty continued to impact tenant activity broadly across the sector. On a comparative basis, our markets once again represented the majority of the top markets in the U.S. for net absorption, totaling roughly 21 million sq ft for the quarter, which was similar to Q4, and representing well over half of the total U.S. absorption in a quarter, led once again by Dallas, Chicago, Houston, and Atlanta. Our portfolio markets, which experienced negative net absorption, included Cincinnati, Memphis, Indianapolis, and Columbus, but all with less than 500,000 sq ft in total.

The GTA at -2 million sq ft, once again, our worst performing market for net absorption. As for rental rates, Nashville, Atlanta, and Columbus all saw positive rent growth over Q4, while rental rates fell 1% amd 2% from Q4 across our remaining markets. We do not have relevant Q1 market data for our European markets yet, but our view at this time would be that the current pace of leasing activity in Germany and the Netherlands would be comparable to our North American markets, but that rent growth continues overall to be positive. It is probably worth noting at this point that we have renewed just under 90% of the 950,000 sq ft of 2025 expiring leases in Europe.

The team also executed 300,000 sq ft of new leases in the first quarter on our development properties in Houston, Nashville, and Ajax at rates which slightly exceeded budget for 2024, but also notably represented an increase of roughly 40% over our development pro forma. As Teresa mentioned, and I do feel like I'm repeating myself here, we opportunistically utilized available cash on hand to purchase roughly 375,000 units at an average price of $ 69.39. As you know, unit buybacks are not our first choice for capital allocation, but we won't hesitate to capitalize when the unit price is that far below NAV and we have sufficient cash on hand. In closing, our results were in line with expectations. NOI and cash NOI increased once again this quarter, and our liquidity position remained very strong at roughly $ 1.1 billion in cash and available credit.

I think it's worth noting as well, our NOI has increased over 12 consecutive quarters at an average growth rate of 3.3% per quarter and almost 14% annually over that three-year period. Addressing our current availabilities and remaining 2024 maturities and preserving capital for future strategic opportunities remain our highest priorities. We remain well positioned to deliver attractive NOI, FFO, and AFFO growth once again in 2024. Before I open up the call for questions, I'd like to ask Mike Ramparas to provide an update for you and our views on the investment market.

Mike Ramparas
EVP of Global Real Estate and Head of Investments, Granite REIT

Thank you, Kevan, and good morning, everyone. With the macroeconomic uncertainty and the preceding rising rate environment, occupiers and investors alike have approached industrial and warehouse property deals with more scrutiny and caution, which has impacted leasing and investment volumes and activities. For the past 16 months, we have seen pricing contract across our markets to varying magnitudes dependent on factors such as market dynamics, asset quality, and embedded rental growth. More recently, we have been encouraged as there has been an increased demand and, in fact, are seeing some deals in the market achieve strong pricing, especially for high-quality assets with near-term mark-to-market rent opportunities or which are priced at attractive discounts to replacement costs. These deals are seeing deep, deep bidder lists at times in excess of 20 groups, which implies a significant amount of opportunistic capital in the market looking for quality deals.

The buyer pool remains largely private capital such as closed-end institutional funds, private equity, sovereigns, high-net-worth privates, and conversely, many of the REITs, open-ended funds, and generally leveraged buyers have been quiet due to higher weighted average cost capital. Our team continues to underwrite and have reasonably pursued select opportunities in our target markets. Some fundamental themes have emerged recently, being increased focus on yields and buyer shying away from longer-term negative leverage trades. Groups are rightfully looking to see more positive returns sooner rather than later. In terms of deal size, we continue to see small to mid-sized deals having the most volume and liquidity in the marketplace. We also are encouraged on the debt side as we are starting to see debt liquidity reemerge from namely life companies and more recently bank lenders participating in capital stack on institutional quality assets and borrowers.

If this trend continues and the availability of debt improves, it will likely bode well for the investment market and pricing. As we look forward to the balance of the year on the investment side, we will continue to focus on opportunities that will complement our current portfolio of high-quality assets and remain prepared to transact on the right deal. In the case of weakening fundamentals, we will also look to capitalize on any disruption or pricing arbitrages that may arise. With that, I'll pass it back to Kevan.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Thanks, Mike. So, operator, at this point, we'll open up the floor for questions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Sam Damiani with TD Cowen.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Cowen

Thank you and good morning, everyone. First off, just wanted maybe to continue on the topic that Mike was just discussing. I guess just I guess the question really is, with the transaction market starting to percolate, others are starting to deploy capital, what is it Granite is waiting for in order to sort of participate? Is there a different sort of macro view that you're expecting over the next year or two versus some of these players? I'm just wondering where you guys are thinking in terms of when to pull the trigger and how.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Well, I'll start and certainly invite Mike to build on whatever comments he has. I think we have to be aware of our capital situation, Sam, to be honest with you. Like we've said, if there's something that's truly compelling, an opportunity in our target markets, I don't think we would hesitate to transact on it. And we would figure out a way to whether it's selling assets, we would figure that out. But we haven't seen anything that's really that compelling. And again, I'll ask Mike to provide his comments on that specifically. But we also have to be aware that we have cash on hand. We have development commitments. I don't think we're interested in taking on a significant amount of additional debt because of bolt-on acquisitions. So there are constraints there from a financial perspective that we have to be aware of.

Mike, anything you want to say on the markets and the opportunity?

Mike Ramparas
EVP of Global Real Estate and Head of Investments, Granite REIT

No. Like I said in my commentary, we are pursuing select opportunities. Again, as it happens, the deals we find very attractive, a lot of other players do as well too. So at the pricing that we would be looking to transact, the opportunities aren't there at the moment. I think, further to Kevan's point, preservation of our capital situation is always paramount with us.

Hope that answers the question, Sam.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Cowen

It does. Thank you. And the other question I wanted to ask, and then I'll turn it back, is just on the very modest tweak to the same property NOI growth guidance. I guess I'm kind of curious why you kind of bothered to do that. It seems like such a small thing. But is it mostly related to just delays on the leasing that you referred to in your opening comments, or is some of it also related to the rents that you expect to realize on that lease-up?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

No, not rents, just timing of the lease-up. And it's a good question. We actually discussed it internally whether it was worth doing that. We just felt we didn't think it would be that big a deal, to be honest, Sam. But we thought it was worth just pointing out that we've extended the estimated lease-up of a couple of our availabilities and tweaked it a little bit. But no, no impact on rental rate that we've seen yet.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. And I think last quarter, you gave a range of targeted occupancy in the portfolio for the end of the year. How much has that differed today?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

It has not. And again, I think with respect to occupancy particularly, I think it's early. Was to tweak it. So we have 1.9 million, let's take Utrecht out of it because we have, I think, 150,000 short-term leases that continually roll there. So taking that out of it, we have roughly 1.9 million of expiries remaining. We expect to lease up probably around 1 million-1.2 million of that. So we would expect to see 700,000-800,000 sq ft of space come back to us. We are 95.4% occupied and committed. So overall, that would require us to complete another 1.3-1.5 million sq ft of leases before the end of the year. And we think that that's entirely achievable. Now, is it a certainty? Absolutely not. But we think that it's achievable, and it's within our expectations.

For now, we don't see a need based on the activity that we're seeing within our portfolio and a bit of a pickup of the activity we're seeing overall in the markets, in our markets in particular, that it's necessary to move that guidance for occupancy.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Cowen

Thank you. I'll turn it back. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Mike Markidis with BMO.

Mike Markidis
Managing Director, BMO

Thank you. Kevan, just a quick one for me. I guess you had pointed out, and I agree with your point, one quarter doesn't make a trend on leasing spreads. But you pointed out, I think, during the quarter, there was 1.36 million sq ft of leases, I guess, for expiries in late 2024 and 2025 that were done at an average rate of 35%. Is that all? How do we read that? Because I'm just looking at your lease maturity schedule in your MD&A, and I see that your commitment rate for 2024 went up. I guess you're at 700,000 sq ft there, but I don't see anything in 2025. So is that sort of also including subsequent quarter activity that's maybe not reflected?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

No, the one in it was done in the quarter. It was the large one in the Netherlands. It should be in there for 2025.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

It depends, although if it didn't roll this quarter, it may not be showing. But I have to look at the specifically what we're looking at.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Yeah. So there was a large one in the Netherlands. There was two in the U.S., and there was one in the GTA in that.

Mike Markidis
Managing Director, BMO

Oh, okay. Yeah. So I guess some of that maybe isn't being reflected. Okay, that's fine. I can circle back offline on that. And just to confirm, the 35%, that's not, is that just a pure renewal number, or does that include the new leasing that you would have done? Because there's 273,000 at commitments on vacant space that you do show.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

No, that's the pure renewal. Those are four renewals. Yeah. Yeah. And not to confuse it, Mike, we've talked about this before. You're talking about renewals. You actually execute in the quarter. You're talking about renewals related to expiries in that quarter. So in the press release, we try and keep it really straightforward. It's just renewals that are expiring in that quarter. So I almost hesitate to talk about renewals that we're doing that relate to future expiries. But I just wanted to make that point because we did receive some comments asking why the renewal increases were falling. And everyone understands that gross at 10% will impact that number within this quarter. But I just wanted to make that point and emphasize that there will be a fluctuation in the renewal increases, obviously, from quarter to quarter. And it can be quite significant, as you know.

Mike Markidis
Managing Director, BMO

Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm not sure the hesitancy. Maybe I'm missing something. But I think going forward, it'd be useful to talk about both, the lease assigned and then leases that commenced. I think that'd be really helpful.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Right. Right.

Mike Markidis
Managing Director, BMO

That's it for me. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next question from Kyle Stanley with Desjardins Securities.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. It was encouraging that the outlook really didn't change too materially since we last spoke, especially just given some of the commentary out of your U.S. peers earlier this earnings season. Just curious, if you take a step back, high level, what are you seeing from a supply-demand perspective in your portfolio's specific geographies that gives you that comfort in the outlook and is maybe differing from what some of your peers may have disclosed?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Well, I think, first of all, some of the commentary we've heard out of the U.S. REITs for the first quarter is consistent with what I've been saying for three quarters, a slowdown on leasing activity. So I don't listen to all the calls in on those specifically, but just reading some of the commentary, I think we've been very straightforward about what we've been seeing in the markets for a number of quarters. So when we went into 2024, I think we were quite realistic with our expectations on the leasing side. I won't use the word conservative because we've tweaked some of the timing. But I think that we were more realistic than some on what we were expecting for 2024.

Why I remain confident that we can execute on 1.2 million to 1.3 million to 1.5 million of leasing is just based on activity that we're seeing within our portfolio. Again, there's no certainty about it, but we're responding to RFPs or we're moving paper. We're in discussions in roughly 1.2 million sq ft of space within our portfolio. And again, I'm not saying that that will be executed. Certainly, all of those won't be executed. But the point is, we are seeing decent activity and even on our big stuff, on our big availabilities. So it's very much, I think, within our expectations that we'll see future leasing activity this year in 2024.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Okay. Great. Thank you for that. Maybe two just quick questions. Teresa, I think you mentioned some potential costs on the kind of the restructuring side. Just wondering if you have an idea of what that might be and the timing of that flowing through.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

It's going to be hard to estimate because it's really all legal time. But the heavy loads are going to happen in Q3, for sure. Q2, Q3 will be probably our more significant amounts. I don't know. We're kind of estimating maybe $ 1.5 million-$ 2 million. And then so Q2, Q3, Q4, but I'd say Q3 probably the heaviest quarter.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

That's non-FFO.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

Yeah. But we'll be stripping that out, as you see, in the FFO schedule, right? Yeah.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. And then the last question, just on the Brantford delivery this quarter, I'm just wondering on timing of the delivery and maybe how much NOI was generated this quarter just for modeling purposes going forward.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

I think we've got NOI at $ 7.7 million annually.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

I've not got that.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Annually.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

Annually. Annually. Yes, yes, yes.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Yeah. Hopefully, that helps. I think it's $ 7.7 million annually.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Okay. Thank you very much.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

By the way, after this, if Teresa finds that I'm wrong, which I'm wrong.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

Oh, sorry.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Is that what?

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

Oh, it's fine.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Okay. We'll clear it up if I'm wrong.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins

Okay. No problem. Thank you very much. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Brad Sturges with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director, Raymond James

Hey. Good morning. Just wanted to follow up on the acquisition commentary. I think last call, Kevan, you talked about maybe the potential for some distress opportunities to arise in the coming months. Just curious to get updated thoughts on whether that's something you still think could be the case and kind of what you're seeing from that perspective today.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

I mean, we keep talking about it. I think we still expect to see some level of distress. I think every quarter we go through, I think our hopes of finding that unicorn are falling, to be honest with you. And I did hear commentary from a U.S. industrial REIT saying that they had gotten a number of calls about distressed development deals. Those are certainly on our radar. I don't think we have seen it. Not that they haven't. They probably have seen things that we haven't seen. But I think, yeah, we still expect to see opportunities out there through distress. We have not seen anything that's really compelling yet to date on that breadth.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director, Raymond James

Okay. So I guess near-term capital allocation, if you're deploying capital, it sounds like, just given where the stock price is, NCIB is probably going to be at least a use of some cash proceeds in the short run.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Yeah. In the short term, I don't think that we'll be that busy on the acquisition side.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director, Raymond James

Yep.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

At least in the first half of the year.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director, Raymond James

Yep. And maybe just one last one, just on the leasing side of things, in terms of your broader discussions and particularly with existing tenants in the portfolio, is how's the appetite for expansion opportunities within the portfolio? Are you seeing any improvement or indicators that that's starting to tick up?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

I don't know if it's ticked up, but I don't know if it's ticked down either. I think we're in discussions with a few tenants on potential expansions. Again, I think they're taking longer to explore their options and make financial commitments. So we're in discussions with them one in the U.S. on an expansion, and we're in discussions with one in the GTA, and we're in discussions with one in Europe. And that, I think, has been pretty steady over the years in our portfolio. So I don't think that it has ticked up. I don't think it has ticked down.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director, Raymond James

Okay. That's helpful. I'll turn it back. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Himanshu Gupta with Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Himanshu Gupta
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Thank you and good morning. So just on the Indianapolis, the A1 property under lease-up, what kind of response do you have received so far? And I mean, is there a lot of product you are competing with, or leasing demand is a bit less in that size of category?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

No, I think the first or maybe it was the fourth quarter. I think we saw more activity on the smaller one than the larger one. I'd say most recently, we've got more activity on the larger one. We are responding to RFPs. And I don't want to provide too much detail, but I think the sort of modern characteristics of our building and location has put us on a few lists that many others aren't on. So we seem to be captured by all RFPs by virtue of the location and just the characteristics of the building. So that's the way I would characterize it. Right now, as we sit here today, there's more activity on the larger building than there is in the smaller one.

Himanshu Gupta
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay. And then looking at the activity, I mean, it looks like progress was done on Nashville and Houston. Do you think the next will be Indianapolis or maybe Memphis or Louisville?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

I mean, that's tough. I definitely would agree. I think we've got more activity in Houston and Nashville. I would probably put Indy after that and then Louisville and Memphis or Memphis and Louisville. So shades of gray, to a degree. But you're right. I think Houston and Nashville, there continues to be a lot of activity in those markets. In general, I think they are stronger markets. In Indy, we are seeing more activity in the larger building, which is encouraging to us and e-commerce users. And then Louisville and Memphis behind that. Not to say they're bad. I mean, the net absorption continues to be positive, I think, but not as strong as the other markets.

Himanshu Gupta
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. And would you say Memphis is probably the toughest market in your portfolio right now?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

I don't know. I mean, 600,000 sq ft of vacancy. We're in discussions on 300,000 of it right now. I don't think. I wouldn't use the word tough.

Himanshu Gupta
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay. Okay. Fair enough. And then the broader comments around the leasing activity pickup in the U.S., do you still think we will see a second-half recovery, or is it getting even pushed out? And any.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Yeah. I don't know if I said it would be a 2024 recovery. I think we feel it's a 2025 recovery. I think 2024 is going to remain competitive through the year would be my estimation.

Himanshu Gupta
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

In that case, the peak vacancy is more likely to be back half the year, probably early next year in that case.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Yeah. Yeah. Agreed.

Himanshu Gupta
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay. Fair enough. And maybe just one last question I had. Yes, on the valuation. And I know you have already provided some comments. Any specific comments related to the cap rates you're seeing in your U.S. portfolio? What kind of cap rates are we talking, like sixes, fives, or even high sixes? Any comment there?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

No. I mean, I think you see our overall cap rate. It depends on the product. I think everyone saw recently the deal involved with DRA, and I'll provide a few comments on that with respect to our valuations. And Mike is closer to it than I am. But you have a significant-sized portfolio and a significant deal with Brookfield being the buyer at $89 or $90 a foot on average. But these are older assets, and I don't think they're comparable in terms of quality to our portfolio. I don't think anyone would say that. And also, the one thing that struck us, I think everyone we've spoken to was quite surprised that the deal wasn't broken up. That was transacted as a single portfolio, and you would have to.

I mean, I think everyone would agree a portfolio discount somewhere around 5% would probably apply to that because it was taken down as a single portfolio in as many geographies as there were. So I think the pricing that we saw, and I've seen a six-cap thrown around, I think would be supportive of where our cap rate is for our assets in those markets. And I think the final thing I would say, and it made us actually look at it a little bit too, one of the things that it doesn't sound like there's a big impact, but there's a couple of assets in our portfolio that can skew the per sq ft. And one of them that jumps to mind for me is the Carvana site in South Dallas that we own. And that's a 200,000 sq ft building on a 180-acre site.

The price per sq ft is very high at 315 or 320 per sq ft. That skews our per sq ft number. It doesn't reflect the average price that we have, which is well below $90 for our portfolio in the U.S. I hope that answers the question on cap rates, but I do think there's discussion around this DRA transaction, which I think fully supports our IFRS values in the U.S.

Himanshu Gupta
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

No. Thanks, Kevan. That was very helpful. And clearly agree that the DRA Brookfield transaction kind of good read too for your valuation as well. So yeah, I'll turn it back. Thanks for that.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Matt Kornack with National Bank Financial. Your line is open.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Hey, guys. Just looking at your free cash flow profile, you actually are adding to your cash balance pretty much every quarter between now and the end of our forecast period. Should we expect that you continue to kind of pick away on the NCIB? I mean, you don't have any debt maturities, but nothing drawn on the facility, so you can't necessarily pay down debt immediately. Or should we just expect that your cash balance is going to kind of continue to move higher?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Want to talk about this?

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

Well, we definitely did pick away at it. Obviously, we used up $ 26 million. So assuming if our unit price obviously falls, as Kevan mentioned, below levels that are so significantly below NAV, we will pick away with free cash flow. But the reality is it builds slowly every month. So yes, we do have some capacity to continue to do that, but not on a large scale. And then, yeah, we'll accumulate some more cash, and then we can apply some of that to the end of the year when our term loan matures. So I think that's kind of how we see it running through the rest of the year.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. Fair enough.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

In the meantime, any excess, we'll invest, right? We'll invest it above 5%.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Right. And Kevan, would you entertain for some of the projects that you already have kind of in process developing at this point, or are you holding off until market demand returns, I guess?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Yeah. I think on a speculative basis, there's nothing that we're looking at doing. I know in the MD&A and I think we actually combined land held for development. Now it's all properties under development. We are moving through the application and approval process for Brantford and maybe Houston. The point is not to move ahead on a speculative basis. It's just to be ready to respond to any build-to-suits that are appropriate for us. That's the other thing too that Teresa mentioned. There are things that are on our mind with respect to the use of cash and proceeds. One is the maturing of ventures this year. There's the NCIB potential. There's also remaining development commitments and future development commitments, which could include build-to-suits as well. So these things are on our mind.

But right now, no plans to move speculatively on any of our remaining land. I think that that will be the case through the year. Again, we'll respond if there are interesting build-to-suit opportunities, but otherwise, no. Not at this time.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Makes sense. Just looking at your top 10 tenants, the only one that stands out is CEVA having a 0.8-year maturity. Is that a 2024 or a 2025 maturity? And do you have any color as to what would happen there potentially?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

In fact, it's the end of the year as well. No, no color at this time. And we certainly don't want to, we're in discussions on both bases with them, so we don't want to tip our hands in any way on those.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Fair enough. And then just back to Kyle's question, I don't know if you answered it, but the timing, would the full quarter impact have been felt, or is it kind of in straight-line rent, and then we'll transfer over to cash rent?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

We've got a note for Barry Callebaut.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

There's straight-line rent in.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

There's straight-line rent.

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

Yeah. There's straight-line rent number in this first quarter. Yeah.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. That's it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Pammi Bir with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Pammi Bir
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning. Kevan, I just wanted to clarify your comments on the occupancy. I think it was roughly that 97% target that was cited last quarter. Is that a committed figure that you expect to sort of become cash-producing next year, or do you think you can will that translate actually into cash flow or income in 2024 towards the end of the year?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

That's a good question, Pammi. No, that would include cash in 2025. So you're right. That would be, I guess, occupied and committed, to be fair.

Pammi Bir
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Then just not to nitpick here, but on the in-place side, where do you see? I mean, it's nice to see a bit of progress after the quarter on some of the U.S. leasing. Does that get to 96-ish or kind of hold at where it is as of May, I guess?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

No, I think that 96-ish is fair. I'm not sure. I think I mean, there's entirely a chance that we see rent this year as well. But I think if you assume 96 were in place, I think that that would be fair.

Pammi Bir
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Got it. And then just sticking with the U.S. leasing, I'm just curious, have you changed the strategy at all on some of the deals that you have been able to execute more recently? And obviously, you did change some of your maintenance CapEx and TI assumptions, but have there been any change at all in terms of maybe what you're offering from an incentive standpoint, free rent, or anything of that nature?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

No. I think two things I would say about that is, again, the increase in the CapEx was because of stuff from 2023 when we scrubbed the numbers and realized it's not as though we're doubling TIs on our new leases and renewals. So we're not. Just to be clear on that. That's a carryover from a previous year. That's why the increase. With respect to TIs and free rent on deals, we are always, always open and willing to respond to market conditions and do whatever we have to do to execute on these deals. But that being said, the deals that we have done so far this year and the deals that we are working on, we have not seen a material movement from our budget assumptions for TIs.

I don't want to get into details about TIs that we're assuming because we're in discussions with tenants on them and brokers as well. There has not been a major change in TIs and free rent periods from our expectations for 2024 so far. If those conditions change, we will respond accordingly to execute on those deals.

Pammi Bir
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

That's helpful. Thanks for that. Last one, just on the lease that was done in Nashville, I think it was the Lebanon one of the Lebanon properties. Which property was that of the three that are there?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Was the middle one, number two, the back one?

Pammi Bir
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. I think it's the back one. The one at the back, if you remember. I can't remember whether it's building three or building one.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

It's building three.

Pammi Bir
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Got it. Thanks very much. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Sumayya Syed with CIBC. Your line is open.

Sumayya Syed
Director of Equity Research, CIBC

Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask about the Brantford development and the lease up there. Just wondering if you can share what was the free rent period included with that lease, and also what's the standard you're seeing being offered in the GTA market more broadly these days?

Teresa Neto
CFO, Granite REIT

I think it's four months. Yeah. I think it's a four-month free rent period, Sumayya. So that'll run into April, and then we'll be cash from April 15 onwards, more or less.

Sumayya Syed
Director of Equity Research, CIBC

Okay. Just switching to the demand side, I guess if you could qualify in terms of by industry, vertical, or user type, where would you say there's the most hesitation or delay in terms of making a decision today?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

In terms of future development?

Sumayya Syed
Director of Equity Research, CIBC

Or just addressing current vacancies and the types of users and who's delaying the most versus whose demands haven't changed?

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

It's tough. I mean, 3PLs are still carrying the day as far as we can see. It sounds like in the U.S. anyway, automotive's been active. Food has been active. Pharmacy has been active. I think these are themes that continued from last year. And e-commerce is starting to come back, and we're seeing them more and more in our markets. Not that they have done leases that we're aware of anyways, but we're starting to see activity. They're starting to underwrite space more than we've seen, certainly in 2023. And that is good for us too because it typically involves larger space. So I'm not sure if that's the color you were looking for, but that's kind of what we're seeing on the ground so far this year.

Sumayya Syed
Director of Equity Research, CIBC

Okay. Yeah. That's helpful. That's all I have. Turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to the presenters.

Kevan Gorrie
President and CEO, Granite REIT

Okay. Well, on behalf of the trustees and the management team here at Granite, thank you for participating in the call today, and we look forward to speaking with you again in August. Have a good day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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