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Earnings Call: Q3 2017

Oct 30, 2017

Speaker 1

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Armstrong World Industries Third Quarter twenty seventeen Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the floor over to Tom Waters with Investor Relations at Armstrong.

Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Karen. Good morning, and welcome, everyone. Please note that members of the media have been invited to listen to this call, and the call is being broadcast live on our website at armstrongceilings.com. With me today are Vic Grizzle, our CEO and Brian McNeal, our CFO. Hopefully, you have seen our press release this morning, and both the release and the presentation Brian McNeal will reference during this call are posted on our website in the Investor Relations section.

I advise you that during this call, we will be making forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual outcomes may differ materially from those expected or implied. For a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that may affect Armstrong World Industries, please review our SEC filings, including the 10 Q filed earlier this morning. Forward looking statements speak only as of the date they are made. We undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statements beyond what is required by applicable securities law.

In addition, our discussion of operating performance will include non GAAP financial measures within the meaning of SEC Regulation G. A reconciliation of these measures with the most directly comparable GAAP measures is included in the press release and in the appendix of the presentation. Both are available on our website. With that, I will turn the call over to Vic.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Tom, and good morning, everyone. It's good to be with you today to discuss our third quarter and to summarize our year to date results. On a global basis, we had a solid quarter with constant currency sales up 4%. We had positive contributions from all sales levers, volume, price and mix. Volumes were particularly strong in The Pacific REM, in Russia and in our Global Architectural Specialties business.

Our like for like pricing gains, which we continue to earn with our industry leading customer service and quality, again outpaced raw material and energy costs in the current inflationary environment. Positive mix continued as growth in our high end Mineral Fiber products remains well above market growth rates. And the adoption rate of our newest, most innovative products Total Acoustics and Sustain is frankly unprecedented and reflects our strong connection to customer needs and to where the market is going. And adjusted EBITDA in the quarter of $107,000,000 was an all time record for the ceilings business. So overall, a solid quarter.

Globally, year to date sales were up 7% with all regions contributing to the growth. Volume and average unit value or AUVs we refer to it are both positive year to date. In fact, both components of AUV, like for like pricing and mix were positive in the quarter. In the quarter, we also continued to gain momentum with our growth initiatives. First, our average unit value expanded as market trends toward higher end products, coupled with our ability to win specifications, resulted in mid single digit growth in our high end Mineral Fiber products.

Secondly, we continue to gain share in the Architectural Specialties sector. This product group had another excellent quarter with sales up 20% globally, including the benefit of Tecnam acquisition. Excluding Tecnam's contribution, organic Architectural Specialty sales grew double digits in both The Americas and Asia. And thirdly, the M and A pipeline continues to develop nicely. The Technum integration, our acquisition from earlier in the year, continues to go very well.

I'm pleased with the sales and EBITDA growth that this business is delivering. Technum's year to date sales are up 12% demonstrating the value of being part of the Armstrong system. This is the type of revenue synergy we expect to be able to achieve with bolt on acquisitions. In the Americas segment, sales were up 3% on a constant currency basis. Architectural Specialties grew double digits against a strong third quarter in 2016.

And the AUV in our Mineral Fiber products expanded mid single digits, which includes positive like for like pricing from our July price increase. The price increase is yielding as expected price realization and has gained momentum throughout the quarter and has continued into October. We expect this to be the case for the remainder of the year. Sales of our high end Mineral Fiber products are growing and continue to outpace the overall market as customers are demanding more features and benefits in their ceilings. Architects and designers are increasingly seeking to create better and healthier interior spaces in the buildings they design.

Armstrong's high performance ceiling system portfolio, including our recently launched Total Acoustics and Sustain families are uniquely positioned to capitalize on these trends. Total Acoustics provides the ideal combination of superior sound absorption and noise blocking. Sustain products do not contain any red list chemicals and utilizes sustainable materials to meet today's most stringent industry standards. Armstrong is leading the way in the sealing space with these new products and differentiating ourselves in the eyes of leading architects and designers. Now, volumes in the commodity portion of our Mineral Fiber portfolio declined in the quarter, primarily driven by education repair and remodel activity, continued uncertainty in the healthcare sector and the impact of the hurricanes.

The softness in education was broad based as state and local spending for schools was down in the quarter. This market driven softness will become less important in the fourth quarter as students are back in their classrooms. While difficult to quantify, the hurricanes also clearly had a disruptive impact on sales. We have plants in Macon, Georgia and Pensacola, Florida. And while I'm pleased to report that all our employees are safe and that the facilities sustained only minor damage, we did lose a few production and shipping days.

Additionally, our distributors in the impacted regions were shut down for multiple days. Now before turning to our international segments, let me just take a step back for a moment and elaborate on this. There was a lot of disruption in The Americas environment in the third quarter, primarily due to the hurricane and some unevenness in the R and R activity. While the third quarter had slower sales growth in the first half of the year, if we look at the third quarter plus October versus the same four months of 2016, the year over year sales pattern returns to our expected run rate for the full year. The storms clearly shifted demand out of September and we're seeing a portion of that bounce back in October.

October sales are up double digits with nice gains in both volume and AUV. Underlying market conditions continue to have the same bright spots as earlier in the year, including strength in new construction across virtually all end markets. And the repair and remodel activity in office continues to improve. There's a lot of activity out there. The contractors I'm talking to are busy and have expressed confidence in their backlogs and are optimistic as they see it continuing.

So based on strong October sales, a strong order backlog and our unchanged view of the market, we are reaffirming our previously increased full year sales guidance. Now turning now to our international operations. Sales were up 18% in The Pacific Rim with China up over 40% after a slow start to the year. Architectural Specialty sales in The Pacific Rim were up over 20%. In Europe, sales were down 1% with the market driven decline in The UK only partially offset by continued year over year strength in Russia.

Our localization efforts in Russia continue to allow us to gain share and grow in a flat market. Our team in Russia continues to perform very well. Overall, year to date sales outside The Americas are up high single digits. Now as I mentioned earlier, global adjusted EBITDA of $107,000,000 is a record and was up 12% from the prior year. Our average unit value gains were the biggest driver of the improvement.

Our industry leading customer service and quality allow us to continue to earn gains above inflation and positive mix trends continued as growth in our high end products remains above market growth rates. Now excluding some of the one time items that Brian will discuss in a moment, it's still a record quarter and our adjusted EBITDA margins expanded 80 basis points from last year and year to date are up 50 basis points. The team continues to execute on price, mix and productivity initiatives to contribute to the margin expansion. This solid bottom line performance drives strong cash flow and allows the flexibility to invest in the business organically, pursue acquisitions and return cash to shareholders. As you saw in our press release, our Board has authorized an additional $250,000,000 on top of our existing share repurchase program.

This is a strong vote of confidence in our strategic plan and the value creation opportunities we have right in front of us. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian to discuss more details around our financial performance. Brian?

Speaker 4

Thanks, Vic. Good morning to everyone on the call. Today, I'll be reviewing our third quarter and year to date September results. But before we go into the financials as a friendly reminder, I'll be referring to the slides available on our website. Slide three details our basis of presentation used throughout this discussion.

The primary differences to our reported results are expenses related to the separation in the prior year and the adjustments made for our U. S. Pension plan. Turning to Slide four for our third quarter results. Consolidated constant currency sales of $346,000,000 grew 4%.

Adjusted operating income increased 9%, while adjusted EBITDA increased 12%, expanding margins by two thirty basis points. Adjusted diluted earnings per share were up 14% due to higher earnings. Adjusted free cash flow improved by 12% over the prior year quarter due primarily to higher cash earnings and less CapEx. Net debt increased by $10,000,000 due to a slightly lower cash position from our share repurchase activity. Turning now to Slide five, adjusted EBITDA increased 12% driven by solid AUV fall through to profit, higher volumes and lower SG and A expenses.

AUV improvements in The Americas drove this result. Both positive mix and positive like for like pricing led to the strong AUV fall through as we continue to sell a richer mix of products and benefit from prior pricing actions. Globally, volume improved, driven by our international markets, particularly in China, as the office market continues to recover. In total, emerging market sales grew 16% over the prior year quarter. WAVE equity earnings are lower this quarter as both parents executed a revised support cost arrangement.

This periodic process updates support costs for services provided by the parent companies. These revised costs positively impacted our adjusted EBITDA by approximately net $3,000,000 in the quarter, including a year to date true up and will continue into the future. Full details can be found in the appendix on Slide 15. Lastly, the increase in D and A is related to an accelerated depreciation charge from our previously idled Qingpu plant, which we are now classifying as closed. Slide six shows our change in adjusted free cash flow compared to the prior year quarter, which grew 12%, driven mainly by higher cash earnings and less CapEx.

Sales growth in all of our reportable segments led to favorability in cash earnings. Wave dividends were down due to the previously mentioned support cost adjustment and higher steel costs. Turning now to our segments. On Slide seven, the Americas grew constant currency sales by 3%, AUV accelerated year over year, up 100 basis points and grew mid single digits versus the prior year. Another quarter with a solid AUV fall through rate demonstrates our focus on selling higher value, higher margin mineral fiber products and our ability to realize positive like for like pricing from our prior pricing actions.

Clearly, our business objective of growing margins remains vital to our organization. As Nick mentioned, we continue to gain traction with our growth initiatives as architectural specialties were up double digits and high end mineral fiber products continue to grow. I'm pleased with our ability to generate a meaningful return from these initiatives. However, overall volumes declined like Vic mentioned, driven by lower end commodity products used primarily in the education sector along with lower demand impacted by the hurricanes. Adjusted EBITDA increased by 13% as we expanded margins by three forty basis points.

Over the past several years, we have disclosed ongoing litigation and remediation expenses related to legacy environmental issues with our Americas plant footprint. I'm pleased that in the third quarter, we entered into our first significant insurance settlement to recover a portion of those legacy expenses. Net of legal expenses for the project and other consulting fees, that settlement provided about $3,000,000 of net benefit in the quarter. SG and A costs decreased in the quarter, mainly driven by the previously mentioned support cost revisions with WAVE. I'm pleased that we continue to accelerate our AUV achievement year over year with contributions from the ongoing mix up trend and positive like for like pricing as we once again covered inflation through our pricing discipline.

Higher steel costs and the margin impact of lower volumes for WAVE were headwinds. Importantly, after excluding the insurance settlements, legal costs, consulting fees and waive support costs revisions, we expanded adjusted EBITDA margins by 160 basis points. Moving to our EMEA segment on Slide eight, quarterly constant currency sales decreased 1% driven by softer market conditions in The UK. Adjusted EBITDA was flat while margins expanded 40 basis points driven by higher volumes and positive like for like pricing, which were partially offset by higher strength across the region, but predominantly in China. I'm encouraged to see the strength in China continue as the office and education sector accelerate.

Adjusted EBITDA was essentially flat, driven by strong volume in China, which was offset by lower AUV and higher steel costs for WAVE. The D and A change is related to the Qingpu plant closure that I mentioned earlier. Turning now to our year to date 2017 results on Slide 10, constant currency sales improved 7% driven by sales growth at every segment. Adjusted operating income increased 12% and margins expanded by 110 basis points. Adjusted EBITDA grew double digits up 11%, while margins expanded by 110 basis points driven by higher volumes globally and AUV achievement particularly in The Americas.

Adjusted diluted earnings per share improved by 18% and adjusted free cash flow grew 31% versus the prior year, both driven by higher earnings. On Slide 11, you'll see the drivers of our consolidated adjusted EBITDA performance for the first nine months of twenty seventeen. The margin impact of higher volumes globally and AUV achievement, primarily from The Americas, offset higher input costs and lower WAVE equity earnings. WAVE was partially impacted by the support cost revisions mentioned earlier. Details can be found in the appendix on Slide 15.

Slide 12 details our year to date change in adjusted free cash flow, which improved by over 30% against the prior year, primarily driven by higher sales. Slide 13 outlines our revised 2017 guidance. We are increasing our adjusted EBITDA and adjusted diluted earnings per share guidance directly related to the October environmental insurance settlement disclosed as a subsequent event in our 10 Q filing today for $20,000,000 before expenses. We now expect our adjusted EBITDA to grow 15% to 18% and range from $365,000,000 to $375,000,000 with the increase based only on the impact of the settlement net of additional legal expenses for the project. We are reiterating our constant currency sales guidance along with our adjusted free cash flow guidance as we expect to receive a majority of the cash related to the October environmental insurance settlements early next year.

For clarity on our 2017 guidance, at the beginning of the year, we underwent a probability weighted analysis on the year. We estimated that we would realize $6,000,000 in settlements the second half of the year. We are on schedule for that objective as we benefited from $3,000,000 as I described earlier. We are raising our guidance due to the settlement reached in October and disclosed as a subsequent event in our 10 Q as we did not anticipate this magnitude of recovery in 2017. Regarding the wave support cost revisions, we underwent a similar analysis as we did expect to execute this periodic review for cost of services provided by the parents this year.

However, the timing of this impacted Q3 more meaningfully as it was a year to date true up. As we move forward, this will be a more even distribution across the quarters. I also want to update everyone on our U. S. Pension plan.

We derisked our program by offering lump sum settlements to select participants. The success of this program ultimately triggered settlement accounting and acceleration of expense for over $20,000,000 in the quarter. Importantly, this accounting treatment does not impact our free cash flow as the settlement will be paid by the plan and will not and we will not make any cash contributions this year and for the foreseeable future as our current funded status is over 100%. As a reminder, this impact is excluded from all of our adjusted numbers, but was the main driver of the decrease in as reported operating income over the prior year quarter. Lastly, regarding our liquidity, we remain within our target net leverage range of two to three times adjusted EBITDA.

To close, I'm pleased with our team's performance to drive EBITDA growth. Although sales performance came in lower than expected, I'm confident that we will execute Q4 reaching our targeted full year guidance ranges as we continue to look for ways to maximize shareholder value. With that, I'll turn it back to Vic.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Brian. Further to Brian's comments on our insurance settlement, I want to add that while this is still an ongoing matter, the progress to date and these initial settlements are a reflection of our management's team's focus on taking actions to deliver shareholder value from all available assets and sources. With this multi year effort, we're not only proactively mitigating future risk, but also seeking to recover previously incurred costs and expenses that will meaningfully impact our bottom line. Our legal team has done a fantastic job of executing this initiative. Now in closing, we delivered a solid quarter in spite of the disruption in the Americas segment.

I continue to be impressed with the adoption rate of some of our new product platforms like Total Acoustics and Sustain, and how our market leading innovation efforts and our architectural specialty capabilities are differentiating us in the overall market. And I'm pleased with how our teams are responding with sufficient price realization to more than cover higher input costs in an inflationary period. To sum up, this is another quarter where I hope you can see that Armstrong is no longer just a Mineral Fiber suspended ceiling company, that Armstrong has moved into the expanded market of total ceilings and is becoming a complete ceiling solutions company. We are selling into more spaces than ever before with our broad portfolio, including architectural specialties and tectum like products. And we are selling more into every space with our component products from our wave joint venture.

This is a strategy to grow beyond the core mineral fiber category. We continue to build out our M and A pipeline to accelerate our penetration into these adjacencies. All in all, we couldn't be more excited about our future as you can clearly see from the authorization of an additional $250,000,000 stock buyback program. So thank you for being with us today. And with that, we're happy to take your questions.

Speaker 1

Thank

Speaker 4

you.

Speaker 1

And our first question for today comes from the line of Mike Wood from Nomura Instinet.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I guess I'll just focus on the sales guidance. It's a pretty wide range with two months left in the year. So I was hoping you can give some color in terms of what the biggest difference is between the low end and the high end with that looks like a 5% upside downside to the midpoint of the fourth quarter guidance.

Speaker 4

Hi, Mike. This is Brian. So, yes, the range is a little wide. I'd say that it's continued to be driven by volume expectations and especially in our international markets as they close out the year.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jason Marcus with JPMorgan.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning. So first question on the Americas volumes. I know you called out the hurricane is negatively impacting volumes in the quarter as well as softer education. But as you look outside of the hurricane regions, just wanted to see if you could give us some more color on the underlying growth rates in Mineral Fiber that you saw during the quarter? And then just a quick follow-up.

With the plant closure in China, are there any charges that you would expect beyond what you had this quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes. Jason, let me take the volume question. The education in particular, the repair and remodel activity in education was broad based. And so that was much broader than the hurricane regions. I think we saw a shift, as I mentioned, from September to sometime into the fourth quarter.

We're certainly seeing some of that bounce back in October, which is good to see. But the education repair and remodel activity was broad based. Let me give a little bit of additional color around that. There was 23 states that had made mid year budget reductions this year on for educational spending. And this is the highest budget reductions we've seen since 2010.

So it was a meaningful and broad based reduction for money spent on R and R activity in education. So that was a big driver and that was really the bigger than the impact hurricane for us in the third quarter.

Speaker 4

And then Jason on the Chingpu question, we don't expect or anticipate any additional charges or changes there.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI.

Speaker 7

Hi. This is actually Chris Shook on for Steve. Good morning. My first question is on the Wave business. So you commented that JV income dropped due to higher store costs and higher support costs.

Can you just add more color on really what drove those support costs and whether we should expect this elevated level to continue into 2018?

Speaker 4

Sure, Chris. This is Brian. As you look at Slide five, we showed equity earnings globally were down $5,000,000 4 million dollars of that was specifically related to the cost change. So still some headwinds between the price realization and steel input costs. We did have a year to date catch up, so it's worth roughly $2,000,000 2 point 5 million dollars in quarter and we'll expect a little tailwind in Q4 for that change in cost support.

Speaker 6

All right. Thanks very much.

Speaker 3

Chris, I'll add to that if I can. That the input costs, which are really steel, have been going up. And I'm really pleased with how the teams executed on price. We realized price in the quarter, positive price, like for like pricing in that grid business and really closed the gap on the steel cost increases that we've been seeing there. So I'm really pleased with the execution there aside from the true up and the cost that Brian outlined.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks for your question.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes with SunTrust.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Going back to Slide seven on The Americas, the 160 basis points of margin expansion you discussed at the bottom. Which item specifically does that exclude to get to that number?

Speaker 4

Hey, Keith, it's Brian. So that excludes the environmental insurance settlement net of legal and other consulting fees. So roughly $3,000,000 in the quarter.

Speaker 8

So the fees were that would have been $4,000,000 is that right?

Speaker 4

Yes. We basically said the settlement was $6,500,000 and so you're looking at roughly $3,500,000 in kind of other legal and consulting fees that hit the quarter.

Speaker 8

Okay. And those just show up in SG and A, is that right? The fees you're excluding?

Speaker 4

Yes. So the insurance settlements end up following the traditional percentage of where the expense hits. So roughly 70% in the cost of goods and 30% in SG and A. The other legal and consulting fees hit SG and A directly. And then you can see in the footnote there, we've got the net benefit of year to date wave support cost change true up.

So that's the math to get to the margins expanded 160 basis points.

Speaker 8

Okay. So you've taken out, is it

Speaker 2

the $5,000,000 benefit?

Speaker 4

No. On WAVE, it's really $2,000,000 is the impact of the year to date catch up. When you look at Slide 15, we had three in the quarter and two of that was catch up.

Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you. Great question.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Good morning. This is Stephen Ramsey on for Catherine. Just some clarity on volumes for the quarter. How much did Tectum contribute? And then what was the North America core ceiling tile volume growth?

Yes, Stephen, this is Brian. So consistent with prior quarters and really for the year, in The Americas, Tekton is going to add about three points. We don't talk or quote specifically core mineral fiber volumes as we break it down. So for Tekton, that inorganic piece is worth three points. Excellent.

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bob Wettenholm with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker 9

Good morning. This is actually Marshall on for Bob today. In the Pacific Rim, obviously big improvement in revenues. Would you talk about the trade off between price and volume there and what's contributing to that differential between the two items?

Speaker 3

Yes. Let me comment really because the China was the big driver of the double digit growth across the region. I mentioned in my talking points that China was up over 40%. Really, there's a dynamic going on there that isn't driving actually a pricevolume trade off. There's a lack of supply in the market based on some local players not being able to supply.

They have their own environmental issues and it's limiting supply from those traditional suppliers. So we're picking up share in the market without giving up price. In fact, we're working hard to raise price in that market. So not the traditional price volume trade off that you would expect there. Nice volume growth though.

Speaker 9

And then on the sourcing in that region, I know in the past you've highlighted some of the sourcing moving to The Americas and Europe and potentially the earnings attributing to those regions too. Is there any way to break out the impact of that or is that material enough to move the needle?

Speaker 4

Yes, Marshall, in the past, we've profiled in our guidance that roughly $11,000,000 of EBITDA is going to come out of Asia and the Pac Rim. 5 of that is going to benefit The Americas and six of it in Europe. That's an annual number.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from the line of John Lovallo with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey guys, it's actually Pete Galbo on for John. Thanks for taking the question. Brian, just hoping to get a little bit of clarity on the go forward on environmental insurance settlements. So I think in the press release you had outlined $20,000,000 benefit for the fourth quarter, but then in the slides the $15,000,000 net benefit. I just want to make sure I'm understanding that right.

And then any color on whether or not those carry it all into 2018?

Speaker 4

Yes. Pete, it's a great question. So regarding the $20,000,000 you got the math right. Net of some of the additional legal and other third party expenses, it will net down to $15,000,000 As we think about it, we've got a $3,000,000 net benefit in Q3. We would anticipate another $3,000,000 in Q4 and then taking the full year up $15,000,000 less those expenses.

Obviously, we're in litigation right now with a number of other carriers and We're approaching, I'd say, our full P and L benefit. The way that works is we look back since the last few years, look at all the expenses we have taken through the P and L, both in cost of goods and SG and A related to these sites and the legal fees associated with it. And we get to recover through the P and L up to that amount. And then any settlements above that will show up in the balance sheet to pay and fund future remediation and legal expenses.

Speaker 5

Sorry, Brian, just to clarify, did you say that there is a 3,000,000 benefit also carrying into Q4, so really we should think about that as like an $18,000,000 net or did I mishear you?

Speaker 4

No, it's not an 18 net. So it's three, which we had already anticipated in our guidance. And then the 15 is incremental. So if you do the math, you'll back into about $2,000,000 of net expenses. Okay.

Thanks guys.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from the line of Ken Zener with KeyBanc.

Speaker 10

Good morning gentlemen.

Speaker 3

Hey Ken. Good morning.

Speaker 10

Sticking with The Americas, you talked to Tecnam and the tailwind that's provided. Last quarter I asked about this and I just want to get clarification again. The strong pricing that we're seeing, was that in the third quarter also like for like pricing across all your categories like you highlighted in 2Q? Or did you see better pricing in the high end, less so at that lower commoditized end?

Speaker 3

No, very similar to what we reported, Ken, in 2Q, balanced price across the portfolio, and really across the portfolio. So we're getting price everywhere in the portfolio to be very clear about that. And it's balanced between like for like pricing and of course the mix effect by selling more at the high end of the product portfolio, which is our margin expansion initiative. So, yes, I appreciate the question, but we're getting I'm really pleased with how our team is executing the price in the field.

Speaker 10

Right. That's very good. And I wonder, Vic, I know we've talked about this in the past, but so education and state spending, you just call that education here, but those probably out of the five categories you service, those are two of the cyclically weaker ones if you think about some sort of baseline. Have you could you put this state budget revision in context for us please as it relates to how you guys have looked at it in the past, what it might mean? Because I certainly think viability is pension are one of the elements constraining states this cycle versus prior ones.

But if you could just flush that out a little bit, so we know if there's perhaps a snapback expected next year? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes, Ken, that's a tough one because each state has its own different set of challenges and for a variety of reasons. A lot of this R and R activity in education is quite discretionary. And so if the state is facing a specific issue in any of its finger on, which is really why it's hard to forecast, I think, to really understand because these types of budget reductions are happened real time in the quarter. So it's really hard to I'm sorry, I'm not going to give you a good answer on this one because it's really hard to put our finger on it. What I will tell you about this demand though, it's not foregone demand.

The renovation and repair needs are still there and will be there again next year. And so I don't think this is lost demand, but this is really going to be falling into the bucket of pent up demand. They will eventually have to repair and renovate these damaged or outdated ceilings. What I encourage you by in the Education segment, just to add a little bit to that is on the new construction side. As I stated in the last November election, there was numerous bonds that were approved for renewed education spending.

And the activity that we're seeing in Education is very encouraging around the new construction and the major renovation projects. So I think there's more to come here and I think that there's nothing structurally different about this education segment. I think the discretionary nature of it is showing up in this third quarter as state and local budgets continue to be stressed.

Speaker 10

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Kent.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Scott Rednore with Zelman and Associates. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning. Hi, Scott.

Speaker 11

Brian, I was hoping to better understand what exactly the wave adjustment relates to. And the reason I asked that is, we obviously see what Worthington reports with a one month delta, but it's the largest gap between what they reported and what you guys reported and what looks like about ten years. So can you maybe just explain what exactly it is?

Speaker 4

Sure. So both parents provide support services to the joint venture. And we've been working on this for quite some time now and finally came to agreement between Worthington and ourselves and the JV on changes to those support costs. So both Worthington and AWI have changed their support costs. And it's stuff like, for example, selling.

We've been making an investment in our selling organization here over the last few years. And in many cases, we haven't passed along all those expenses. So these support costs are for those types of things.

Speaker 11

So will change their cash will come down in terms of the dividend comparable to the expense you're now allocating to the JV? Is that a fair way to look at it?

Speaker 4

Yes. What I would say is, we as parents will have lower cash out because we're getting reimbursements for that SG and A. And then, yes, the JV itself will have a slightly lower dividend back to us. That's why when you look at Page 15, just to drive it just a little bit further home, you see the net benefit for us in EBITDA is three, but our WAVE equity earnings are down four because that reflects the additional cost that Worthington has also passed along.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you. Very helpful. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Thanks, Scott.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from the line of Garik Shmois with Longbow Research.

Speaker 12

Hi. This is Jeff Stevenson in for Garik. My question is at a high level, how should we be thinking about incremental margins moving forward and margin expansion headed into 2018? Are there any risks we should be considering?

Speaker 3

Let me just start. And Brian, you can add some color to that. The initiative that we've got going on driving margin expansion, which is driving innovation into the marketplace with higher value products, which there's actually a pull that the market wants to mix up to. We're leading the way with that. Those products are not only higher price points, but they're higher margin products for us as well.

So the more that we continue to mix up is going to continue to drive that. I don't see that ending in the near future at all. In fact, there's many years of this to go as we replace the old technology that's installed, especially here in The U. S. The other is that we're committed to driving price over inflation.

We have a nine year history of delivering price realization to cover our inflationary costs. We're going to do that again this year. And I expect that we'll continue to do that as a discipline that we have. So we're going to continue to drive those two things. And then on the back end of the business with productivity, our plants are committed to the lean methodology.

We're seven years into our lean journey and we're continuing to make good progress. I don't think we're finished there. We've made some additional investments also in our manufacturing that's going to structurally help our productivity going forward. So I think we have three strong initiatives that are going to continue to contribute to margin expansion going forward.

Speaker 4

And one last one I'd add to that is really the focus on G and A more so. We've been making investments in selling and being driving productivity in the G and A spend. And so to your question, I'd say no, we fully expect to continue to drive EBITDA margin expansion. As you know, when you look at The Americas, we're right around 36%, globally 26. And so we continue to be focused on driving that margin expansion in Americas.

And then as we've outlined before, one of our strategic initiatives is around improving the profitability in our international businesses, which have seen some nice pickups in margin expansion in the last eighteen months.

Speaker 12

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks, Jeff.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And that concludes our question and answer session for today. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Armstrong for any closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, for being with us today. We appreciate the questions on some of the unusual items or one time items in the quarter. But once you peel those back, we really had a solid quarter.

We executed very well on pricing, which is really important in this environment. We continue to sell more products at the high end, driving the mix. Our team is executing internally in our plant. So feel very good about the performance in the quarter. And really, we're well positioned to finish the year strong as we reinforcing our guidance.

We are feeling very good about where we are. And again, with the position that we've created in third quarter with our pricing initiatives, we feel good about finishing the year very, very strong. And the traction that we're getting in our growth initiatives is frankly exciting. And as I mentioned earlier, we're excited about where we are as a company. And we look forward to updating you further in February when we get back together.

So thank you everybody and have a nice day.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.

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