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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Jul 28, 2021

Speaker 1

Welcome to the Aflac Incorporated 2021 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. David Young, Vice President of Aflac Investor and Ratings Agency Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Andrea. Good morning, and welcome to Aflac Incorporated's 2nd quarter earnings call. As always, we have posted our earnings release and financial supplement to investors. Aflac.com. This morning, we will be hearing remarks about the quarter related to our operations in Japan and the United States amid the ongoing COVID-nineteen pandemic.

Dan Amos, Chairman and CEO of Aflac Incorporated, will begin with an overview of our operations in Japan and the U. S. Fred Crawford, President and COO of Aflac Incorporated will then touch briefly on conditions in the quarter and discuss key initiatives, including how we are navigating the pandemic. Max Broden, Executive Vice President and CFO of Aflac Incorporated, We'll conclude our prepared remarks with a summary of 2nd quarter financial results and current capital and liquidity. Members of our U.

S. Executive management team joining us for the Q and A segment of the call are Teresa White, President of Virgil Miller, President of Individual and Group Benefits Eric Kirsch, Global Chief Investment Officer and President of Aflac Global Investments Al Riggieri, Global Chief Risk Officer and Chief Actuary June Howard, Chief Accounting Officer and Steve Beaver, CFO of Aflac U. S. We are also joined by members of our executive management team in Tokyo At Aflac Life Insurance Japan Charles Lake, Chairman and Representative Director, President of Aflac International Masatoshi Kouide, President and Representative Director Todd Daniels, Director and CFO And Koichiro Yoshizumi, Director, Deputy President and Director, Sales and Marketing. Before we begin, some statements in this teleconference are forward looking within the meanings of federal securities laws.

Although we believe these We can give no assurance that they will be will prove to be accurate because they are prospective in nature. Actual results could differ materially from those we discuss today. We encourage you to look at our annual report on Form 10 ks for some of the various risk factors that could materially impact our results. As I mentioned earlier, the earnings release is available on investors. Aplike.com and includes reconciliations of certain non U.

S. GAAP measures. I'll now hand the call over to Dan. Dan?

Speaker 3

Thanks, David, and good morning, and thank you for joining us. With the pandemic conditions to evolve, We remain cautiously optimistic and vigilant as the vaccination efforts continue in the face of uncertainty associated with the emerging variants. I'm proud of our response over the last year and our ability to adapt to what has been a very challenging time for everyone, And I continue to pray each day for everyone affected. Adjusted earnings per diluted share, excluding foreign currency impact, Increased 24.2 percent for the quarter and 24.5% for the year. While earnings are off to a very strong start for the first half of the year, it's important to bear in mind That they are largely supported by a low benefit ratio associated with the pandemic conditions as well as a better than return on alternative investments.

At the same time, sales improved year over year for the first During the pandemic in the second quarter in both the United States and Japan. As part of our strategy, we strive to be where people want Purchase insurance, that applies to both Japan and the United States. Face to face sales are still the most effective way for us The need for virtual means. In other words, non face to face sales that help us reach potential customers And provide them with the protection that they need. We have continued to invest in tools from a distribution in both countries And to integrate these investments for second half of the year in both countries, especially if the communities and businesses Continue to open up, which would allow more face to face interactions.

Keeping vaccinations in mind. Right now, I'm addressing our employees in a way that is similar to how I talk to my family, teen vaccinations. As I want people to avoid being sick or even worse becoming a casualty of the virus or variant. Looking at our operations in Japan. In the Q2, Aflac Japan generated solid financial growth results As reflected in its profit margin of 26.5 percent, this was above the outlook range provided At the 2020 financial analyst briefing, Aflac Japan also reported strong premium persistency Of 94.7 percent, sales improved year over year generating an increase of 38.4% For the quarter 15.7 percent for the 1st 6 months.

These results reflect easier comps, Improved pandemic conditions and a boost from the Q1 launch of our new medical product, While sales in the first half of twenty twenty one are at approximately 65% of 2019 levels, We continue to navigate evolving pandemic conditions in Japan. The states of emergency Have been in the targeted areas, especially Tokyo and Okinawa. However, cases have begun increasing in Tokyo and Osaka Metropolitan And we expect the Japanese government to make a determination soon to expand the declaration of the state of emergency To 3 other prefectures surrounding Tokyo and Osaka. But most importantly, these states of emergencies are less restrictive And limited in scope and do not represent lockdowns as experienced in other countries. Japan post Resumption of proactive sales starting in April is contributing toward a gradual improvement In Aflac's cancer insurance sales and we continue to work to strengthen the strategic alliance to create a sustained cycle of growth For both companies, in June, for example, Aflac and Japan Post Holdings, Japan Post Company And Japan Post Insurance reached agreements to further the strategic alliance in a manner consistent with Japan Post Group's 5 year medium term management plan, which was announced in May.

While we do not expect this to have an immediate impact on sales recovery, it will further position our company for long term growth As we respond to customers' needs, provide customer centric services and create shared value of resolving societal and Local Community Issues. Turning to Aflac U. S, we saw a strong profit margin of 24.4 25.4 percent and very strong premium persistency of 80.1%. As expected, we also saw Sequential sales improvement and more opportunities for face to face activities. As a result of softer sales a year earlier And more face to face opportunities, sales increased 64.1% for the quarter and are at a 73% Of the first half of the twenty nineteen level.

In the U. S, small businesses are still in recovery mode, Which we expect to continue through 2021. At the same time, larger businesses remain primarily focused On returning employees to the work site, as I stated earlier, we will focus on being able to sell and service Product portfolio with previously acquired businesses, Aflac Network Dental and Vision and Premier Life and Disability. While these acquisitions have a modest near term impact on the top line, they better position Aflac For future long term success in the U. S, meanwhile, strong persistency, underwriting profits And investment income continue to drive strong pre tax margins in the United States as they do in Japan.

As always, we place significant importance on continuing to achieve strong capital ratios in the U. S. And in Japan on behalf of our Policyholders and investors, we remain committed to prudent liquidity and capital management. We treasure our 38 year track record of dividend And remain committed to extending it, supported by the strength of the capital and the cash flows. At the same time, we will continue to tactically repurchase shares, focus on integrating the growth investments that we've made in our platform.

We are well positioned as we work toward achieving long term growth, while also ensuring we deliver on our promise to our By doing so, we look to emerge from this period in a continued position of strength and leadership And look forward to sharing more about the strategic and financial priorities at our Financial Analyst Briefing On November 16, 2021. So now I'll turn the program over to Fred. Fred?

Speaker 4

Thank you, Dan. I'm going to focus my comments on activities to restore our production platform and progress on growth strategies. Beginning with Aflac Japan, we are focused on 3 areas in building back to pre pandemic levels of production: Product development, online or digital assisted sales and specific sales efforts within the Japan Post Platform. With respect to product development, we continue to see positive reception to our revised medical product, Ever Prime. Medical product sales for the first half of the year are up roughly 48% over the same period in 2020 And have approached pre pandemic levels down only 4% from the 2019 period.

We are gaining back market share in this highly competitive medical market. Earlier this year, we launched Our first short term insurance product under a newly formed subsidiary called Sudachi. The product is a small amount substandard medical product targeting customers who do not qualify for traditional medical coverage. In the Q2, we have registered close to 600 agencies with Sidoti and issued about 230 policies. We are in the very early stages of this initiative, but over time, we anticipate adding additional short term health and income support products.

We are in the process of developing a new care product aimed at supplemental elderly care coverage provided by the government of Japan. We will provide strategic context and timing around this product in the coming months, but we believe this This product line will mature into a meaningful driver of future third sector sales with an aging population and in anticipation of a continued shift in financial burden from the government to individuals. Turning to distribution. We have technology in place to allow agents to pivot from face to face to virtual sales. On March 26, we launched a national advertising Promoting this capability.

In the second quarter, we have processed over 14,000 online applications as compared to nearly 8,000 in the Q1. On Japan Post, proposal activity has increased month to month As sales training and promotion permeates the 20,000 branches that sell our insurance. Through the month of June, Aflac Japan has conducted over 35,000 training sessions with Japan Post sales agents Nationwide, along with providing contact information on nearly 700,000 existing cancer policyholders to inform on the latest coverage advantages. Activities in the Q3 include visits With regional office managers in the JP system and post office visits to reinforce the sales process. Turning to the U.

S, our group voluntary platform continues to respond well with sales exceeding 2019 pre pandemic levels. Overall sales recovery is focused on restoring our agent driven small business franchise hurt by the pandemic. Critical areas of investment include recruiting, converting recruits to weekly producers and product development. In terms of recruiting, we have refocused our efforts in the past year on broker recruiting with new appointments exceeding pre pandemic levels. Appointing small business brokers takes time to convert into production, but is critical to expanding our reach And gaining traction in the dental and vision markets.

Individual agent recruiting remains under pressure, and we are running at 70% of weekly producers we enjoyed pre pandemic. Agent recruiting is impacted by onboarding and training under COVID restrictions, tight labor markets and employment subsidy programs, all of which we expect to subside later in the year. Our network dental product is approved in 43 states and vision in 42 states, With more states coming online later in the year, we are completing national training programs and have about 50% of trained agents Who have quoted on our new dental and vision product offerings. It's early, however, we continue to see our volume building each month and over 50% of our dental and vision cases include voluntary benefit sales. We believe this supports our strategic intent to increase access in new accounts and deepen relationships in our existing accounts.

As I said last quarter, 2021 dental and vision strategy can be summed up as a year of launch, learn and adjust. Our premier life and disability platform continues to support their key client relationships and are building a pipeline of quoted business. Our service model remains exceptional. And since closing, we have not lost any notable accounts and have seen early interest among some of our voluntary benefit clients. In fact, this morning, Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont announced the selection of Aflac as administrator For the Connecticut Paid Leave Authority administering benefits for their statewide paid leave program.

This awarded business would not have been Without our recently acquired group capabilities. With respect to our e commerce initiative, Aflac Direct, We offer critical illness, accident and cancer and are now approved in 45 states, including California. As a reminder, this platform is focused on reaching customers outside the traditional work site. Like most digital sales platforms, we enjoy Higher conversion rates when a digital lead is handed to a licensed call center agent. Currently, most of our leads are funneled a 3rd party call center platforms, and we are actively building out an Aflac licensed call center.

Our digital platform overall is experiencing a 16% conversion rate on qualified leads and generally consistent with many digital D2C insurance Our consumer market strategy also includes digital distribution and product partnerships, and while early in development, are designed to expand access to protection products and increase traffic to our site. Through 6 months in 2021, these three platforms, new platforms, have combined for 5% of sales As they are in the early building and development stages, we continue to forecast a strong second half based on increased activity And expect these three growth initiatives will contribute upwards of 15% to sales in the second half of twenty twenty one. Aflac Global Investments announced last week an investment partnership with Denim Capital. Aflac has made a $2,000,000,000 multiyear general account commitment to launch a new debt platform focused on investing in the senior secured debt of sustainable infrastructure projects. Aflac will hold a 24.9% minority interest in a newly created entity, Denim Sustainable Infrastructure.

We are also making a $100,000,000 commitment to Denim Equity Fund focused on sustainable infrastructure investments. We are pleased to partner with Denim, a recognized and leading investment firm in the sustainable infrastructure markets. Under Eric's leadership, this transaction furthers our strategy of partnering with external managers. We seek alliances with firms that maintain strong track records and specialized asset classes that play an important role in our portfolio. We then leverage our capital to take a minority stake to further maximize the potential benefits.

When combined with our recent SoundPoint Capital Investment, we advance our ESG efforts by investing in sustainable infrastructure and distressed communities across the U. S. I'll now pass on to Max to discuss our financial performance in more detail. Max? Thank you, Fred.

Speaker 5

Let me begin my comments with a review of our Q2 performance with a focus on our core capital and earnings drivers have developed. For the 2nd quarter, adjusted earnings per share increased 24.2 Turn to the $1.59 The slightly weaker yen dollar exchange rate did not have a significant impact on adjusted earnings per diluted share. This strong performance for the quarter was largely driven by lower claims utilization due to the pandemic, especially in the U. S. In addition, variable investment income ran $112,000,000 above our long term return expectations.

Adjusted book value per share, including foreign currency translation gains and losses, grew 20.5% And the adjusted ROE, excluding foreign currency impact, was a strong 17%, which is a significant spread to our cost of capital. Starting with our Japan segment. Total earned premium for the quarter declined 3.8%, reflecting the impact of 1st Due to recent low sales volumes. Japan's total benefit ratio came in at 66.9% for the quarter, We experienced a slightly higher than normal IBNR release in our 3rd sector block As experience continues to come in favorable relative to the initial reserving. This quarter, the IBNR release was primarily due to pandemic conditions Constraining utilization since Q2 of 2020 year to date.

Although claims activity have begun to rebound, it remains below longer term normalized levels. Our claim reporting lags require up to a year to mature the data. And now with more than a year's worth of pandemic data, Our estimates are more refined, which has led to increased IBNR releases. Persistence was down 10 basis points, We have remained strong at 94.7%. Our adjusted expense ratio in Japan was 20.8%, up 80 basis points year over year.

We continue our technology related investments to convert Aflac Japan to a paperless company, which also includes higher system maintenance expenses. Additional telework expenses also added to the higher adjusted net investment income increased 27.4% in yen terms, primarily driven by favorable returns on our growing alternatives portfolio and lower hedge costs, partially offset Lower reinvestment yield on our fixed rate portfolio. The pretax margin for Japan in the quarter was 26.5%, up 50 basis points year over year, which was a very favorable result for the quarter. This quarter's strong financial results Leads us to expect the full year benefit ratio for Japan to be at the lower end of the 3 year guidance range Net earned premium was down 3.4% due to weaker sales results. Persistency improved 180 basis points 80.1 percent, 63 basis points of the elevated persistency in both The Q2 of this year and the prior year can be explained by emergency orders.

So there was no net impact For the quarter year over year, 80 basis points of improved persistence in the quarter is attributed to lower Sales as first year lapse rates are roughly twice total in force lapse rates. Another 30 basis points of improved persistency is due to conservation efforts and the remainder largely comes from improved experience. Our total benefit ratio came in lower than expected at 43.5 percent are 80 basis points lower than Q2 2020, which itself was heavily impacted by the initial pandemic. Lower claims utilization impacts our estimates for incurred claims as data matures over the course of a year. As our data matures, we increase our reliance on raw data.

And with a year of pandemic data behind us, We reduced our IBNR to reflect the lower utilization. This quarter, IBNR releases amounted to 5.6 percentage points impact on the benefit ratio, which leaves an underlying benefit ratio excluding IBNR releases of 49.1%. We expect the benefit ratio to increase gradually throughout the remainder of the year With the resumption of normal activity in our communities and by our policyholders. For the full year, we now Our benefit ratio to be in the range of 45% to 48% versus our original guidance of 48% to 51%. Our expense ratio in the U.

S. Was 36.9%, up 160 basis points year over year, but with a lot of moving parts. Weaker sales performance negatively impacts revenue. However, the impact to our expense ratio is offset by lower DAC and commission expense. Higher advertising spend increased the expense ratio by 60 basis points.

Our continued build out of growth initiatives, Group Life and Disability, Network Dental and Vision, Endrix Consumer, contributed to a 170 basis points increase to the ratio. These strategic growth largely offset by our efforts to lower core operating expenses as we strive towards being the low cost producer in the voluntary benefit space. Net net, despite a lot of moving parts, Q2 expenses are tracking according to plan. In the quarter, we also incurred $5,500,000 of integration and transition Adjusted net investment income in the U. S.

Was up 9.9%, mainly driven by favorable variable investment income In the quarter, profitability in the U. S. Segment was very strong with a pretax margin of 25.4% With the low benefit ratio as the core driver. With the first half now in the books, we are increasing our pretax Our next question comes from the line of John. Hi, good morning, everyone.

Speaker 3

I'm going to turn the call over to John.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning, everyone. I'm going to turn the call over to John. Hi, good morning, everyone. We now expect to end up slightly above the range indicated at fab. In our corporate segment, we recorded a pre tax loss of $76,000,000 as adjusted net investment income It was $45,000,000 lower than last year due to low interest rates at the short end of the yield curve and amortization of tax credit investments, which amounted to $30,000,000 this quarter held at the corporate level.

Under U. S. GAAP, we recognized a negative impact to corporate NII, but this is offset by a lower effective tax rate for the enterprise. This results in a level of reported volatility to our corporate segment, But the economic returns on these investments are above our cost of equity capital. To date, these investments are performing well and in line with expectations.

Our capital position remains strong, and we ended the quarter with an SMR above 900% in Japan And an RBC of approximately 600% in Aflac Columbus. Unencumbered holding company liquidity stood at $4,400,000,000 which was $2,000,000,000 above our minimum balance, excluding the $400,000,000 proceeds From the sustainability bond that we issued in March that reinforced our ESG initiatives and believe that sustainable investments are also good long term investments. Leverage, which includes our sustainability bond, remains at a comfortable 22.8%, It is in the middle of our leverage corridor of 20% to 25%. In the quarter, we repurchased $500,000,000 of our own stock And paid dividends of $223,000,000 offering good relative IRR on these capital deployments. We will continue to be flexible and tactical in how we manage the balance sheet and deploy capital to drive strong risk adjusted ROE with a meaningful spread to our callers of capital.

With that, I'll hand it over

Speaker 2

to David to begin the Q and A. Thank you, Max. Now we are ready to take your questions. But first, let me ask you to please limit yourself to one initial question and a related follow-up to allow other participants an

Speaker 1

We will now begin the question and answer session. The First question comes from Nigel Dally of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks and good morning. So I wanted to ask about sales, how they trended throughout the quarter. In the Q1, they improved every month. February was better than January, March was better than February.

Interested in how they trended in the Q2, both in the U. S. And Japan?

Speaker 7

Well, the U. S. Will respond first. Virgil, did you want to speak to the sales trends?

Speaker 8

Yes. Hey, Nigel, this is Virgil Miller. Let me share a little bit about our sales trends we've seen in the Q2. First, you heard from Fred say that we are very pleased with what we saw Our group side of the business, we've trended positive and favorably once again. We're trending right now about 117% of 2019, Looking strong.

We're looking good with our buy to bill platforms. We're expected to hit our goals for the end of the year. And then I'll turn to our individual Business was really driven by our career channel. We ran into some headwinds, you can see with career recruits. Overall recruiting looks strong though.

We surpassed Our Q1 numbers with our Q2, we're looking strong with our veteran recruits. One of the things I look at daily is our veterans getting back the business. In Q1, 73% we were a 2019 number with our veteran average weaker producers. In the 2nd quarter, we were at 78%, So showing favorable increase there and we're looking for that to increase throughout the second half of the year and have a strong third and fourth quarter. So overall, I would say we're performing just light at plan when it comes to what we're expecting, a little bit behind with the career channel but exceeding with the group channel.

Speaker 4

Now maybe turn to Japan to answer Nigel's question.

Speaker 9

Yes.

Speaker 10

I will have Mr. Yoshizumi answer the But before asking him to answer the question, let me introduce to you who Mr. Yoshizumi is. Mr. Yoshizumi has assumed the position of the Head of Sales and Marketing of Asaf Japan succeeding Mr.

Ariyoshi, effective July 1. Mr. Yoshizumi has more than 30 years of experience in the life insurance sales. And before joining Aflac in January this year, he has led the sales division in Manulife Japan And Vince is on the position of the CEO of Manulife Japan. We are very extremely pleased Welcome Mr.

Yoshizumi to Afro Japan Sales and Marketing Division Head, since he has very rich leadership experience as well as Very extensive experience in sales in Japanese life insurance industry. Thank you for the introduction. Nice to really great to talk to you all in the U. S. My name is Yoshizumi.

And as Mr. Kohita just introduced, I have been assigned to lead the sales and marketing division Aflac Japan effective July 1. And before joining Aflac, I was the CEO of Manulife Japan. However, most of my experience has been or the 30 years of my experience has been The types of channels that I've experienced in sales are captive agents channel, independent agents channel, Financial institutions, so all the sales distribution channels that exist in Japan have been my experience. And I'm very honored to be able to have this Trinity to be able to discuss Aflac Japan sales with you going forward.

And once again, great to be here with you. Now let me start to talk about Aflac Japan's sales results in the first and the second quarter. And under the current COVID situation, let me first of all touch upon the new medical product that we launched, which was also discussed earlier. And also under this COVID situation, The online application has become very popular and become a common means for application. As a result, we have been able to have very active moves and asset activities under the And that's what is what was covered by them.

As he said, we are at about 65% of where we were in 2019. And that's it for me.

Speaker 6

That's great. Just a follow-up on Japan Post as well. Given that they've begun to actively proactive sales, any early indications as to how the sales are coming in relative to your expectations? I know you expected the pace of improvement to be gradual, but any early color there?

Speaker 3

At this particular point, it's too early. But again, I want to reiterate what I said in the Q1 call. Our relationship has never been better with Japan Post. Actually, The thing they're dealing with is adjusting from a corrective matters that they took into account due to sales The new regime has been addressing to now being proactively getting back to the way they were writing business That was properly done. And so it's taking a little bit longer, but all in all, As we said in our reports, I look for both the United States and Japan to see stronger growth in the second half, Assuming there isn't some event that takes place with this variant that we're not aware of, but if that happens, Everybody is affected with that.

So I feel good that you're going to see continued growth more so probably in the Q4 than the 3rd, but We don't even know that for sure at this point. So but I'm encouraged.

Speaker 6

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 1

The next Question comes from Jimmy Bhullar of JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. So first, just had Question on sales as well. And I guess this is both in the U. S. And in Japan.

Has the increase that we've seen in cases In both markets and then also in the U. S, we've heard of some companies push back their return to work. Have those things Effective your views on your sales trends in the second half of the year.

Speaker 4

I think go ahead, Theresa.

Speaker 7

We'll start with the U. S. First. I'll ask Virgil to respond.

Speaker 8

Yes. We learned throughout the COVID time that large case markets, Specifically around where we sell our group products that they're more used to it and dealing with brokers used to, we would call self enrollments and virtual enrollments And online engagements, we really haven't seen much impact there at all. Again, with smaller companies in the small market Really driven by our career channel. We faced some headwinds like I said earlier around recruiting in some of the small businesses, not Really going face to face for 100 percent of the time. We anticipated that, rolled out virtual tool sets last year.

We're able to, as Dan said in his speech, Pretty much serve the customer any way possible. We can do it virtually, we can do it online or we can meet face to face. Now I will tell you this though, I have yet to see that any of our setup enrollments have been changed from a face to face yet. We are monitoring it very closely, but right now we're still able to get face to face enrollments We have them set up.

Speaker 10

Thank you for the question. Now this is from Japan. So let me answer your question regarding Japan. In Japan, although we have been limiting the number of people or employees to come on-site under the state of emergency, sales activities are continuing. And the state of emergency declaration in Japan is different from the lockdown situation in the U.

S. And the purpose of the State of Emergency Declaration in Japan is to really control the people's movement from one place to another. As a result, there is really not that much impact to our sales activity during daytime. And the current state of emergency declaration is imposed to just Tokyo and Okinawa. And so as we do try to prevent being infected, those activities are being done with full prevention nationwide.

And the areas outside of the state of emergency declaration are able to do the normal And on top of that, we have online consultation and applications that have spread nationwide and that those these measures have taken root Under this current environment, We do believe that we can be quite successful in our sales activities.

Speaker 11

Okay. And if I could just follow-up on recruiting in the U. S, you had pretty strong results this quarter, mostly because of the broker market. On the career side, how is the labor market affecting your ability to sort of recruit and retain agents? And Is it getting hotter, not so hard because the services sector seems like it is coming back overall?

Speaker 8

It's certainly getting harder. You can see we came out strong coming out of Q4 going into Q1. Our pipeline, now remember in recruiting new agents, we really got to go through a full process, getting them licensed, Having them basically taking an exam and certifying them to understand Aflac products and we were very strong with our pipeline in Q1. We've seen that pipeline begin to slacken slightly in Q2. Again, as you said earlier though, this is why We've made a conscious decision to really recruit brokers.

Now why brokers? Brokers already come to the table with license. They're already familiar with our products. We just really need to get them activated in the second half of the

Speaker 3

year. The one this is Dan. The one thing I would add is that I think the U. S. Is doing a very good job of bringing back some of the Gents who have been licensed with us have renewals and basically because of COVID have just kind of stopped producing.

They've got contests going with them. They're coming back. They're the soul of the company, and we need to bring them back. And I think we'll be doing that. I think Virgil is doing a good job with Teresa in terms of pushing that and Fred has been very instrumental in it too.

So I'm thinking that will continue to come back, which will reflect in the production. Now the new recruits, as Virgil mentioned, It's harder simply because the labor market, as you can imagine, if you're having trouble with people coming to work Based on salary, it's even more difficult with commissions. But all in all, we've got a lot of licensed people We just need to get back. And of course, as you have in higher employment, that gives us an opportunity to enroll people at the work site. So we're We believe the potential is there and certainly we should see it.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Humphrey Lee of Dowling and Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. I want to focus a little bit more on the claims experience This quarter and kind of how to think about it. Can you just talk about like what is the overall level of IVR reserves that you have, Not just for COVID, but just the overall piece. Like how big were your kind of IVR reserves in Japan and the U. S.

At the end of this quarter Compared to maybe a pre pandemic level, say, like 2Q 2019 or year end 2019?

Speaker 5

Thank you, Humphrey. This is Max. We don't go into exactly total IDNR levels that we hold. Yes. I would say that generally speaking, throughout the quarter, we did experience Paid claims.

In the Q1, we had increased month over month paid Going into the Q2, that trend more or less stalled. And in April, May June, We sort of leveled out at a level below what we normally would expect to see. And that to some extent together with more raw data used as input into our IVR models led to the reserve releases that we saw in this quarter. Going forward, we obviously reserve to the Our best expectation of future claims results.

Speaker 9

I guess maybe just qualitatively, Are you holding more are you still holding more R and D reserves right now compared to a pre pandemic level?

Speaker 5

No. We have not changed our reserving practices.

Speaker 9

Okay. I guess my follow-up was kind of staying on that topic. In terms of the lower paid claims, is there any sense that you can help us to think about the actual paid claims in Japan and the U. S, Kind of where they were in the 2nd quarter versus maybe kind of during the pandemic and how do they compare to like

Speaker 5

Paid Claims activity continues to be below our long term expectations by policy. And The activity is constrained by simply the activity in the economies. So given the products that we are selling, The coverage that we are providing to our policyholders is protecting them from different kind of life events And also accidents as an example. And with less people out and about driving, getting into car accidents, less people Playing sports, getting into sports accident, that drives both lower claims utilization on the accident line of policies, but also in The underlying of policies, but also in terms of our hospital indemnity products. So I would say that our claims activity is very much driven by mobility of people.

Speaker 1

Is there any sense

Speaker 9

like so like when you're talking about sales, you're able to provide like percentage of 2019 level. Can you do something Similar like how many like what percentage of claims, I guess, relative to 2019?

Speaker 4

Hey, Humphrey, this is I think if you look at Q2 2020 and Q2 2021, paid claim activity was pretty flat, Roughly about $3,000,000,000 lower in 2021, and that's reflective of people having restricted movements and what Max Just described, that is below, as he said, our long term expectation for pay claims.

Speaker 7

And I would say from the U. S. Side, consistent with what Max said, it's based on the type of policies that we that people are So in general, when you look at our short term disability policies, you may see higher utilization there, yet You don't see as high utilization on, for example, an accident policy.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Ryan Krueger of KBW. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. This is Fred. Are you able to provide any more color on the elderly care Product that you're developing and in particular, how it would differ from current medical products that would be purchased by elderly individuals?

Speaker 4

Sure. So the Care product under development, a couple of things that are very important. One is the product risk involved in the is not to be confused with what you may be familiar with relative to U. S. Long Term Care.

And there's some very fundamental reasons for that. This is a supplemental product and it supplements the actual Elderly Care, Government Support mechanism, and so it's a very specific supplement to that Government platform as opposed to broader universal care medical coverage. And it also is being designed to where payments are more on a lump sum basis for some of the lower levels of assisted care. And then when you move into the more significant levels of assisted care, there's more of a defined annuity Benefit. The reason I describe it that way is realize you do not have the escalating benefit structures, such as health care inflation.

You don't have the tail risk That's assumed with more of a lifetime coverage, if you will, once moving into assisted living. Therefore, you're not building nearly the reserves And therefore, don't have nearly the interest rate risk as well. So there's several different reasons why this should not be confused, for example, with other types of Gear Elderly Care Support, it really is a supplemental defined mechanism. The other is it plays directly off qualifications of the government program, and so it has a more narrow definition of what is covered and what is not covered than you might be used to in the U. S, Okay.

So it plays off those definitions. Now

Speaker 11

one thing to

Speaker 4

keep in mind is that this is the 3rd largest third sector Forum in Japan. This is not a new area that's newly developed. It's been in existence, but it's a smaller area of product sales. To give you an idea, it's probably roughly a quarter of the size of the medical supplemental industry in Japan. The key, however, is that we expect it to grow, that with an aging population and what we believe or at least expect will be shifting of burden onto individuals or their families related to elderly care that this will be a building platform over time.

And so we want to get in there now, we want to get in there with a competitive product, and we want to leverage off of our 3rd sector prominence. So that is the strategy. We will tell you more about this and build out more around this strategy when we get to our investor conference because it will be more developed at that time. But it's clearly something we think could be a difference maker in the future as we move forward.

Speaker 11

Thanks. I just had one follow-up. So are the current insurance carriers that offer this, are they mostly, I guess, the domestic Licensure is in Japan and you just haven't been in the market in the past and you're now going to enter it?

Speaker 4

They are. It's a narrower group of players than you will find with traditional first sector and some of the larger categories of 3rd sector, notably medical, but they are largely domestic players. One other aspect of this business that's important to understand is that many of the players that build successful market share in this industry Don't just sell the care insurance. They also surround the insurance with other non insurance services That's Supplement Healthily Care. Good example would be things like smart home technology that helps prevent, frankly, elderly individuals from going on claim We're better managing concierge type service to help the elderly manage the many different moving parts necessary to settle into an assisted living atmosphere.

So alongside this product, we're also building within an Incubated business, other care like non insurance services because that is one of the keys to building market share. So it's a larger and more expansive platform if you intend to be a leader in this business, Which we do. And again, we'll build more color around that as we go forward.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1

We have time for one more question and that question will come from John Barnidge of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Thanks for the opportunity. Can you maybe talk about the market opportunity to do in other states what you briefly talked about for Connecticut?

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Sure. There's this is Fred again. There's about 10 states right now, in fact, Connecticut was the 10th to put together this medical family Leave programs in their state. And we do believe that there's the opportunity for this To expand into further states in the future, these require typically fairly expensive legislative Activities within each of the states and because these are programs that cover effectively the employees Of all the qualified or opted in employers in the state, to give you an idea, in Connecticut, we are projecting when you add up The qualified employers who are likely to opt into this program that the coverage may include as much as a bit in excess of 1 point 5,000,000 potential participants in the state of Connecticut. So this is a substantial platform, but the nature of it And the nature of the program and the fact that it is a state organized benefit program offered up to opted in employees Means legislative activity typically needs to take place.

That takes time. And obviously, it can depend on the political atmosphere dynamics within the state legislators. So right now, 10 states, but we believe it will expand. I think a lot of that expansion, frankly, is going to be based on the success receptivity of the programs that are already in place. The good news is that Connecticut is a very important client for us.

We were very pleased to be awarded that. It's the capabilities of our acquired business from Zurich that allowed us to bid and be qualified to run that program, And we expect to use this as a foothold to entertain additional states.

Speaker 8

That was great, Fred.

Speaker 12

And a follow-up to that. Yes, I know legislative action needs to occur in the remaining 40 states, but is there an opportunity with The other 9 states that currently have the program? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Interestingly enough, when you look at the other 9 states, some of them outsource it, internally and then move to an outside provider for greater efficiencies, quality, specialization, And so some states do it in house, some states outsource it. So there's a mix of providers. One thing that's important is you're not taking a risk on this. And so some would consider this an Expensive TPA platform or administrative only platform. So you're not really competing on what you would call Insurance parameters, you're competing on your ability to administer the technology and service level that you drive to the consumer.

So one of the reasons why we like this contract is it really sends a strong statement to the marketplace that if you're an employer, You don't get this kind of contract unless you have premier service capabilities, strong technology and great customer service. Without that, you'd never qualify for these programs.

Speaker 1

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to David Young for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you. And thank you all for joining us here today. Looking ahead, we hope you'll join us on November 16th for our 2021 Financial Analyst Briefing. More details will follow. We look forward to speaking with you soon.

If you have any questions. Please follow-up with Investor and Rating Agency Relations. And I wish you all continued good health. Thank you.

Speaker 1

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect.

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