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Bank of America 2022 Healthcare Conference

May 11, 2022

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

To be introduced to Cigna. Cigna is one of the largest health insurers and the largest pharmacy benefit management companies. Presenting today, we have Brian Evanko, who's the CFO. We also have Ralph Giacobbe from the Investor Relations as well. I think we're just going to jump right into Q&A. I guess, first on the commercial side of the business, the quarter of guidance, because of the market becoming as relevant as we thought. Can you tell a little bit about what drove the performance and closed the membership? Let's start there.

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Sure. Good morning, everybody. Great to be here face-to-face as well. Thanks for hosting us. Our commercial membership in the first quarter came in a bit stronger than we expected. For the full year across Cigna Healthcare, which is our overall health plan segment at Cigna , we're guiding for net medical customer growth to be at least 725,000 lives for the year, which is an increase of about 150,000 lives from where we had previously expected those results to come in. The vast majority of the growth that we'll see this year in 2022 comes from fee-based relationships. Within our U.S. commercial segment, we have about 80%- 85% of our lives in self-funded or fee-based relationships. The 725,000 of growth that we expect will come predominantly from those types of arrangements. There are a few different drivers of that, Kevin.

One, we did see some stronger new client sales than what we had previously been anticipating. Two, we've seen stronger retention in pockets of the book of business than what we had been anticipating. Thirdly, within groups, there's less attrition that's transpired, which I would ascribe predominantly to the economy strengthening over the course of the last year or two. Those three factors contributed to the strength in the fee-based offerings. Importantly, our sales and client management teams, which I would assert are the best in the industry, continue to focus on making sure they understand each of our clients' unique needs and tailoring benefit programs to those.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

When we think about those three components that drove it, was there one that was an outsized contributor?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Amongst the three, the first two that I highlighted, the new client wins and the stronger retention, were greater than the third. You can think of just directionally those two as being the larger contributors.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Can you talk a little bit about the competitive environment in commercial right now? One of the things that we always look at when we worry about a more competitive commercial pricing environment is the nonprofit Blues capital levels. Those still are kind of near all-time highs. The comment that you made last year about pricing in $1 of the $2 of COVID headwinds for this year because you were concerned about the potential disruption in the marketplace for kind of fully pricing it back in just sounded a little bit like there were some competitive pressures that you were considering when you made that pricing decision. I'd love to just hear your updated views on the backdrop.

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Yeah, the commercial markets are competitive. There's no doubt about that. Importantly, not irrational. The competitive dynamics, I would assert, are not meaningfully different than what they have been in prior years, meaning this market is always looking for affordability. This market's always looking for ways to make sure that they're attracting and retaining the best employees. Competitive, but not irrational. Importantly for us, we entered 2022 saying we needed to expand our margins in the Cigna Healthcare book of business. Our 2021 margin for the healthcare segment was 8.1%. That's below what our long-term margin goal is for that segment, which is between 9% and 10.5%. We stepped into the year saying we need to expand the margin. We're doing that. We're on track with our refreshed income guide to deliver margins between 8.5% and 9%. Think mid to high 8s from a profit margin standpoint.

We're showing the net growth of 725,000 + lives. Many people didn't think we could expand margins and grow customers. We were able to do that here in 2022. As we step into 2023, we have a further margin expansion opportunity off of what we'll deliver here in 2022. A lot of that comes back to the sales and client management and the fact that many of our employer clients are asking for our support in their benefit strategies to make sure that they're attracting and retaining employees given how competitive the labor market is. The discussions we're having with our employer clients are quite a bit different right now than they were five or ten years ago when they were talking about tweaks to benefit plan designs. They're much more focused on their overall employee management strategy right now.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Is there any reason to believe that you wouldn't be at that target margin for 2023?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

We certainly expect to see margin expansion in 2023 off of 2022. Importantly, the pricing happens client by client in commercial, where we're looking at claims, experience, et cetera. To the extent that we're not able to get the prices, I guess, all the way back to the target margins, there could be another year that's required, but our goal will be to try to capture it in 2023.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

That commentary about how employers are thinking about health benefits for their employees. You know, when I hear higher retention, obviously there's a dynamic of maybe people are just not looking to switch during COVID or they're focused on back to work and not focused on benefit changes versus the things that you're doing to kind of improve retention and create that value. How would you think about the outperformance? Is there a macro thing where you think that there might be more out for bid next year? Is there something you point to as far as an initiative that got you that retention?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

There's certainly a little bit more in the way of RFP volumes coming through right now for 2023 in comparison to what we saw for 2022 and 2021. The national account segment, which is our largest clients, I think 5,000+ , tends to be earlier in the cycle. Here, as we sit here in May, most of the national accounts have made choices as to whether they're going to be out to bid or not for 2023. We tend to see between 50 and 100 RFPs for national accounts in a given year. This year for 2023, we'll be up roughly 20% in terms of volumes compared to what we saw in 2022. The early returns on that are that the incumbents appear to have an advantage, all else equal, based on what we're hearing so far from some of the national account RFP opportunities.

The dust hasn't settled on that. There's still more time that will unfold. Importantly, one thing that's been a bit of a silver lining, if you could call it that, from the pandemic is there's a stronger link between employment and health benefits now than there has been probably at any point I could assert in my career that I've seen. Meaning employers are saying a benefit strategy that's going to attract new employees in and retain them is a really important part of my overall talent management strategy. It's not just a matter of saying, what should we do with the deductibles this year or the premium levels, but how do I think of health benefits as a mechanism to bring the best and brightest into my company and keep them there?

Our sales and client management teams are very focused on helping our employers grow their business beyond just the healthcare component of the benefits that we would historically have consulted on. That's a big change that's transpired in the last year or two. We think we're really well positioned to capitalize on that trend.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. As we think about the Evernorth part of the business, maybe focus first on the PBM side of things. Retention dropped a little bit this year, but next year it looks like it's bouncing back to where you guys are targeting it. I guess what happened this year, and how is the selling season for next year shaping up?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Within Evernorth, and keep in mind, Evernorth includes the Express Scripts PBM. It also includes the Accredo Specialty Pharmacy. It includes our Express Scripts mail order capabilities, and it includes a series of health services capabilities that today are not that significant, but we're investing to build out. Think in that latter bucket: virtual care, behavioral health, remote diagnostic monitoring, et cetera. Back on the retention question, I think Kevin was specifically asking about the Express Scripts PBM. In 2022, we had two known health plan client losses that contributed to the retention level in 2022 being a bit lower, mid 90s, if you think of it for purposes of the full year. Historically, we had been more in the 96%- 98% range on a sustained basis. That's measuring overall prescriptions and then what percentage of those renew. It's ignoring new business.

It's only looking at the existing prescriptions one year to the next. For purposes of 2023, as of now, we have about 90% of the renewals of volumes locked in, and we would expect retention of 95% or better based on what we see as of today. Importantly, this is just the pharmacy benefit management capability within Express Scripts. It doesn't include the Accredo Specialty Pharmacy, which right now is delivering over 35% of the revenue for Evernorth. I wouldn't want everyone to focus solely on the PBM. Importantly, we'll see stronger retention in 2023.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

What would it look like if we included the specialty pharmacy business? I mean, is it a similar kind of retention rate on specialty?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

It's a bit of a different conversation with the specialty because we have many patients that we serve in the specialty pharmacy who are not PBM clients. I think about roughly 40% of our Accredo Specialty Pharmacy patients do not have a PBM relationship with us. Oftentimes, what happens is a patient who has a complex condition will utilize our Accredo Specialty Pharmacy, and then they'll become a lifetime user of the Accredo capabilities because the clinical experts that we have in Accredo are second to none in terms of their ability to work with patients, make sure that they're staying on the right medication protocols, et cetera. It's a bit of a different conversation. We expect continued growth in specialty, both in terms of the all-in prescriptions, but importantly, the revenue.

As I shared in our first quarter update on Friday, within Evernorth, less than 1% of the overall prescriptions are specialty, but over 35% of the revenue comes from specialty. Very small volumes, but high-dollar prescriptions because these are really complicated conditions and often high-dollar drugs that require extreme care and really expertise from the clinicians to make sure the patients are staying on track.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

While we're talking about specialty, biosimilars have gotten a lot of focus. How are you thinking about that opportunity for the company? In general over time, but then maybe specifically on the timing, how do you think about 2023 versus 2024 impact of biosimilars?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Okay, so we're excited about the biosimilar wave, if you will, that's to come. There are already biosimilars in the market, as I'm sure everyone knows. Just this past year in 2021, for example, we brought Semglee into our national preferred formulary for insulin, and that's something that'll drive costs down for our clients and customers as one example. In 2023, we have a bit of a step up in the biosimilar environment with Humira, where we expect to see biosimilar competition starting in the first quarter and then a series of additional biosimilars introduced in the third quarter of 2023. 2023 will be a bit of an acceleration year, if you will, relative to where the market's been with biosimilars to date. 2024 will have another step with Stelara coming to market with biosimilars.

There's going to be a bit of a build effect over the coming years and an accumulation effect where you'll start to see greater contributions in 2024 and 2025 from biosimilars. There's still quite a bit to work through here in terms of contract negotiations with the existing brand manufacturers and the biosimilar manufacturers to determine exactly what's on the formularies and what sequence. We're excited about the opportunity to drive competition. Ultimately, we're squarely focused on lowest net cost for our clients and customers. That could be biosimilars that are interchangeable, could be biosimilars that are not interchangeable, could be Humira in some instances. It depends on where we get to in terms of lowest net cost for our clients and customers.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

I guess when we think about the biosimilar, because you guys have given the long-term growth rate of what you think Evernorth is going to be, does that 4%- 6% number kind of include an assumption that biosimilars was going to come in? Or is biosimilars kind of an upside opportunity on top of that long-term growth rate of Evernorth?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Yeah, so I'm going to rewind the clock a little, and then I'll get to the forward-looking. When Cigna acquired Express Scripts at the end of 2018, most people concluded that the Express Scripts business would not be able to grow at a meaningful rate. Most people thought zero, maybe 2% growth. We've shown over that time period that there's a meaningful amount of growth in the Evernorth business, which includes Express Scripts and those other capabilities I was alluding to earlier. If you rewind the clock and look at 2019 revenue for Evernorth and look at our 2022 revenue guide, $40 billion of revenue growth has transpired in three years. That's over 40% growth in three years off a business that most people thought would not be able to grow.

When we introduced in the 2019 Investor Day a growth goal of 3%- 5% annual Evernorth revenue and income growth, many people questioned whether we could do that. We were able to outperform that meaningfully to date. Last year at our Investor Day, we increased that to 4%- 6% in the March 2021 Investor Day. That included an assumption around biosimilars at the time, Kevin, in terms of what we knew was to come. Obviously, as we get more and more data points, we continue to refine those estimates. What we'll talk about at our Investor Day on June 3rd, just a few weeks away now, is exactly how to think about the numerical contributions from the biosimilars and how that ladders up into the overall Evernorth growth outlook.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, that's helpful. I guess how do you participate in the economics of that? Because I guess when we think about biosimilars, it's okay, look back at the generic wave and how that impacted the business. As the business has moved to more transparent models, the focus to your point on lowest net cost, how does the company actually benefit from the value that you're creating for your customers?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Yeah, there are a number of ways where the biosimilars will contribute to our P&L. On a drug-for-drug basis, if we move someone from a brand over into a biosimilar, we expect the revenue contribution will probably be a little bit lower, but we expect the income contribution will be similar or potentially a little bit stronger on a drug-for-drug basis when we make that migration. Importantly, we view the biosimilars as a little bit different than the classic branded generic shift because in this case, you've got the nuances such as is it interchangeable or is it not. You have the nuances, for example, with Humira of two different dosages and making sure that patients are getting the right dosage level. You've also got the nuance of getting physician alignment and patient alignment with the biosimilars if they've been accustomed to taking the brand for some period of time.

There are a number of variables in there that will impact adoption. We would expect, at the end of the day, if we're able to move someone over to a biosimilar, drive down the cost, that we'll be able to capture a piece of that. Whether that's in the different economic levers we have today, such as rebates or spread pricing or others, we would expect we'll be able to capture a piece of that in our income.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, great. I guess just to your point about how the last guidance had 4%- 6% included some amount of biosimilars, you knew that wave was coming. I guess what do you know now that you didn't know when you provided that last update in guidance? You're trying to think about what's changed over the last year or so.

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

There's a little bit more specificity of the calendar of events. There's a little bit more specificity around, as I was saying, interchangeability. As we start to have early contract negotiations with the manufacturers, we're starting to get signals as to what the economics could look like. There's just a few updates along those lines. Importantly, as you step back and think about the 4%- 6% growth, Evernorth represents a variety of services that we provide to employers, health plans, and government entities. Biosimilars is not the only driver of that by any means. It's just one contributor to the overall picture. We're going to be growing each component within Evernorth at different rates, but they're all going to grow. Biosimilars is a tailwind for us all in, but it's not the only contributor to the 4%- 6%.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

It maybe makes sense to talk a little bit more about that because it feels like you guys believe that Evernorth is not being valued appropriately by the street. It also kind of feels from the street perspective that we don't have a great sense of what actually drives Evernorth. I guess it sounds like it's going to be a big part of what the analysts say it's going to be about. Is there any way to kind of size like core PBM versus specialty versus other health services? How do you think about those drivers?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Yeah, I'll try to be directionally helpful maybe without too much precision. If you think about the current revenue contribution from the different components, I mentioned specialty represents about 35% of the revenue. Actually, we crossed over the 35% mark of Evernorth revenue. The health services, so think of those that are non-pharmacy oriented, you can view that as a small piece today, but one that will grow more rapidly in the future. Think of it in the 10% or slightly less than 10% range on revenue. The balance is in the Express Scripts PBM and mail order capabilities. If you just dimension the pieces on a revenue basis and where the growth will come in the future, we would expect, again, if you just take those three buckets, the highest percentage growth rate is likely to come from the health services category, which represents the smallest contributor to revenue.

We would expect specialty to continue to grow at a high rate. The lowest of the three in terms of growth rates would be the PBM and the mail order capability. We would expect each of these to grow. Each component of Evernorth will grow, but they'll grow at different rates. It ladders up to the all-in figure we were referencing earlier.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

That's really helpful. I guess when we think about the services business and growing a services business, it's something that every managed care company is now talking about. It feels from the outside as if it's a more competitive environment to do that. What differentiates you when you think about the offerings that you bring to bear? How do you differentiate yourself in the market?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Yeah, in the health services space, we still have a tremendous amount of headroom here, both to build out capabilities organically, and it's an area of M&A priority for us as well. Today we have capabilities, if you think about virtual care, with our acquisition of MDLive last year. Behavioral care, we've had behavioral clinicians that have served our Cigna Healthcare customers for years and years and years with great outcomes. We have capabilities in home health, although we don't tend to talk about that often. We have a presence in about a dozen cities around the country. We have a variety of other capabilities in terms of remote diagnostics and monitoring. Those are all areas of interest for us, in addition to targeted care delivery and care coordination and care management. We've got some owned care delivery today.

We do not expect to own care delivery, for example, physical primary care at scale in the future, but we are willing to own on a targeted basis. We're looking to make investments in all of those areas in the health services swim lane. Importantly, there's still a tremendous amount of upside for serving our Cigna Healthcare customers today. Our Cigna Healthcare customers tap into those services, and they generate both affordability for our Cigna Healthcare clients and customers, and they generate a profit pool for us. In Evernorth, we have more upside there as we think about Evernorth Health Services and the opportunity to, if you think about traditionally, we talk about cross-selling, but more importantly, it's integrating those back into the Cigna Healthcare experience that our clients and customers have. That'll help with affordability.

We'll drive down net cost for our Cigna Healthcare customers, and it will drive an additional profit pool within Evernorth. Importantly, we don't see that as just serving Cigna Healthcare. We also are looking for those services to serve employers and health plans and government entities within Evernorth that are unaffiliated to Cigna Healthcare, which today the majority of Evernorth's business is not related to Cigna, not related to Cigna Healthcare. We have, call it 80% or so of the Evernorth business is unaffiliated with a Cigna Health Plan relationship. That all represents fertile ground for us to add more and more health services into that employer, that health plan client, that government entity's relationship with Evernorth. We view that as another growth opportunity, which ultimately would drive the high percentage growth rate I was referencing earlier.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Why not own capitated physicians? It feels like that seems to be something that's the hot topic for a lot of companies. Is that more just your commercial focus, and that model resonates more on the Medicare side, or is there something you don't see the value in that? Why not?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

We have been able to drive great alignment to date in the absence of owning significant amounts of care delivery. When I say great alignment, I am talking about alignment with provider groups through a variety of, traditionally, we call them value-based care models. They could be bonus programs or two-sided risk programs. We have also been able to drive alignment, as we were talking about earlier, on the demand side with the employer clients that we serve and also our customers to make sure that whether it is at the point of care in the My Cigna mobile app, we are providing advice and guidance, not just steerage, but advice and guidance on the optimal site of care.

On the employer client side, we are making sure we are helping to consult in terms of what is the right benefit plan design for them, given the unique needs of their employees and their dependents, to drive not only to the right sites of care but also to the right clinical outcomes. We focus end-to-end on alignment, not just on the supply side with the providers, but also on the demand side with our employer clients and our customers to make sure that at the end of the day, we are aligning incentives across the entire ecosystem. We have proven to date that we are able to drive great affordability outcomes without owning care at scale, without capitating physicians at scale, without focusing on risk transfer.

Not that that is a wrong strategy for others, but we are not concentrated on that right now as the primary source of affordability benefit. Importantly, we are open to owning care delivery on a targeted basis, but we are not looking to do that at scale. It has to be geographies where it makes sense or specific situations where we believe the access will otherwise be impaired.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

You have said in the past that home care is an opportunity for you. When you say home care, are you thinking about something similar to what UnitedHealth did with LHCG, like that type of home care, or is there some other kind of overlay of care management or care coordination that you're thinking about when you say home care?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Home care, the way we think about it is in the context of alternate sites of care. We talked about in a variety of settings that alternate sites of care is a mega trend. We anticipate continuing for the next decade plus. As more and more people are looking to utilize virtual services, not only for convenience purposes, but also for chronic conditions, we're seeing more and more appetite for that. Home care fits into this domain of alternate sites of care, the way we think about it. Meaning, instead of having to go into a physician's office for everything, instead of having to go to a hospital for certain services, there are certain procedures that can be done in an in-home setting. We think of it as both physicians and assistants going in and providing care to an individual.

We also think of it as the technology ecosystem that enables alternate sites of care in an end-to-end fashion. We expect more and more longitudinal chronic care will transpire in a virtual or a home setting than what we've seen to date. We've already got some evidence of this with certain conditions that are more ripe for it than others.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

To go back to the point of physicians, you can't get that alignment with that through contracting there. That becomes, why would you need to own that versus contracting? No one has that capability that you want.

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

We don't necessarily need to own it. Just to be clear, we have a home care business today. It's called Alegis Care. We also have partnerships with home care businesses in a number of areas. We don't necessarily need to own that, just to clarify. We see alternate sites of care as a critical part of our strategy in terms of driving affordability, but it does have to be owned.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. I guess you guys have talked about not doing a large transaction. You seem to get run into discussions every so often about that. You're not going to do a large transaction this year. This is a year that you would have been primed to do one with the asset sale, cash coming in. You got really strong cash flow. Interest rates are still low, but they're going up. What was the decision about not making a large transaction this year, leaving the door open for potentially doing one in the future?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Yeah, we communicated at the end of February to Kevin's question here. Our intent for 2022 was not to do any large-scale or transformational M&A. Instead, we will be repurchasing at least $7 billion of shares. When you add that to our dividend, it means we'll return over $8 billion to shareholders in 2022. Importantly, we felt like the market was desiring clarity from Cigna in terms of our intention with all the deployable capital that we had available. That prompted us to make that announcement. We feel great about the existing businesses we have. We've generated EPS growth at or above our targeted range for many, many years. We're committed to 10%- 13% EPS growth going forward. We're going to achieve that in 2022. We achieved that in 2021.

We're confident with our existing businesses in the sense that we don't need to make a large-scale move in the M&A domain. Any larger-scale M&A, we've been pretty clear on, needs to make strategic sense for the company, needs to make financial sense, and needs to have a level of certainty of close in order for us to pursue it. We're willing to consider those types of assets again in the future, but for purposes of 2022, we felt it was important to provide clarity to the market of our intentions.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. When we think about the government part of the business, that's a business you guys have talked about showing strong growth on. You fell short this year as you repositioned that business for margin. How should we think about that business going forward? Should we expect 10%- 15% growth as the right expectation going forward over time or?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

That's Medicare Advantage.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Medicare Advantage.

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Yeah, for our Medicare Advantage business, 2022 was a bit of a reset year. Importantly, to Kevin's question, we needed to see margin expansion relative to what we had generated in 2021 for margins. In 2021, we had pressure from risk adjustment and we had pressure from COVID claims. In 2022, we're on track to generate that margin expansion. We believe 2023 will be a return to growth in the Medicare business. Our bids are due a little less than a month from now. We're in the final stages of determining geography by geography how we want to position ourselves for growth. We would expect 2023 to be a growth year for the MA business again. Over the longer term, we'd expect this to become a bigger portion of the portfolio as Medicare continues to grow.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Maybe the last round of questions would be on the commercial business. I think in a lot of people's minds, commercial is not a growth business, and that's kind of been one of the concerns with the company. The company has been able to grow commercial on average over time pretty consistently. That kind of means you have to continue to gain market share. How do you feel about the positioning and the opportunity to continue to grow market share over the next five plus years?

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Yeah, within commercial, if you think about the overall market, you've got about 150 million lives, give or take, depending on what time period you measure. We don't expect that to grow meaningfully in the future. There might be some level of growth in that number, but we don't expect it to grow by multiple percentage points per year or anything along the lines of that. We align with that part of the thesis in terms of the market itself will likely not grow at an outsized rate. With that said, we've proven over time that we can grow lives faster than the market. We can expand services on our existing clients when you think about pharmacy, behavioral, stop loss, dental, and all the other capabilities we have.

On top of that, to the extent that medical inflation continues to be in the single-digit percentage range, that gives some revenue tailwind as well to the overall commercial business. Those three things contribute to a rate of growth in commercial that might be above what some others are able to do. To your point on the growth in the lives, importantly, you have to subsegment our commercial book. Our national accounts business and the higher end of the middle market, we have pretty high market share, and I wouldn't expect those market shares to necessarily increase meaningfully from where they are. That's a bit more of a hold serve subsegment, the national business and the upper end of the middle market. Under 500 employers, what we call the select segment, we have single-digit market share in the 100 -5 00 space. We call this the select segment.

In the 51- 100 space, we have low single-digit market share. Both of those represent continued opportunities for growth for us, especially as we continue our energy around affordability efforts, where oftentimes we're moving from a position where we had a cost structure that was uncompetitive in a local geography to one that's suddenly competitive. That's allowed us to win more and more business in targeted geographies in the select segment at 51- 500. That's where you should expect to see a bit more growth in the lives as opposed to the national and the upper end of the middle market.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

All right, excellent. I think that's all we have time for. Thank you very much.

Brian Evanko
CFO, The Cigna Group

Thank you, Kevin.

Kevin Fischbeck
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

All right.

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