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Earnings Call: Q2 2013

Jul 31, 2013

Operator

Welcome to the Aflac second quarter earnings conference call. Your lines have been placed on a listen only until the question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Robin Wilkey, Senior Vice President of Aflac Investor and Rating Agency Relations. Ma'am, you may begin.

Robin Y. Wilkey
SVP of Investor and Rating Agency Relations, Aflac

Thank you. Good morning. Welcome to our second quarter call. Joining me this morning is Dan Amos, Chairman and CEO, Kriss Cloninger, President and CFO, Paul Amos, President of Aflac, Ken Janke, President of Aflac U.S., Executive Vice President and Deputy CFO of Aflac Incorporated, Eric Kirsch, Executive Vice President and Global Chief Investment Officer. Also joining us today from Japan are Tohru Tonoike, President and Chief Operating Officer of Aflac Japan, and Charles Lake, Chairman of Aflac Japan. Before we start, let me remind you that some statements in this teleconference are forward-looking within the meaning of federal securities laws. Although we believe these statements are reasonable, we can give no assurance that they will prove to be accurate because they're prospective in nature. Actual results could differ materially from those we discuss today.

We encourage you to look at our quarterly release for some of the various risk factors that could materially impact our results. I'll turn the program over to Dan, who will begin this morning with some comments about the quarter and our operations in Japan and the U.S. I'll follow up with a few financial highlights for the quarter. We will take your questions. Dan?

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

Thank you, Robin. Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. I am very pleased that we met and in many cases exceeded our financial targets for the second quarter. Let me begin with an update on Aflac Japan, our largest earnings contributor. Pre-tax earnings in JPY were up 20.1% for the quarter, primarily reflecting lower benefit and expense ratios. Additionally, revenues continued to be strong, growing by 10%. Given these results, we expect the expense ratio to increase in the second half of the year when we step up our spending. With the new medical product launch in August, we'll be increasing advertising and promotional expenditures. Additionally, we anticipate increasing spending on projects that improve our business over the long run.

Consistent with our expectation, Japan's new annualized premium sales in the second quarter were down 43.1% to JPY 30.3 billion, with WAYS production down sharply in the quarter. We had anticipated this decline for a couple of reasons. First, you'll recall that at the beginning of the quarter, premium rates for the First Sector products, including WAYS, increased to reflect lower assumed interest rates. Second, improved investment returns prompted many of the customers at banks to turn from WAYS-type insurance products to investment trust. As we've said, we expect the sales of the First Sector products, primarily WAYS, will continue to be down substantially for the remainder of the year. However, I want to remind you that for this year, our sales target is based on Aflac Japan's Third Sector products, which include cancer and medical insurance.

Third Sector sales were down 4.9% for the quarter, which was in line with our expectations and an improvement over the first quarter. Remaining the leading provider of Third Sector products is important to us and is the foundation of our product portfolio. We believe consumers will respond favorably to the new medical product we'll be introducing in mid-August. We expect this product will appeal especially to consumers in their 20s to 40s, an area which we are currently under-penetrated. I believe our 2013 objective of flat to up 5% increase in Third Sector sales is reasonable and achievable. As we look ahead with regard to cancer insurance sales, I am pleased with the new alliance agreement Aflac Japan signed with Japan Post Group last week.

The new agreement will further expand our partnership with Japan Post, which was initially established in 2008, enabling each company to maximize synergies in the insurance business. Japan Post has a nationwide distribution network that has earned the trust of Japanese consumers, and Aflac Japan is the industry leader in cancer insurance. Through this alliance, Japan Post intends to expand the number of post offices that offer Aflac's cancer products, gradually increasing from 1,000 post office outlets to 20,000 outlets. Also, subject to regulatory approval, Aflac Japan Post Insurance, also known as Kampo, will enter into an agency contract with Aflac Japan to begin distributing Aflac Japan's cancer insurance products at all of Kampo's 79 directly managed sale offices. Upon consultation with Japan Post Group, Aflac Japan will also consider developing an exclusive cancer product for both Japan Post and Kampo.

This new alliance agreement enhances our distribution and allows us to reach new consumers with the cancer insurance products. I believe Japan Post can and will become a meaningful contributor to our sales over the next several years. Let me remind you that cancer is the leading cause of death in Japan. With an aging population, the average incident rate of cancer will only increase in the future, and cancer is the most expensive illness to treat. We believe our products can be a part of the solution for people battling cancer and the related out-of-pocket expenses, and this alliance will help us reach more people. Now let me turn to the U.S. operation. Pre-tax earnings were up 9.9%, reflecting an improved benefit ratio.

Keep in mind, we will increase spending in the second half of the year, especially with initiatives related to the preparation of the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Premium income rose 3.5% with policy persistence remaining strong. Aflac US new sales increased 1.4% for the quarter, and for the first half of the year, they were down 1.9%. As you've heard me say many times before, we don't want anything to get between us and the customers. Our job is to be multifaceted in our distribution to make sure we have a presence where consumers want to purchase our products. There are different distribution possibilities we continue to work on, including creating private exchange that will help employers, our field force, and the brokerage community. While we're busy laying the groundwork for the future, we're still working hard to achieve our annual sales target.

Let me turn to investments. I am very pleased that for the first six months, our net investment income is ahead of plan. Our new money yield for the first half of the year in Japan was 3.02%, which is significantly higher than our new money yield of 2% in the first half of 2012. Currently, we are pursuing several strategies to accommodate the impact of the changing rate environment on the SMR, which we mentioned in our press release last night. Additionally, we are reweighting the current asset allocation for new money investments in Japan. You'll recall at the analyst meeting, we discussed that our plan was to designate two-thirds of our new money to U.S. corporate bonds and one-third to JGBs.

Our investment team is revisiting our asset allocation for new money investments and expects to allocate the majority of the third quarter cash flow to JGBs and underweight in the allocation of the U.S. corporate bond hedge. Just as the markets are fluid, we remain agile to respond properly, appropriately to the changing investment landscape. We will continue to consider diversification and liquidity as we approach various investment options. We also expect to come in close to our budget for the new money yield for the year. Turning to Aflac Incorporated, our consolidated financial performance was very strong for the quarter. Excluding the impact of foreign currency, operating earnings per diluted share rose 14.3% for the quarter and 9.9% for the first six months of the year.

While this puts us significantly ahead of the annual operating earnings per share objective, the comparison for the operating earnings per share in the third quarter will be difficult due to the tax benefit of JPY 0.10 per diluted share recognized last year in the third quarter. I also want to remind you of what I said earlier, we will increase spending in the second half of the year in both Japan and the United States. Our target remains to increase operating earnings per share in the range of 4%-7%, excluding the impact of the yen. Within that range, though, we anticipate operating earnings to increase approximately 5% for the full year before the impact of foreign currency. We've communicated, given our capital structure, our ability to repurchase shares is largely tied to profit repatriation. Just last week, we repatriated JPY 76.8 billion.

You'll recall that we entered into a hedging transaction with a vast majority of our anticipated repatriation at a weighted average exchange rate of JPY 96.4 to the dollar. In dollar terms, this profit repatriation was $795 million. As we've said for many years, when it comes to deploying excess capital, we still believe that growing the cash dividend and repurchasing our shares are the most attractive means. Those are the avenues we will continue to pursue. Our objective remains to grow the dividend at a rate that is in line with our operating earnings per share growth before the impact of the JPY. Aflac repurchased approximately $129 million or 2.3 million shares of its common stock in the second quarter. For the first half of the year, the company purchased $279 million or 5.3 million of its shares.

We have a lot of flexibility at the parent company in terms of liquidity. It's still our intention to repurchase $600 million of our shares for the full year. Additionally, our current plan remains to increase our share repurchase next year by repurchasing $600 million-$900 million of our shares. Generating an industry-leading return on equity, excluding the JPY impact, is also important. On an operating basis, our second quarter annualized ROE was 22.1%. Keep in mind, Aflac's ROE is sensitive to current fluctuations because we are largely hedged our equity in dollars, but not all of our earnings. That means that when the JPY weakens, our ROE declines. Had the JPY remained unchanged since the end of March, operating ROE would have been 26.4% in the second quarter.

Based on our year-to-date returns, I expect to meet or exceed our ROE target of 20%-25%, excluding the impact of foreign currency for the full year. Overall, I am pleased with Aflac's position in Japan and the U.S., the two largest insurance markets in the world. First and foremost, we are focused on protecting our policyholders and providing value to our investors. We are fortunate that we have the privilege of providing financial protection for more than 50 million people worldwide in the process. I'll turn the program back over to Robin. Robin?

Robin Y. Wilkey
SVP of Investor and Rating Agency Relations, Aflac

Thank you, Dan. Let me go through some brief numbers for the quarter, starting with Aflac Japan. Beginning with the currency impact, during the quarter, the JPY weakened against the dollar 18.8%. For the first six months of the year, the JPY weakened against the dollar 16.4%. In terms of top-line growth in JPY terms, revenues as reported were up 10% for the quarter. Excluding the impact of currency, revenues were up in the quarter 8.6%. The annualized persistency rate, including annuities in the quarter, showed strong improvement at 95.1%, compared to 94.7% last year. Net investment income as reported increased 16.6% for the quarter. If you exclude the benefit of the weaker JPY in the quarter on Aflac Japan's dollar-denominated investment income, our net investment income rose 6.8%.

In terms of the quarterly operating ratios, the benefit ratio to total revenues declined over last year, going from 62.0% a year ago to 61.5% in the second quarter. Excluding the impact of the weaker yen, the benefit ratio for the quarter was 62.3%. The expense ratio for the quarter was 17%, down from 18.4% a year ago. As a result of the lower expense ratio, pre-tax earnings increased 20.1% in the quarter. Excluding the impact of the yen, pre-tax earnings in the quarter increased 13.5%. Now let me turn to a few highlights for Aflac US. The benefit ratio to total revenues decreased over last year, going from 51.1% to 49.1% in the second quarter. This was primarily the result of a favorable industry-wide healthcare usage trend during the quarter. The annualized persistency rate for the first six months remained strong at 76.3%.

The expense ratio for the quarter was 31.4%, up from 30.6% a year ago. However, it was low compared with expectations for additional spending later in the year. The profit margin for the quarter increased to 19.5%, compared to 18.3% a year ago. Turning to investment activity for the quarter, starting with Aflac Japan. For the quarter, approximately $3 billion of Aflac Japan's new cash flow was invested in our hedged U.S. corporate bond program for a gross yield of 3.51% and an annualized hedge cost of 22 basis points. The yield net of hedging cost was 3.29%. This brings the year-to-date total cash flow invested in the U.S. corporate bond program to approximately $4.9 billion, with a total yield on the corporate bond portfolio of 3.59%, excluding hedge costs.

Since the inception of the program, the total cash flow invested in the U.S. corporate bond program is approximately $11.8 billion, with a total yield of 3.44%, excluding hedge costs. This is in line with our annual allocation expectation for this program. Approximately 27% of new cash flow was invested in JGBs in the second quarter, with an average yield of 1.68%. In terms of U.S. investments, the new money yield for the quarter was 3.70, an increase of one basis point from the first quarter. The yield on the portfolio at the end of June was 6.11%, down eight basis points from the first quarter and 43 basis points from a year ago. Turning to some other items in the quarter, non-insurance interest expense in the second quarter was $48 million, compared to $45 million a year ago.

At the end of the quarter, cash and cash equivalents at the parent company level were $1.3 billion. On an operating basis, the tax rate decreased from 34.9% a year ago to 34.4%. Operating ROE as reported for the quarter was 22.1%, and excluding the impact of the yen, operating ROE for the quarter was 26.3%. During the quarter, we also executed on a securities lending transaction of $1.2 billion. This was a short-term transaction that will mature in the third quarter. One of the strategies that we're pursuing to accommodate the impact of the changing rate environment on our SMR is policy reserve matching or PRM. The PRM investment strategy is a GAAP accounting treatment that considers the financial characteristics of insurance companies and is widely used in Japan by other companies. The PRM also promotes asset and liability management.

This method provides better liquidity and is not subject to the mark-to-market accounting treatment of the available for sale. Lastly, let me comment on our earnings outlook for the remainder of 2013. You heard us affirm our annual objective to increase operating EPS 4%-7% with the expectation of a 5% excluding the impact of the yen. If the yen averages 95 to 105 for the full year, we would expect to report operating earnings of $5.83-$6.37 per diluted share for the full year. For the third quarter, using that same currency assumption, we would expect operating earnings to be in the range of $1.41-$1.51 per diluted share. We'd be happy to take your questions. Let me remind you that to be fair to everyone, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up only that relates to that initial question.

We're ready to begin now.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we are ready to begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your touchtone phone. You will be announced prior to asking your question. To withdraw your request, you may press star two. At this time, to ask a question, please press star one. One moment please for the first question. First question, Jeroen Kinner from Deutsche Bank.

Yaron Kinar
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Good morning, everybody. I want to touch a little bit more on the Japan Post deal, first of all, understand if the 0.5% guidance for Third Sector growth in sales, is that at all impacted by that deal?

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

No, that does not include anything with Japan Post.

Yaron Kinar
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay.

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

Charles Lake and Tohru are on the line, and the three of us were at the news conference on Friday. Let me see if they want to add any to that.

Tohru Tonoike
President and COO, Aflac Japan

Yes. This is Tohru Tonoike. That is correct. Our original expectation of 0.25% growth for the Third Sector does not include anything from the Japan Post. At the same time, I have to remind you that we start an operation under the new agreement beginning October 1st this year. We will start by adding not all of the 20,000 offices, but just only a part of it because we want to make sure that we will have the Japan Post offices start selling our products after both Japan Post and we are comfortable that we have provided sufficient training to the employees regarding the features of our product and the new market conduct rules. We will begin that operation rather small and then increase over time.

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

Let me make a couple comments about Japan Post is that number 1 is it's the largest insurance company in the world with over $1 trillion in assets. It also is the largest company in terms of employees. Remember that these 79 agencies at the insurance company of Japan Post has never sold for us. These agencies would be equivalent to mega agencies in the U.S. As I said on CNBC this morning, this is a game changer for us in terms of what can take place in the future. Charles, you were very instrumental in this. Any comments from you?

Charles D. Lake II
Chairman, Aflac Japan

I think you outlined everything, but I think the important point also to talk about is the fact that this is a corporate group, Japan Post Group. This alliance deal was not only with Japan Post, the network, and Japan Post Insurance, but Japan Post Group as a whole. Dan, you signed that document with the CEO of the Japan Post Group, so that makes the agreement even stronger in my view.

Operator

Thank you.

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

Does that answer your question?

Operator

Our next question comes from Jimmy Bhullar from JPMorgan.

Jamminder Bhullar
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi, good morning. Just a question on U.S. sales. Dan, you mentioned you're still comfortable that sales will pick up in the second half of the year. I would have assumed that with the healthcare reform coming on, that smaller employers would be more preoccupied with that and wouldn't really want to put on or enhance their offering and put on new products on the shelf. I just was wondering what gives you the comfort that sales in the U.S. won't actually deteriorate in the second half, just given all this uncertainty that healthcare reform is going to create?

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

As I said, because right now we're within 1% down, I think it's a reasonable assessment that we can achieve it. I do not have the comfort level with the U.S. as I do with Japan in terms of achieving the objectives. I am very comfortable, even though Japan looks like it's coming further from behind. This new product that they're getting this month, I feel very good, and Paul could relate more to that because he's been more involved. With the U.S., Jimmy, I am concerned that because of the delays and the other things, it can have an impact. We've got some things that we're working on. For example, we have a toll-free number that will go online effective the middle of August to where our agents can call in and ask questions.

I think some of our agents are a little bit reluctant to go out and talk about healthcare reform with the fear that they won't know all the answers. We'll have this safety net of this toll-free number they can call that will allow them to feel more comfortable calling on the employers, new and old for re-enrollment, new to do that may help us in the second half. I am counting on that as being something that will help us. Your concern is something we, too, worry a little bit about.

Jamminder Bhullar
Analyst, JPMorgan

You had mentioned that you've already, you had started to hedge capital repatriation, and you've repatriated the amount for 2013. What are your thoughts on capital repatriation for 2014 and whether you want to hedge that for currency moves?

Kenneth S. Janke Jr.
EVP and Deputy CFO, Aflac

Well, Jimmy, this is Ken. Let me comment on that. As I'd mentioned at the analyst meeting in May, we had begun to hedge a portion of our expected 2014 repatriation. You may recall that I talked about the possibility of about JPY 96 billion to JPY 98 billion in repatriation next year. As of today, we'll probably hold with this for the time being, we've hedged JPY 47 billion. As far as what we ultimately pull out, the same commentary that we would've said a year ago applies to now, meaning we have to see how the macro environment changes between now and next June. What the impact might be on realized or unrealized gains in making the final determination about how much we pull out. That's where we stand today.

Jamminder Bhullar
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Christopher Giovanni from Goldman Sachs.

Christopher Giovanni
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks so much. Good morning. I guess I'm trying to better understand the investment strategy and kind of the capital interplay here. Obviously, the bond program was successful. You got the 150, 200 basis point pickup relative to JGBs, which I think you felt good about given the excess liquidity it gave you and the diversification. Now with the move-up in rates, shifting back to that JGB strategy. Just some additional commentary there. Then thoughts on kind of the BMR type strategy versus available for sale or held to maturity. I think others have looked at this. What are some restrictions there? I think potentially things need to be sold and then re-bought, which you might not want to do kind of given the move-up in rates. Just any thoughts there on the interplay? Thanks.

Eric M. Kirsch
EVP and Global Chief Investment Officer, Aflac

Sure. Hey, Chris, it's Eric. I'll grab that one, and then Ken or Kriss may jump in on the SMR side. To take a step back on the investment strategy, just to remind everybody, we did a very thorough strategic asset allocation project back in 2012, which took into account liabilities, assets, our surplus, and basically created our guidepost in terms of an optimal portfolio that economically, over the long term, would help us grow the surplus with minimal volatility. An SAA, as you know, is a guidepost. It's a long-term range plan. Important in our investment decisions is what we call tactical asset allocation.

Just because we have the guidepost, we have to sit down as investors, my group, and think about the macro environment of the world, credit fundamentals, and whether or not any particular day, month, quarter, keeping to that exact guidepost makes sense or making some adjustments. I think we've always said part of the build-out of our investment function is to be more flexible so that we're not buy and hold, but rather buy and manage and be able to adapt to different market environments. I think it's no surprise to anybody on the phone that we have just gone through in the second quarter, one of the highest rates of volatility relative to rates that we have seen since 2008.

If you go back to the financial crisis and you look at Treasury volatility options, you'll see the greatest amount of volatility when the Fed came in and plunged trillions of dollars into the system. At that time, you saw rates plummet. That was very intense. We're seeing the unwinding of that as we saw the Federal Reserve come into the market in May or so and announce the potential for tapering the QE3 program. That caused from peak to trough, the 10-year Treasury to go from 170 to 270. In our view, from a tactical standpoint, we're in a volatile interest rate environment, and I should say Japan as well, because with their central bank policies, we saw yields on April 5th plummet and then come back up. If anything, if Japan is successful, there'll be some pressure on their rates, too.

With that in mind, and with the growth of the corporate program, which has grown on the trajectory we expected, in fact, it's a little ahead of our projections. With the fact that from the standpoint, as Dan mentioned, our investment yields and investment income, we're actually running ahead of budget. We made the tactical decision to sit on the sidelines for now, re-weight that allocation more heavier towards JGBs for the third quarter, and let's see what happens with the Federal Reserve in September. As you know today, economic numbers on GDP were strong. The Treasury's backing up. Tomorrow we may get some weak economic numbers. Our standpoint is we'd rather stand on the sideline through the volatility because we're performing on all of our metrics.

Even if we stayed at this new allocation, we still expect the range of the % allocation to the corporate program by the end of the year to be very close to our expected ranges, because we are a little ahead in terms of the funding of that. That's a little background on the decision around the asset allocation. Now, let me turn to some of your questions on PRM, AFS, HTM, and SMR. Historically, here at Aflac, as you know, we've used HTM, held to maturity, both for a big portion of our JGBs and historically our private placements, a large % went in HTM. On the outlook that, as you know, we have low liquidity needs. We don't have a lot of liquidity needs, and we really can't afford to hold assets for a long time.

Nevertheless, we did learn as we went through the financial crisis, particularly with non-JGBs, HTM is very difficult because if you do need to make credit adjustments, the accountants really put collars on you in terms of your ability to get it out of HTM and make an adjustment. The corporate program really was designed to be an AFS, so we can buy and manage it and not have that on us going forward. Where SMR is today and the large rate rise that we saw in U.S. rates and rates rising in Japan, in terms of the impact to our SMR, we fully anticipated with that kind of rate rise, we would see our SMR drop to where it is today. As Dan mentioned, and Kriss will as well, it's within the range we expected, 500%-600%.

Nevertheless, our sensitivity now to can rates continue to go up is higher from our standpoint, and the sensitivity to our available for sale portfolio feeds into the SMR calculations going forward. In that respect, we are pursuing a couple of hedging strategies, if I could call it that, so that if rates should continue to rise, whether in Japan or the U.S., we have some built-in protections to the portfolio, which will directly impact and benefit the SMR. Specifically, Robin talked about PRM, policy reserve matching. PRM, for most of our Japan peers, is the more commonly used method as opposed to HTM. PRM is favorable in that unlike HTM, we do get the favorable accounting treatment if we have an asset, JGBs in PRM. We don't have to mark them to market for purposes of SMR.

However, we're allowed to trade those JGBs for asset liability management purposes. That's a valuable tool to us. Our liabilities can change as rates go up and down. That gives us more flexibility than HTM. To mitigate interest rate risk to the yen market, it is our plan to move a number of our JGBs from the existing AFS into PRM, and that will help mitigate interest rate risk. That will happen over the next few months, as we certainly want to be cognizant of transaction costs. With respect to U.S. rates, we are exploring interest rate hedging strategies. We can't really put U.S. corporate assets in PRM. That's not an appropriate place for them. PRM was built and the rules are around JGBs. We're looking at more interest rate hedging strategies.

As all of you recollect at FAB, I talked about currency hedging strategies, which we're now moving into our pilot programs, and collars and different options. That same concept is what we're applying to interest rates. We're working carefully with our management and team in Japan, our management here in the U.S., to calibrate the sensitivity of SMR, if you will, to changes in these different risk factors, yen rates and U.S. rates primarily, to come up with the right percentages of these hedging techniques. One's accounting, PRM. Hedging strategies for U.S. would be more economic, if you will. Give us the flexibility. If rates rise, we'll have protections against declining values in the AFS security. Let me stop there and see if anybody wants to add anything or any other questions on that.

Kenneth S. Janke Jr.
EVP and Deputy CFO, Aflac

This is Ken. I think that's a pretty thorough answer. The one thing I'd point out is not only are the corporate dollar assets not an appropriate investment for PRM, it's been our policy historically to not put them in HTM as well. Our dollar assets are typically kept in AFS, and that's one of the reasons that the unusual spike in rates had the impact it did on SMR, because we had more exposure through AFS.

Christopher Giovanni
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Understood. Very helpful. Then just one follow-up question here on the August product. I guess, can you comment a little bit about maybe pricing changes there? Some of the press has reported, I guess, 30% declines in rates for maybe a younger consumer, which I think's maybe a bit more than we would have thought, but consistent with, Dan, your comments at the FAB meeting that maybe the younger age cohort needs to pay a little less, and the older group needs to pay a little more. Just some pricing comments around the different age cohorts would be helpful. Thanks.

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

Tohru?

Tohru Tonoike
President and COO, Aflac Japan

Yes. I think that is correct. The new product is focused on the relatively young age customers. We have chosen the characteristics which we think would appeal to that age group. There are some adjustments in the pricing based on the ages, but overall profitability are pretty much the same as before. We do not expect any substantial change in the overall profitability.

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

This is Kriss. I'll second Tohru's comments on that. I think what we found is that relative to competition, we think we perhaps overcharged the lower premium rate classifications and undercharged the higher premium rate classifications for expenses. You can spread expenses any number of ways, but we've found that we tend to be more competitive at the higher premium rates and less competitive at the lower premium rates. We tried to move toward a better balance between the higher and lower premium rates relative to our competition. The lower rates went down some, the higher rates went up some. In the aggregate, based on the distribution we expect to sell, we ought to have about the same profitability on the new product as the old.

Christopher Giovanni
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Next question, John Nadel from Sterne Agee.

John Nadel
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Thank you. Good morning. Just a real quick numbers question. The JPY 76.8 billion repatriation this month, or just shy of $800 million, that seems like, if I recall, that's a bit above where you were expecting that repatriation to come in. Can you just help us understand what drove the upside? Then can you just level set, where's parent company cash, including the repatriation? Is that JPY 2.1 billion?

Kenneth S. Janke Jr.
EVP and Deputy CFO, Aflac

John, this is Ken. First up, at the analyst meeting, we said then that we estimated repatriation would be JPY 70 billion-JPY 75 billion.

John Nadel
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Okay

Kenneth S. Janke Jr.
EVP and Deputy CFO, Aflac

That represented 80% of estimated FSA earnings. FSA earnings came in a little bit better. I can't point to any specific reason why, but we retained the 80% remittance, and that's what drove it up to JPY 76.8 billion.

John Nadel
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Okay. The cash at the holding company then is, I just add the $800 million to the $1.3 billion at the end of the quarter, and we're there?

Kenneth S. Janke Jr.
EVP and Deputy CFO, Aflac

It's not all at the parent at this point. Right now, if you look at on an operating basis, we had $576 million at the parent company at the end of June. That excludes the net proceeds from the debt issuance we had because that's basically pledged toward debt servicing in future periods. The repatriation that we brought back, the $795 million, right now is warehoused at Aflac, then on a quarterly basis, as we dividend up for the parent company's needs, it will be moved up to the parent company to support things like share repurchase and dividends. It's not all there right now.

John Nadel
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Got it. That's helpful. I guess the second question is, if I just take a step back and think about this quarter, and you're delivering operationally, I think on every single metric or exceeding on every single metric. Maybe there's a little bit of touch, weakness on sales, but it seems like you've got confidence in the back half. Your stock is down, and I think that's all about this SMR. Can you just help us understand? I know you just went through the strategy, this PRM, maybe a few other things you're considering on the U.S. side to hedge against rates. How much urgency is there inside the company to get this done and help your investors be very confident that that SMR is going to be stable at or near the upper end of your targeted range from here?

10-year treasury yields are up eight basis points today just off of GDP, et cetera. It's moving quickly. I just wonder how quickly Aflac is moving.

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

This is Kriss. I'll take a stab at that. It's a little ironic to me, John, as I was reflecting on last quarter's conference call where y'all were giving me grief that the SMR was too high and we needed to move more capital out of Japan. This quarter, as Eric summarized, we had the significant spike in interest rates that drove the value of AFS assets down from the level it was at March 31. I do want to point out that the fair value of the yen-denominated AFS assets are still right at par. We had a significant unrealized gain at the end of the first quarter that basically went away in the second quarter. I tried to tell the investment community on the first quarter call that we don't tend to count on unrealized gains as a major source of capital.

We know they're variable, they fluctuate, they go up and down. They went down this quarter. Instead of being way over the 500-600 target, which we were at the end of the first quarter, we're down at the high end of the 500-600 target. All that being said, we do feel some sense of urgency to protect our SMR levels from further deterioration associated with marking AFS assets to market. I will say, getting on a soapbox a little bit, this is more of an accounting issue to me than a capital adequacy issue. If you look at our RBC ratio, it's over 700% at June 30th. I know you all are going to give me grief, how can you let RBC go over 700%? Why is SMR down if RBC is up?

The answer is, it's all related to accounting for those AFS classified assets and marking one group to market for FSA purposes and carrying the same group at amortized cost for U.S. statutory purposes. All that being said, we've got to pay attention to SMR. We're doing it in addition to the accounting issues, and I hate to let accounting drive economics, but I've got to be mindful that accounting is important. We've got multiple levers that we're analyzing in terms of the cost-benefit relationship of exercising some of our options to insulate SMR to any further significant declines beyond our target range. What we're trying to do is get comfortable that we're pursuing the most efficient approach from a cost to capital point of view. Some of the strategies don't cost anything. That's the PRM that Eric summarized.

Other strategies have some modest cost, but relatively immaterial. Then some other strategies we would probably only look at if we felt pressed, shall I say.

John Nadel
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Okay.

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

We've got a number of levers we're trying to evaluate, John, and I know you know that this is what we're paid to do, so we're after it.

John Nadel
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Just real quick, if we fast-forward to this time three months from now and we're on the conference call, is it fair for us to assume that one or more of those levers will have been pulled?

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

Yes.

John Nadel
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Next question, Mark Finkelstein from Evercore.

Mark Finkelstein
Analyst, Evercore

Good morning. Maybe I'll ask a follow-up to Nadel's question. I guess maybe if we think about it this way, a 100 basis point move in rates is roughly 200 SMR points, give or take. Based on these strategies that you're undertaking, what is your target for that same sensitivity?

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

Well, I think one of the things we're doing is working on what the people are calling risk appetite statements. I think within the framework of risk appetite statements, we will provide guidelines to our operating people regarding our minimum target values for items like SMR. The 500-600 range we've quoted have been kind of an informal statement of risk appetite. We've communicated a lot of financial targets in the past, and that's pretty much what we operate on. We're going to try to stay in those zones. We obviously want to avoid concern on the part of the regulators. That's an overriding objective, too. Ken, you got any other thoughts on that?

Kenneth S. Janke Jr.
EVP and Deputy CFO, Aflac

I don't know that I can add to that.

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

Okay. Mark, I don't know if that was responsive.

Mark Finkelstein
Analyst, Evercore

Well, I guess maybe just if you don't want to give a number, can we say that that sensitivity will likely be substantially reduced when we look at March 31st data next year?

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

That'll be our objective, yeah. That'll be our objective, is to reduce the sensitivity.

Kenneth S. Janke Jr.
EVP and Deputy CFO, Aflac

Okay.

The overriding objective is to keep the SMR within the 500-600 target at various interest rate scenarios, both JPY and USD. That's what we're looking at, is what keeps it in that range.

Mark Finkelstein
Analyst, Evercore

Okay. I think I heard you, Kriss, say that the cost on the JGB side is nil and the cost to, I guess, execute the strategy on the corporate bond side is immaterial. I think I heard you say that. I guess the obvious question is, why haven't we been doing this all along then?

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

Well, we haven't seen the volatility in interest rates, for example. I think the thing we're looking at on the corporate bond strategy is probably interest rate hedging strategies. That has a cost associated with it, depending on the level of risk and sensitivity we want to retain. We're going through kind of a cost effectiveness modeling exercise on that strategy. The PRM does have some cost to it because we would have to do some JGB transactions. You can't just reclassify them accounting-wise. You've got to classify them when you acquire them, so we would have to sell some JGBs and buy similar replacements and the like to get them reclassified. The cost isn't material considering the overall effect. I think it's something like one to two basis points on the trade. Eric, do you have any other comments?

Eric M. Kirsch
EVP and Global Chief Investment Officer, Aflac

Yes. I'd like to add, Mark, just a couple of comments to put in context. We've been very open since I've been here around our transformation. Taking a step back, as you know, historically, before I got here, the investment strategy was just very focused on either JGBs or private placements and HTM. The tools and the sophistication and the intellectual capital to do interest rate hedging strategies, which obviously encompass doing derivative type strategies, modeling your portfolios, understanding these sensitivities are quite complex as you can all appreciate. Two years ago, when I got here, we were just not equipped to do that, whether it be the systems, the technology, having the appropriate operations set up to do all that, the legal agreements with broker dealers, et cetera.

Part of our transformation program, a big part, is designed so we can do all the investment techniques in the market that are necessary to run a large balance sheet. The good news that I could tell you is we do have that intellectual capital now. We have the systems capabilities to do the modeling, and we're doing that with the highest priority, which is what Kriss commented on before. These are new for Aflac, so it has to go through the appropriate governance procedures. We have to ensure the appropriate operational capabilities are set up to hit that aspiration. In all of those things, the good news is we're well along in our transformation where we can, in fact, be working on these things. We've got a little bit more to go before we'd be prepared to execute.

As Kriss said, by the time we have this call in the third quarter, we'll be able to tell you about the progress of PRM because that's live and that's moving along as we speak. The analysis and ability to do the interest rate hedging on the U.S. portion is well along in its analysis, and in a few weeks, we'll be able to move to our ability to execute and do transactions to do that. I think we'll have good news for you by the end of the quarter, but that gives you the answer to why hasn't it been done before, hopefully.

Mark Finkelstein
Analyst, Evercore

Okay. One very quick follow-up. I know that on WAYS sales, you kind of gave a couple different reasons, one of which was a shift to kind of trust. I'm just actually curious if you've seen any changes in surrender activity on the product you sold in 2011 and 2012 with just the kind of the change in Japanese markets.

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

No, we haven't. I think it's too early to see that. Our products have significant surrender charges in them prior to the time they become paid up, and that really won't occur until 2016, 2017.

Mark Finkelstein
Analyst, Evercore

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Schuman from KBW.

Jeff Schuman
Analyst, KBW

Thanks. Good morning. I was wondering if you could give us a little bit more big picture perspective on Japan Post. I think it's pretty widely understood that Japan Post wanted to manufacture their own cancer product. I'm wondering if we should think of your arrangement as maybe a temporary one until the IPO, at which point they might reconsider competing against you with their own products, or how should we think about it, the relationship longer term?

Kriss Cloninger III
President and CFO, Aflac

I'm going to let Charles Lake answer that.

Charles D. Lake II
Chairman, Aflac Japan

Yes. This deal was structured as a long-term relationship deal, it is detailed in that regard. It is an exclusive agreement that makes it very clear that Japan Post Group, including Japan Post Insurance, will be offering Aflac cancer product. Again, I may be repeating what Tohru and Dan talked about, but Japan Post Group has Japan Post Insurance as well as Japan Post, the Network Company. The Network Company has 20,000 post offices that has 100,000 licensed agents. As Tohru talked about, we'll be training them and so on, but they're already insurance agents that are trained. They are going to be selling, eventually, when we reach 20,000, that is 100,000 agents gradually down the road, Aflac insurance and Aflac branded insurance that we'll jointly develop with them. The third component of this deal that was announced, again, makes that very clear.

It is a long-term relationship that we have structured here. This is a special product that we will work with them, hear their views, and then develop, but it is an Aflac branded product. In many ways, as Dan talked about this deal, it is a game changer. It is indeed a precedent setting. Other insurance companies have had some access to the channel, but we are making, in many ways, setting a precedent here in a way that makes this a very big deal in Japan. If media coverage in Japan, all the front page articles that appeared when the deal was announced is any indication, all primetime news covering this deal is any indication, that kind of a deal is not going to be a two-year, three-year deal that only was structured for the IPO.

Hopefully I've given you enough or some of the flavor of the nature of the deal in a way and why we believe it's a long term.

Jeff Schuman
Analyst, KBW

Thanks, Charles. That's all very helpful. Just to be crystal clear, when you say exclusive, that clearly means they won't sell some other third parties, but are they precluded from manufacturing their own product?

Charles D. Lake II
Chairman, Aflac Japan

It is an exclusive deal that Japan Post Insurance will not be developing its own cancer product.

Jeff Schuman
Analyst, KBW

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question, Steven Schwartz from Raymond James & Associates.

Steven Schwartz
Analyst, Raymond James

Hi. Follow-up on that one. I guess two things. The original deal was structured in 2007. Obviously, this deal has more of the post outlets, but I think the assumption had been that you were going to expand from the original amount. I guess my first question is, this didn't really sell well the first time around. I guess, what's different this time?

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

I want to answer that.

Charles D. Lake II
Chairman, Aflac Japan

Please, Dan, yes. Okay, Dan.

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

Then you can, Charles. If you'll remember, when we announced, I specifically said, "Don't get your hopes up too high on Japan Post." I specifically said that the banks would be much bigger than would be the post office. Everyone got real excited, and our stock hit all-time highs at that time. I was always felt that we needed to temper it because we did not have the network or the group, as we call it. We only had one part of it, and the insurance company and these agencies were not a part of it. We never knew exactly what would happen. Would the post develop their own product? Would they not? This is now totally different. Now I'm willing to say this is a big deal, and so I'm very excited about that.

Steven Schwartz
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Unless somebody else is going to chime in. Back in 2007, if I remember correctly, Dan, I do remember that you talking about the banks versus the post office and the banks being much bigger. I do think that you were thinking at the time that the post office might be as big as Dai-ichi back in the day, which was about JPY 10 billion or so. Is that reasonable to think about?

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

We're not going to make any comments on numbers at this point. We're in too early stage, but as I said on CNBC, this is a game changer, and I'm willing to make that comment, but I can't quote numbers at this point. We've agreed to wait and see with Japan Post, and so it would be improper at this time.

Steven Schwartz
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, I appreciate that. Thanks, guys.

Robin Y. Wilkey
SVP of Investor and Rating Agency Relations, Aflac

We've got two minutes left, so we'll take the last call, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question today comes from Suneet Kamath from UBS.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, UBS

Quick follow-up on Japan Post, then another on the SMR. On the Post, it seems like another difference this time around is the 79 direct sales outlets that come with the deal. What is your expectation that you'd start to sell through those outlets?

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

Charles?

Charles D. Lake II
Chairman, Aflac Japan

Should I answer that?

Yes. Dan?

Yes. That would be an agency arrangement between two insurance companies, just as it was the case with Dai-ichi, it requires an approval from FSA. We will be working on that. Pending approval for FSA, as soon as we receive that approval, we'll begin that process. Again, I think Dan hit all the key points, maybe I'm repeating what he said, this deal with the entire group, with the holding company, that ultimately makes it an integrated deal, makes it special. It's not just the Japan Post Insurance Agency, but the Japan Post Network both combined in a coherent strategy to implement as a group an exclusive deal to sell Aflac cancer product. That's what makes this a game changer.

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

Charles, you might mention about new management.

Charles D. Lake II
Chairman, Aflac Japan

Yes. That's a very important point. Mr. Nishimuro, the new CEO of Japan Post Holdings, is one of the most highly respected international businesspersons in Japan, former CEO of Toshiba and former CEO of Tokyo Stock Exchange. He has taken on this leadership role, and he has expressed his vision for the IPO and working together with different companies. We're one of the first companies that have structured the deal and made the announcement. He also made a very kind statement in the press release that we issued. This is a private sector CEO with demonstrated record of success in the global economy, and Dan and Nishimuro-s an have had a wonderful meeting, and we are looking forward to that strategic cooperation in that regard as well with this new management team.

I also want to mention Mr. Ishii, who is the president of Japan Post Insurance, Mr. Takahashi from Japan Post Network Company. All are combined, working together as a team with us. Tohru and I had a number of meetings with them, and we're very much looking at this as a long-term and working in a way that will make this a big success. All of this is very positive in our view.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, UBS

Okay. I guess maybe I'll just follow up on Japan Post. When we went down this road with the banks, it turned out that the banks wanted a really different product than what you guys were selling through your other channels, both in terms of how the product was structured, I believe also in terms of how they were paid commission-wise. I guess that initially, I believe what you're going to sell through Japan Post is the same cancer product that you're selling today. I guess as we think about Japan Post wanting to create their own product, also going public and wanting to be profitable, could we see something similar as we saw with the banks in terms of maybe a modified product that may not be similar to the cancer insurance products that you guys have sold through other channels?

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

No. It'll be similar, but it'll have Japan Post stamp on it, that it's what they want. It'll be same profit margins and much similar. It'll still be a cancer policy. It's not like we're all of a sudden going to be in WAYS or somewhere else. This is going to be very similar how you would view it from an analyst perspective.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, UBS

Got it. Same margin, same benefit ratio, all that stuff.

Daniel P. Amos
Chairman and CEO, Aflac

Exactly.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, UBS

Perfect. Okay. Thank you.

Robin Y. Wilkey
SVP of Investor and Rating Agency Relations, Aflac

All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate all of you joining us today. If you'd like to follow up with any questions, I'll be available. Thank you very much. Bye-bye.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining, and all parties may disconnect at this time.