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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

Feb 6, 2024

Operator

Thank you very much for taking time out of your busy schedule, as well as in this bad weather, to gather here for our meeting. Now it is time to start financial results presentation meeting for the third quarter of FY 2023 for Eisai Company, Limited. We are holding this meeting online as well as in person, in a hybrid manner. We have delivered, the materials for your reference, the presentation material and, financial briefs as well, if you are attending in person in the venue. If you are attending online, please view the screen. I would like to introduce who are attending from the company: CFO, Mitsuru Shomon; Global AD Officer, Keisuke Naito. Now the floor is yours, CFO Mr. Shomon.

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

CFO Shomon. I will report our consolidated financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2023. We achieved an increase in revenue and operating profit, thanks to the growth of Lenvima and Dayvigo and appropriate cost control, and it made a good progress against our forecast for the fiscal year. Revenue was JPY 551.3 billion, at 101% of the previous year's level. The breakdown of revenue is shown below. Revenue from pharmaceutical business, our organic business, was JPY 528.1 billion. The growth of Lenvima and Dayvigo offset the factors decreasing revenue, and the revenue was almost the same as the previous year at 99%.

Due to one-time income from the execution of strategic options, which we have already reported, revenue from other businesses was JPY 23.2 billion, or 162% of the previous year's level. Cost of sales was JPY 119.2 billion, accounting for 21.6% of revenue, down 3.9 percentage points from 25.5% in the previous year due to an improved product mix and increased lump sum payment income. Gross profit was JPY 432 billion, up 6% year-on-year. Next, expense items. R&D expenses amounted to JPY 124.5 billion, up 3% year-on-year, but the ratio to sales was 22.6%, unchanged from the previous year.

Actual R&D expenses, after taking into account the amount borne by partners, amounted to JPY 170.3 billion, 97% of the previous year's level. Including profit sharing expenses of JPY 103.4 billion for Lenvima paid to Merck, and a reimbursement of profit sharing expenses of JPY 17.8 billion for Leqembi received from Biogen, SG&A expenses were JPY 271 billion, 99% of the previous year's level. As a financial discipline, we controlled increase of total expenses to be within the range of 6% increase of gross profit, and with total expenses staying flat year-on-year, OP increased significantly to JPY 37.5 billion, or 272% of the previous year's level.

Profit for the period was JPY 30.8 billion, 75% of the previous year's level, due to a decrease in income taxes in the previous year, resulting from a repayment of paid-in capital from a consolidated U.S. subsidiary. As shown in the balance sheet items of the net DER and a ratio of equity attributable to owners of the parent, the equity ratio, the financial soundness of the company continues to be solid. We promote a dividend policy that relies on financial soundness based on medium to long-term balance sheet management, rather than short-term PL. Our financial soundness is solid, and we will continue to pay dividends on a continuous and stable basis. This slide shows breakdown of revenue migration. In addition to the growth of Lenvima and Dayvigo in the pharmaceutical business, we have achieved an increase in revenue due to one-time income from other businesses.

As shown at the top left, sales revenue for the third quarter of fiscal year 2022 was JPY 546.2 billion. For the third quarter of this fiscal year, in the pharmaceutical business or our organic business, sales of Lenvima increased JPY 31.9 billion, or up 17% from a year earlier, and the sales of Dayvigo increased JPY 9.2 billion, or up 42% year-on-year, offsetting the revenue-decreasing factors, such as the transfer of commercial rights of Fycompa in the U.S. and the end of the partnership for Humira in Japan, which is included in products other than the above four items in the bar chart. Therefore, revenue in the segment was almost the same as the previous year.

In addition, there was a one-time income of JPY 12.3 billion from the transfer of all future economic rights for Elacestrant, and the revenue was JPY 551.3 billion, up JPY 5.1 billion year-on-year, securing 1% increase in revenue over the last year. This slide shows the breakdown of operating profit migration. While proactively investing in Leqembi, we have greatly improved the profitability by increasing revenues and reallocating expenses. As shown at the top left, OP for the third quarter of FY 2022 was JPY 13.8 billion, and for this third quarter of this year, OP increased due to growth of Lenvima and Dayvigo, a decrease in Fycompa-related expenses in the U.S. as a result of rights transfer, and reimbursement of lecanemab-related expenses received from Biogen.

Although we reallocated expenses from the profit increase to the proactive investment in Leqembi, the profit margin of the pharmaceutical business improved from 48.2% in the previous year to 51.1%, resulting in profit increase of JPY 13.4 billion. Although R&D expenses for Aduhelm decreased by JPY 6.1 billion from the previous year, they increased from the previous year due to proactive investment in Leqembi and the receipt of a regulatory milestone for Lenvima of 3.2, 3.2 billion yen from Merck in the previous year, resulting in a negative impact on profit of JPY 3.1 billion. Next is group headquarters' management costs and other expenses. This includes Aduhelm related losses and payment of the shared profit of Lenvima to Merck.

While Aduhelm-related expenses decreased by JPY 8.9 billion from a year earlier, and SG&A expenses and others were reduced, shared profit of Lenvima to Merck increased by JPY 12 billion, which is a positive expenditure due to sales expansion of Lenvima. With proactive investment and appropriate control of expenses, this item increased profit by JPY 4.9 billion. These factors increased the profit by JPY 15.2 billion. One-time payment in other businesses increased the profit further. Even though we spent a total of JPY 75 billion in R&D and SG&A expenses for Leqembi, OP for the period was JPY 37.5 billion, JPY 23.7 billion higher than the previous year, at 272% of the previous year's level. This slide shows the consolidated earnings forecast for FY 2023.

There is no change from the disclosure made in November. While continuing to proactively invest in Leqembi, we expect to achieve JPY 741 billion in revenue, 100% year-on-year, and JPY 51 billion in operating profit, up 27% year-on-year. This slide shows our financial strategy for maximizing corporate value over the medium to long term. We believe that our intrinsic value equals financial value plus a social impact, and this slide shows financial value, social impact, and the cost of capital, which is important when considering the corporate value. First, regarding financial value, our 10-year average PBR through 2023 is over 3.2 times, and our 10-year average PER is over 40 times. We will not fall into a short-term mindset, but rather we'll take a medium to long-term perspective in executing proactive investment in Leqembi to meet the expectations of our investors.

We expect ROE for FY 2023 to be 5.1%, and the 10-year average ROE through FY 2023 will be 8.7%. At present, we are aiming to create a positive equity spread based on at least 10-year average ROE, while flexibly increasing DOE to improve ROE in response to rapid growth in performance by Leqembi. Next is social impact. Personnel expenses, which are expensed for accounting purposes, are investments in human resources, and R&D expenses are investments in intangible assets in R&D and IP, which are not recorded on the balance sheet, but are very important as non-financial capital and lead to social impact. Looking at the operating profits over the past 10 years, they have fluctuated significantly due to one-time factors. On the other hand, we have been continuously investing in human resources, R&D, and IP.

In other words, personnel and R&D expenses without restricting them based on short-term thinking. Operating profit before personnel and R&D expenses, which is the sum of personnel and R&D expenses and OP, is used as ESG EBIT, one of the evaluation indicators of executive compensation, to strengthen non-financial capital and reduce risks for sustainable growth. We also consider social impact as a new axis of corporate evaluation, and we are promoting and disclosing the quantification of social and employee impact of Leqembi and the DEC tablets. In addition, we are working to enhance our value, creating creation platform in consideration of DE&I, diversity, equity, and inclusion. Through these efforts, we will continue to demonstrate our progress in achieving social goods and the sustainability of our business model. Next, cost of capital.

We are working to reduce the cost of shareholders' equity by lowering the uncertainty of the future through initiatives to create social impact and a proactive disclosure. With regard to the cost of debt, we were able to procure funds at a lower interest rate through the sustainability-linked loan in December last year. We will use these funds as well to efficiently realize social good. In addition to maximizing the value of Leqembi, we will continue to maximize our corporate value over the medium to long term through the development and launch of subsequent drugs in neurology area, as well as the enhancement of non-financial capital and proactive disclosure, disclosure. We would appreciate your continued understanding and support. This concludes financial part. From now on, myself, I am, going to speak regarding the current, status of the AD. I am Keisuke Naito, Global AD Officer.

Because of the dry air, I have a sore throat, but please allow me to speak with this voice. First of all, I would like to talk about Eisai's comprehensive pipeline strategy, which puts us at the frontier of Alzheimer's disease treatment. These are three important pathophysiologies of AD: A, abnormal amyloid aggregates; T, tau neurofibrillary tangles; N, neurodegeneration. Collectively, these are called ATN. We are conducting drug discovery and development based on the fundamental pathophysiological framework of AD, referred to as ATN. Leqembi, which I am going to talk about today, is the beginning of this approach. Currently, we are targeting patients with early AD. Preclinical AD trials and a combination therapy trial with anti-tau antibodies are currently underway.

... We believe that this drug will be the first step for mankind to fundamentally overcome this disease, AD. As for tau, a study of E2814 in dominantly inherited AD patients is ongoing. Eisai will continue to open a new page in the treatment of AD by linking the development results obtained along this framework to the elucidation of the pathophysiology of AD. Together with other patients and other families. Next, please. Here is the current status of America regarding Leqembi. This shows the map of U.S., showing the number of patients waiting for Leqembi treatment in each state. As confirmed by our field representatives, there are approximately 2,000 patients currently receiving treatment with Leqembi.

Based on the communication between our field representatives and the physicians, we know that there are approximately four times greater number of patients on the waiting list than the current number of patients receiving the treatment, so we understand that there is a great demand from patients as well. Based upon our various activities to date, we believe that as the diagnosis and the treatment pathways are established and implemented smoothly, such infrastructure is implemented smoothly, then we will be able to administer Leqembi to these patients who are waiting for the treatment. Therefore, in the coming few months, we expect that the number of patients who can receive this treatment will increase rapidly.

If you can look at this map, we have identified areas with particularly large numbers of patients waiting for treatment, such as New York, California, and Florida, and we will use this information to increase the resources in the field. As we have been introducing to you, Neurology Account Specialists or sales reps, specialized in neurology, NAS, will be increased so that we can deliver Leqembi to as many patients as possible. Next, I would like to discuss some indicators showing the sense of expectations for Leqembi in various markets. The number of vials was around 8,000 orders received in December. As you can see in this graph, total number of orders placed is steadily growing. As a background factor, as shown, a 2.9 in diagnosis and the treatment, the pathway.

After the pathway is established, around 4,000 patients are receiving Leqembi, which is 2.9-fold increase from pre-approval stage. Now, as for the testing, it has grown by fivefold after the reimbursement of insurance. The number of IDNs that received the P&T approval has increased. Already 55 IDNs are placing orders, showing steady progress. As for major insurance system in the United States, coverage is 100% for Medicare and Medicaid, and 70% for commercial insurance, resulting in securing access for around 90% of people who are potentially eligible to receive treatment for AD in the United States. As you can see from this, the total number of orders and background factor indicators are all growing.

Along with this, we believe that Leqembi is steadily penetrating the market. This slide shows the number of patients who continue to receive Leqembi treatment, as at the end of January, a weekly sales performance. Left is the number of patients on Leqembi, and the right side. The rather left pink part shows the number of patients. 2,000 patients are on Leqembi, and the right side, the blue graph, shows the weekly sales, and recently, weekly sales reached $1.5 million. Within the graph, there are red dotted lines, and these are showing the trends that are becoming steeper after the insurance reimbursement decision. As I have shown earlier, there is a need from medical institutions and the patients, and we believe that demand growth will further accelerate.

Now, in the United States healthcare market has numerous stakeholders, which makes it a complex market, and the needs are different from stakeholder to another. Therefore, the key is to provide information in integrated, coordinated fashion. To each of the stakeholders, we are addressing specialized staff that can accommodate the different needs, but so that there will be coordinated approach. As shown in the middle of the slide, we have NAS, Neurology Account Specialist, or NAS, and this NAS team is the central hub. And NASH is the command post, coordinating activities with various teams in the Eisai to meet the various needs of different stakeholders in the U.S. healthcare system. On the right side, this is one example.... On the left side, this is one example.

This is IDN in Southeast United States, and NAS is serving as a hub here, and MSL are also involved. Market access team is also involved to provide information to various stakeholders in the IDN. At this IDN, within the institution, there is a dedicated coordinator who oversees the processes of a diagnosis to treatment. And with IDN and our team are supporting and collaborating each other, which is characteristic of this example. As you can see in this example, there is a patient navigator, a dedicated coordinator, and this person is responsible for MRI-MRI scheduling, monitoring, APOE4 testing, genetic testing, consultation, prescription, and they can be administration. And not only in terms of processes, but amongst different staff from front desk managers, nurses, and prescribing physicians.

Within the institution, there are various stakeholders, and they are also coordinated to enable smooth diagnosis and treatment pathway. Within this IDN, 82 patients are continuing to receive the Leqembi treatment, and our team is working as one team to provide support. The right side is an example of community hospital in Northeast, the United States. This hospital has 12 infusion chairs, with 1 neurologist and 2 practice nurse practitioners. It is a small community hospital, and in this case, we are establishing a hub in a different way from our team. NAS is assigned to provide support on medical resources, and ARM is providing information on insurance reimbursement. After full approval, RTLL also became involved, who coordinate...

Which is a team to coordinate community KOLs and the nurse practitioners and community primary care physicians, neurologists in the neighboring hospitals. 80 patients are served by nurse practitioners who are working as a hub. We have been managing, or the processes of diagnosis to treatment is managed in a team structure by this community hospital. In a relatively short period of time, of about 4-5 weeks on average, from referral, treatment is possible. There are these various different go-to-market patterns in the United States, and based on the stakeholder, we are addressing the need flexibly. These are just examples of our go-to-market model in the U.S. To summarize, we are engaged in these activities, and through these activities, we are meeting the needs from the healthcare sector and also from the patients.

We see growing needs from both, and we are establishing a structure to address those needs, and we would like to continue with this accelerating trend. Currently, 2,000 patients are on Leqembi, and 10,000 is the target, which is rather challenging. But over the medium to long term, with triaging, with a BBM and confirmatory testing, we would also like to be able to expand our business also with the maintenance administration and subcutaneous formulation, to provide more convenience to patients. And we are making progress towards these medium to longer term milestones. Regarding Leqembi, we will be creating value and adding value, and we are making steady progress. Next, please.

Next, from here, I would like to turn to Japan. But before that, once again, I would like to discuss our history and efforts in Japan in dementia. In Japan, in 1983, dementia discovery, drug discovery started, which led to Aricept, and we launched Aricept in Japan. And at the time, dementia was called senility. Aricept was launched in 1999. Aging was thought to be the cause of senility, and dementia was not considered, considered a true disease, and people wondered if it should be treated with a drug. And however, dementia is a disease, not simply aging, and it requires not only medical intervention, but various other care. And through multidisciplinary fashion, such comprehensive care is required to treat dementia.

These activities are also supported by the government of Japan, and Orange Plan was established, and Community General Support Center is established, and the concept of coexistence is also launched. Last year, Basic Act was enacted, and Prime Minister Kishida also is holding a council on dementia and advocating early intervention, treatment, and the promotion of research and development, which is on the agenda of the council. As for the dementia, this is now recognized as a major social challenge. To address this social challenge in a solution-driven fashion, we are addressing this with the awareness that it is a social challenge. Next, please. Against this backdrop, we are providing Leqembi.

We believe that now the timing is ripe, and we held a Japan kickoff meeting on January 20th. This is not just an internal meeting, but we had participation of the physicians. In person, 500 participated, and virtually, 800 participated. A total of 1,300 people participated in this kickoff meeting for Japan. Physicians who participated in the trials gave presentations on clinical diagnosis, area management, and community collaboration, and how to interact with people with AD. There was a very comprehensive, active discussion. This is a go-to-market structure in Japan and information provisioning structure in Japan. First, 56 dementia area specializing MRs are meeting with top thought leaders in Japan to provide overall information on Leqembi and to collect information, and they are supporting the establishment of diagnosis and treatment pathway.

There are local collaboration medical local regional cooperation medical reps and MSLs who support diagnosis and the treatment pathway establishment. Total of 852 are approaching in all directional fashion. Oncology reps are also visiting radiologists. There are various different stakeholders in Japan to be able to meet their needs. We are also meeting with them and also sending emails to them, and we are collecting the data from these meetings and emails and store that data in the data lake to analyze, so we are able to determine the next action using this omni-channel approach. Next, progress after the launch. There is an OUG, and we are supporting the development of a diagnosis and treatment pathway, and we are seeing steady progress here, although it is taking time because of OUG.

Under OUG, in addition to physicians who meet the requirements, the seminars are given. 800-900 facilities meet the requirement, and physicians have to have 10 years or more of the experience of treating dementia, and they also have to receive seminars from the Japan Society for Dementia Research, Japanese Psychogeriatric Society, and area training as well, which is organized by Eisai. About 100 patients are now on Leqembi in Japan after the launch. By March, there is going to be about 300 patients who will be on Leqembi. As shown in this graph, there are facilities that have concluded a confirmation document to receive delivery of Leqembi. We expect that number to increase further.

Now, development of optimal treatment and diagnosis pathway. Here, region by region, conditions are different, but roughly speaking, there are two different patterns. First of all, the pink part and blue part, these show different patterns. First, the pink part. Clinical psychology test, MRI, A-beta test, infusion, these are processes in the initial introduction, and it can be done by physicians and local universities or core hospitals will do this initial introduction, and after which there will be referral and collaboration with local community institutions. Blue pattern is where a physician will complete the process other than A-beta testing. A-beta testing will be provided in the community facility. In this case, or in both of these cases, there is a need of collaboration within the community, which is very important, especially in blue pattern from initial infusion.

After six months, even outside of the initial infusing facility, infusion will become possible. This is a crucial factor. Follow-up facility pathway establishment also is in need of support, depending on the situation in each local area. Those are the two basic patterns, but there are different needs from one locality to another. We would like to make sure to support those different needs through collaboration, and would like to complete establishment of diagnosis and treatment pathway for around 800 facilities before the end of the fiscal year. Now, as I mentioned, regarding Japan, we are also making efforts to build dementia ecosystem, and pharmacology treatment alone is not sufficient in many cases. Is combination with digital perfect? That is not the case.

We need various different and various other approaches. However, digital can be an important means, and use of digital technologies is pursued by Theoria Technologies. Aging, a high risk consultation treatment to preparation for care, these are different stages, different from disease staging, and this is one way to look at this. In each of these stages, we would like to utilize capabilities of our group companies. For example, in aging stage, we have a Quick Karte where information can be provided on patients' information. NouKNOW is a simplified brain health examination application, which can be used in higher risk stage, and there may be awareness of a condition, and that may lead to that person seeking consultation or treatment.

Then, at the consultation treatment stage, we can also evaluate the treatment effectiveness, et cetera, with the AI tools that are being developed. For preparation of care, we would also like to utilize tools, since the patients are now connected with the institutions providing care in the consultation and treatment stage. We would like to continue to use Sasae-ai app to continue to connect the patients and caregivers and other specialists. As shown in pink, we are also collaborating with various different industries. In various different stages, we would like to relieve anxieties of patients. Over medium to long term, a major impact is expected in the treatment of preclinical AD.

Globally, the population of preclinical AD is estimated to be 135 million, and here we expect 350 million is the estimated population, where we expect to be able to make a huge patient contribution. These are earlier stage patients, and the symptoms are more difficult to detect. BBM, blood biomarkers, and simplified screening through BBM to become more widely available is very important. If BBMs become more widely available, then it also means that lecanemab treatment will become possible for many more preclinical AD patients. And further development of BBMs is necessary, and in the early stage of AD continuum, in the preclinical AD, we would like to make contribution to patients.

As shown at the outset, these are the keys in ATN, which is to develop a fundamental treatment, and this is the next generation anti-MTBR tau antibody. The MTBR tau propagating species are captured in the extracellular space, leading to potential treatment by inhibiting the spread of neurofibrillary tangles. The POM is such that MTBR tau 243, a biomarker specific for tau neurofibrillary tangles in AD, was reduced by E2814 administration in DIAD patients. As tau next gen, lecanemab and E2814 combination regimen is tested in phase 2/3 trial. Target population is scheduled to be expanded to not only DIAD, but sporadic AD patients based on MTBR tau pathophysiology.

In combination with anti-amyloid antibody, higher clinical efficacy will be pursued and broader population will be targeted, so that we can establish the next generation AD standard of care. And as I mentioned, briefly, a new BBB, new biomarkers for A-beta and tau, development of such new biomarkers will be also key to enable earlier treatment, and we will continue to put efforts in these areas. This is my final slide. Leqembi is the world's first AD treatment, targeting A-beta in the ATN framework. It has been approved in the United States, Japan, and China for the treatment of early AD, and establishment of new diagnosis and treatment pathway has just begun.

By collaborating with stakeholders, we aim to establish simple diagnosis and treatment pathway to deliver Leqembi to all who need it through achieving smooth operation in clinical diagnosis, A-beta testing, infusion, ARIA monitoring, A-beta testing, including PET, CSF, BBM.

... infusion error monitoring, as well as realizing of maintenance therapy and subcutaneous formulation, and enabling a wide use of BBM. From prevention to treatment, we would like to provide a comprehensive solution, not limited to pharmacological treatments. And we will also accelerate establishment of a comprehensive dementia ecosystem to offer abundant options from prevention to treatment, including solutions beyond drugs. Thank you for your continued attention.

Operator

Now, we would like to open the floor for Q&A session. Analysts and investors from the floor will be received first, and then we'd like to receive question from the media. If you'd like to ask a question, please mention your name and your affiliation first. Among analysts and investors, do you have any questions? The person by the window, please have the floor.

Seiji Wakao
Senior Analyst, JP Morgan

Thank you very much for your presentation. My name is Wakao. I am from J.P. Morgan. My first question is about the current status in the United States of Leqembi, and over the coming several years, what is going to be your forecast of the demand in the world?

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

Keisuke Naito-san has explained, 10,000 patients in the United States seems to be a little bit challenging, so I think that it is taking more time than expected. According to the newspaper report, in 2025-2026, and the demand will exceed the supply, therefore CDM will be utilized. So the demand forecast in the world and also ramp-up of the supply to meet the demand, I feel- believe that you have become more confident. So could you please give us your take? Mr. Yasuno, who is in charge of U.S., will respond to your question about the current status in the U.S.

Yes. Thank you for your question. I am in charge of the U.S. market. My name is Yasuno. Let me explain regarding the current status in the U.S. As Mr. Naito explained, the Leqembi in the United States is penetrating steadily into the market. At various medical institutions, establishment of a diagnosis and a treatment pathway, and also operation and implementation of those pathways are being accelerated. And the growth is also accelerated in line with that. Leqembi, it's a very new class of a drug, as you know. Therefore, our team is trying to establish from scratch awareness raising of a disease and diagnosis and administration and ARIA monitoring. Wide-ranging diagnosis and treatment pathway is being constructed through collaboration with relevant facilities and institutions.

As we explained today in detail, utilizing the slide deck and the NAS, who is playing a role as a quarterback in the field, the neurology account specialists who are working with the various stakeholders in neurologists and infusion centers and nurse practitioners and the PET/MRI technicians. Together with these multi-stakeholders, they are engaging with them in order to develop the diagnostic methodology, such as cognitive function measurement, amyloid beta testing and administration method, and ARIA monitoring, and also the referral from neurologists to infusion centers. Through these discussions, they are considering how smoothly diagnosis and the treatment pathway can be established and implemented smoothly. Today, we shared with you two examples in the United States.

Such initiatives are taking place at various places in the United States, and we have heard that the start of that treatment with Leqembi is increasing day by day at various institutions. As we introduced today, currently, a little over 2,000 patients are receiving treatment with Leqembi as of today. Regarding the target of 10,000 patients for this year, we have set this number as the target for this year. However, as of today, this seems to be challenging a target. However, IDN or community neurologists' readiness is steadily enhancing. Therefore, in the coming several months, we believe that the number increase of the number of patients on treatment will be accelerated. That is our expectation. I mentioned - we mentioned the number of patients who are waiting for the treatment today, and such patients will start to receive Leqembi gradually.

On top of that, not only the target for this year, but we are taking the medium to long-term plan for expanding the great value of Leqembi, like SC formulation, as well as the simplification of the blood-based biomarker. Also, the diagnosis and treatment pathway can be accelerated as well as simplified, and in over 100,000 patients from FY 2026 onward. By expanding indication to include a preclinical AD, we expect to see further contribution to the patients, many more patients. Therefore, we are making steady progress towards the increase of value of Leqembi in the medium to long term. Achieving the 10,000 patients by the end of this fiscal year seems to be the end of this fiscal year, at the end of March.

But maybe what, by 1 or 2 months, delay, like, you will be able to achieve this target by April or May? Well, honestly speaking, there are so many patients who are waiting for the treatment, so as soon as possible, we would like to establish the treatment pathway, so that we can contribute to the patient, 10,000 patient or more. So I don't think that there will be much delay from that plan. My second question is about the update on the SC formulation development. By the end of March, I understood that you were planning to file for submission. When J.P. Morgan Healthcare Conference was held, at that meeting, Biogen people said that the 6-month data had been already submitted. However, 12-month data are going to be submitted for consultation. That's what they said.

Seiji Wakao
Senior Analyst, JP Morgan

Is it going to be changed to what you already mentioned? Or do you think that you are making proactive discussion with the authorities? Could you please comment on that? For that question, Dr. Lynn Kramer is going to respond from the United States.

Lynn D. Kramer
Chief Clinical Officer, Eisai

Yes, thank you. This is Lynn Kramer, the Chief Clinical Officer. Regarding this subcutaneous formulation, the six-month data was presented at CTAD, as you mentioned, and that was from the Clarity AD-OLE. We demonstrated that the PK and PD of this SC formulation is comparable to that of the IV, which we believe is strong support for the potential of the SC formulation. We're having a meeting with the FDA regarding the subcutaneous regulatory strategy and submission, and expect to finalize our approach at that meeting. We do plan to submit in this fiscal year by the end of March 2024. Does that answer your question?

Seiji Wakao
Senior Analyst, JP Morgan

Are you satisfied with the answer? Yes. Thank you.

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

Next question, please.

Kazuaki Hashiguchi
Senior Analyst, Daiwa Securities

I'm Hashiguchi from Daiwa Securities. First question is about the number of patients who are waiting to receive Leqembi in the United States.

2,000 multiplied by 8.4. So you expect about 8,000 patients to be waiting. What is... How is this trending since last year? I do not understand the definition of patients who are waiting.

So out of these patients who are waiting, how much percentage of patients will actually receive Leqembi? What is your expectation, and how long do you expect it to take before patients receive Leqembi?

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

That question will be addressed by Mr. Yasuno.

Tatsuyuki Yasuno
Chairman and CEO of Eisai Inc. and President of the Americas Region, Eisai

Thank you. This is Yasuno, responsible for the US business. As for the number of patients who are waiting to receive Leqembi, that is based on our NAS in the field. The team of NAS, each individual on the team, is covering the facilities and the physicians. And through the engagement of our NAS, they are gathering information of how many patients are waiting to receive Leqembi. Also from each individual doctors, and based on the understanding of the doctors, NAS is collecting information, and this is the number that is calculated in this bottom-up fashion. And the number that we are sharing with you today is as of the middle of January, and it has changed since then, as of now.

In comparison to before, day by day, the number is increasing. As for the definition, neurology specialists have diagnosed cognitive function disorder and have determined the person to be eligible to receive Leqembi, and those are early AD patients. As for the timeline, there are those who may be able to receive within 1 month or within 2 or 3 months.

Kazuaki Hashiguchi
Senior Analyst, Daiwa Securities

That is all. Thank you. So, do you expect most of the patients who are waiting will, in the end, receive Leqembi? That is how it is understood by the physicians. As for the slide number 2, as for the sharing of the profit of Leqembi, it seems that in comparison to the previous fiscal year, it seems that expense is increasing, profitability is deteriorating. What is your future outlook?

When do you expect the peak will be reached for the spending? Has it already peaked? Profit and loss of Leqembi, when do you expect that to hit bottom?

Keisuke Naito
Global AD Officer, Eisai

That question will be addressed by Mr. Shomon.

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

This is, Shomon, CFO. Let me address that question first.

Keisuke Naito
Global AD Officer, Eisai

Please, speak into the microphone.

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

My apologies. I hope you can hear me okay. First, about operating profit level, it may be declining, was the question. After full approval of Leqembi, we are accelerating the spending on Leqembi, and that is why-

... that is happening. As for Leqembi in the United States, we would like to turn profitable in fiscal 2025. That is the timeline that we are expecting. So in fiscal 2024, do you expect a temporary deterioration? And is spending near its peak, or do you continue to expect the increase in spending in fiscal 2024? Spending will increase, but we also expect an increase in sales, so we do not anticipate much change in profit and loss. Thank you.

Lynn Kramer
Chief Clinical Officer, Eisai

The person in the front row, please.

Fumiyoshi Sakai
Analyst, UBS

My name is Sakai from UBS. According to your explanation today, your initiatives have been explained in details. On the other hand, I think at the information meeting led by your CEO, FY 2030, the JPY 1 trillion in revenue is expected for Leqembi in FY 2030. In order to maximize the Leqembi's value for the longer term, but JPY 1 trillion may be taking its own course. But once you have disclosed this number, I believe that you needed to verify how you are making progress against your target. Although it seems to be far into the future, but we are not able to say that as an excuse. So JPY 1 trillion, so it's like an uphill struggle, in English phrase.

So towards that number, so based upon that, if there is any other opportunity at the next time of the financial briefing, perhaps you could give us more detailed your analysis or realistic view about the achievability. For example, the target number for three years from today, and then I will be able to understand how you mean, what you mean by this long-term value maximization of Leqembi.

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

I would like to ask, Keisuke Naito to respond.

Keisuke Naito
Global AD Officer, Eisai

Thank you very much for your question. As I have mentioned, there is a ATN framework, not only Leqembi, but we have a much longer view or timeframe in order to overcome, this disease of AD. In that process, for example, there are numbers to as a passing points, but we, as I said earlier, we are in the middle of infrastructure establishment, which may take time, and also the market situation will change over time. So in response to those changes, as I explained in my slides, there are KPIs as indicators, including the information about the environment. These could be presented to you as appropriately.

Fumiyoshi Sakai
Analyst, UBS

Understood. Thank you very much.

On page seven, there was the table, a map of the U.S., showing the areas with the higher number of the waiting patients, because of the success of your initiatives ongoing, or rather, in other areas, you are not doing much for establishing infrastructure. I believe that the states in the United States are rather independent, and the demographics are different from a state to state. So based upon this map you presented, what message should we understand in order to predict or have a guideline, guidance for the future of the company?

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

Mr. Naito is going to respond, but rather, Mr. Yasuno

Tatsuyuki Yasuno
Chairman and CEO of Eisai Inc. and President of the Americas Region, Eisai

I would like to supplement. Both are true regarding your question. The states with the pale colors will be promoted in order to increase the numbers of the patients who are waiting. But we have some prediction available based upon the current information. That's what I wanted to mention.

I don't have any supplemental comments. It's not that these states with the pale color are the places where we are not doing well. But overall, we have the field network covering the entire U.S., but because of the difference in the demographics, there are some differences. But our field team is covering the entire nation of the U.S., so thanks to their efforts, we have obtained this information.

Lynn Kramer
Chief Clinical Officer, Eisai

From Citigroup Securities, Yamaguchi-san, please, who is participating online.

Speaker 14

Can you hear me? Can you hear me?

Lynn Kramer
Chief Clinical Officer, Eisai

Yes, please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Thank you for taking my question. I have two quick questions. First, about the cumulative number of patients who continue to be on Leqembi. Thank you for sharing that information. Looking at this, after paid reimbursement, it is trending upward, but according to simple calculation, maximum may be even 40,000, 50,000, beyond the 10,000. Or 4,000 or 5,000, and not rather 10,000. So it seems to be more difficult than just challenging. So you may be able to barely reach 10,000 or so, and is that why you're keeping that target? What do you mean by challenging? Looking at this number, it seems the 10,000 target is quite difficult. What is your take on that number?

Lynn Kramer
Chief Clinical Officer, Eisai

Mr. Yasuno will respond.

Tatsuyuki Yasuno
Chairman and CEO of Eisai Inc. and President of the Americas Region, Eisai

I am Yasuno, responsible for the United States. As you pointed out, a trend line, if that is extended linearly, that may be the calculation that you've indicated. But today we have shown green line and red line, and the steepness of the line is different. It's becoming steeper. January, and today the number is 2,000. But just a few minutes ago, according to the latest information, in just one week, the patient number has increased by a few hundred. So the steepness of the line will become even steeper. That is what we expect. That is our expectations. But to reach 10,000 remains challenging. That is true.

Speaker 14

Thank you. Second question, on a different topic about Lenvima, about the patent extension.

Keisuke Naito
Global AD Officer, Eisai

Towards settlement to be reached with a generic manufacturer. I understand that there are discussions ongoing, but regarding the extension of a patent, is there any interaction with the generic manufacturer? Is there any update? Dr. Owa will respond.

Takashi Owa
Chief Scientific Officer, Eisai

Mr. Yamaguchi, thank you for your question. This is Owa speaking. First, about the expiry of a substance patent of Lenvima, and Yamaguchi-san's question is about high purity patent. But as for a pediatric development, progress is smooth, and we expect a six-month extension of patent in both the United States and Europe. And in 2025, will there be loss of exclusivity? We don't think so. And what is important, another point that is important is high purity patent.

The other day, at the earnings session for the first quarter, as we discussed during that session, we are very confident of this high purity patent. Lenvatinib is a drug that we carefully developed, and we have given much thought on how best to use this. And competition patent and high purity patent, we have a degree of confidence. As for the pending litigation in the United States about the patent and the progress thereof, this is a major issue, and we are not in a position to disclose information, so I would like to refrain from providing an update on that litigation. Thank you. Next, Mr. Muraoka from Morgan Stanley. Please unmute yourself.

Shinichiro Muraoka
Senior Analyst, Morgaon Stanley

Thank you very much. This is Muraoka of Morgan Stanley.

Keisuke Naito
Global AD Officer, Eisai

Thank you.

Shinichiro Muraoka
Senior Analyst, Morgaon Stanley

My first question is related to the earlier question about the short supply in 2025, which was reported in the Nikkei newspaper, because I don't think that there was a response to that question. So I would like to ask that again. And a Swiss plant in Switzerland, so Biogen, was said to be able to supply for 1 million patients, and I don't think that there is any issue of the short supply. So I would like to ask you whether you think my understanding is incorrect, or SOC formulation outsourced to Terumo, I think that is mixed together. So could you please explain again?

Keisuke Naito
Global AD Officer, Eisai

For that question, Mr. Tamura is going to respond. Mr. Muraoka, thank you very much. Could you please take off your mask?

Speaker 13

Yes, thank you very much for your question. I am in charge of manufacturing. My name is, Tamura. For maximization of value of Leqembi, we needed to have the ample capability for manufacturing to secure stable supply of the product. As you asked in your question, currently, our partner, Biogen, we are collaborating with them so that the active ingredients and also packaging and formulation and production, for these matters, we are collaborating with them. And the Swiss plant in Biogen, Biogen, the Swiss plant, we believe that they have a large capacity for manufacturing. And until five years from today, we believe that their production capacity will be enough.

But in order to respond to potential further increase in the demand, the second site or the second site for manufacturing may have to be considered, and which we have already started. As the pharmaceutical manufacturer, we have to take pride in being the manufacturer of products such as Leqembi. We would like to ensure stable supply of Leqembi going forward. Thank you for your question. Another question is about your forecast for next year. Earlier, Mr. Shomon said that bottom line will not be affected a lot, because it is expected to stay at flat. So regarding the cost expenditures, JPY 110 billion for both companies, and out of which, JPY 75 billion have been spent this year.

Shinichiro Muraoka
Senior Analyst, Morgaon Stanley

And also, what will be the forecast of the profits and 110 may be increased to JPY 140 billion-JPY 150 billion next year, based upon the current forecast. So is this the correct understanding?

Keisuke Naito
Global AD Officer, Eisai

Mr. Shomon is going to explain.

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

Well, thank you for your question. Let me respond to your question. Regarding the specific numbers, we are now currently in the process of preparing the plan for next year. Therefore, we'd like to refrain from making any specific comments, but for Leqembi, we will continue to make proactive investment into Leqembi going forward as well. Thank you for your question. So not expecting the peaking out next year, but above the level spent in 2024, you're expecting to spend more in 2025. Is it correct? We have forecast of the revenue or sales, but going forward, we'd like to look into the plan for expenditure. So FY 2025, particularly in the United States, we believe that we will be making profits. Thank you. Understood.

Takashi Owa
Chief Scientific Officer, Eisai

Due to time constraints, we would now like to take questions from the members of the media. If you have question, please raise your hand. Yes. Yes, please.

Speaker 14

I'm Susumu Shimoyama, nonfiction writer. I have two questions. First, the conditions of approval by the U.S. FDA included APOE4 status of patients to receive administration of Leqembi. I believe the APOE4 testing was a condition. In Japan, using MRI, APOE4 test is done away with. But in the United States, in reality, in actuality, after confirming APOE4 status, and so patients will also have the knowledge of this, which means that there is an involvement of genetic counselors before administration begins. Is that the case? And can the, can this be a hindrance? There are not too many genetic counselors. Can this be an obstacle?

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

Mr. Yasuno will address that question.

Tatsuyuki Yasuno
Chairman and CEO of Eisai Inc. and President of the Americas Region, Eisai

Thank you for your question. I'm Yasuno, responsible for the United States. FDA approval condition does mention APOE4 testing, but it is not that administration is prohibited unless APOE4 testing is done, and therefore it will not be an obstacle. It is not an obstacle to give Leqembi. And there are patients who are undergoing APOE4 testing, and there are those who, because of their intentions, do not receive APOE4 testing in reality, and it doesn't pose as an obstacle at all.

Speaker 14

I thought FDA condition was APOE4 status testing.

Tatsuyuki Yasuno
Chairman and CEO of Eisai Inc. and President of the Americas Region, Eisai

It was recommended. It is not conditional for Leqembi administration.

Speaker 14

I see. The second question, China, the U.S., and Japan, you already have approval, and according to Reuters, in China, in June, administration will begin. In other countries, especially in the E.U. and in the U.K., when do you expect to receive approval? Could you provide an update?

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

That question will be addressed by Dr. Lynn Kramer.

Lynn Kramer
Chief Clinical Officer, Eisai

Yes, thank you for the question. I'm Lynn Kramer, the Chief Clinical Officer. We expect approval in a number of countries, including the EU, Great Britain, Canada, Israel, and some additional countries over the next few months. Thank you.

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

Thank you. Are there any questions? Please raise your hand if you have any. The person in the second row from the front.

Speaker 12

Thank you. My name is Asano. I'm from The Yomiuri Shimbun. I would like to confirm with you the current status in Japan. On page 17, about 800 medical institutions in Japan, there will be a diagnosis and treatment pathway to be established. So these are considered to be the core initial medical institutions or including the hospitals in the vicinity, in the community of those core hospitals accounted as 800?

Tatsuyuki Yasuno
Chairman and CEO of Eisai Inc. and President of the Americas Region, Eisai

Well, Yusa is going to respond, because I am in charge of the new Japan commercial activities. Thank you for your question. Let me respond. As you said, the slide before that, these are the facilities, 800-900 facilities who are expected to introduce in a initial phase. Based upon the investigation done by our field force, we are updating this number, but at around 800 facilities, we are going to establish the treatment pathway first.

Speaker 12

That was... Thank you for your question. Thank you. So by the end of March, the 400 will be achieved as target? And currently, about 40 physicians are prescribing and administering Leqembi to patients. So I think that it is a kind of a smaller number than expected. So what is your view?

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

Yusa is going to answer that question again. Regarding 400 patients as target for this fiscal year, yes, this Leqembi was launched on December twentieth, and after the New Year's holiday, and I believe that in the number of business days, it's about one month after launch. And the optimal use guideline was issued at the same time as the launch, and therefore it was really challenging for establishing the diagnosis and treatment pathway after that.

... and by the end of last year, about 10 patients received a treatment. And also, the number of facilities which are capable of treating with Leqembi are increasing. And because of the impact of preparation required under the OUG, it is taking time, but we are very confident in achieving these 400 patients to receive treatment. And prescribing physician, number of prescribing physician seems to be a little bit smaller than expected. The adoption has been decided by over 200 medical institutions, and also ordering, the number of vials ordered is actually greater than the number of orderings by the existing already treating medical institutions. Therefore, we expect that the number of prescribers will increase as well. Thank you.

Operator

Madoka? Next question, please.

Speaker 14

Sakaguchi from Yakuji Nippo. On page 16, fiscal 2024, Leqembi patient forecast is given as 7,000 patients. With the drug price, it's about JPY 21 billion. Is that the expected size of sales? Mr. Yusa will respond.

Tatsuyuki Yasuno
Chairman and CEO of Eisai Inc. and President of the Americas Region, Eisai

Once again, this is Yusa speaking. 7,000 patient and how many hundreds of millions of JPY will that be in terms of sales? At the end of the fiscal year, 7,000 patients are to be on a drug. But of course, starting... When a patient has started receiving treatment, the number will be very different, even though the same drug price may be applied. So, I will refrain from answering that question, but next year we would like to make sure that we deliver our Leqembi to 7,000 patients.

Speaker 14

One more question about Lenvima. Maximum sales of JPY 500 billion was mentioned in the past, but there were study termination for LEAP studies. After these events, what is your take on this JPY 500 billion expected sales?

Takashi Owa
Chief Scientific Officer, Eisai

This is Owa, Chief Scientific Officer. First of all, as you have pointed out, last year in lung cancer, first line, second line, LEAP-006 and -008 studies, and in other studies, where Merck was leading clinical operations, in six LEAP studies, one after another, main primary endpoints were not achieved, and some were stopped before completing the studies.

Patients participating in the trials, their families, and medical professionals and shareholders, we were not able to meet the expectations of these various stakeholders. We are learning a very important lesson from here, and I would like to apologize for that. But with the clinical responsible persons of Merck, we have been scrutinizing the cause of these. And Keytruda combination with Merck's new drug, there are many phase 4 studies underway. For example, for gastric cancer and HCC and esophageal cancer, for GI cancers in first line, and fast-growing RCC in new regimen, first line, second line studies in phase 3 are also ongoing. That is the state of the clinical development.

Commercially, Lenvima and Keytruda combination is used in endometrial cancer and in RCC treatment, and the sales is driven from these indications. Earlier, as it was mentioned in the question and answer, there is also high-purity Lenvima patent. Taking all of these into consideration, how should we change our sales target? Currently, we are scrutinizing all of the information, and after that is done, we would like to provide an update. Thank you for your question. Thank you.

Mitsuru Shomon
CFO, Eisai

The person in the second row from the back, please have the floor.

Speaker 14

Thank you very much. My name is Kurose. I am from the Nikkei. If I may repeat a question about your target of 10,000 patients, which is challenging. After starting administration, have there been any issues that you have identified? And for that, in the United States, are you taking any measures against that? And in the Japanese market, you have 400 patients as a target, and you said that you are confident in achieving this. In the Japan market as well, have you ever identified any issues after starting administration with Leqembi in the United States? For the U.S. starters, could you please respond, Mr. Yasuno?

Tatsuyuki Yasuno
Chairman and CEO of Eisai Inc. and President of the Americas Region, Eisai

Yes. Thank you very much. Yasuno speaking. Let me respond to your question. In the U.S., after starting administration, have there been any issues we identified? No. As we explained today, before starting administration, the diagnosis and treatment pathway establishment is really different from one institution to another medical center. IDN and community neurologists-

... We are working with them both, and also it differs from a region to another, and, how many, collaborating hospitals, one particular core hospital has in the community. So based upon different situations, diagnosis and treatment pathway needs to be established, and that is very complex process. That is exactly what they are doing in each region, and is right now starting to implement and operating that pathway, which is expected to be accelerated going forward. If you could understand such, thank you. I would appreciate. And regarding the status in Japan, Mr. Yusa is going to answer.

Yes, thank you for your question. Yusa is going to respond. As have been explained about the US status, in terms of establishment of the pathway in Japan, we believe that we shared exactly the same issue here in Japan as well.

The issues that are becoming visible now is, for example, for those patients who may be potentially diagnosed with MCI, we needed to have a strategy to entice them to see doctor, to seek doctor's consultation, as you know, because those patients with MCI do not feel any obstacles in their daily lives. Therefore, we have to take measures so that they can be enticed to seek the consultation of the medical professionals. Regarding collaboration among medical institutions, we believe that we are making acceleration, and there has been a acceleration in the collaboration. And other potential challenges are, for example, asking patients to see and visit hospitals every two weeks. For those patients with the mild dementia as well as MCI, this could be very positive way.

And also CDR diagnosis, if you would like to do this thoroughly, and then it will be very difficult, but CDR to be done accurately by preparing the materials for precise CDR. So these are the measures that we are implementing. Thank you for your question. Next will be the final question. I see a hand from online participant, Hyodo-san from Toyo Keizai, please. Please unmute and please start with your question.

Speaker 14

Earlier, there was already an answer to my question. Thank you.

Operator

We would like to bring to a close today's.

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