Earnings Call: Q4 2019

Mar 11, 2020

Earnings release

Good morning. My name is Joanna, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the BSR REIT Q4 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you. Mr. Bailey, you may begin your conference. Well, thank you, Joanna, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to BSR REIT's conference call to discuss our financial results for 4th quarter year ended December 31, 2019. I am John Bailey, BSR's Chief Executive Officer. Joined today by Susie Kane, our Chief Financial Officer. Also with us are Blake Brazil, President and Chief Operating Officer and Dan Oberstein, Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer, who will both be available to answer questions. I'll start this call by providing an overview of our results during Q4 and some commentary on the performance drivers. Susie will then review the financials and I'll conclude with some comments on our outlook and strategy. After that, we'll be pleased to answer questions that you may have. Before we begin, I need to remind listeners that certain statements about future events made on this conference call are forward looking in nature. Any such information is subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to the cautionary statements on forward looking information in our news release and MD and A dated March 10, 2020 for more information. During the call, we will reference certain non IFRS financial measures. Although we believe these measures provide useful supplemental information about our financial performance, they're not recognized measures and do not have standardized meanings under IFRS. Please see our MD and A for additional information regarding our non IFRS measures, including reconciliations to the nearest IFRS measures. Also, please note that all dollar amounts are denominated in U. S. Currency. Let me begin with a quick clarification of the results that we will be discussing today. As you know, we completed our initial public offering and commenced trading on the Toronto Stock Exchange during the Q2 of 2018. The REIT had no operations prior to that date. As a result, the year over year comparisons for the Q4 and apples are apples to apples. However, the full year numbers would not be. Accordingly, in order to provide investors with a more complete understanding of our full year performance in 2019, we will discuss revenue, NOI and same community metrics for the entire comparable 12 month period in 2018 for the properties that were acquired by the REIT upon completion of the IPO. In the Q4, we maintained our track record of producing strong operating performance. We generated solid growth in revenue and NOI, maintained high occupancy and increased average rent per unit. We generated this growth both from organic rent increases and from accretive property acquisitions. Let me quickly recap the Q4 performance. Weighted average rent at the end of the 4th quarter was $9.42 per apartment unit, up from $8.21 last year. Same community weighted average rent was $8.64 per apartment unit compared to $8.45 a year ago. The substantial increase for the portfolio as a whole reflects the impact of our successful capital rotation strategy and reinvestment program, while we continue to transition the portfolio into higher rent communities located in our target increased 7.1% as compared to Q4 2018, while total NOI increased 7 0.7%. On a same community basis, revenue increased 3.3% and NOI was up 7.3% year over year. Total revenue for the year ended 2031, 2019 increased 10.7%, while NOI increased 12.5%. On a same community basis, revenue increased 3.7% and NOI was up 6% year over year. The strong same community NOI numbers underline the fact that we continue to generate growth in our rental rates. Our success in raising rents has not affected our occupancy rate. As of December 31, 2019, we had an average weighted average occupancy of 93.6%, up slightly from 93.3% at the end of 2018. We continue to see runway for further rent increases going forward. During Q4, we also continued to deliver on our property rotation strategy. On October 31, we acquired Satori and Longmeadow Apartments in Richmond, Texas, comprising 300 apartment units and Aubrey at Twin Creeks in Allen, Texas, comprising 2 16 apartment units for a total of $92,800,000 Richmond is located in the Houston MSA, where we now own 8 properties and 1962 total apartment units, representing 20% of our portfolio's NOI on a pro form a basis. Allen is located in Dallas Fort Worth, MSA, where we now own 5 properties and 1708 total apartment units, representing 22 percent of the portfolio's NOI on a pro form a basis. We sold properties in Tulsa and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Baton Rouge in Shreveport, Louisiana and Hot Springs, Arkansas as a part of a 9 property sales process begun in Q3, which raised a total of $119,200,000 And subsequent to year end, we sold Westwood Village in Shreveport, Louisiana for gross proceeds of $16,000,000 And as we said we would, we have now completely exited the Louisiana market. This continues the ongoing process of transitioning our portfolio into suburban communities located in targeted high growth primary markets. The spread in cap rates between the primary and secondary markets in the U. S. Sunbelt remains at a historically low levels. So we will continue to capitalize on rotating out of our identified secondary markets and into the high growth targeted markets. I'll speak more on capital recycling later in the call. Looking ahead to the year, to the year now underway, we are very pleased with DSR's competitive position. We are delivering on our internal and external growth strategies, as we said we would do, and see multiple opportunities to continue to enhance our portfolio and generate unitholder value. I'll now turn it over to Susie to review our Q4 and full year results in more detail. Susie? Thanks, John. Same community revenue in Q4 2019 was $20,000,000 up 3.3% from last year, primarily reflecting an increase in same community rental rates to $8.64 per month from $8.45 per month at year end 2018. Total revenue for the quarter increased 7.1 percent to $28,100,000 which was largely the result of property acquisitions, net of dispositions subsequent to December 31, 2018, as well as higher rental rates across the portfolio. NOI for the same community properties totaled $110,000,000 compared to $10,200,000 last year. The 7.3% increase was due to the increase in rental rates that I just discussed. NOI for the full portfolio was $14,900,000 compared to $13,800,000 last year. The 7.7% increase was primarily the result of property acquisitions, net of dispositions, subsequent to December 31, 2018, as well as the contribution from the same community assets. FFO for the Q4 of 2019 was $6,700,000 or $0.15 per unit compared to $7,700,000 or $0.19 per unit last year. The decrease was primarily the result of a net increase in finance costs resulting from the timing of the repayment of debt due to the accumulation of cash that occurs when all property sales included in the same tax deferred exchange must close before the proceeds can be recycled as well as an increase in the amortization of net discounts related to the fair value of debt and deferred loan cost. Additionally, G and A contributed approximately $500,000 to the decrease in FFO over the prior year, predominantly due to our purchase price allocation adjustment taken in the Q4 of 2018 in connection with our IPO. AFFO for the Q4 of 2019 was $6,300,000 or $0.14 per unit compared with $6,200,000 or $0.16 per unit. The increase in the dollar amount reflects the inclusion of income related to the rent guarantee on the acquisition of Satori of $600,000 and a decrease in maintenance capital expenditures of $200,000 and the exclusion of retention and severance costs associated with capital recycling of about $200,000 The per unit figure reflects the September offering. The REIT paid quarterly cash distributions of $0.125 per unit in Q4 of those years, representing an AFFO payout ratio of 89.6% in Q4 2019 compared to 79.9 percent last year. As previously stated, during 2019, DSR acquired 5 apartment communities for $250,000,000 and sold 15 non core properties for $173,000,000 dollars and we are not finished yet. The high level of capital recycling created choppiness in AFFO during Q4 2019, and this will continue through 2020, increasing unit order value at the end of the program. I'll now briefly review our results for the year ended December 31, 1, 2019. As John indicated, the revenue, NOI and same community metrics for 2018 comprised the entire 12 month period for the properties that were acquired by the REIT upon completion of the IPO. Revenue was $111,700,000 which was 10.7% higher than last year. The increase was primarily the result of proxy acquisitions, which contributed $14,900,000 in revenue as well as higher rental rates across the portfolio, partially offset by disposition reducing revenue by $8,000,000 dollars Same community revenue for the full year was $79,200,000 an increase of 3.7% from the 2018 level, primarily reflecting increased rental revenue. Full year NOI for the portfolio was $59,700,000 representing a year over year increase of 12.5%. The increase was primarily the result of property acquisitions that contributed $7,900,000 partially offset by 3 point $7,000,000 attributable to dispositions and the higher same community NOI. Same community NOI for the full year increased 6% to 40 $2,800,000 due to the higher revenue levels. FFO was $29,300,000 in 20.19 or $0.71 per unit. AFFO was $26,400,000 or $0.64 per unit. The REIT paid cash distributions of $0.50 per unit for the year, representing an AFFO payout ratio of 78.6%. As previously stated, the high level of capital recycling created choppiness in AFFO during 2019, and this will continue through 2020, increasing unitholder value at the end of the program. Turning to our balance sheet. As of December 31, 2019, our debt to gross book value ratio was 48.3%. However, taking into account the 30 $2,400,000 repayment of our credit facility and the sale of Westwood Village subsequent to year end, our debt to GBV is now 40 6.4%. As of December 31, 2019, liquidity was $106,000,000 including cash and cash equivalents of $37,000,000 $33,600,000 of borrowing capacity under our credit facility and 30 $5,000,000 available under our revolving line of credit. We had total mortgage notes payable of $409,000,000 excluding credit facility with a weighted average contractual interest rate of 3.9% and a weighted average terms of maturity of 9.6 years. As of December 31, 2019, total loans and borrowings were $542,000,000 I will now turn it back over to John for some closing comments. John? Thank you, Susie. In 2019, VSR took advantage of historically low cap rate spreads among asset types in primary and secondary markets to accelerate our capital recycling strategy and reinvestment program. While we met our objective of generating strong financial performance, we are materially we also materially upgraded our portfolio. The weighted average age of our property portfolio dropped to 23 years at end of December 2019 compared to 29 years at the end of our IPO. Our weighted average rent as of December 31, 2019 increased 14.7% compared to the prior year. In addition, in the Q4 of 2019, 72% of our NOI was generated from properties in our 5 targeted markets: Austin, Dallas, Houston, Oklahoma City and Northwest Arkansas. That compares to 52% in the Q4 2018 calculated on a pro form a basis. And there's more we can do. Assuming market conditions continue to be constructive, we still plan to exit the following markets: Beaumont, Texas Longview, Texas Lambo, Arkansas and Pascagoula, Mississippi. The anticipated sales of the criteria should provide us with substantial additional capital to invest in modernizing our portfolio while investing in quality properties in our targeted primary markets. And we have $106,000,000 in liquidity for additional accretive acquisitions. Our strategy is working and we plan to stick with it. Our future outlook for BSR REIT is very bright. We have the ability to continue to recycle capital from secondary markets to BSR's target primary markets on a tax deferred basis, taking advantage of the compression and cap rates previously discussed and the market for garden style assets in our target market continues to be deep and liquid. That concludes our remarks this morning. Susie, Dan, Blake and I would now be pleased to answer any questions you may have. So operator, would you please open the line for questions? Thank you. Your first question comes from Dean Wilkinson from CIBC. Please go ahead. Good morning, Dean. Susie, just have a question for you on the accounting treatment on the call it income subsidy on Satori, I guess is it dealt with as a purchase price adjustment and that's why it doesn't show up in sort of in the P and L? You make that adjustment at the AFFO line and then as that leases up, that goes away and we'll kind of see that $0.01 to $0.02 adjustment come back into FFO. So it gets us more of a run rate higher than what we saw in Q4 from an operational perspective? Hey, Dean, yes, you're absolutely right. So under IFRS, we're required to record the rent guarantee as a receivable. And then as we collect the cash, it goes against the receivable and it doesn't go to the P and L. However, cash flow perspective, that is cash we're collecting. You're right. And as that goes away and as we lease the property up, it will flip to NOI and of course FFO. Okay. So conceptually, if I added that back to the FFO as a normalized number that it might not be the way sort of the accountants want to look at it, but from a sort of run rate perspective, it does make sense. Correct. Okay. That was it for me. I will hand it back and let others have an opportunity. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from Stefan Boor from Echelon Wealth Partners. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. I'll kick it off with a fairly difficult question, I think. So in terms of the virus, we're obviously none of us are experts on the question, but we're seeing an increasing number of major cities declaring the state of emergency. And I was wondering if you could give us a little bit more color on your base scenario and how this situation could potentially affect the performance of mid term? Hello, Stefan. This is John. And thank you for your question. We take the virus very seriously here and we have had meetings and we've and I've delegated a charge to Blake Brazil to oversee this process about how we're going to handle it. And Blake, would you mind commenting on this work for Stephan? Sure. We are taking this very seriously and have already had meetings internally. I'm heading this up in order to come up with contingency plans. As of this call, CDC has reported that there's been less than 20 travel related cases across our markets and no deaths. Although the communities spread, we expect it to spread. But as you just said, this is a difficult thing, I mean, for us to predict. But we're preparing for it to spread. But 10 days ago, we put together a crisis response team specific to this threat and the team represents multiple BSR departments and we're meeting regularly to manage our response. BSR is following the guidance from the CDC and the local health departments as well as considering industry specific recommendations for the National Multifamily Housing Council. While we're cautiously optimistic the effects of the virus could be less for the multifamily industry compared to others as has been written and talked about as compared to some of hotels and different things of that nature. We will remain vigilant. We're taking recommendations held to safety precautions to protect our team members, residents and shareholders. So at this point, we are doing we feel like we're doing everything we can and are taking the issue very, very, very seriously. And so from your comments, I understand that you haven't or you don't necessarily have or yes, you don't necessarily have a base scenario or any made any forecast on the potential impact in your numbers at this point? No, not at this point. We have not. We do know that in the past and situations through the years of different viruses that have come up that the multifamily industry has been not as affected as malls and hotels. And so we but we are not going to give any kind of an idea of what we think it will do to our accuracy at this point. Okay. Okay. Thank you for the details. And just the last question. Susie, I understand you touched a little bit on the subject in your opening remark, but could you give us a little more details on the G and A expense and potentially also the finance expense, which came in higher than expected. And all again, it all comes down to what kind of run rate per quarter should we expect going forward and from a modeling standpoint and if we should forecast any seasonality, for example, especially in the G and A? Yes. Okay. So first off with the G and A. Yes. So we had a purchase price allocation adjustment done in the Q4 of last year that was related to a liability that belonged on the opening balance sheet, which makes our increase in G and A look larger than it normally would. However, as far as the run rate goes, we're expecting about $8,000,000 in and A next year. That's $2,000,000 a quarter. The year was $7,400,000 so that's a little bit of an increase. It's related to stock based compensation, which will be our 3rd year of adding stock based compensation to the SAC and then it should capitalize as well as some costs related to payroll for employees whose payroll was formally capitalized as they worked on development and capital redevelopment, which we are keeping on staff as we continue to recycle capital. But their payroll basically goes through the income statement until we've got adequate projects again for them to work on. And we expect to have that as we acquire in 2020. Regarding interest expense, yes, so that's very disproportionate, and I'm glad you asked this question. So when you do a 1031 exchange in the U. S. Basically, in order to defer taxes, you have to wait until every property that's going to be included in the exchange has to close. So you sell one property, I'm just using this as an example, in October and another one doesn't close in February and they're part of the same exchange, you just accumulate the cash on the balance sheet. And you saw that happen because we had about $37,000,000 in cash at the end of the year. Then once all properties close, you're allowed to turn around and pay down debt with that cash, which is exactly what we did. This had about a $430,000 impact on our numbers for the year and about $300,000 for the 4th quarter. Okay. Just taking notes. Okay, perfect. That answers my question. Thank you so much. Yes. My pleasure. Thank you. The next question comes from Brad Sturges from IA Securities. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. In terms of the COVID virus, you can appreciate it's evolving pretty quickly, so it's really tough to predict. But I guess when you're looking at other impacts from previous events like this. Have you seen could you expect a slowdown in leasing activity or leads that you would have within the portfolio and how could that impact potential turnover rates? Well, it's Brad. Hi, Brad. This is Blake. At this point, as I was talking earlier about looking at what we thought it would do to us, I don't see and I would be very I'm just not going to make a prediction on exactly what it will do to the leasing. It's so new. I will say this, it has not affected us to this point at all in our markets. And having said that, as quoted on the statistic in our markets, our markets have not been affected seen anything and I really don't want to give you any thought my thoughts on it right now because it would just not be grounded in facts. Yes. And in terms of Houston and the change in the energy market, I know there has been more diversification in the economy there. I just want to get your initial thoughts on Houston specifically. Sure, Brad. This is Dan. I want to start this out by saying that we lease apartments for a living. We're not economists. But so first things first, Houston is not Alberta and Houston is not the Permian Basin. And what I mean by that is in Houston about a250,000 of the 3,500,000 jobs coming out of Houston are directly related to oil that's less than 10%, okay? Now if you're looking specifically into those oil related jobs, Those jobs in that are more related to global headquarters and engineering centers built on executive and technical talent. So what we've seen historically is a few quarter lag in job creation. The average jobs that come out of Houston is about 65,000. We don't see the direct impact in even a sustained market like what we saw in 2014 2015. So with all that being said, the ups and downs are part of the oil and natural gas business and the Houston businesses have proven pretty nimble and innovative in how they challenge that. I think I would direct the group to look into our performance in Houston in 2014 2015. And I want to let's talk about 2014 2015. In 2014 2015 you had a $50 a barrel sustained drop in oil. You had a 77% reduction in the rig count, right? And you had 8 consecutive quarters of declines in the rig counts. And between 2014 and 2015 and 2015 and 2016 and 2016 and 2017, we saw, I would say, about a 10% sustained and sequential increase in our NOI at our properties. And the reason for that is our properties cater to the middle class and we've said that before and we'll continue to say that. We might have a different type of resident in a, I'll say, a $30 to $40 sustained oil economy than we have currently or than we had last year. But our occupancy and particular, whether the market's up or down for oil. And we also want to remind the group that the market of oil while Houston is the energy capital of the world, the economy and GDP of Houston, only 10% of that is related directly to oil. Now we do 'fourteen to 'seventeen performance and say we outperformed the market of Houston in those years and we would expect nothing different moving forward. And then I think lastly on that, 2 more points I'd like to make on that. I would like to direct the group's attention to the University of Houston's economic projections. They are economists. And specifically to their Q4 twenty nineteen assessment, where they assess a sustained oil per barrel cost of call it $40 and its economic impact on the city of Houston and the Houston MSA, its GDP, its unemployment. And what University of Houston says is a sub-forty dollars price of oil per barrel could impact roughly 19,000 of the 60,000 anticipated jobs to be created 2020. And they would expect a one time downward shift and then a gradual recovery. So there's that. There's also the worry factor. We're not really worried about the short term pricing war and its impact on our properties in Houston at this time. Now the last thing we find interesting is, we've been in Houston for 20 years. We feel very confident and familiar with the market. It's ebbs and flows, it's ups and downs. I mean, I'm of the opinion that a quick drop in the price of oil is probably going to chase some chase capital that was otherwise chasing deals in Houston could provide a buying opportunity for properties in our market. We could see some cap rate expansion in that market as we look at the pipeline on a look forward basis. And I think that's probably going to last for about a quarter. Taking a longer term view and trying to be opportunistic if something arises? That's exactly right. So I think the overall take is we exited Shreveport on January 31st. We exited Louisiana in January 31st. And when we look at acquisitions and pipelines in core markets, the first thing we ask ourselves is where do we feel comfortable owning for the next 10, 20 30 years? And Houston being the 4th largest city, the energy capital of the world, the 1,000,000 people that live in and around the med center, the education, the port, we want to be in Houston for the next 20 years. Now we may garden from time to time, but it's a solid bet. With respect to Satori, what's your expectations in terms of further lease up and stabilization of occupancy? Yes. So we modeled you saw the $600,000 impact to the rent escrow agreement in connection with sale. That's right in line with our modeling. We underwrote, I'll say, 3 different lease up parameters. I think we're sitting right there in the middle, which calls for a lease up and stabilization, call it coming out of the summer. It's right in line with what we thought we were going to see there. We expect stabilized occupancy at the property to be a little bit in excess of the overall average market. Average market in Houston sits about 90% to 92%. We love that pocket of growth in Katy and West Houston. Given the property is brand new and superior to all its comps, we see the occupancy sitting anywhere between $90,000,000 $95,000,000 rate dependent. I'll dovetail on Dan. We feel like we've really the last probably 45 days really hit our sweet spot in terms of we monitor this through our LRO system and one of our main ones we look at really every day. And the rents, we really hit a good spot. We've leased pre leased 50 units over the last 30 days. And we've also had over 20 people move in net of that. So that kind of gives you at least the velocity. And we December and it's a harder slower pace, but we have really seen it take off and we're really excited and feel like we're right on track as Dan laid out for you. I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. What's the current occupancy right now? The current occupancy right now is 45%. 45, okay. But the lease rate is about 15% higher than that. So we expect the month end about 15 points higher. The lease rate is 15% higher than that. Okay, perfect. I'll turn it back. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from Brandon Abrams from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning, everyone. Hi, good morning. Maybe just following up on the energy discussion and Dan, you provided a lot of good insights there. Obviously, as a REIT, you can't control the maybe the impact on the leasing environment from energy prices. But I guess within your control would be future capital allocation decisions. Just given your current exposure to Texas being about 2 thirds of total suites, I'm just wondering how you're thinking about future acquisition. Do you have an upper limit concentration exposure to the state in your mines? Or maybe there is no limit? And then on the flip side, I think 2 of the markets you referenced in the non core on the disposition, how do you see kind of the environment playing out on that side of things? Hello, Brandon. This is John. Listen, I wanted to speak for first of all, let's just talk about the energy markets in Houston. And Dan noted that it is the 4th largest market. It's one of the most diverse markets. Houston used to be much like the Alberta territory, if you would, that is highly dependent upon energy back in the 1980s. However, today, as Dan noted, it's about 10% of the jobs are energy related with the majority of those jobs are being white collar jobs and we don't see those as being unstable. So for the most part, Houston is a dynamic and diverse growing market that we want long term exposure. And for the Dallas Fort Worth, Boston and those two different markets, BSR has a very low exposure in those markets right now and we are extremely highly scalable as you might think about BSR's scalable platform that we have room to grow and double the size of this company and continuing to grow in these markets. We feel every bit as what has been predicted for the migration, the renter migration, the economic growth all being double digits in these markets. We are moving and capitalizing and exploiting totally the opportunity to take the current cap rate compression and moving assets out of our secondary tertiary markets into the primary targeted markets that we discussed, all for the same reason of the high economic and population growth that are going in these areas. So from the standpoint of how long, I can tell you that we can continue to drive increased margin and scale by continuing to grow in these markets where we know them quite well. We've been exposed to them, like Dan had said, 20 plus years. This is our backyard and we certainly want to grow all the way through the Sunbelt region. But we are trying to take this in terms of a step by step and do it in a very efficient manner. Okay. That's very helpful. It seems like the near term volatility and I guess existing exposure won't preclude future acquisitions in that market obviously. Maybe just from your opening remarks on the capital recycling, I think you referenced 5 markets. I may have I think I may have missed the 5th Beaumont, Longview, Pascagoula, Blissville, I think I missed the 5th one. If you could just name that and also of the Penn properties, what would the approximate IFRS value be? Well, let me first speak to the properties. I think your question was, were you asking about what are our targeted 5 markets or were you asking about the markets we're moving out of? I'll just say this, the past Agoule, Mississippi, we have one property and it's in a very small MSA and we anticipate moving out of that for sure as being targeted as one of our exiting markets. It's the only property we have in the state of Mississippi. So you can expect us to be moving out of that property. And secondly, in Blytheville, Arkansas, we have one property in the Northeast part of the state and we're going to do the same there where our plans are to exit Blytheville this year as well as Longview, Texas. We've been in Longview for plus years. It's been an outstanding market for us. But it is it doesn't meet the criteria that our strategic criteria to rotate and take our equity and recycle it into the primary high growth targeted markets. And so we're going to essentially monetize and securitize all the investments made in all of those markets and rotated into the 5 targeted markets of Northwest Arkansas Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Dallas Fort Worth Austin, Texas and Houston, Texas. So when you think about that, that's really our total overall strategy has been that we've been executing on in 2019 and we're going to be having a more fulsome rotation this year based on the activity that we have planned. And Stacy, you might want to speak to the IFRS. Yes, sure. I mean, total IFRS value of total planned dispositions right now in 2020 is about 350,000,000 And that includes the assets that we added this quarter, a few assets in Little Rock as well as Houston. With the capacity of going another $100,000,000 on top of that? With our Yes. Right. Okay. Yes, that's very helpful. And then last question for me before I turn it over. Just kind of the impact in the bond market and where yields are right now, any refinancing opportunities available to the REIT or would early interest or early penalty payments be too prohibitive? Sure, Brendan. This is Dan. Before I get into refi opportunities, I'm kind of chomping at the bit to talk a little bit more about our Texas markets and how we rank our acquisition targets. First, just a little thought on geography. What's happening in the oil markets is a direct attack against the shale oil markets or the shale oil play coming out of Texas. We see that as concentrated in the Permian Basin, right? So that's Midland and Odessa. And now I'm not the best at geography, but if I used a ruler and I measured the distance between Dallas and Lubbock or Dallas and Odessa, probably be about the same distance between Dallas and Atlanta. So that's the geography we're talking about. Now I get that there's that economics, there's a lot of related parts, there's butterfly effects, so on and so forth. But from the human side, we do see the Midland and Odessa and the Southwest Texas market, where the cost to make profit on oil is about $50 a barrel relative to Russia's $42 and Saudi Arabia's $75 a barrel. We do see that as a problem in those particular markets. And we lose your job in Midland and Odessa, where are you going to go? We believe you're going to go into Dallas and Austin and Houston. And that's been I would say that's been what we've seen historically when you see a massive movement or a sharp movement in rig count reductions or in the price of oil one way or the other. Now how we rank them? Right now, the team ranks Austin as our top target, Dallas right behind it. We're looking purely at 3, 5, 7, 10, 15 year total unitholder returns for our investors. And we're driving a higher percentage of that on organic growth projections. Austin is the best place to live in America, best place for a job in America. It's a hot market. It has been for a decade and it continues to be a hot market. Dallas has a pretty diverse economy. It's neck and neck with Houston is the 4th largest city in America. Every other year we see a movement between the 2. It stands on 4 to 8 legs of GDP growth in various interrelated industries. And we expect it to continue to climb. And what we're doing in Dallas now and more so in Houston is looking at pockets. We see pockets of growth in Dallas and Houston, and then we see pockets of oversupply. So as I said last quarter, supply in the South has always been the boogeyman. We're looking keenly at supply issues. I would say an acute impact in Houston is the 6,000 to 10000 units that were built last year. We look at our projection for next year ranging from 15,000 to 27, you've got about an average of 15,000 units that are built each year in Houston. We would probably revise our expectations on deliveries in Houston for new product a little bit downward as a direct result of this oil drop. That's good for us and our product that's good for absorption, and that's good for, I'll say, rate and occupancy support. Now if I'm moving over to Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City, sure, it's in the oil patch. That would be our 4th target. And OKC in Northwest Arkansas will use a little bit of a yield check against some of the downward cap rates in Texas that we're seeing. In Oklahoma City, just want to highlight here, 0 of the top 18 and 4 of the top 50 employers in OKC are related to oil at all. That's Devon, Chesapeake, Enable and Continental. So 3% of the total jobs in OKC have anything to do with oil. That means 97% of the jobs have nothing to do with oil. I don't see any anticipated impact. And when I look at Oklahoma City, what I see is a 15.7% population growth since 2010, a current 2.8% unemployment rate and 10 consecutive quarters of rental increase. When I look over at Northwest Arkansas, which is home to J. B. Hunt, Walmart, Tyson, few other Fortune 500 or Fortune 5 Companies, what I'm seeing is an average effective rent and AMR of about $7.15 That $7.15 is low, I believe, relative to median income, and it represents 28% increase over the past 5 years. And I also see vacancy below 5%. So that rounds up our markets. Now to get to your question, refi potential. What we're seeing right now is H and C credit spreads widening a little bit. So if you're looking to finance with a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac product or a product, I think you can target rates leverage dependent anywhere between 2.95 and 3.60, 350. As far as BSR's borrowing rates, I would just direct the group to look at our the disclosed terms of our BMO led facility, which I think is a anywhere between 150 basis points 170 basis points over LIBOR. And just reflect that we like to whether we like fixed rate debt at the point of acquisitions. So we like to execute swaps against our credit spreads. Right now, 5 year swap rate ranges anywhere between 60 and call it 120 basis points. So on the high end of that, you're looking at a BSR borrowing cost of, let's say, 1.50 plus 1.2 you're looking at a BSR borrowing cost of, let's say, $150,000,000 plus $120,000,000 $270,000,000 We think that gives a little bit of a competitive advantage though. We're going to remain disciplined. We're not going to chase cap rates down into unreasonable territory and build an IRR based on debt yields. That's very helpful. I'll turn it over. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Thanks, Brandon. Thank you. The next question comes from Kyle Stanley from Desjardins. Please go ahead. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Hey, good morning, Kyle. Hello, Kyle. So there is a nice improvement in the sequential and year over year same property NOI margin during the quarter. I'm just wondering, was there anything non recurring in the OpEx line that could have contributed to that? Kyle, I'll take this one. Yes. So in the Q4, we received a large number of tax refunds, which reduced operating expenses and, of course, bolstered the margin. But that would be nonrecurring. While we do get tax refunds each year and our here is quite good at it, we don't ever know when they're coming and it's hard to predict the exact amount. Okay. That makes sense. So then somewhere in that kind of 54% same property NOI margin, is that an okay run rate? Or would you guide maybe a little bit lower than that? No, I'm guiding you lower. I'd say 50 2% right now because you have to remember right now, we've got in the middle of all this recycling, right, we go through ebbs and flows where we have less property after we've sold a bit before we acquire again. But our G and A stays the same and we allocate a portion of that G and A to property operating expenses. So while we have less units or less properties, we're still allocating the same amount of G and A, which is going to drive margins a little lower until we're stabilized again at the end of 2020. But the good news here is, of course, is then our G and A doesn't grow anymore. And the larger we get, the cheaper it is to run the properties. Okay. That makes sense. That's good color. And I guess kind of similarly along that line, just wondering on new acquisitions, does the REIT incur any incremental property management costs as kind of that property management function is transferred in house? Or is that potentially captured in that severance or retention cost? Right. The severance and retention cost are for properties that we're selling. We pay that to keep the employees on-site and to keep the property performing up to the date of sale. We take over the properties the day on acquisition as far as that we acquire as far as acquisitions go. So no, there are no external management fees paid. Okay, great. And then just the last one for me. We saw a modest compression of your IFRS cap rate in the 4th quarter. So I'm just wondering how you see that trending through 2020. I mean there's been some recent transactions in your markets that suggest cap rates could be headed even lower. So just maybe your thoughts on that and what it will look like in 2020? Sure. This is Dan. What we're seeing is trading cap rates that are collapsing at about 25% to 50% of the pace of the call it the 10 year. So if I was targeting if I'm targeting the Austin market at the beginning of the year, I'm looking at a call it a 4.75% cap depending on whether you're buying value add B or A. I'm going to push that down to about a 4.25%. Dallas, the exact same numbers and Houston probably a little bit higher cap rates for stabilized assets. Let's call it, As are running 4.5 to 5. For Bs are running 5 to 5.50. So you can see, if we see a 1980s vintage value add asset in Dallas trading at the same cap rate as a 2018 constructed 95% occupied property in the same submarket, I mean apples to apples, we're going to vet on that better, I'll say better positioned product in the newer product. Yes. No, that makes sense. And I mean based on your commentary there, it sounds like there's definitely some runway for cap rates to continue compressing in your portfolio for sure. So it should be good for valuation going forward. Look, look, the method we use to value properties is pretty stable. I would say what I've seen in the past is a sustained reduction in your benchmark rates for a period of time is going to certainly drive systemically cap rates for assets lower. If it's me, I'd probably sit tight for a couple of quarters, see where the tenure continues to trade down at these levels. And you're going to see a lot more, I'll say, revolutions in recap and dispose trading at lower cash that's going to provide us support and benchmark for lowering cap rates. Okay, great. Thanks very much for that. I'll turn it back. Okay. Thanks, Paul. Thank you. The next question is from Matt Logan from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Thank you and good morning. Hey, good morning. Good morning, Matt. On your capital recycling program, when I look at the organic growth between your 5 target markets and the rest of your portfolio, it seems that the same property NOI growth is much stronger in those 5 markets. But within those markets, there also seems to be some bifurcation. Could you talk about the operating strength in terms of how new supply and rent growth is trending in some of those 5 markets? And how we should think about the organic growth from the portfolio in 2020, perhaps excluding the impact of COVID-nineteen in any major economic events out of left field? I'll take that one. I think we're anticipating overall NOI growth of 2% to 4%. I think revenue will be in that range. We are when you look at the what we projected at the end of the year, we felt like that we were right in line with the market, the individual markets that we have. We look at that very, very closely and feel good that that's where we'll fall. And as of this, the small apple size we had this year, we feel pretty good about what we're protecting. And within your target markets, I mean, are you seeing new supply pick up? And how does that impact your thinking between buying newer assets versus buying older vintage assets? Yes, Matt, this is Dan. We are seeing some supply pickup in Dallas and Austin has had increases year over year for the past decade. What we're paying attention to is the net absorption. The annual job growth and annual population growth statistics out of, let's say, the 3 Texas markets are just astounding compared to relatively sized markets. So the net absorption numbers continue to hold up. The spec developers in those markets pay very close attention to the job growth forecasts and the population growth forecasts. And we don't see any acute oversupply issues just affecting our rents or occupancies in those markets over the next, call it, year, 2 years. Now with that said, what we are seeing in Dallas is a glut of development and supply, that has been built, in 2018 2019 and moving into 2020. Now those spec developers are not in the business of owning and holding on to real estate. They're looking to rotate. So I see them flooding the market in the past, call it, 6 months for new product. The problem that we're seeing with it is this pricing for the new product is sitting right in par and then on cap rates and a cost per unit as the value add construction, not dissimilar to what we bought in Wimberley and River Hill 2 years ago. And I think a lot of the buyers are thinking the same way the BSR is, apples to apples. Do you want to buy a 35 year old car or brand new car? And you're kind of seeing some of that supply for the new construction being or the bids going over to new construction relative to value add. And I think the issue that I'm finding some intrigue with is it's not doing anything to the depth of the buy side on value add. So the historic value add buyer like BSR in Dallas may be moving over to buying a newer, say, newer product for a similar price, leaving what you would think would be a hole on the buy side in Dallas. But Dallas is now a KOA market, in my opinion. It's global. We're seeing inflows of capital into Dallas from areas that last year were not flowing in. And they're picking up that gap on the buy side for the cost and cap rate for value add product. Appreciate the color. And maybe just on the quantum of asset sales. Susie, you mentioned that there was something to the tune of potentially $200,000,000 to $300,000,000 asset sales in 2020. Would that include Little Rock or would that be limited to Beaumont, Blytheville, Shreveport, Pascagoula and Longview? I port, Pascagoula and Longview? Yes, I said $350,000,000 and that includes certain assets in Little Rock and certain assets in Houston as well. Okay. And so could you tell us the total number of units or properties associated with that figure? Well, yes, it's hard to say exactly, right. We know what we'd like to sell, but timing weighs into this. We believe our same store unit count will be between 3,000 and 4,000 units by the end of the year. 34,000 units for the same store portfolio. Yes. And as you exit some of these slower growth markets, would we expect to see organic growth pick up from 2% to 4% and continue to converge maybe with the overall organic growth for the portfolio? The same store portion? Yes. I guess, we see that same store number increase beyond 2% to 4% over the next 12 months as you shed smaller markets? I don't see it going north of 4%, but I run 2 different models and I run it based on our disposition schedules that we look at. And I look at that constantly. And when you look at it, it does improve, but I don't we're not going to go north of 4%. Okay. Appreciate the color. That's all for me. I'll turn the call back. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from Matt Kornack from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead. Hi, guys. Just to follow-up on Matt's question there. At this point, are you looking at portfolio sales or are these all one off transactions? Yes, Matt, this is Dan. We like our likelihood. So we can complete these rotations on hidden singles and doubles. And we said that last quarter and the quarter before, single property acquisitions, 2 property acquisitions occurring in the same day, closing the same day, similar to what we did in the 4th quarter. That's what we're currently planning. With that said, there are a glut of portfolios in the market and we look at them all and if they make sense for BSR, we got the capacity to move forward and execute. If they don't, we can still complete our rotations on a one off. Okay. And if I look at, I mean Longview looks like it's a pretty good market from a rent growth and occupancy standpoint. Beaumont looks like it requires a bit of work. I mean, are you leasing these up and getting them to a point where it makes sense to sell or how do you approach leasing in advance of selling the assets? Yes. I think I'd be out I think they'd kick me to the curb if we bought high and sold low. You know what I'd refer is if you look in Q4 and you look at the disposition of the Tulsa assets and the resulting quarterly sequential drop in occupancy, well, those Tulsa assets were occupied about 97% when we sold them. So that would have that's the lion's share of perhaps the Q3 to Q4 negative or the drop in same store occupancy. So yes, we would have thought about these in 2018 and really analyzed them in early 2019 with a plan to roll them out in 2020. And that's how we completed the 2019 sales and that's how we'll complete the 2020 sales. So it's probably, I call it a 2 year process of assessment of a property's performance, its optimum performance relative to the submarket and its comps, and economic analysis of the submarket on a 3, 5, 7 year hold and then the decision to move forward. But with that said, I don't think you're going to see us ramping up performance on a property in any particular quarter. Those are all very highly occupied. The margins look great. The CapEx numbers look great, and they have for a year or 2. Okay. I would add that that was part of our strategy. When we started this rotation, one of the real things that concerned me and concerned everyone else was just what you alluded to and that's the performance going down. Once you start telling employees that you're going to sell them and here comes a bunch of people on-site walking around. So we went out and did a market study on what our competitors were doing as far as retention and severance agreements. And John and myself looked at it and we both decided we made it even better than they were doing. And I think the proof is in the pudding because as Dan just said, our performance on properties that we're selling has stayed very, very consistent. And we have lost very few employees during this time. So just a little color on our performance of the properties we're going to sell. Interesting. With regards to the core target markets, everything looks good. Northwest Arkansas occupancy is good, but rent growth on a year over year basis looks a little light. Is that is there anything to that or what do you see happening in that market? Yes. We see some absorption issues up in Benville, which is the north side of that Northwest Arkansas market. And we just see some seasonal, call it, college town related rate flattening and softening in Fayetteville. Our properties are pretty well insulated from that for the most part. We own right there in the middle of the MSA. Towne Park was that acquisition we closed on in May of or in October of 2018. We like where we're positioned and we're very mindful of absorption issues and their impact on rate on call it a smaller 500,000 plus person market of Northwest Arkansas. I think with that said, Northwest Arkansas grows rapidly relative to its population 10000 to 15000 people a year. Job creation is there. Well, I think what you'll see with us on the buy side is we're not we're going to as I said before, we'll use it as a yield check against Austin, Dallas and Houston. If we see an opportunity to acquire at what we consider to be a good value in Northwest Arkansas over the long period, we might enter that market. But say of the 40 assets we've looked at since January, not one of them has been in Northwest Arkansas. So we're seeing pricing escalate, but we're paying real close attention to that rate softening number there. Interesting. And then, I mean, we don't have the benefit of as long as a history with your company. But on a year over year basis, occupancy looks consistent, but sequentially it's down a bit. I assume Q4 that's fairly typical. Yes, I think that's typical. And I hit on it. I'll pass it over to Blake, but I hit on that earlier. The quarter over quarter sequential number to me is solely driven well, primarily driven by the disposition of the Tulsa portfolio. And Mike is going to talk a little bit about some I will say some an intentional push on rate and its impact on occupancy, which we expect. Yes. I mean, we're talking about 75 units. And if you look at it, it's pretty strategical. We increased the rate because we had some occupancy. We were up pretty good and we felt like we could and it worked. We got some rent bumps. And at this point, we continue to we're always doing that with our portfolio. And if you look at where we are right now, the occupancy has rebounded around the areas that we were talking about. So that was kind of by design and it owned a handful of properties that drove that. Our an interesting thing is we look really hard at our revenue growth. In terms and looking at our revenue growth quarter over quarter in terms and looking at our renewals and our new rents and what our leases are showing us. And for Q4, we were at a 2.1% blended rate and 3.6% for renewals. So that's pretty and that was pretty much across the board on our property. So we feel pretty good about how we are looking at our rents and calibrating that against our occupancies all in one. Okay. No, that makes sense. Obviously, same property NOI growth is going to become a less relevant those been performing at or ahead of your pro form a when you acquired them? Those been performing at or ahead of your pro form a when you acquired them? Yes. We monitor those very, very closely. Look at those just almost seems like weekly. And yes, in general, they have and they are the ones that we really do a lot of rate monitoring because we're kind of when you buy a property, you've got to really, really get your hands around the market and what's happening in it. So we've been playing with the rates on a lot of these. But when you look at it overall, we've had we're right there on top of our performance. I run each month, all of them separately and all of them together to see where we are and we're literally right on top. And in our value add properties, averaging substantial rate increases against what we are putting into them. On those 2, which are our main value add properties, were above what we forecasted. Okay, sounds good. And then a quick question for Susie. I think Kyle touched on the margin aspect with regards to property tax earlier. But if we wanted to normalize for the escrowed rent and severance, we just add those two numbers back. Are all the costs associated with Satori already in your op costs? All the costs associated with Satori, meaning, yes, it's fully staffed right now. So yes, I mean, we're paying way more in expense right now than we're collecting in revenue. Obviously, though, there would be some increase in repair and maintenance as it gets leased up, and we have additional work to do for the normal wear and tear on the units. And I think you I may be getting confused because I'm tired and there are a few things reported today, but I think you've now disclosed development separately. That's the units you're adding on a specific property as sort of it's you own the land. So we should be using the CapEx number that we should use for the IPP is excluding that figure, correct? Right. Yes, we do disclose Wimbledon Green Phase 2 separately in our financial statements. But what was the second part of your question? Just in terms of total CapEx, obviously, with regards to suite repositioning, there may be an increase, but we can use sort of should we use the run rate excluding the development as a good number? Sure, back to development, Al. We're looking at about $4.48 per unit in maintenance CapEx next year. That one was in Greenout and the rest is your, what we call NOI gen CapEx. Okay, perfect. And you made a distinction and I think we've discussed it in the past, but in terms of the allocation of some G and A into the OpEx, I'm not sure that that's done universally across the peers, but can you speak to what amount that number is in terms of that G and A allocation? Right. So to be absolutely clear, and this is what I was alluding to earlier, we have a set amount of G and A, right? We're not going to lay off the entire corporate office while we have less units and then you'll have to rehire them back 6 months from now. So we have the exact same amount of G and A and it costs us the same amount to run the property from a corporate perspective. So right now, we're allocating more of that G and A to property operating expense percentage wise than we would have when we're larger. And this is what's exciting about our platform too, is the larger we get, the same amount gets allocated. So our property operating expenses overall come down as we grow. It was around 3%, but it again, it's escalating right now as we increase our total unit count. Okay, perfect. Thanks guys. Congrats on the quarter. And I want to clarify something too on Satorium that I gave you a 42 percent that's leased to today, it's actually 47 percent leased or occupied, excuse me. So it's 47%. Also one thing I want to clarify, I'd like to add is on Fayetteville, Fayetteville property had the rents are flat as you alluded to. Yes. So that's probably And we consider this is the Northwest market. Those rents have escalated over the last two quarters. So we feel good about that particular asset and that Perfect. Thanks. That's great color. Thank you. The next question is from Johan Rodriguez from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Actually, I'm good. All my questions have been answered. Okay. And the last question is from Saram Srinivas from BMO. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. Good morning. And thank you so much for all the color that's been given. That was really helpful. I don't mean to the Debbie Downer here, but probably just a question on in the event that you do see a recession coming along, does that change the way you look at acquisitions in terms of like does it change the markets you want to buy in or in terms of like would you buy unreleased properties or would you kind of pay a lower Bordeaux price? Is that something like do you have any thoughts on that? Yes, certainly. I think when we look at 1st and most importantly, when we every property we look at, and I mentioned that we looked at about 40 so far year to date, what we're paying attention to is those residents within that property, where do they work, how much do they make, what's our average rent. And then if we see any correlation between where they work in certain industries, we investigate the industries within the submarket. So a recession coming, I mean, we've been hearing about that for 2 years. I don't think that I don't think that an expansion ends just dies of old age. Right now, you look at the February jobs report at 275,000. You're seeing the top line numbers continue to support low I think low unemployment rate of 3.5%. Those top line numbers are continuing to support job growth. And sure, the financial markets and the fiscal policy we see associated with that tends to signal a recession. We account for that when we look at individual acquisitions. We account for that when we look at our particular core markets. And I would just reiterate that the markets that we're targeting for acquisitions and the properties within those markets, the markets have population and job growth well in excess of many of our Sunbelt and National peers. And the properties within those markets are generally situated in a B rent environment. So that's important for, I would say, for two reasons. Number 1, as we've said all along, when times are good, we benefit from expansion of rents and new household formations, net supply, absorption. When times are bad, the rates that we currently enjoy on our portfolio tend to be supported. We just look at a different style of resident that moves in, perhaps a resident that has moved out or been moved out of a home or been relocated in connection with the recession. Thanks. That was really helpful. And Blake, I know you mentioned the repositioning assets actually having really good returns and from what you underwrote before. I mean, would you be able to give us an idea in terms of what that underwriting would be in terms of the rent growth expected on repositioning? You're talking about cap rate spreads on recycling? No, I'm talking about the like when you undertake a repositioning project on any of your apartments, the kind of rent growth you're underwriting on those versus what you're actually getting? Well, I know Blake referred to the fact that you're getting really good rent growth on those kind of projects. I'm just trying to put a number to that. Rich, you could hit. Sure. Yes. So let's highlight River Hill and Wimberley last year. Last year, we renovated about 25% of the units on those properties. We're seeing returns of 14% 20%. What that equates to on those 2 is, I'll say, a 1 or 2 month drop in total revenue, which impacts our non same store margins as we renovate those units and turn them out. And then a sustained $125 to $150 rent increase post renovation. We when I say sustained, I said about 160 units done on those two properties, we see it across the board. So we see new rent established in those properties, call it of 8% to 12% gains from pre acquisition to post repositioning and stabilized, notwithstanding organic increases in the submarket. Awesome. Thanks, Dan. Thanks, everyone. That's all for me. My pleasure. Thank you. There are no further questions. You may proceed. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you, everyone. That concludes our meeting this morning. And thank you for your interest in BSR REIT. And we look forward to speaking with you again following our Q1 2020 reporting. God bless and stay healthy. Goodbye. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a great day.