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Earnings Call: Q2 2024

Nov 7, 2023

Satoshi Kimura
Senior Managing Executive Officer and Director, Hitachi Zosen

This is Kimura speaking. Thank you for attending our second quarter results briefing for the fiscal year ending March 2024. We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your daily support and understanding towards our company operations. Today, I will provide the financial data, including the overview of the second quarter results and the future business outlook. Please turn to page four. The key highlights for the second quarter of fiscal year 2023 are following the Q2 performance of the previous fiscal year, where the operating income turned into black, we achieved profitability at the ordinary income and net income levels for the first time in 11 years. We made an upward revision of our forecast net sales, operating income, ordinary income, and net income.

Regarding the two biomass power projects which delivery has been delayed, we completed the delivery of one plant as of end of September and plan to make delivery of the other plant in December. We are seeing steady progress in other domestic and overseas projects in each segment, leading to the upward revision of the full-year forecast. Let me give more details by turning to page five. This page covers the overview of the actual performance. As for the revised full-year forecast of fiscal year 2023, details are shown at the bottom of the slide. Order intake is up JPY 27.9 billion from the first half of the previous fiscal year to JPY 346.7 billion. In the first half of this year, Inova won two large scale O&M projects at Slough and Earls Gate in U.K.

We are seeing a steady progress in winning O&M orders after sale service operation and maintenance, excluding Inova, and the orders are remaining at a high level continually. We have also received an early O&M order for the onshore wind project in Mutsu Ogawara, Aomori Prefecture. Based on such progress, we made an upward revision of the full-year order intake to JPY 620 billion at the point of the first quarter results announcement. So far, the progress rate of the order intake versus the revised full-year forecast is 56%. Net sales were JPY 232.1 billion, up JPY 24.9 billion year-on-year, mainly due to the increase in the environment business. The progress rate of the net sales versus the revised forecast is 43%. Operating income improved by JPY 1 billion versus the previous fiscal year to JPY 1.1 billion.

Ordinary income also improved by JPY 4.6 billion year-on-year to JPY 1.9 billion due to the improvements in gain and losses on investment by the equity methods and the foreign exchange. Net income attributable to shareholders of Hitachi Zosen improved by JPY 3.5 billion year-on-year to JPY 300 million. ROE forecast in fiscal year 2023 is shown below the chart at 9.0%. Please move to page six. Here are the results of order intake, net sales, and operating income by segment in the second quarter. I would like to explain the year-on-year comparison. First is the order intake. Environment segment increased by JPY 25.7 billion year-on-year. Positive factors were the increase of Inova Group by JPY 31.3 billion offsetting the decline in non-Inova EPC and electricity sales. The increase in the Inova Group is due to winning the large-scale O&M orders as explained earlier.

The large-scale orders of Inova and non-Inova environment EPC are both expected to be received in the second half. Machinery and infrastructure business is down JPY 6.6 billion on a year-on-year basis. Press machine was brisk in the first half at JPY 10.2 billion, up JPY 1.7 billion year-on-year. On the other hand, we saw a large decline in precision machinery and semiconductor related business due to the sluggish market condition. Carbon neutral solution business was up JPY 12.3 billion year-on-year. Engine increased JPY 3.6 billion, process equipment declined JPY 3.1 billion, and wind power increased JPY 10.6 billion. Next is net sales. Environment business increased by JPY 26.1 billion year-on-year. On the other hand, delivery delay of biomass projects led to a drop of JPY 6.1 billion. Electricity sales and operations business declined by JPY 7.1 billion as a result of optimizing the balance between the power source procurement and supply.

These declines were offset by the other EPCs and the O&M. However, the overall environment business, excluding Inova, dropped by JPY 4.5 billion. Meanwhile, the Inova Group had a steady progress in the construction schedules, leading to an increase of JPY 30.6 billion. Machinery and infrastructure business increased by JPY 1.7 billion year-on-year. Press machine was up JPY 1.7 billion, infrastructure up JPY 3.2 billion, while Precision Machinery went down JPY 2.2 billion and others declined by JPY 800 million. Carbon neutral solution business increased by JPY 400 million year-on-year. Engine dropped by JPY 1.2 billion but processed equipment decarbonization systems and wind power et cetera increased by JPY 1.8 billion. Let me explain the operating income later when we get to page 13. Next is page seven, our business forecast for fiscal year 2023.

With the second quarter results announcement, we made an upward revision of net sales by JPY 20 billion and operating income by JPY 1 billion. The segment breakdown of the upward revisions in net sales and operating income are shown in the difference column B minus A, which is on the right side. On page eight, the same column shows the breakdown of the revision for the overall environment business. I would like to skip the details. Now I will explain the full year forecast of this fiscal year 2023 by segment using the following pages. Please go to page nine. First is the environment business excluding Inova. The order intake was affected by the selection of new biomass power projects and the lost EPC projects in the first half, leading to a decline of JPY 13 billion.

On the other hand, we received four projects of improvement in retrofit, including the plant in Otaru City, Hokkaido, as well as four projects of long-term O&M, including the plant in Kanoya City, Kagoshima Prefecture, leading to an increase of JPY 13 billion. As the drop in sales from EPC biomass power projects was offset by the increase in orders in the O&M business, net sales were up by JPY 1 billion. Operating income was down by JPY 1 billion. This was mainly driven by the cost overruns in the EPC biomass power projects, which had a drop of JPY 2.4 billion. In the O&M business, long-term operations and O&M grew while the electricity sales improved due to lower market procurement costs, leading to a JPY 1.4 billion increase in income.

Next is the Inova Group. Order intake increased by JPY 79 billion. There was a decrease of JPY 24 billion by reviewing EPC projects, and an increase of JPY 103 billion in continuing operations, including an upward revision of JPY 90 billion in the first quarter. Net sales increased by JPY 19 billion. Although EPC experienced delays in some construction projects like Rockingham and Moscow due to factors such as the COVID-19 and Ukraine situations, delays in order booking happened. This year, the projects such as Rivenhall and Riverside 2 are making good progress, and supported by the weak yen, we were able to see the revenue increase of JPY 17 billion. Even in continuing operations, subsidiaries' revenue increased by JPY 2 billion. Steinmüller, which we acquired last year, is also contributing to orders and sales. Operating income increased by JPY 2 billion.

EPC's profit increased by JPY 2.5 billion due to the steady progress of construction, but profit from O&M business decreased by JPY 500 million. We have revised the exchange rate applied to the full year forecast from JPY 130 -JPY 155 per Swiss franc, as shown at the bottom right. This effect is included in the change amount. The impact by the FX rate revision was JPY 36.9 billion for the order intake, JPY 32.3 billion for net sales, and JPY 1.8 billion for operating income. Page 10 shows the changes in the machinery and infrastructure business forecast from the beginning of the fiscal year. Order intake will remain unchanged, although there will be some ups and downs within each segment.

Net sales increased by JPY 4 billion due to the after-sale service for press machines, precision equipment due to large scale food and pharmaceutical equipment, project in China, and increased orders from group company IMEX, and infrastructure sales from water gates and stacks. Operating income remains unchanged. Slide 11 shows the changes in the forecast for the carbon neutral solution business from the beginning of the year. Order intake remained unchanged from the revised JPY 10.5 billion in Q1. Net sales decreased by JPY 4 billion, mainly because of a JPY 4 billion decrease in revenue after reviewing the Mutsu Ogawara wind power generation process. Operating income remains unchanged for the division, as the deterioration in engines caused by the increased material cost for overseas procured items due to weaker yen was offset by increased profits, pressure vessels, and nuclear power in the process equipment.

Page 12 shows trends in order backlog and sales by year. The order backlog at the end of September 2023 was JPY 1 , 478.7 billion. The order backlog for the environment is approximately JPY 1.3 trillion, of which JPY 786.1 billion is for long-term operations, which is steadily increasing. Looking at the order backlog breakdown by the year, the second half of FY 2023 will be JPY 310.5 billion, and when combined with the second quarter sales, we have secured the sales of JPY 542.6 billion for the year. Page 13 is a breakdown of changes in operating income for Q2.

Operating income improved by JPY 1 billion year-on-year. This included an increase of JPY 2.2 billion due to improvements in the power sales business and long-term operation business in the environment O&M business, JPY 1.4 billion due to improvements in Inova Group Steinmüller, and a JPY 400 million increase in machinery and infrastructure due to an increase in infrastructure profits. On the other hand, environmental EPC, excluding the Inova Group, decreased by JPY 3 billion, but this was mainly due to the deterioration in two biomass projects. Page 14 shows the quarterly plans and results for net sales and operating income. Our domestic business is centered on public projects, and as per the fiscal cycle, earnings are concentrated in the second half, especially in Q4. Operating income turned positive in Q2 due to growth in overseas business, revenue, and improvements in other businesses.

This fiscal year, although we struggled in Q1, both sales and operating income exceeded our plans in the second quarter. Page 15 is non-operating income and loss, and extraordinary income and loss. Non-operating income and loss was JPY 800 million due to an improvement of JPY 900 million in equity method investment profit at Naikai Shipbuilding, and JPY 2.2 billion improvement in FX gain and loss. Page 16 is a consolidated balance sheet. Total assets decreased by JPY 21.1 billion from the end of previous year to JPY 459.5 billion due to decreases in trade notes accounts receivable. Cash and deposits were JPY 85.2 billion. Interest-bearing debt was JPY 86.9 billion. As stated below the table, net interest-bearing debt was JPY 1.7 billion. Liabilities decreased by JPY 22.2 billion- JPY 316.1 billion due to a decrease in notes and accounts payable after abolishing some notes, and an increase in contract assets.

Net assets increased by JPY 2.1 billion from the end of last year to JPY 143.4 billion due to an increase in non-controlling interests. The shareholders' equity ratio at the end of Q2 was 30%. Page 17 is the consolidated cash flow statement. Cash flow from operating activities for the first half decreased by JPY 21.4 billion year-on-year to JPY 8.2 billion, mainly due to the impact of JPY 13 billion from the abolition of certain notes. Cash flow from investing activities was - JPY 16.6 billion due to expenditures of JPY 6 billion for NAC's acquisition of Niagara Energy Products business, and JPY 5.1 billion in time deposits with terms of more than three months. Other increases and decreases marked with star are the JPY 3.5 billion capital increase through third party allocation from Imabari Shipbuilding to Hitachi Zosen Marine Engine.

Combined with changes in cash equivalent and the balance at the beginning of the period, the balance at the end of the period was JPY 78.4 billion, a decrease of JPY 9.4 billion year-on-year. Page 18 shows the results of financial information from FY 2020 - FY 2022, and the forecast for FY 2023. As I have explained so far, we revised upwards all orders, sales, and profit items in Q2 of the first year of Forward 25. The entire company will work to achieve the new business forecast for fiscal 2023. We look forward to your continued guidance and support. Thank you very much for your attention.

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

This is Mino, President of Hitachi Zosen. First, I would like to thank you for attending our financial results briefing out of your busy schedule today. Also, I would like to extend my appreciation for your interest in and your support for our company. We have announced the change of our company name to Kanadevia starting from October 2024 as we embark into a new journey. I would like to once again explain the background of this change using this occasion. From the inception of the company, Hitachi Zosen Group has worked to establish social infrastructure and solve environmental issues with its technology and sincere approach, and has contributed to building a prosperous society. This is also based on the spirit of our founder, E.H. Hunter, and the company history of challenging to meet the needs of each era.

When the shipbuilding division spun off in 2002, we had the ambition to become the top company and continue providing Hitz business and products, which led to the company named Hitachi Zosen with the nickname of Hitz, as we tried to explore various business opportunities. Meanwhile, our business environment has largely shifted in the past 20 years. Firstly, the global environment issues have become an imminent challenge. Secondly, our company started to expand our business globally, leading to an increased responsibility to meet as an organization towards achieving sustainability in the society and global environment. Against this changing environment, we decided to set our group wide mission Taking on the challenge through the power of technology to create a world that lives in balance with nature.

Based on this direction, we unfolded many discussions for the company name that would reflect the group appropriately, and finally decided on the new name as announced previously. The new company name, Kanadevia, is a coined word combining a Japanese word, kanaderu, for playing music in harmony, and a Latin word, via, for way or method. Each company in the Kanadevia Group will respect diversity and strive for technological innovation in order to build a way that brings harmony between mankind and nature, just like the harmony played by an orchestra. Building a way means challenging ourselves in the unexplored world, which also represents courage and fortitude. Since the company was found in 1881, our predecessors' accumulated efforts have led to our 143 years of history.

The change in the company name will enable a sustainable growth to achieve both our long-term 2030 vision and our sustainable vision, which goals are set by 2050. Under the new name, Kanadevia, we will strive to build a society with harmony between mankind and nature for a future that brings universal happiness. We will use the blessing of nature, support its work, and will be well prepared for threats in order to bring smile to the next generation. We will continue to adopt technological innovation to meet various changes, maintain a strong growth and unlock our future, which is full of possibilities. We sincerely appreciate your continued support. Let me now explain our actual order intake in the first half of fiscal year 2023, and give some color for each business.

The main orders in the first half of this fiscal year are shown on page 21 for domestic projects and page 22 for overseas projects. For the domestic waste-to-energy plants, we won the order for 15-year operations for the plant in Kanoya City, Kagoshima Prefecture, as well as the improvement in retrofit for the plants in Jōyō City, Kyoto Prefecture, as well as Otaru City, Hokkaido. In the carbon neutral solution business, we won the 20-year O&M order for the onshore wind project in Mutsu Ogawara, Aomori Prefecture, which we are working with ITOCHU Corporation. On page 22, we have the overseas business by Inova, our group company, who won 25-year O&M orders for two waste-to-energy plants in U.K. Inova has been working to expand the O&M business in order to secure a stable and recurring source of income, which efforts are starting to bear fruit.

In Blankenheim, Germany, we have a joint venture with Biogeen, a German energy company, for the purification and liquefaction of biogas. Under this scheme, we will not only supply equipment but also sell the purified and liquefied biogas as well as the CO2, which is separated and removed in the purification process. Page 23 shows the main projects of the environment business excluding Inova. We have updated the progress of each project, but would like to skip the details today as there are no major changes from the financial results presentation back in May. Next is page 24, where we have the main projects of Inova Group. The fifth project from the top is Newhurst U.K., which completed its construction in May this year since the start in 2020.

Although we faced increased cases of COVID-19 pandemic and a supply chain disruption due to the war in Ukraine, we were able to complete delivery on schedule. On the other hand, the fourth from the top is Rockingham, Australia, where we faced a large delay in construction due to the impact from COVID-19, and we are now discussing with our clients and consortium partners the potential pushback of delivery. There is a progress in the discussion to form agreement, and the majority of the impact to the EPC business is already factored in the guidance. Let me now explain the business update. Page 25 is the environment business excluding Inova. As for the domestic waste treatment facilities and water business, there is no major change in the business environment.

As explained in the financial section earlier, we have some cost overruns in the biomass power plants in this fiscal year, which we expect to offset with the overall environment business.

In the electricity sales, their profitability deteriorated in the previous fiscal year due to rise in JEPX market prices. In this fiscal year, we are striking a better balance between the contract amount of electricity sold and procured, and have turned profitable due to a stable market pricing. We will continually manage an appropriate balance between the procurement and sale of electricity going forward. Page 26 shows the update for Inova Group. We continue to be the market leader in Europe and Middle East for the EPC projects of waste treatment facilities. Our market share of received orders has been over 50% since 2020. At the same time, we aim to achieve 50% net sales from O&M out of the total group sales, which is one of the important initiatives in our midterm management plan.

In Inova Group, we are also aiming to accumulate various projects from small orders such as supply of equipment, to large O&M orders such as those in U.K. that we won in the first half. The profitability is expanding in Steinmüller, the company acquired in February, while we are also seeing a steady progress in the expansion of O&M business. I will explain the biogas business later on page 29.

Page 27 is the machinery and infrastructure business. With regard to press machines for automobiles, as the shift to electric vehicles accelerates, there are concerns that demand for large press machines will decline due to the standardization and reduction of parts. So we are expanding our lineup of value-added products, such as laser blanking equipment that can meet diverse customer needs.

In precision machinery, recovery in the semiconductor manufacturing equipment market is slower than expected, but we expect it to recover from the second half of 2024. In the infrastructure business, although the market order volume for bridges in 2023 may be slightly lower than the previous year, our order volume in the first half has remained steady. We will explain the establishment of a new company for water gates in Thailand on page 31. In addition, in our life science related business, which is positioned as one of our growth businesses, we developed in collaboration with New Protein, the world's first device to automate the raw material manufacturing process for producing cultured meat without using genetically modified raw materials.

By leveraging our technology cultivating in manufacturing requirement for pharmaceuticals and food and beverages, we aim to expand our business in the life science field, including drug development, regenerative medicine research, and food. Page 28 is about carbon neutral solution business. Six months have passed since the establishment of Hitachi Zosen Marine Engine, which is a spin-off of the engine business. The effects of a collaboration with Imabari Shipbuilding are expected to be seen in our business results from fiscal 2024 onwards. In the process equipment, capital investment in petrochemical plants is expected to recover to pre-COVID level. Regarding nuclear power-related equipment, the decommissioning of nuclear power plants in the United States has been postponed from the perspective of decarbonization, and demand for casks and canisters for transporting and storing spent nuclear fuel is expected to increase as they restart operations in Japan.

Regarding decarbonization systems, we are participating in demonstration projects such as the Green Innovation Fund project to utilize hydrogen. We also deliver hydrogen production equipment to public and private sectors, and our equipment is used in demonstration experiments at our customers. Through these demonstrations, we will continue to the early social implementation of hydrogen and methanation. In the wind power business, following an EPC order in March for onshore wind power in Aomori Prefecture, we received a 20-year O&M order in June. Furthermore, in the area of offshore wind powers, starting this year, we will be working with Kyushu University through the NEDO leading research program to solve technical issues for introducing and expanding large scale floating offshore wind power, including understanding the wake phenomena and mutual interference phenomena unique to floating wind turbines, and developing predictive evaluation technology. From here, let me introduce recent developments in business topics.

Please take a look at page 29. In our midterm management plan, Forward 25, our group has announced a plan to invest approximately JPY 75 billion in business over three years. The focus of this will be on biogas, for which demand is increasing in Europe and the U.S. The European Commission has announced the need to increase the utilization rate of renewable energy and increase biomethane production capacity from the current 3 billion cubic meters to 35 million cubic meters by 2030. So through Inova, our group will actively promote the biogas business that we own and operate. As the first step, we have decided to start a biomethane supply business in Italy using the DFBO method, which will carry out everything from plant design, financing, construction, ownership, and operation.

In Japan, in May of this year, we entered in a business partnership agreement with TRE Holdings, which handles industrial waste treatment and resource recycling. We aim to build a rational and consistent treatment system by promoting public-private collaboration for municipal waste and industrial waste, which have traditionally been collected and treated separately. By providing a one-stop service from collection and transportation to ash recycling and disposal, will contribute to the realization of a recycling-oriented society, which is the common goal of both companies. Page 30 shows the progress related to carbon neutral solution business. At the top right, there is a graph about the conversion of marine engines to clean energy. In anticipation of future market changes, we are proceeding with orders for green methanol compatible test engines and production of methanol compatible engines. The bottom half is about the global expansion of the nuclear equipment business.

In June, our U.S. subsidiary, NAC International, acquired the manufacturing and sales business of dry storage containers for spent fuel and radioactive wastes from nuclear power plants from Canada's Niagara Energy Products. In Canada, nuclear power generation is positioned as an important power source from a decarbonization perspective, and demand for dry storage containers is expected to continue in the future. After the acquisition, the company will be based in Ontario, where most of Canada's nuclear power plants are located, and will actively develop technology for the introduction of next-generation small module reactors. The top half of page 31 is about the establishment of a joint venture company for water gates, which is related to safe and prosperous urban development position as a growth business. We established a joint venture in Thailand in August with an eye to expanding our water gate business in Southeast Asia.

Southeast Asia has many large rivers, and we will construct river gates and dams with hydroelectric power plants as flood countermeasures, as well as respond to future demand for water gate equipment. We have delivered water gate equipment to approximately 30 locations in 11 countries overseas. Utilizing this track record, we will continue to expand our water gate business overseas, including not only ODA projects, but also local projects. The bottom half contains topics related to Expo 2025 Osaka, Kansai. We are supporting the Future Society Showcase Project: Future Life Expo, Future City. The Future Society Showcase project aims to provide expo visitors with an experience that gives them a sense of future, and we plan to express the future city that we are aiming for through Society 5.0.

Based on the concept of a world tree that connects the past and present to the future, and expectations for the future, we are planning an exhibition that allows you to experience and feel the connection between people and the earth, and the city of the future. This concludes my presentation.

Operator

Now, we will have a Q&A session. The first question is from Mr. Ito of Mizuho Securities.

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

This is Ito speaking from Mizuho Securities. I have two questions. The first question is a clarification of your project regarding biomass, and the impact from the Swiss franc currency. During the three months in the second quarter, how much was the impact from the delayed delivery of the biomass power project in terms of cost? Regarding Swiss franc, how much impact did you have on income in this quarter compared to the same second quarter of the previous fiscal year? If you can provide some figures, that would be helpful. This is my first question.

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

This is Mino speaking. I would like to answer your question regarding biomass. These biomass power projects are the first large-scale projects for our company, with a very difficult condition, including the introduction of overseas technology. In the test run, it took longer time than expected to meet the steam requirements to run the overseas turbine. In addition, we faced some issues, including the leakage of high-pressure steam, which led to a delay in the delivery process. Among these two projects, delivery is completed for one of them, and we plan to deliver the other project by end of this month after a continuous test operation for another two weeks or so. Regarding your question around the cost of this delay, the total cost of the two projects combined as of the first half this year was JPY 3.4 billion. That's all.

Mr. Ito, could you repeat again your question around the foreign exchange rates? If we can clarify, that would be great. Thank you.

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Yes. My question was how much Swiss franc impact did you have on your operating income as of second quarter in this previous fiscal year, as well as the previous fiscal year?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

Your question was the impact coming from the difference between the Swiss franc in Q2 of this year versus last fiscal year? Is that the question?

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Yes. Rather than the difference of exchange rate itself, could you explain how much positive impact on operating income you had in the second quarter or the first half of this fiscal year?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

You mean the first half of this year versus the first half of the previous year?

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Yes, that's correct.

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

Thank you for the clarification. The exchange rate was JPY 139 against Swiss franc last year, and it is JPY 159 in this fiscal year on average. Thus, the yen is around JPY 20 weaker this fiscal year. The impact on Inova in the previous year was approximately JPY 460 million. Hope that answered your question.

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Do you mean you had a positive JPY 460 million impact?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

Yes, it was a positive impact.

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

That figure then is annualized into JPY 1.8 billion positive impact because of the initial forecast of the stronger yen. Is that right?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

Yes. It's because of the initial JPY 130 versus the revised JPY 155. Yes, that is the annualized number.

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Thank you very much. That's all for me.

Operator

The next question comes from Mr. Taninaka of SMBC Nikko Securities.

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

Yes. Thank you for taking my questions. This is Taninaka from SMBC. First is regarding your biomass power project. I believe the remaining one project is going through test run, but is there a risk of additional cost overrun during this pilot period? Secondly, will you implement any countermeasures to avoid a similar situation while continuing to win such large-scale projects? Or do you think this is the last large-scale projects and there will be no more large orders going forward, so the market can expect the cost overrun risk to peak out? Let me summarize my question. Could you elaborate the risk of additional cost overrun of the current biomass project, and explain your thoughts around winning biomass projects in the future?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

As explained earlier, the remaining one project is expected to complete its delivery at the end of this month. We have already booked allowance for the additional cost based on current estimates. However, we are still continuing our negotiations with our clients. For a safe and stable operations in the future, there might be correction or adjustments, so we cannot deny the possibility of additional cost in the future. Regarding the large-scale biomass projects, we have won another project, which is scheduled to be delivered in April 2025. This is the same combination as the recent project in terms of the facility made by the overseas manufacturer.

So we would like to use the experience from the current project or plant to work on the construction in advance in order to make sure we hit the delivery schedule on time. Regarding the future projects, we expect these large-scale biomass projects to decline. Additionally, we hope to use domestic equipment or materials rather than imported equipment or materials from overseas to deal with future biomass projects. Hope this answered your question.

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

Yes. Thank you very much. My second question is regarding the wind power diversified business. I believe the initial guidance of net sales are revised down by JPY 4 billion, while the guidance of operating income remains unchanged. But can you explain why that is the case? Also, when I hear about the review of schedule, one thing that comes to my mind is a risk of additional cost similar to the biomass project. So once again, can you explain why the operating income is not revised and whether there is a risk of additional costs of the wind power project?

Satoshi Kimura
Senior Managing Executive Officer and Director, Hitachi Zosen

Yes, thank you for your question. This is Kimura speaking. Regarding the wind power project, we had a delay in receiving order. Thus, the initial plan was reviewed based on the discussions with the local construction companies. Regarding the cost, we have estimated the amount based on the reviewed schedule, and that amount is reflected in our contract. Thus, we do not expect any change in the cost due to the change in schedule. That is all for me.

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

Yes, thank you. Let me clarify once again. Do you mean there is no risk of additional cost that I should bear in mind?

Satoshi Kimura
Senior Managing Executive Officer and Director, Hitachi Zosen

No, so far, there is no additional costs from the construction.

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

Yes, okay. Thank you very much.

Satoshi Kimura
Senior Managing Executive Officer and Director, Hitachi Zosen

As for the future risk, there is a cost inflation in the construction business, so we will make sure to have a good risk management system in place.

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

Okay, thank you again. That is all for my question. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Mr. Odaira of Tokai Tokyo Securities.

Mitsuyuki Odaira
Analyst, Tokai Tokyo Securities

Yes, this is Odaira speaking. Thank you for this opportunity. Yes, I have two questions today. First is regarding the net sales of Inova. Looking at page nine of the presentation which shows the net sales of Inova Group, you have revised the full year guidance from JPY 168 billion- JPY 187 billion, an increase of nearly JPY 20 billion. Listening to your earlier comment around the impact from the foreign exchange, the majority of this increase should be coming from the FX, which implies that the actual demand is slightly weaker. Is this the right assumption? That is my first question.

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

I believe your question was around net sales?

Mitsuyuki Odaira
Analyst, Tokai Tokyo Securities

Yes.

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

As you pointed out, the net sales in this fiscal year are downtrending compared to the initial forecast when you excluded the FX. That is due to the delay in receiving orders as explained earlier in the presentation, as some of the scheduled projects are pushed back to later timing. On the other hand, there are other projects which we have won outside of these existing projects, which is offsetting the decline in the second half of this fiscal year. Therefore, we have factored these project delays in our guidance today.

Mitsuyuki Odaira
Analyst, Tokai Tokyo Securities

So could I clarify your comments? I guess it does not matter whether it is the initial or revised guidance, but does the guidance factor the projects that you initially planned to receive orders and book sales within this fiscal year, and those are the projects which are now pushed back? When making the initial guidance, I guess you have a certain visibility of potential sales based on various projects in the pipeline, and thus, is it just a simple delay of the schedule or not?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

When making the initial guidance, we forecast the potential sales based on the construction progress at the works that we received orders during the fiscal year on percentage of completion basis, and include potential orders that are before receiving but are likely to be received. And those expected orders are now being pushed back.

Mitsuyuki Odaira
Analyst, Tokai Tokyo Securities

Just to repeat my question, is it true that the construction itself is not delayed due to some reasons?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

That is correct. There is no delay in the construction itself. We are just not able to book expected sales due to the delay in orders. But as explained, we are steadily winning orders in other projects which are expected to impact the second half of this fiscal year. Thank you.

Mitsuyuki Odaira
Analyst, Tokai Tokyo Securities

The next question might be minor, but looking at page 27 of the presentation, the press machine in the machinery and infrastructure business had orders of around JPY 10 billion in the first half, while the full year guidance is JPY 19 billion. Does it mean that the second half might have some risk of weakness compared to the first half? Or is it because you just wanted to keep the guidance from revising to avoid the hassle? Can you explain your views around the press machine in the second half of this fiscal year? That is my second question.

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

Yes. Just as you noted, the order intake is increasing, but the guidance is not revised.

Mitsuyuki Odaira
Analyst, Tokai Tokyo Securities

So, in actual are you receiving continued strong inquiries in the second half as you did in the first half?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

Yes. We are receiving strong inquiries. That's correct.

Mitsuyuki Odaira
Analyst, Tokai Tokyo Securities

Okay. Thank you very much. That's all for my question.

Operator

Thank you very much. Okay, Mr. Taninaka, please.

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

This is Taninaka from SMBC Nikko Securities. Can you hear me okay?

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

Yes, we can hear you.

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

Thank you. Regarding Inova, with the Inova Group, you have made the upward revision of operating income by about JPY 1.5 billion. What is the reason for this? Excluding FX, the top line is supposed to be slightly weaker, but you see the improvement in profitability. Can you explain the reason?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Regarding the Inova Group, we are seeing some special situations because Inova has been using IFRS. For the retirement benefit, when there is a difference, an actuarial difference, that would be posted as an unrealized gain, so it's not affecting the profits and loss directly. According to Japanese standards, the unrealized gain will need to be depreciated in 10 years to fill the gap. Because of that, we see an improvement by about JPY 1 billion.

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

I see. Thank you very much. I have one more question. As you are changing the company name, I'm sure you're expecting certain costs. How much should we expect? Like a few hundreds of millions of yen or will it be more than that? Billions or few billions? Do you have any hint on those size of the cost?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Are you talking about the impact on this fiscal year?

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

Well, either this year or the next year. Either way is fine.

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

For this year's, we're not expecting a major cost related to the company name change. Next June at the shareholders meeting, we expect to receive an approval to make a change of the company name as of October 1st next year. That's why we're not expecting impact this fiscal year. For next year, we will consider how we will communicate this externally. Probably it will be the cost for about a few hundreds of millions of yen. Does this answer your question?

Satoshi Taninaka
Analyst, SMBC Nikko Securities

Thank you very much. Yes, that is all from me.

Operator

Thank you. Mr. Ito, please.

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

On a related note on the previous question, the reason for the upper revision for Inova this fiscal year, the impact of FX, was above JPY 1.4 billion for EPC Inova Group. In addition, the actuarial difference. Would that be the reason, or are you explaining as the main factor for the FX impact?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

This is explained as actuarial difference. We explain this as another different factor.

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Okay. Thank you. The profit for the Inova Group, EPC, was revised upward by JPY 2.5 billion. Of that, 1.4 was due to FX and a little around 1 billion would be due to the actuarial accounting difference. Is that correct?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Yes.

Tatsuhiko Ito
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you very much for waiting. Mr. Nakamura from Nikkei Shimbun Newspapers.

Shimpei Nakamura
Analyst, Nikkei Shimbun Newspapers

This is Nakamura from Nikkei Shimbun Newspapers. Thank you. I have one question. Regarding the full year forecast, up through the recurring profits showing positive numbers year-on-year, but when it comes down to net income level, when it comes to the net income, then we see a drop in profit compared to the previous year. Can you explain the reason why?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Regarding that number, last year we had an extraordinary profit, and that is the reason.

Shimpei Nakamura
Analyst, Nikkei Shimbun Newspapers

I see. Can you maybe explain what exactly the external profit was last year?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Regarding the extraordinary profit for fiscal 2022, we had JPY 1 billion for the sales of assets. That was IT building. We also have JPY 1.4 billion for the sales of shares of Onami, which is a logistic subsidiary. In total, JPY 2.4 billion came out to be an extraordinary profit.

Shimpei Nakamura
Analyst, Nikkei Shimbun Newspapers

Thank you very much. Understood.

Operator

Thank you. Next question. Ms. Ike from Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun Newspapers.

Natsuko Ike
Analyst, Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun Newspapers

Hello? This is Ike from Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun. Can you hear me okay?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Yes, we can hear you.

Natsuko Ike
Analyst, Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun Newspapers

Thank you very much. I have a couple questions. First, on page 27 regarding precision equipment and system equipment. The semiconductor manufacturing equipment has seen excessive inventory in U.S.-China conflict and weaker economy in China. But you are expecting again the steady growth coming back in the second half of 2024. Is it because the semiconductor manufacturing equipment market is going to recover or that you expect the growth of your products in the Chinese economy recovery? Which is your expectation? This deceleration, how much of an impact do you expect on the sales for the first half and for the full year?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Okay, regarding your first question, that is about a recovery in semiconductor market. This second half, we actually expected to see a recovery in this fiscal year but seems like still taking time for inventory adjustment. The recovery in the market is going to be delayed into the next fiscal year. Regarding your second question, can I confirm once again?

Natsuko Ike
Analyst, Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun Newspapers

The deceleration in semiconductor market, how much that is affecting the decline in the net sales?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Our semiconductor business is basically supply of vacuum valves. That is provided from VTEX, which is as a group company. This year, the impact will be around JPY 2 billion on the net sales. That is what is expected.

Natsuko Ike
Analyst, Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun Newspapers

-JPY 2 billion?

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Yes, -JPY 2 billion.

Natsuko Ike
Analyst, Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun Newspapers

Can you also tell us the future forecast for overseas markets? Not just for this fiscal year, but also in mid and long term perspective. You expect to have overseas to take up 50% of the net sales and operating income in fiscal 2030. I believe three companies, Innova, Osmoflo, NAC, are going to be quite important. Including this fiscal year, what is your view on the future forecast for these three companies in mid and long term? Regarding Osmoflo and NAC, what is your focus on their net sales on a non-consolidated basis for this fiscal year? Please share those numbers as far as you can.

Michi Kuwahara
Managing Director and General Manager, Hitachi Zosen

Regarding the status of the overseas business, Innova is going to be the most important business for sure. The numbers will be shared later by Kimura. Regarding the current status of Innova business, in addition to the EPC for the waste to energy plant, which is our mainstay business, they also have the operation of long-term operation business and the renewable gas business. We are thinking of also entering into biogas market. Regarding NAC business, as we have explained earlier, we have acquired Niagara Energy Products in Canada, and we also acquired Philotechnics, and we are trying to expand the business areas with this company. For water treatment, Osmoflo business, they are number one in market share for the mine wastewaters in Australia.

We will maintain this market share first, then we think about how we can expand this technology to other areas. We are working together with Japan and try to find out where to focus whether Middle East or South America, North America, what type of business to be providing. We are considering and studying all these details right now. In addition, we ourselves, as I mentioned earlier, we are trying to enter in Asian market like Thailand for Watergate business and for Waste to Energy Plant business. We are trying to enter in Southeast Asia and India. We want to be proactively expanding the business in there. The numbers will be explained by Kimura.

Satoshi Kimura
Senior Managing Executive Officer and Director, Hitachi Zosen

Let me explain on the numbers. For Innova Group, their net sales is JPY 187 billion and NAC in the U.S. is going to be about JPY 14 billion. Osmoflo is about JPY 10 billion. These are the forecasts for this fiscal year.

Natsuko Ike
Analyst, Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun Newspapers

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you for your questions. It seems like there are no other questions at this point. Now we want to have a closing comment for today's call from Mino.

Sadao Mino
President, Hitachi Zosen

Okay, this is Mino speaking. Thank you very much for participating in this earnings call for the Q2 of 2023 out of your busy schedule. Thank you very much for many questions and many feedbacks that you gave us. We receive them as your expectations and encouragement for the group's growth. We will try our best to meet your expectations by accomplishing this year's budget first and creating new businesses and growing the existing businesses. We hope to receive your continued support for our future.

Also even under the new company name Kanadevia, I hope to see you supporting us in a continued manner. We will accomplish our midterm management plan Forward 25 and realizing 2030 vision to continue growing the business. I really hope that you continue to have expectations under Kanadevia Group for next year beyond. Thank you very much. This concludes today's earnings call. Thank you very much for your participation out of your busy schedule. Thank you very much.