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Earnings Call: Q4 2014

Feb 27, 2015

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the AMERISAFE fourth quarter earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. Later, we will have a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, you may press star and then zero on your touch-tone telephone. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Michael Raschke, CFO. Please go ahead.

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

Thank you, Nicholas. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the AMERISAFE fourth quarter and year-end 2014 investor call. If you have not received the earnings release, it is available on our website at www.amerisafe.com. This call is being recorded. A replay of today's call will be available. Details on how to access the replay are in the earnings release. During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results could materially differ because of factors discussed in today's earnings release, in the comments made during this call, and in the Risk Factors section of our Form 10-K, Form 10-Qs, and other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statement.

I will now turn the call over to Allen Bradley, AMERISAFE's Chairman and CEO.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to AMERISAFE's fourth quarter 2014 earnings call. As usual, I'll make a few remarks about the marketplace and then turn the call over to Janelle Frost and Mike Raschke for more details on the company's performance from an operational and financial perspective. As I mentioned last quarter, despite an increase in competition, the workers' compensation market remains attractive. In terms of pricing, our expectation of plateauing pricing and even slight downward movement has been realized. Industry pricing surveys by both the Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers and MarketScout have confirmed that prediction. We continue to believe that there will be a drift downward in pricing over the near term.

Considering that prices on an effective ELCM basis have been at historical highs, we consider this decline in pricing to be normal, and it does not negatively impact our view of the market as an attractive one. An expanding workforce will translate into growth of written premium. As long as claims frequency and severity trends remain in a favorable direction, the market will be robust. Lower investment returns will impact the insurer's decisions on pricing in the coming quarters. With those general comments, let me turn it over to Janelle to talk about operations.

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Thank you, Allen, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased with this year's operating results, reporting an 87.9% combined ratio. These results were driven by our underwriting discipline and extensive claims management. Our top line grew $21.6 million, or 5.8% for the full year, but was slightly down for the fourth quarter by 0.8%. The decline quarter-over-quarter was attributable to new business, which shrank 28.7% in the quarter. We believe our pricing contributed to the new business decline. Our ELCM for the quarter for all business was 1.81, down from 1.86 in last year's fourth quarter and up from the third quarter's 1.80. We signaled for the last few quarters that our pricing had peaked. We had six consecutive quarters of an ELCM in excess of 1.80 in a competitive marketplace.

We continue to maintain our underwriting discipline, but we must be careful not to price ourselves out of the market. Offsetting the new business decline was growth in our renewal business and audit premium. Renewal premium grew 8.4% in the quarter. Policy retention was 92.3%, flat with the prior year quarter. Audit premium and related adjustments remained positive this quarter at $4.5 million, up from $3.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2013. For the full year, audit premium and related adjustments were additive to the top line to the tune of $16.8 million. We believe this results from the national economic activity reflected in greater than expected work activity for our insureds. Relative to losses, our current accident year loss and LAE ratio remained at 71.5% this quarter. Frequency trends were favorable for 2014, and severity was within our expectations.

Our claims reported in calendar year 2014 were up 2.9% to 5,785. This is in contrast to earned premium growth of 13.9% for the year. The quarter was positively impacted by favorable development from prior accident years. Case development led to $10 million of favorable loss development in the quarter, compared to $4.4 million of favorable development in the fourth quarter of 2013. This quarter's favorable development was primarily attributable to accident years 2010 and 2012. That concludes my prepared remarks. I'll now turn to Mike to discuss our financial performance.

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

Thank you, Janelle. Taking a look at the financials. For the fourth quarter of 2014, AMERISAFE reported net income of $16.9 million, or $0.89 per share, compared to $17.4 million, or $0.92 per share in the fourth quarter of 2013. For the year, earnings rose 23% to a record $53.7 million, or $2.84 per share. From an operating earnings perspective, a non-GAAP measure, operating earnings rose 19.8% to $53.2 million in 2014, equating to $2.81 per share. Revenues for the fourth quarter of 2014 grew to $104.9 million, up 11.2% from $94.3 million one year ago, and rose 13.4% to $404 million during 2014. Net premiums earned increased 12% from the year-ago quarter to $97.1 million and rose 13.9% year-over-year, reflecting the strength in our premium written over the past year and the impact of our 2014 reinsurance treaty, which offered a higher risk retention.

Net investment income totaled $7.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2014, a 6% increase from the $6.8 million recorded in the fourth quarter of 2013. The tax-equivalent yield on our investment portfolio was 3.5% for the fourth quarter of 2014, down from the 3.9% reported in the fourth quarter of 2013. Including cash and cash equivalents, the company's portfolio is now valued at just over $1.1 billion, with 57.8% in securities classified as held to maturity, carrying net unrealized gains of $24.7 million. As of December 31, 2014, municipal bonds made up 49% of the investment portfolio. The portfolio continues to carry a double A-minus rating with an average duration of approximately 2.9 years. Turning to expenses. Our current accident year loss ratio remained at 71.5% for the quarter, compared to 73.2% a year ago.

Our incurred loss and loss adjustment expenses totaled $59.3 million for the quarter, which included $10 million of favorable prior year development attributable primarily to accident years 2012 and 2010. This compares to loss and loss adjustment expenses of $59.1 million in last year's fourth quarter, which included $4.4 million of favorable prior year development. In total, our net loss ratio for the fourth quarter of 2014 was 61.1%, compared to 68.2% for the fourth quarter of 2013. For the year, our net loss ratio was 65.2%, with favorable prior year development of $23.7 million, which compares favorably to the 69.4% and $12.6 million of favorable prior year development during 2013. Total underwriting and other expenses rose to $21.6 million, compared to $10.1 million in the fourth quarter of 2013.

The year-over-year increase in the quarter primarily resulted from the following: a one-time accrual reversals of $3.2 million in 2013 related to allowance for doubtful accounts and retaliatory taxes. A $6.7 million change in contingent profit commission, which reflects a $2.8 million accrual reversal for 2014 due to two large claims which occurred in late December, and a 2013 contingent profit commission recognition of $3.9 million. Finally, there was a $0.5 million reduction in ceding commission. The changes in the latter two items, contingent profit commission and ceding commission, reflect the expense impact resulting from our 2014 reinsurance treaty, which increased our retention, as I said, from $1 million to $2 million but lowered our contingent profit and ceding commission opportunity. Also of note in the quarter, controllable expenses rose by just $72,000 during the fourth quarter year-over-year.

With regard to retaliatory taxes and our redomestication to Nebraska, as a result of our move, we were able to save $4.3 million in retaliatory taxes during 2014. Breaking the expense components out, the 2014 fourth quarter expense components include $6.4 million of salaries and benefits, $7.2 million of commissions, and $7.9 million of underwriting and other costs. Overall, during the fourth quarter, our expense ratio increased to 22.2% from 11.7%. For 2014, the expense ratio rose to 22.6%, compared to 20.3% in the prior year. In total, our combined ratio was 83.4% for the fourth quarter versus 80% for the same period in 2013, and 87.9% for 2014, compared with 90% in 2013. For 2014, cash flow from operations remained strong, rising to $140.4 million in 2014, compared to $128.9 million in 2013.

We reported a return on average equity for the fourth quarter of 2014 of 15.1%, compared to 17.1% for the fourth quarter of 2013. For the year, return on average equity rose 150 basis points to 12.4% from 10.9% in 2013. On the capital management front, during 2014, our board of directors remained diligent and proactive in managing the company's capital position, returning over $37 million in excess capital to shareholders through quarterly dividends and two extraordinary dividends. In total, on a per-share basis, this equated to $1.98. Despite these capital contributions, book value per share still grew 5.5% to $23.65 at December 31, 2014, from December 31, 2013. Our statutory surplus at year-end was $377.7 million.

Continuing with the diligence of managing our capital, on February 24, 2015, the board increased the regular quarterly dividend 25% to $0.15 per share from $0.12 per share, payable on March 27, 2015, to shareholders of record as of March 13, 2015. This concludes my prepared remarks on the financials. I will now turn the discussion back to Allen.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Thanks, Mike. Why don't we open the call for questions now?

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen on the phone, if you have a question at this time, you may press star and then the number one key on your touchtone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. Once again, to ask a question, that's star and then the number one. Our first question comes from the line of Matthew Carletti with JMP Securities. Your line is now open. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Thanks. Good morning.

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Morning, Matt.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Just had a couple questions. The first one, just on the growth, particularly new business. Is there any more detail you can go into? Is it kind of ratably across the quarter? Was it more back-end weighted, maybe suggesting some of your competitors might have premium targets to hit for the year? Any color you could give there would be great. Thanks.

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Sure. Matt, this is Janelle. Let me be clear, we were disappointed with the top-line growth in the quarter. Our intention is to grow the book of business. To your point about at what point was the timing, it's a great question. The quarter started off more robust than it ended. It tapered toward the end. As you know, we are focused on underwriting discipline. This is not an on/off switch. It's a very methodical process, and that didn't really start happening as far as the drop until later in the quarter. While we're disappointed with the new business, and that was a great question, I would like to point out that in the last few calls, I did speak about protecting our renewal business, and we were pleased that we were able to grow that this quarter.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Right

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Make progress on that front.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Absolutely. If you don't mind, if you can say, have you noticed any change in that new business, better, worse or otherwise, as we've come into 2015? What are you guys working on that might result in being a little more competitive? Is it just assessing a different line on rates, or are there other more maybe agent incentive type programs that could get more submissions put your way?

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Sure. Yes, we are addressing pricing in 2015, as well as we're trying to target those submissions that we feel like are better submissions for the company and incentivize our agents to do that as well, as well as our internal staff.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Okay, great. Enough on growth. I think everything else in the quarter was really nice, and I think maybe it's getting a little too much focus. Sorry to jump right there. My only other question is 2015 reinsurance treaty, I'm assuming it's been negotiated and done at this point. Can you tell us what change in structure it might have, and if there's any change to the economics of it, particularly ceding commission?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Matt, this is Alan. The 2015 reinsurance structure on the working layers, and now I'm talking about below $10 million.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Right.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Instead of a $3M x $2M and a $5M x $5M has moved to an $8M x $2M. The economics are the same as they were in 2014. Same reinsurers, which is Hannover Re.

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

Allianz

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Allianz.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Gotcha.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

With respect to the excess layer, the cat layer, which there's not a whole lot of cost associated with that.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Right

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

We had about a 13.5% reduction in the cost of that excess layer, which goes up to $60 million. The other thing, and this is related to the expense ratio, the economics that Mike outlined that drove the expense ratio up in terms of a lower ceding commission and a lower profit commission will remain the same in 2015 and 2016 as they were in 2014.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Got you. More apples to apples. Was the AAD the same on the $8M x $2M as it was the other two structures?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

It's the same as it was in the $3M x $2M combined with the $5M x $5M. Yes.

Matthew Carletti
Analyst, JMP Securities

Right. Exactly. Okay, great. Hey, congrats on a nice quarter and very nice year, and best of luck in 2015. Talk soon.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Great. Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with SunTrust. Your line is now open. Please proceed with your question.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Yeah. Thank you. Good morning.

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Good morning.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Allen, I missed the early part of the call. Did you provide the LCM on the quarter?

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Yes, it was 1.81.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Up one, up a point sequentially?

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Correct. We were at 1.80 in quarter three, and we were at 1.86 in the fourth quarter of 2013.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Right.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

It was down from last year, as was the third quarter, but it was actually up, which may also be, by the way, related to a tenth of a % drop in volumes.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Right. How are you feeling about how the first quarter is shaping up? You spoke some on the volume and your initiatives. Do you think that'll bounce back in Q1?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

It's probably a little early to tell. What do you think, Janelle?

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

I would agree. We are certainly focused on it, I can assure you that. As I said when Matt asked the question, our intention is to grow. This is not a point where we feel like we need to shrink the book of business. The marketplace is still attractive for us. We will make our assessment.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Yeah. If you could talk about the loss picks, what we might think about as we look at 2015, the 1.80 or 1.81 certainly implies a lower current accident year loss ratio than you have been booking recently. Would we be best to start out with kind of a steady loss pick for the current accident year? Is there some reason to think that might be a little bit lower? Again, given the very good pricing you've been sustaining for quite some time here, it seems like just doing the math would get you to a lower loss pick.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Right. I'm not going to give you a number, okay? I will give you direction. There's a couple of things that go into driving those loss selections that deal with how claims are working out in prior years, what we see in frequency and severity, and those sorts of things. We don't know how the first quarter is going to go, we don't know how it's going to be selected. We have seen some improvement in the metrics of the claims, I think, is a fair way to put it. That is that some of the problems we ran into in the recessionary years and the times after the recession, where it was very difficult to return people to work and where people tended to stay out longer and the duration was extending out.

It's not returned to normalcy, I don't think, for us or the industry, but it is clearly better. Also, the pricing of the 186 and of those businesses, a lot of that premium earns out in 2015. I would not expect the loss ratio for the accident year to stay flat. I would expect it to improve some. How much? That depends on what happens in the rest of the first quarter and what we're seeing.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

That's helpful. How about the new folks getting injured? Have you seen any of that with a little bit more job growth? Any uptick in frequency?

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

No, we haven't. At this point, we are surmising that it's more extended workweek, which we like. New workers are the ones that seem to get injured. Extended workweek means same workers, same education level as far as safety, therefore less injuries.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Yeah.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Another interesting aspect of that is in particular with one industry, and that's trucking. We're definitely seeing in the trucking industry that it has switched from a trucking company market to a driver market. New federal regulations, electronic logbooks, and the like have reduced the number of hours on the road. The truckers would still like to make the same amount of money, so that's pressure on wages. It also has resulted in trucking firms having to hire more drivers to make the same number of miles because of the restrictions on that. If you think of it from our perspective, Mark, and all of the industry, we're seeing what we believe will be less tired drivers making on rate online more money.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Right. Okay. From an operating expense standpoint, with the new reinsurance agreement, should we assume the ratio holds steady? Does the new reinsurance agreement with the commission structure, does it give you a movement one way or the other?

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

I think when you look at where we came in for the year, I think that's right in our wheelhouse in terms of our history, and I don't see that changing.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Right. Allen, again, I'm sorry if I missed it, but any quick thoughts on the competition, your view on competition in the market? I guess with the deceleration through the quarter, presumably the competition is up a little bit, and you were being more careful on your pricing, obviously. Where does that stand?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Okay. I would say there's a couple of interesting things in that, Mark. We're seeing fewer submissions for new business at the same time, we're seeing increased or very high levels of retention for our business. If you think about that a second, that's both sides of the same coin. We're keeping large percents of our business, and so are probably other carriers, so you get fewer submissions for new business in the door. I think that's one part. With respect to competition, for the most part, competition's been rational. There's always, and I repeat, always somebody out there doing something. There are people that think that, hey, we just reported, as I've said in my earnings release quote, and will say in my closing today, the industry's going to report an underwriting profit for the third time in 25 years.

There are those people that say, "Hey, we're going to grow this. We're going to leverage our combined ratio to grow the business more." It's always ironic to me, what got us here sometimes is the first time that people declare victory and say, "Okay, well, we now figured it out, and we'll just cut pricing." Pricing and competition is not irrational at all. We've been able to hold our effective LCM far higher than I would've thought possible at this point in time. We're quite pleased with the level of pricing.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Right. When pricing flattens out like this, the brokers or the insurers don't go looking elsewhere because they're happy with flat pricing?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

I think that if you look at our presentations that we do, or if you just go directly to the CIAB study, you will see that not many people, not many brokers are reporting significant rate decreases, if any. In fact, a large percentage of the accounts are still reporting flat pricing or slight increases. I think that's exactly right. There'll be some people come in, and we know over the years, when we report years and we report times where our combined ratios are very good. By the way, I think an 87.9 is very good. There will be competitors that will target AMERISAFE's business and offer a reduction, saying, well, if they're willing to write it at X, we'll write it at X minus 10% or 15%. That just happens. Generally, right now, because of investment yields, we don't see people being really aggressive.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Yeah. Then final question, do you think the industry combined ratio will improve again in 2015?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

No. No. The industry's never put together two underwriting years in the last quarter century. Two underwriting profit years in the last quarter century. By the way, you're really getting into my closing statement.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

All right. I'm starting to think like you.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

That's not a good thing, Mark.

Mark Hughes
Analyst, SunTrust

Yeah. Okay, thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question, you may press star and then the number one key on your touch tone telephone. Again, that's star and then one to ask a question. Our next question comes from the line of Randy Binner with FBR Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please proceed with your question.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Hey, good morning. Thanks.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Good morning, Randy.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Morning. All the top-line commentary is helpful. I guess suffice to say, you're an underwriting discipline organization, and it's tough to produce the business. There's an over-capitalization that's built within the company. I think it's fair to say riding underneath one times premiums of surplus, and there's been a couple special dividends in the last year to address that. I'm just curious, is that still kind of an ad hoc process that you use to approach the idea of capital return? Is that process kind of developing as the market continues to be challenging to place business? In that too, is there M&A opportunities, or have those books not as become as available as you thought they might, given the stress some others have had? Just wondering how we kind of let more of this capital go.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

I think it's a good question, touch on a couple of different points in there. With regard to M&A, we look at the opportunities as we're presented and evaluate those as they come. The other part about continuing to evaluate our capital position, I think it's a process of the underwriting, how much business we're putting on organically, and what do we really need from a capital position. I think what we said last quarter was, look, here's this extraordinary dividend. Going forward, we likely will be looking at this basically once a year, and I think that's the position the board has taken from the standpoint that let's see how the year goes along and then reevaluate later this year.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Would that be a third quarter or a fourth quarter event if it's evaluated later in the year?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

I think later this year, yes. I think it's a third, fourth quarter type of timeframe.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Okay. Great. On the expense accrual, I just want to make sure I understand that right. You had two large claims that came in December, you put those claims up, and they pushed through the reinsurance layer. The impact to the expense ratio related to those pushing through the reinsurance layer? Do I have that right?

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

Yes. Essentially, we go through the year, and we're accruing for our contingent profit commission, as long as the claim activity remains below our AAD. We received the two claims, which literally were in the last two weeks of December.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Right

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

that penetrated that AAD layer, and at that point, we had to reverse the accruals that we had put up in the earlier quarters.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

What's the nature of these two claims?

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

I'm sorry?

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

What's the nature? Are they particularly severe? Are they million-dollar-plus claim reserves or

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Well, yeah. The layer

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Yeah, we keep it over $2 million.

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Retention's $2 million. They were in excess of $2 million.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Oh, right.

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

I thought they were three.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Yeah. Let me put a little more clarity around it just so you can understand the process, Randy. Mike's right when he says that they exceeded the AAD. They exceeded the AAD after we applied IBNR.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Okay.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

The cases are, I don't want to say significantly below the IBNR-

the AAD. In an effort to make sure our reserves are prudent, we placed a significant amount of IBNR on those, and I think the impact on that particular accrual was $2.8 million.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Between the two claims?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

No, taking down the profit commission.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Okay. That was a cumulative effect of the two claims, was the $2.8 million?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Uh-

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Not $2.8 each?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

No, no.

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

No, no.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Yeah, okay. Sorry. I was just making clear. Okay, I got you. These are just, I hate to say, but these are just typical high-severity claims that you end up with.

G. Janelle Frost
President and COO, AMERISAFE

Exactly.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Exactly.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Okay.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

I think one was a head injury, and I can't remember what the other one was.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Okay, understood. The last one I had was on net investment income. It was a good result versus our model in the fourth quarter. In fact, it was the best quarter, I think, of the year. Was there anything unusual in there with bond prepayments or other one-timers?

Michael Raschke
CFO, AMERISAFE

Not really. I think the combination of the growth in the portfolio overall, as well as better results from our investment in the hedge fund that we have, I think those two components led to it. In the quarter, we actually had, I think, 91 basis points over Treasuries in terms of our investments. We took our duration out a little bit longer at 3.7, but we're still sitting around 2.9. That's kind of where we are, continuing to find corporates and munis.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Okay, great. Actually, I just want to go, Carletti was asking about the particulars on you renegotiating your reinsurance deal. Your retention, I apologize if I missed this. Is your retention on the new reinsurance program still $2 million, you just changed the next layers?

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Yes. That's correct, Randy. We use a structured product that's a 3-year deal.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Yeah.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

We had a stub period on the $5M x $5M layer. We have one year that the $5M x $5M was separate from the lower layer, then the last two years are $8M x $2M. The economics are the same, the rates are the same, for all intents and purposes on that.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thanks so much.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

Okay. Thank you, Randy.

Operator

Thank you. With no further questions in the queue, I'd like to turn the call back over to Allen Bradley for closing remarks.

C. Allen Bradley
Chairman and CEO, AMERISAFE

All right. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We appreciate your participation in today's earnings call. I have some final remarks. The financial impact of disciplined underwriting over the last several years will be demonstrated as soon as the workers' compensation market will reportedly report an underwriting profit for only the third time in 25 years. One caveat, however. The industry has a poor history in terms of managing its success. In the past 25 years, the workers' comp industry has reported only three years of underwriting profits, and those profits were reported in 1995, 2006, and supposedly in 2014. Both 1995 and 2006 were preceded and followed by periods of extraordinarily high underwriting losses. According to the National Council on Compensation Insurance, in 2010 and 2011, private workers' compensation carriers reported 115% combined ratio in each year. I guess the question is, will this time be different?

Well, we don't really know. What we do know is that what is different this time is that investment returns remain at exceptionally low levels, making it difficult to offset any significant underwriting losses with investment income. For that reason, we believe that the reality of lower investment yields will result in a more measured pricing decline than in prior cycles. It remains to be seen whether our belief is sound. In the meantime, there's one thing you can count on. That is that AMERISAFE is exceptionally well prepared to grow when appropriate, shrink when necessary, and at all times, manage our capital in a fashion consistent with our shareholders' best interest. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program, and you may now disconnect. Have a good day, everyone.