Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Armstrong World Industries Incorporated Q3 twenty fifteen Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will host a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr.
Tom Waters, Vice President, Treasury and Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.
Thanks, Tricia. Good morning and welcome. Please note that members of the media have been invited to listen to this call and the call is being broadcast live on our website at armstrong.com. With me today are Matt Espie, our President and CEO Dave Schultz, our CFO Don Meyer, CEO of our Worldwide Floor businesses and Vic Grizzle, CEO of our Worldwide Ceilings business. Hopefully, you have seen our press release this morning and both the release and the presentation Dave Schultz will reference during this call are posted on our website in the Investor Relations section.
I advise you that during this call, we will be making forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual outcomes may differ materially from those expected or implied. For a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that may affect Armstrong, please review our SEC filings, including the 10 Q filed this morning. Forward looking statements speak only as of the date they are made, and we undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statement beyond what is required by applicable securities law. In addition, our discussion of operating performance will include non GAAP financial measures within the meaning of SEC Regulation G.
A reconciliation of these measures with the most directly comparable GAAP measures is included in the press release and in the appendix of the presentation. Both are available on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Matt.
Thanks, Tom. Good morning, everyone. On our call today, I'll provide an overview of our quarterly and year to date results and update our guidance. I'll also discuss our initial Form 10 filing for the flooring business, And then Dave will give you a detailed discussion of our results and help bridge the financial information on the Form 10 to our historical segment results. For the third quarter, reported sales of $659,000,000 are down $20,000,000 or 3% from the prior year.
The decline is entirely due to foreign exchange movements. On a comparable dollar basis, sales are actually up just over 1%. On this basis, all geographies grew sales. Adjusted EBITDA of $128,000,000 is up $6,000,000 from the prior year. I've noted in the quarter, our North American ceilings business delivered record bottom line results with EBITDA of over $100,000,000 for the first time ever.
Price over inflation, productivity and mix improvements continue to drive the bottom line in The Americas. This is the second consecutive record third quarter earnings results for the Americas Ceilings team who continue to raise the bar. Year to date reported sales of $1,843,000,000 dollars or down $85,000,000 or 4% from the first nine months of twenty fourteen. Again, foreign exchange had a significant impact. On a comparable foreign exchange basis, sales are down less than 1% year to date.
The sales decline is attributable to the Wood segment and Ceilings in Europe. All other segments and geographies have higher year to date sales on a comparable exchange basis. Adjusted EBITDA for the first nine months of 2015 of $315,000,000 is up $6,000,000 versus last year, driven by the improved profitability of the third quarter. Sales for the quarter were slightly below our expectations due to engineered wood product availability here in North America and softness in the China office sector impacting our ceilings business. We anticipate these trends will continue into the fourth quarter.
Overall, North American ceiling sales were more or less where we expected. Volume was up in The U. S, but Canadian volume was down leading to a less than 1% decline versus last year. This represents a sequential improvement from the first half. Elsewhere, sales of ceilings in India, VCT in The Americas and Architectural Specialties globally continue to be spots.
EBITDA performance in the quarter was better than we expected due to realized and anticipated lumber cost declines. Dave will get into this in more detail as he discusses the wood results. Based on third quarter results and our outlook for the fourth quarter, we're trimming the top end of our sales guidance range by $50,000,000 but we're raising the midpoint of our earnings guidance by $10,000,000 Now with regards to the separation process, we passed a significant milestone in the quarter when we filed our initial draft of the Armstrong Flooring, Inc. Form 10 on October 8. This filing intentionally contains several sections that are incomplete at this time, things like the effect of data separation, capital structure, dividend policy, full listing of management and boards of directors and others.
Now this is typical for an initial submission as we continue to make decisions regarding these topics that will be reflected in subsequent amended filings. This filing also summarizes several key agreements that will define how the separation transaction will be concluded. AWI and AFI will enter into and finalize these agreements prior to separation. The Form 10 also presents the Flooring business's historical financial results on a carve out basis. And Dave will explain how this was done and what it means.
So with that, let me turn the call over to Dave.
Thanks, Matt, and good morning to everyone on the call. In reviewing our third quarter results, I'll be referring to the slides available on our website starting with Slide four, Key Metrics. As Tom Waters already covered Slide two and Slide three as an explanation of our standard basis of presentation. Sales in the quarter of $679,000,000 are up 1% versus 2014 on a comparable foreign exchange basis. Operating income and EBITDA are both up 5%.
EPS is lower due to a $14,000,000 non cash charge related to the revaluation of the intercompany loans we have in place to fund our Russian and Chinese investments, which negatively impacted EPS versus the prior year by $0.12 As the ruble and to a lesser extent the RMB devalued, we had to write down the U. S. Dollar carrying value of these loans. In the quarter, our free cash flow was up slightly from $20.14. Net debt was down $138,000,000 driven by our cash generation over the past year.
Return on invested capital was down due to lower as reported profitability in the trailing twelve months including the higher non cash pension expense and separation costs. Slide five details the adjustments we made to EBITDA and provides a reconciliation to our reported net income of $30,000,000 in the quarter. As with prior quarters, we exclude the impact of our non cash U. S. Pension expense of $6,000,000 and costs associated with the flooring separation process of $7,000,000 from our adjusted numbers.
The $6,000,000 cost reduction charge in 2014 was largely related to expenses associated with exiting our Kunshan China engineered wood facility and Thomastown, Australia vinyl tile plant. The interestother line is the result of the non cash intercompany foreign exchange loss that I just mentioned. The third quarter tax expense was similar to 2014. Moving to Slide six, this illustrates our sales and adjusted EBITDA by segment for the quarter. I'll talk through the businesses on the next few slides, but want to note here that corporate segment expenses were up in the quarter driven by the timing of IT spend, but are down on a year to date basis.
Slide seven provides additional color on the Building Products segment results. Ceiling sales were up 2% on an equivalent foreign exchange basis with price and mix gains in all geographies offsetting volume declines. Sales in emerging markets were down year over year led by declines in China and Russia. Sales to India continued to be very strong versus the prior year. As Matt mentioned, North American commercial sales improved sequentially from the first half of the year despite continuing weakness in the healthcare vertical as well as constrained repair and remodel activity across most end markets.
Regionally, the Northeast and Northwest were down as the Northwest was facing a tough comparison. The South Central and West Central regions showed strong growth versus the prior year quarter. Building Products EBITDA was up $6,000,000 in the quarter. Price gains offset volume declines and transactional foreign exchange headwinds. The record performance in The Americas that Matt mentioned drove the improvement as profitability in Europe and the Pacific Rim was essentially flat with twenty fourteen.
Americas EBITDA margins in the quarter expanded more than 100 basis points versus the prior year as the impact of lower volume was more than offset by the benefits of price, mix, productivity and slightly lower energy costs. Slide eight illustrates our resilient segment results. Excluding the impact of foreign exchange, resilient flooring sales are up 3% as gains in North American VCT and the Pacific Rim offset continued weakness in residential products. Price and mix are down as we reduce prices to stem the residential share losses in 2014. Additionally, mix was negatively impacted as VCT volumes were up disproportionately versus higher priced products.
Resilient profitability was down $1,000,000 Increased spending on displays and other selling tools as well as costs associated with the startup of the LVT plant offset VCT sales increases and lower raw material costs in the quarter. Page nine lays out our Wood segment results. Wood sales are down $5,000,000 as price and volume declines more than offset continued mix gains. Volume gains in solid wood were more than offset by declines in engineered wood due to continued capacity issues we are working through at our Somerset Engineered Wood facility. Progress is being made, but it will be 2016 before we restore Engineered Wood to our desired service levels.
Wood adjusted EBITDA was up $5,000,000 as a result of lower input costs. Note that the benefit of lower lumber costs far exceeds the year over year impact to pricing. Recall, we initiated several pricing actions in the second half of twenty fourteen to be competitive with other industry leaders across multiple channels. With lumber prices declining in 2015, we continue to monitor our position relative to competition and evaluate it within the context of our strategy to drive profitable volume and improve mix across our portfolio. Additionally, given the high inventory levels required in the solid wood business, LIFO tends to accelerate the impact of both rising and falling lumber prices.
And this year, we are benefiting from significantly lower lumber costs. We anticipate this will continue in the fourth quarter, but not likely in 2016. Slide 10 shows the building blocks of adjusted EBITDA for the consolidated company from the third quarter of twenty fourteen to our current results. As mentioned, we benefited from lower input costs primarily in the flooring segments. Price and mix were down with lower selling prices in our residential flooring businesses offsetting mix gains in the wood segment and price improvements in the ceilings business.
Manufacturing costs were slightly higher as a result of our challenges at Somerset, the LVT plant startup and the expansion of operations at our Vicksburg, Mississippi engineered wood facility. The SG and A increases are primarily the continuation of our investments in the flooring business. Turning now to Slide 11, you can see our free cash flow for the quarter versus last year. Working capital improvements and reduced capital spending offset lower cash earnings and other timing items. As we have mentioned in the past, quarterly cash flow can be volatile, but unusual items tend to even out over time and as you will see in a few slides, our year to date other cash items are minor.
Slides twelve and thirteen depict our key metrics and our sales and adjusted EBITDA by segment for the first nine months of 2015. These slides are self explanatory, so I'll move on to our year to date bridge on Slide 14. As you can see for the year, adjusted EBITDA is up $6,000,000 Input costs continue to provide significant tailwinds and selling prices have only dropped modestly. We continue to see lower volumes year on year, primarily in wood and ceilings in Europe and The Americas. Lower volumes year to date in The Americas ceilings business are reflective of our results for the first six months of the year.
The $21,000,000 increase in SG and A is largely driven by our residential flooring investments. Slide 15 shows year to date cash flow versus the prior year. Working capital improvements and the significant decline in capital spending more than offset the drop in earnings. Slide 16 shows our guidance for 2015. As Matt mentioned, we have reduced the top end of our sales outlook for the year by $50,000,000 due to foreign exchange and engineered wood volumes.
The ranges for operating income, EBITDA and EPS have all been raised and tightened from previous guidance largely due to lumber costs. Slide 17 provides more details on our outlook for the year and you can see that we have reduced sales in both businesses at the top end. The earnings range for ceilings was reduced slightly at the top end, while the flooring earnings range was raised. Corporate expenses and cash taxes are unchanged from prior guidance, while the capital spending and transaction cost ranges have been narrowed. Lastly, I want to spend a minute on the financial results for Armstrong Flooring Incorporated represented in the Form 10 that was filed earlier this month.
We utilized certain allocation methods to assign a portion of the expenses historically reported in the corporate unallocated segment to the Resilient and Wood Flooring businesses. These allocations were largely derived by headcount, sales or other relevant operational metrics by function. Slide 18 bridges 2014 adjusted EBITDA that we reported last year to the Form 10 as reported operating income for 2014. You can see the impact of the corporate allocations and other items. While these assumptions are appropriate for the Form 10 financials, they are not necessarily good indicators of the future costs of the businesses.
We will provide an outlook for 2016 expectations for AWI and AFI prior to the separation. The other adjustments reflect differences largely driven by lower materiality threshold being applied to the $1,200,000,000 floor company versus the $2,500,000,000 consolidated Armstrong. Other assumptions made in creating this view of historical results involve allocating a portion of the Armstrong U. S. Pension plan expense to AFI.
As noted in the Form 10, we anticipate allocating a smaller pension liability to AFI upon separation than historically represented in the Form 10 financials. The foreign company is also assumed to hold no cash rendering the cash flow statement something of an intellectual exercise and not necessarily an indication of historical cash generation or usage. With that, I'll turn it back over to Matt. Thanks, Dave. Finally, I want
to talk about a couple of items of note on our flooring investments and product development. Last quarter, I mentioned that we placed 2,500 of a planned 5,000 displays with our retail partners. Through September, we've placed more than 4,000 displays and the remaining units will be deployed before year end. More importantly, feedback from our channel partners on the effectiveness of these sales tools has been favorable and we've seen it in our results. For example, FastTek LVT, which is a differentiated and innovative product and is prominently featured in the new displays has experienced a 3x growth in monthly sales compared to the period prior to the display placement.
These displays are a foundational element of our strategy to reinvest in and grow our business with independent retailers. As we move into 2016, this will also involve consumer demand generation, training, additional merchandising, market development and promotional programs, all geared to increase the number of aligned retail partners that Armstrong has as a preferred choice for hard surface forming products and solutions. Last quarter, I also mentioned that we would begin shipping the residential LVT products to our customers in the fourth quarter. We remain on target and will begin taking orders in November. There's still more to do with the LVT plant and we look forward to launching our commercial product line early next year.
We're making meaningful progress in the LVT segment and our strategic investments are beginning to show encouraging results. Finally, on the ceiling side, you may have seen our launch earlier this month of the Total Acoustics platform, which is aimed at addressing the challenges of noise in office, hospitality, healthcare and education facilities. Noise can impede concentration, healing and learning. Total acoustics ceiling panels feature both sound absorption and sound blocking, thus providing complete noise control and design flexibility for our architectural and owner customers. Armstrong's Total Acoustic product offering allows our customers to choose the ceiling that's right for their space.
There's a lot more information on this launch on our North American commercial ceilings website. And so with that, we'd be happy to take questions.
Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Barclays. Your line is now open.
Thanks very much guys. First wanted to thanks for all the color by the way. I wanted to see if we could chat a little bit about the ceilings business. One of your competitors recently talked about pricing in that segment being a little challenged down year over year. And I was wondering, you didn't really we didn't really see that so much in your results.
I wanted to see if you could help us understand if there was any difference regionally. And would you say that you if you did see any increased competitiveness in ceilings on the pricing side that you would characterize it primarily at the lower end of the market or would you describe it somewhat differently?
Thanks, Stephen. I'm going to let Vic answer that. Vic? Yes. Hey, Stephen.
Yes, we did earn positive pricing in the quarter, which I was really pleased to see. We continue to earn the price on the back of our service and our quality levels. We don't mention this much, but we have really put a big effort on improving our service levels, especially on specials and customs, which are less price elastic, if you will. And our quality levels are at really all time levels right now. And so these are the kind of things that we continue to focus on to allow us to go out and earn the pricing.
And with lower inflation, we're continuing to exceed our price over inflation numbers that allow us to expand the margins that you're seeing. So I'm very pleased with that. There was some increased price competitiveness and it was really kind of in pockets and regions around the country. I would say it was mostly on the fringes and we did see it in the commodities segment in particular. But again, it was in pockets and not necessarily broad based.
Okay. I assume from that you meant pockets geographically. Yes. Okay. Thanks.
My second question relates to the flooring business. I guess in particular, you mentioned some of the increased focus on glass backed vinyl and obviously there's the LVT expansion. And I was curious if you are finding that your increased focus in those areas, glass backed vinyl and LVT in particular, are having any negative impact on pricing in those categories? And then also whether or not you've seen an increased focus from one of your competitors in the VCT area, sort of a renewed focus there having any impact?
Thanks, Stephen. I'm going to we'll ask Donna to
try that one. Donna? Hi, Steve. I think there's kind of two questions in there to respond to. First of all, on pricing, obviously, we're very focused on improving our share position in LVT.
And as such, we have been very responsive to market pricing to be able to drive that. And thus far, we've been pleased with our momentum that we're seeing there.
But we are responding to a very competitive and
challenging cost environment as we In In regards to the second part of your question, was the refresh my memory. Oh, yes, on the VCT, sorry about that. On the VCT portion, we have had certainly in the quarter a nice benefit and some service issues from one of our competitors. We believe that that has really benefited us by really connecting with customers that historically have been doing business with others. And that's given them an opportunity to experience the service levels as well as the quality of our products.
And so we're very encouraged by the response that we've seen there. Having said that, we do believe our competitor will resolve that service issue. And so that's not something that necessarily will repeat itself into 2016.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes with SunTrust. Your line is now open.
A couple of questions. First,
within ceilings in The United States, can you give us sort of a number of what price mix was up in the quarter and whether it was more price or mix contributing to the results?
Dave? Yes. Hi, Keith. It's Dave Schultz. So thank you for your question.
So within ceilings, I would say that the overall price mix was about balanced within ceilings business across the world.
And regarding volume, I know you said volume was down. What was sort of the tone of business in the quarter on that? And any kind of things you can tell us into October?
Yes. Let me take that, Keith. I think overall volume and I think your question is very specific to The U. S, is that correct?
Well, it's larger, yes.
Okay. Yes. Let me so broadly speaking, let me just start there at the global level. Our volumes were off globally versus prior year really driven by I think what Dave and Matt both mentioned are emerging markets. But China and Russia were high single digit contractionary in terms of volume.
And that was a big headwind for us globally. We saw some positive in both Continental Europe and The UK. So there's some mixed positive signals out there globally. India, as Matt mentioned, was up high double digits. So we had a kind of a mixed bag outside The U.
S. Inside The U. S, again, we continue to see what we talked about at the end of the second quarter, which is very uneven regional performance in terms of new projects mix versus R and R. So regional differences and then the rate of improvement and we did see sequential rates of improvement from the first quarter to the second quarter and then into the third quarter. But even the rates of improvement across the regions varied.
So it's a very uneven and inconsistent recovery as we see it in the demand profile.
Okay. And final question. There's been a lot of controversy in laminate flooring given the allegations and things going on here at Lumber Liquidators around formaldehyde and its use in the product. Can you kind of just review for everyone what and I know you do a little bit of laminate, you primarily source it. Can you kind of review for everyone what you've done in testing and any changes you've made in testing in the last six months given the news has come out?
Thanks, Keith. Don, do you want to take that one?
Yes. Great question. We've always done significant testing on our products to ensure that they meet our specifications. But since this China source issue really hit back in March, we've expanded that comprehensive testing program to ensure that Armstrong products meet or exceed all of our industry standards. Since June, we've received the results of over 150 independent raw core and core deconstruction tests.
And based on these tests, our strict certifications, our specification requirements, we remain very confident that our laminate flooring products are safe. And as I say, meet or exceed all applicable standards really just as they always have.
And to be clear that is even with the deconstructed test. Is that correct?
That is correct.
All right. Thank you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.
Good morning. It's actually Jason in for Mike. First question is on the wood flooring. I was hoping you could provide a little bit more detail on the engineered wood availability challenges that you're seeing. How much of that you think specifically impacted sales during the quarter and how you see that part playing out for the rest of the year?
And then on the margin front, I mean, obviously, lower lumber costs was a big driver of the improvement that you saw. So as you entered the fourth quarter, where were you from a price cost standpoint?
Yes, great. So first of all, the capacity constraints that we've been experiencing on the engineered side have been rather significant for the year. We have made three major kind of focuses to address that. One is working on our Somerset facility and getting their throughput rates to a much higher level and we've made significant progress on that front and are very encouraged by the improvements that have been made there. Number two is we reinstated our Vicksburg Mississippi facility and brought that plan up in the quarter and actually was proud to see that plan actually come online about a month earlier than we had anticipated.
And we have on a much smaller degree have also done some selective sourcing with some domestic suppliers. So all of those have come together. As Matt mentioned in his comments, we do expect to see the capacity constraints to continue through the fourth quarter. However, it's a we expect ourselves to be in pretty good shape as we enter into 2016. So nice improvement I think as we progress through Q4.
As it relates to the profitability piece, we have seen declining lumber prices that we haven't had to fully price back. And this has really been the key driver to our efforts or to our results. As well though, we continue to focus our efforts on the higher end products as well as the independent retailers and we're seeing that pay off as we continue to drive the mix improvement within the segment. We don't provide wood specific guidance and we haven't guided yet towards 2016. And we certainly can't control lumber costs, but we are focused on disciplined pricing in the marketplace, while maintaining our share position.
We're also remaining focused on our strategy of driving higher mix of products and improving our plant operations.
Thank you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Nishu Sood with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.
Thanks. First question is for Vik on the ceiling volume outlook, particularly I'm thinking about The U. S. The challenge in terms of understanding volume drivers for the last couple of years has been that repair and remodeling hasn't seemed to keep up with the pace of improvement in new commercial construction. And now it seems as though the levels of new starts have peaked as well and are coming down that activity.
So how should we think about things going forward? Is just this is it going to continue to be on a lagged basis in your view? Or is this just the case that this cycle will never really get any legs behind it for repair and remodeling?
Hi Nishu. Yes, I think this market recovery has been very different in a lot of ways. And as we talked about and continue to see, it's been very uneven, not just geographically, but across the segment. So we talk a lot about the new construction office and that's certainly been a very bright spot and a great driver of the demand that we're seeing. But healthcare remains anemic really.
Education was positive in the summer, but overall doesn't have the broad base to continue out of its seasonal periods. So it's a very uneven profile as we see it right now. And then to your point around how those new projects and new construction projects were flowing through versus R and R activity, again, it continues to be very uneven. Until we get a broad based economic recovery in The U. S, the R and R activity is going to continue to be spotty.
And that's how we view it. And as we've outlooked, we need a pretty healthy GDP level to be broad based enough to drive the R and R activity again, not just the office segments. So again, it's just in summary, I think we're experiencing a very uneven recovery and therefore very uneven demand profile.
Okay, thanks. Appreciate your thoughts. And then a question for
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mike Wood with Macquarie Capital. Your line is now open.
Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just another question on ceilings. Year to date, if we look at your volume numbers, it would appear that you have seeded shares in The Americas. And I'm saying particularly if we exclude the growth that you're getting in decorative architectural, Is that are you attributing that or would you say that's due to pricing strategy? And are you planning to react to kind of hold or regain share?
Well, let me first start with saying, I'm not sure I would agree with the premise on the share comment. I mean, with the structure of this industry and the way this market is structured around a very large installed base, share movement between quarters is really impossible to measure. And anybody concluding share movement across the quarter, even a couple of quarters, isn't likely to come up with the right conclusion. So, I would just say that as context. But again, I think we continue to manage and maintain our share aggressively where we're faced with price competitiveness.
And so and we plan to continue to do that frankly. So I think that our pricing policies are really geared around as I was mentioning earlier, the things that we do to drive value for the customer, especially around our service and quality initiatives and increasing the performance levels of our products overall like we launched earlier this week, the total acoustics product line. We're very excited about what that brings to the marketplace in terms of a high performance total acoustics, both absorbing high absorbing and high sound blocking characteristics, which is a high performance and a very new performance characteristic for our architects to be able to choose from. So So those are the things we're going to continue to do to drive again the value creation in the market with the support of our customer base.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Bob Wheaton Hall with RBC Capital Market. Your line is now open.
Hey, guys. Good morning. And nice to see a lot of underlying things are trending in the right direction after you strip out the FX. I know you guys are getting ready for the spin and that creates a little noise, but I was hoping to hope Vic and Don would just talk for a minute about how they're measuring performance in the business. Is it based on EBITDA growth?
Is it based on segment EBIT? Are you using return on invested capital framework? Can you give us some help as investors in thinking about how you're evaluating performance of each of your businesses?
Let me Bob, it's Matt. Thank you for the kind words upfront. We haven't before I pass it over to Vic and Don to comment, we haven't declared the long term incentive plan measurements or metrics for 2016 yet. That will certainly be part of the announcement we make in the earnings call in February. But they can comment on how we're measuring the businesses today through the end of the year.
Vic, we'll let you go first. And actually, it's the same for both businesses. So but any comments you guys want to make?
Yes. I mean beyond the financial metrics, which are very clear and we talk about these every quarter and there's no reason why the focus on these financial metrics won't continue to be the same ones. But underlying that, the innovation that we're driving in the business around new product development to bring higher value, higher performance products to the market, like I was just mentioning on total acoustics is what we're going to continue to drive and maybe even get even more laser focused on those kinds of things to make sure that we're driving the price over inflation and the metrics around that and mix up. I don't see those changing. In fact, we're going to continue to do the things inside the business connected to our customer that are going to help us maintain those.
Don? Yes,
great. Same as Vik, really ROIC is our long term metric today. Internally, we incent short term on EBITDA and obviously have a keen eye towards free cash flow. The softer side, we've really been focused on three areas as we prepare for the separation. One is really developing our growth strategy to get momentum built on our top line.
Number two is getting our culture orientation focused more externally onto the consumer and the customer. And lastly, rebuilding our distributor and ASA channels presentation, which is really what drives our top line growth. And that's what we've really been focused on is getting the top line momentum established.
Just an additional comment on the long term incentive plan. The Board, our Board and particularly our comp committee has been very engaged and very involved in the development and the review of our thoughts around long term incentive plans and measurements. And I would just say that we will continue to focus on identifying and driving the business in a way that optimizes our alignment with our shareholder base. So that continues to be the guiding principles as we think about 2016. We look forward to sharing that with you in the earnings call in the first quarter.
Thanks, Bob.
Got you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Nishu Sood with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.
Thanks. I wanted to ask a question for Don
on the
residential side of things, particularly on repair and remodeling. Obviously, there are some concerns out there about pace of deliveries of new construction. But as you look across, I guess, principally your wood business, and to a lesser extent in your resi business, your repair and remodeling trends have been good. So if you split out the effects, for example, of the engineered wood availability, are you seeing that in your business? And is your portfolio of products is out there?
Do you feel you're well positioned to capture that going forward?
Yes. Thank you, Nishu. And sorry for the operator cutting you off there. I could tell you we're coming in with a second question there. So I'll speak to wood.
Sales are down largely due to the availability of our engineered wood products. However, sales of our solid wood products are actually up year on year and that's being driven by the dynamics that you discussed. So really yes, we are starting to see that. Obviously, I guess, it's below where I would like to see it and then very disappointed in the service levels on the engineer side and look forward to getting that issue resolved here in the quarter so that we can really come back to the market in full force in 2016.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Scott Redner with Zelman and Associates. Your line is now open.
Hi, good morning. This question is for Don on Wood Flooring. Previously, if you look historically, double digit EBITDA margins for this business was not out of question. It was probably pretty consistently you guys are printing margins in that arena. And realizing this is just one quarter, but you're already back there with the volume challenges that you're having.
Understand there's a lot of moving pieces and you guys aren't going to give specific guidance. But as you look at this business going forward and now you've been in the helm there for a few quarters, is that an unrealistic expectation if you're able to get volume back through?
So I guess I would limit my comments to really we're sticking with the strategy we articulated, which is we do want to gain share back, but we're being very selective on where we get that share gain back. And so we're trying to drive that into those channels and product segments where we can see the kind of returns that you're referencing. So that unfortunately is something that evolves over time and is a pretty significant ground game for us. But I think that is the right strategy for our business and we are working that from all angles including our relationship with our distributors, with the national accounts as well as with our new product introductions.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research Group. Your line is now open.
Hi. Thanks for taking my questions today. The first question is really more broadly on the cycle within anything else and using ceilings as the touch point for which to talk about the non res cycle. In earlier in your prepared commentary, you had said that North American sales had improved sequentially from the beginning of the year. Could you quantify on a volume basis what sales were up or sales volumes were up for ceilings, say, in the very beginning of the year?
And what type of trends were you seeing as the quarter came to a close? And then the second leg to this question is, in your opinion, where do you think we are in terms of the non res cycle at least in North America? Thank you.
Go ahead, Jack.
Okay. Hi, Catherine. Yes, sequentially, starting in the first quarter, and there's some seasonality to these numbers too. I know you know this from your experience from into the second quarter, third quarter being the seasonally strongest quarter of the year. We have seen sequential improvement.
I mean, all of the DoddStart data that everybody sees and has been reading about really since 2014 and the construction put in place numbers that really spiked in 2014. I think a lot of those lag periods now are coming are expiring and a lot of those projects are starting to bleed through with the need for a ceiling. And so as long as the R and R stays relatively soft, I think the demand profile for us is really going to come from that new construction segment. So I don't think that you can draw a conclusion about the overall cycle as a result of that. And we certainly aren't able to and nobody's been able to call this recovery cycle very well so far.
So I
wouldn't want to speculate on that. But it clearly has been improving as we see more of the new construction starts coming through in the need of a ceiling.
I hope
that's helpful.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Ken Zener with KeyBanc. Your line is now open.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Good morning.
Vic, I wonder and Matt, given what happened in flooring with luxury vinyl tile where a very high market share structure that you had was kind of disintermediated and you guys obviously have been addressing that. I wonder, when I'm thinking about ceiling tiles, because there's really different end markets, so when you guys talk about the connection to the architect, I think that's obviously a very important and defensible position. But I wonder when it moves towards more perhaps commodity type applications. So if it's for schools that are going to be lower price per tile or not necessarily healthcare, but maybe at the state level, right, just some of their buildings. I assume could you kind of walk through how your relationship is more applicable in some verticals because it's really the state, the education and the healthcare that's been kind of the weaker categories versus retail and office.
So is there something that you could kind of point to that would say your relationship with the architect is just as strong or is it really that they have Armstrong in that school and they're just going to order the same tile again? Thank you very much.
Yes, great question. This is Matt. Our relationship and the involvement with the architect and design community, first of all, their involvement is significant across all four major commercial segments that we serve. You point to healthcare and education as two that have been a bit of a drag in the last year or two, but they both have very high specification requirements for either noise abatement, noise attenuation or absorption. So performance still matters in both of those applications and continued development and continued introduction of new product, in our case, is a differentiator.
So we spent a tremendous amount of time with the architects involved across all four market segments and we think we are uniquely positioned in our industry to hold on to those relationships as they go forward. Clearly, having a large installed base, particularly in education, affords us a kind of a robust flow of of products. I mean, it's a great annuity and that in itself is a significant competitive advantage. But we spent a tremendous amount of time with architects across all four commercial market segments. We think that's a differentiator.
Demand creation still occurs there. And at the same time, we continue to differentiate ourselves with new products.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Will Randell with Citi. Your line is now open.
Hi, good morning. This is Scott Schreier in for Will. Can you
talk about your free cash flow generation?
It looks like you've been doing a good job with that managing your working capital. Is there anything that's going on there? Or is that more of a function of like you said just the lumpiness?
Hi, Scott. It's Dave Scholl. Thank you for your question. Overall, I mean, we are very focused on maintaining a suitable working capital for both of our businesses. So it is a focus area.
Free cash flow generation is something that we track and measure very religiously as do most companies. So I would say that for the quarter, we did have some lumpiness as it relates to some of those other items, both in the base period and in the current quarter. But if you take a look at our year to date cash flow, you can see that that evens out pretty well. So what I would say is that we are very focused on getting our working capital investments down where we measure the days very closely as I already mentioned. And then obviously from a key free cash flow basis, we're also getting the benefit of lower capital spending relative to the investments that we had made for plants primarily within Russia and with the LVT facility versus the prior year.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of John Bau with Stifel. Your line is now open.
Thanks. I just had a quick question on WAVE. I believe you mentioned that was a contributor to earnings. What are the volumes doing at Wave? Is it different from ceilings?
And are we benefiting from input costs there still Dan or any color? Thank you.
Yes.
Yes, WAVE was a positive contributor on earnings this quarter. They had a very strong performance. As you know, the steel costs are coming down and that is helping margin expansion. But they also had along with The U. S.
Market, they also had positive volume growth. So very good strong performance by that team in the quarter.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Bob Wheaton Hall with RBC Capital Market. Your line is now open.
Hey, just a follow-up and I think someone touched earlier on kind of like repair and remodel not being very engaged. I'm not looking for numerical guidance on EBITDA or anything, but I was hoping you guys could give a more defined characterization of demand trends on an underlying basis in North America. But do you feel like the commercial demand is choppy Or do you feel like it's just grinding slowly higher and we should think about unit volumes tracking at mid single digit or low single digit? I was hoping we can get some color on that both in flooring and in ceilings.
Hey, Bob, I'm going to ask Vic to make a comment on commercial and then maybe Don to share some thoughts on residential. Before I do that, I want to offer the same apology to you that I think Don offered an issue in terms of it seemed like you got cut off and as you were asking another question. So apologies for that. But no worries. Thanks.
You want
to comment on commercial, Vic? Yes. I think the you mentioned the sequential improvement. Again, I think it goes back to the new Dodge starts that we've all been tracking since late twenty thirteen and 2014, where we've continued to see positive growth in new construction starts. And so again, there's a pretty good lag period as we've talked about between a new construction start to when they actually need the ceiling.
And again, I think as we see positive year over year Dodge new construction starts and construction put in place numbers, that should and that's what's been bleeding through here. And I think that's driving the sequential improvement in addition to some of the seasonality that you normally get. So yes, the repair, remodel has again been very uneven and very spotty across the regions. And I don't think we could point to that to say that has been a volume driver across the overall U. S.
Market. It's been really the new construction and in particular office as we've mentioned before.
Don? Don, any
thoughts on residential? Yes. Similar themes really new has been I think the primary driver behind the markets. Obviously, we were encouraged with a pretty strong Q1 and into Q2 as we discussed. I would say things have leveled off and as it's been described as a bit lumpy from month to month.
I would say overall the markets are kind of performing as we have outlooked and that continues for us in the month of October, which is pretty much behind us as well. So kind of see a continuation of that as we enter into Q4.
Good.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of David MacGregor with Longbow Research. Your line is now open.
Hi, guys. This is Connor on for David. Just wanted to explore kind of LVT business and obviously there's been an uptick in demand for LVT. Kind of where would you see LVT as a percentage of the North American market and kind of where that goes from here and also where does Armstrong fit in with that?
Yes. So LVT is the segment within the hard flooring surface world that is really growing quite significantly both in commercial and residential applications. And so it is obviously strategically for us a key area of focus. We believe that we are in both of our businesses seeing either at or above market growth rates in what we've brought to market thus far and obviously are encouraged with bringing our new plan online here in Q4.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jim Barrett with CL King Associates. Your line is now open.
Good morning, everyone.
Good morning.
Dave, this is a question for you. Your hardwood cost, did they continue to decline throughout the quarter? And can you give us as of quarter end or as of today, where your average hardwood costs stand relative before the large inflation in that input?
Sure, Jim. Just bear with me one second. So overall, what we've been seeing throughout the year here is, as we mentioned earlier, some relatively significant declines in overall hardwood. I would say that right now, what we're seeing on the GreenOak flooring grade is probably in the range of $5.30 to $5.35 per 1,000 board feet. So obviously, we have been able to benefit from the deflationary impact of both the lumber costs, but then as we mentioned earlier, we are seeing some acceleration in the margins primarily because of our inventory valuations that go along with that.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Justin Bergner with Gabelli. Your line is now open.
Good morning, everyone.
Good morning. Good morning.
My first question relates to the general market backdrop for remodel and renovation spend in the ceilings business. Has Armstrong done any work internally to gauge whether the spending on lighting renovation is crowding out some of the spending on ceiling renovation? And if so, what have your findings been?
I'll take that.
Yes, go ahead.
Yes. So the channel that gets influenced most by the dynamic that you're referring to is a channel that's actually growing faster for us than some of the other channels. And the incident rates on some of the lower level maintenance type activity in our data says that, that is that activity is up. And so I would say that's not our it wouldn't be our conclusion that more spending on lighting has crowded out remodel or renovation expenditures for our products. It might even be the contrary to that based on the data that we're seeing.
Hope that's helpful.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open.
Hi. It's actually Alex Wong sitting in for George. Thanks for all the details. Just a question on ceilings. I know earlier in the commentary you cited, I think weakness in healthcare for North America commercial.
As we look into fourth quarter into next year, can you just speak a little to the verticals whether you're expecting the various end markets to be either more favorable or less favorable, the dynamics there? And just on a related point, you've done a really good job pushing price mix higher in ceilings, but just curious to see how much more can prices go up without a corresponding tension maybe on the volume front, particularly given some degree of increased competition and to your point, Vic, a kind of choppy recovery? Thank you.
Yes. First on the verticals, again, I would just refer you back to the same thing that I'm sure all of us were looking at, which are the construction put in place numbers by vertical and the new construction starts that Dodge publishes. Healthcare continues to be a very low level new leading indicators are anemic, I think, leading indicators are anemic, I think that's what we could all draw conclusions on what we think the activity is going to be in those two sectors. So the as far as the pricing and the overall mix, again, the market is trying to use the ceiling plane for higher acoustical performance and better aesthetics. And we're just working very closely with the customer base to make sure that we've got the right solutions and the right level of innovation to help them accomplish what they're trying to accomplish.
And again, we're committed to doing that. And we're again, we're launching this total acoustics package over 60 different products to allow customers not to have to choose between sound absorption or sound blocking. They can have both now for the first time. And we're very pleased about giving our customers this design flexibility and then the occupants of the buildings the flexibility to reuse, repurpose that space because they have a total acoustic solution. And that's the kind of innovation, that's the kind of value creation that we want to push in the marketplace by meeting what customers really need in their end use markets.
So that's how I think we focus and we think about price. And again, coupled with good service, high quality, that's how we think we can continue to move to higher places.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Catherine Thompson with Thompson Research Group. Your line is now open.
Thanks. How much of the choppiness or lumpiness that you're seeing do you think is tied to the type of projects we're seeing in the cycle and or bottlenecks in the channel such as particularly what we've seen in terms of labor shortage? And also follow-up, any change in order backlogs, I was trying to sneak in in my last question, any changes you're seeing in terms of orders in the quarter? Thank you.
Thanks, Catherine. Yes, we'll give you that second question as well. We'll have Vic respond.
Yes. Catherine, it's really fundamentals in the marketplace that is driving regional fundamentals that it's driving some of this unevenness and choppiness we believe, especially on the R and R. We also have done some research that would indicate the type of commercial projects, which are larger, are driving some different spike levels, if you will, our volatility region to region and some of the demand profiles. So it's a little bit of both, but I would really bring us back to it's the fundamentals regional fundamental differences that are driving some of the choppiness that we see.
Good. Thank you. Thanks, Vik. Thanks, everyone, for your interest this morning and your questions. I want to just take a second here to acknowledge Don and Vic's significant contribution to the call this morning.
I think you can see why we're very excited to have them as the future CEOs of AWI and AF5. So with that, have a great afternoon.
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