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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Oct 28, 2021

Operator

Good morning, good afternoon all. My name is Adam, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Diebold Nixdorf third quarter 2021 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw, please press star two. Ms. Marchuska, you may begin your conference.

Christine Marchuska
VP of Investor Relations, Diebold Nixdorf

Great. Thank you, Adam. Hello everyone, welcome to our third quarter 2021 earnings call. I'm Christine Marchuska, Vice President of Investor Relations for Diebold Nixdorf. On the call with me today, Gerrard Schmid, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jeff Rutherford, Chief Financial Officer. To accompany our prepared remarks, we have posted our press release and earnings presentation to the investor relations section of our corporate website. Later this morning, we will post a replay of this webcast.

Before we begin, I will remind all participants that during this call you will hear forward-looking statements, including the guidance we will be providing for full year 2021. These statements reflect the expectations and beliefs of our management team as of the time of this call, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements.

Additional information on these factors can be found in the company's periodic and annual filings with the SEC. Participants should be mindful that subsequent events may render this information to be out of date. We will also be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures on today's call. A reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP measures can be found in the supplemental schedules of our earnings presentation slides, as well as in the tables of today's earnings release. Now I'll hand the call over to Gerrard.

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Thank you, Christine, and welcome to the team. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our third quarter 2021 earnings call. I am pleased to say that customer demand for our solutions remained robust in Q3 despite supply chain constraints, logistics, and inflationary headwinds. I'm encouraged by the support of our customers and the innovative spirit of our workforce as we navigate ongoing supply chain challenges. Most of all, I'm encouraged by how our company is positioned to offer solutions and growth opportunities for our customers who are addressing rapidly changing consumer demands and difficult competitive landscapes.

More than ever, consumers are not only embracing but expecting self-service solutions, whether it's at a bank, grocery store, or retailer. More than ever, we are committed to helping our customers deliver more digital, flexible, and effective customer journeys. In banking, consumer preferences are shifting away from the traditional teller window towards ATMs with more omnichannel functionality. At the same time, banks are looking for more self-service options to meet consumer needs with fewer tellers and fewer branch locations.

This ongoing shift towards reducing their branch footprint and optimizing their real estate is crucial. Our ATMs are helping our banking customers to continue providing the same level of customer service, including customer outreach through marketing, while at the same time making better use of their available space. In retail, the pandemic resulted in more focused shopping experiences and growth in e-commerce, while at the same time, as cited by recent studies, 75% or more of consumer purchases globally are still happening in the physical store.

It's important to understand, however, that while consumers prefer physical shopping, they also prefer lower touch options during the purchase process. Our self-checkout offerings create a safe, convenient, and low-friction shopping experience, providing theft protection, produce scanning, and market-leading camera technology to assist in age-restricted purchases. In short, what we're seeing is that consumers and retailers alike are embracing self-checkouts. According to RBR, the self-checkout install base will reach nearly 1.6 million terminals by 2026, almost tripling the global install base as of the end of 2020.

Indeed, we believe automation provides much needed cost efficiencies for the retailer and a more efficient shopping experience for the consumer at the last mile of the store. We believe the accelerating demand for self-service and automation signals a structural change to the way business will be done going forward and gives us a long runway of opportunity. I'd like to now provide remarks around our third quarter performance.

Although demand remained strong in Q3, fulfillment of product orders shifted from Q3- Q4 and from Q4 to 2022 as we continue to work through supply constraints and logistics challenges. Our order entry continues to exceed our original models, and our backlog increased approximately 19% versus the same period last year. Revenue for the quarter was down 4% as a portion of revenue has shifted out to future quarters due to the temporary supply constraints and logistics challenges we're currently facing.

Our retail segment continues to perform well with growth in revenue of 10% as compared to third quarter 2020. Moving on to our business highlights, starting with banking. Momentum for our DN Series ATMs continued in Q3 as a growing percentage of our total orders were for these next-generation DN devices, and we see this trend continuing based on our orders for Q4 and early 2022. The DN Series is now live and fully certified in over 60 countries globally, contributing to our market expansion in the space. I'd like to highlight some notable DN Series wins for the third quarter.

We secured a contract for over $12 million with Banco Azteca in Mexico, including our DN Series cash recyclers, a new service contract, and software licenses expanding across 500 branches. With this win, over 75% of Banco Azteca's fleet is now composed of DN devices. In Greece, we displaced a competitor and doubled our presence at Piraeus Bank. Approximately 200 branches and 40 off-premise locations will be equipped with our modern technology, including our DN Series cash recyclers.

Introduction of cash recycling is a significant change for this market, which had not previously had recycling capabilities by branch ATMs. We earned this win based on the higher mechanical reliability of our hardware, the higher capacity of our ATMs, and our greener, more environmentally sustainable profile. This win also includes a five-year maintenance coverage contract. Lastly, we built a competitive win with Standard Chartered Bank Malaysia, upgrading all of their legacy devices to our DN Series, increasing their fleet to consist of 100% DN Series ATMs.

We continue to see growth in demand for our DN AllConnect Data Engine, with the number of connected ATMs increasing approximately 23% sequentially in Q3 2021. This is a significant milestone for us, as more than 100,000 banking self-service devices are connected to this solution, which leverages real-time Internet of Things connections from our deployed devices and has consistently reduced customer downtime by as much as 50%, resulting in greater than 99% uptime.

This drives multiple business benefits, such as higher end user satisfaction, lower total cost of ownership, and increased operational efficiencies. I'm proud to share that we also were awarded Technology & Services Industry Association's 2021 STAR Award for best practices in the delivery of field services for our AllConnect Data Engine. We believe that demand for our differentiated market-leading solutions that meet the needs of today's consumer will remain solid. This is especially evident in our robust pipeline, our healthy backlog, the win successes of our sales team in Q3, and the growth in our AllConnect Data Engine.

Moving on to our retail business. We continue to see strong demand for our self-checkout products as retailers look to Diebold Nixdorf for comprehensive solutions that provide favorable consumer experiences and cost efficiency as they face staffing challenges and tough performance comparisons. We secured a competitive takeaway with an Italian retailer who replaced a competitor's devices with our DN Series self-checkout solutions, along with our full self-checkout suite and other offerings from our retailer solution portfolio.

We also expanded an important customer relationship with a large multi-country retailer in Europe, which included a competitive takeaway with store devices. This win secures a strategic rollout of self-checkout devices, beginning with two stores before expanding to 300 stores in 13 countries, and an eventual full rollout of 2,500 stores in 15 countries over the span of two to three years. Additionally, this retailer signed a three-year services and maintenance contract. We are well-positioned for growth in retail services.

In the third quarter, we won a contract renewal with a large global petrol convenience store for their Malaysia sites. This was a significant renewal, totaling over $16 million for our systems and services, including point-of-sale, helpdesk support, software, and other solutions. Overall, we feel confident in the strength of our retail business as our large global retail customers have reconfirmed their commitment to their store formats. While some retailers are considering fewer locations, they all remain focused on increasing the level of automation and technology investment per store.

Additionally, in 2021, we've seen growth in the absolute number of our self-checkout devices on a year-on-year basis, and we anticipate that our retail business will end the year above our pre-pandemic levels witnessed in 2019. Our core portfolio continues to benefit from the industry trends I discussed earlier around consumers' desire for more self-service options in banking and retail, resulting in our customers' needs for more automation and greater cost efficiencies.

It also lends itself to layering on additional offerings with large addressable markets, such as managed services, software, our Vynamic Payments platform, and other adjacencies that provide a trajectory for sustainable growth for the future of our business. We are particularly proud of the progress we've made with our retail and banking customers. We recently received the results from our annual customer satisfaction survey, and I'm delighted that our customers are awarding us some of the highest levels of Net Promoter Scores we've seen, reinforcing what has now been a multi-year trend of improving results.

Turning now to our growth initiatives. In managed services, we continue to move forward on securing more new business and remain in productive discussions with multiple financial institutions. We also see a promising pipeline for managed services in 2022. In Q3 in North America, we were awarded a large managed services agreement with a Tier 1 financial institution, including a large order of DN Series ATMs. We continue to scale our debit and credit platforms with our Vynamic Payments offering at a top 10 global bank across more than 17,000 ATMs.

As we continue to implement and scale our existing customers on our payments platform, our go-to-market team is growing a strong qualified sales pipeline for 2022. Additionally, I'm pleased to announce our entry into a new horizontal, electric vehicle charging stations. This is a natural fit for our services business with our global network of 8,000 experienced service technicians and the similarities between ATMs and EV charging stations. There are an estimated one and a half to 2 million public charging stations needed in the United States and Europe by 2025.

This is approximately an increase of over 200% from roughly 500,000 charging stations today, split between about 300,000 in Europe and 200,000 in the U.S. We are currently in discussions with the top EV charging station hardware companies and have already secured contracts for our solution with some of the key players in this space. This is a promising and rapidly growing market. We look forward to sharing more on this new offering in future quarters. Now, turning to another important area of our business, sustainability.

Not only do we focus on attaining sustainable growth for our shareholders, we also focus on environmental sustainability of our facilities, practices, and processes. I'm proud to say that we were recently awarded Germany's Best Energy Scouts 2021, a German government initiative that encourages energy-saving opportunities. We installed a green roof constructed of regional grasses to improve energy savings at our Paderborn facility. Additionally, we included a solar panel system and added 36 charging ports for cars and e-bikes in parking areas.

We consistently are working on initiatives that drive sustainable programs with the goal to have no adverse effects on public health or the communities where we operate. We look to upgrade our other facilities around the globe in sustainable green ways as part of our focus on our Environmental, Social, and Governance commitments. Looking ahead to Q4, we remain confident in our market leadership and ability to close out the year strong on a year-over-year basis. As of today, our orders are 100% confirmed with customers committed to our products.

We see negligible risk of lost sales with strong strength in demand for our Americas Banking and retail business segments. Additionally, in Q4 for our banking segment, we are starting the quarter with a backlog of approximately $205 million higher than at the beginning of Q4 2020. Specifically for Americas Banking, we are seeing over a 50% increase in our backlog as we enter the fourth quarter of 2021 as compared to the same time last year. We're working with all of our customers on a continuous basis to fulfill the high level of orders we're receiving on a timely basis.

As part of this focus, we have taken steps to increase our stock of key components as well as pre-book vessels further in advance to accelerate revenue conversion from our backlog. Furthermore, on a year-over-year basis, our outlook remains robust as our confirmed orders for the first half of 2022 are above the levels for the first half of 2021 as of the same time last year. This forward-looking indicator affirms the demand we continue to receive from our growing customer base.

While we continue to see significant opportunity in the market and in our ability to meet our customers' needs, we, like many global companies, are navigating inflationary pressures and supply chain logistics that continue to impact our business. As I discussed earlier, delays in delivery or in delivery of our products will cause some revenue to shift to future quarters. We are revising our guidance for year-end 2021. I believe it is important to note that we see Q3 broadly as a peak inflection point in supply chain disruptions. Our visibility into semiconductor chip markets has increased meaningfully, providing us with a line of sight to many of the chip providers through the first half of 2022.

Additionally, we have deployed other strategic tactics internally, such as shifting our production capacity, which will ease some of the dependencies we've previously had on logistics and shipping. I'm extremely proud of the work of our DN team to mitigate these issues. Before I turn the call over to Jeff to discuss the financial results around our performance and outlook, let me close by reinforcing my optimism around the robust demand we're experiencing for our solutions for the remainder of 2021 and the upcoming year while supply chain improvements take hold.

We are squarely positioned to meet the needs of our customers and expand our base of banks and retailers as consumers continue to demand more access, more convenience, and more innovation through automation and self-service. Although supply chain challenges have led to a temporary pullback in performance, it's important to understand that we are doing everything possible to mitigate these challenges, and delivering for our customers remains a top priority. Thank you. At this time, I'd like to turn it over to Jeff.

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Thank you, Gerrard, and good morning, everyone. My prepared remarks will include references to certain non-GAAP metrics, such as gross profit, gross margin, and adjusted EBITDA. Total revenue for the third quarter of 2021 was $958 million, a decrease over third quarter 2020 of approximately 4% as reported, and a decrease of 5% excluding foreign currency benefit of $16 million and an $8 million impact from divested businesses. Adjusted for foreign currency and divestitures, product revenue decreased 3%, services revenue decreased 6%, and software revenue decreased 3% compared to Q3 2020.

During the quarter, approximately $90 million of revenue was delayed due to extended transport times and inbound technology component delays. This primarily impacted the U.S., Latin America, and certain APAC countries, and reduced total revenue by approximately 900 basis points. On a sequential basis, total revenue increased approximately 2%. Non-GAAP gross profit for the third quarter was $263 million, or a decrease of approximately $22 million versus the prior year period on lower gross margins of 27.4%.

The deferral of revenue and non-billable inflation resulted in a reduction to third quarter gross margin of approximately $33 million. Service margins increased 40 basis points versus the prior year period and were in line with our expectations. Product gross margins were down approximately 180 basis points versus the prior year period, primarily due to $10 million as a result of inflationary pressures in supply chain logistics, partially offset by a favorable DN Series versus legacy ATM and geographic customer mix.

Software gross margins declined 500 basis points versus the prior year period. Excluding the impact of a prior year cost benefit of approximately $5 million that did not recur in 2021, software gross margins were down approximately 40 basis points due to unfavorable mix. Operating expense of $182 million for the quarter decreased approximately $14 million versus the prior year period and decreased $17 million sequentially. When compared with prior year, key variances include reductions in variable compensation, partially offset by unfavorable FX and investment in growth projects.

When compared with our second quarter, operating expense decreased due to reductions in variable compensation. The net result was operating profit of $81 million and operating margin of 8.5% in the quarter. The same trends drove adjusted EBITDA of $103 million and adjusted EBITDA margin of 10.7% in the quarter. Now I will discuss our segment highlights. The Eurasia Banking revenue of $323 million decreased approximately 11% versus the prior period and 12% after adjusting for foreign currency benefit of $7 million and a $3 million impact from divestitures.

Lower revenue was primarily due to supply chain delays impacting timing of deliveries and installations of products, with collateral impact to services and software revenue, plus the termination of expired service contracts. As expected, following a strong order entry in Q2 with several non-recurring large orders in the prior year, segment product order growth decreased 35%. We are forecasting a strong order entry in Q4. Gross profit for the segment decreased to $98 million year-over-year and included favorable foreign currency benefits of $4 million and an unfavorable divestiture impact of $1 million.

Gross margin of 30.3% was down 50 basis points. The decrease was primarily due to inflationary pressures offset by our focus on cost management. Americas Banking revenue decreased $22 million or approximately 6% to $347 million, primarily due to declines in software and services revenue due to the negative collateral impact of unfavorable geographic mix of installations from North America to Latin America. Americas Banking continues to be disproportionately affected due to the location of our customers and our primary manufacturing facilities for DN Series ATMs, which are located in Europe and Asia.

We are working on mitigation strategies in our Americas manufacturing operations to assist in manufacturing certain of the higher value cash recycling DN Series ATMs. Backlog in Americas Banking grew 54% year-over-year as product order growth saw another solid quarter and increased approximately 23% versus the prior year, led by market share gains by our DN Series ATMs. Segment Gross profit of $86 million was down $17 million due to lower revenues. Gross margin percent declined due to the impact of supply chain inflation and unfavorable geographic mix, as I previously noted.

Our Retail segment had another quarter of strong performance. Retail revenue of $288 million increased 10% year-over-year, as reported, and 8% after adjusting for $6 million currency benefit and divestiture impact of $2 million. Demand for our point-of-sale and self-checkout continued to increase versus the prior year period, with product order growth of approximately 23%. Retail gross profit increased 15% to $79 million, driven by revenue growth. Gross margin expanded by 110 basis points directly attributable to growth in self-checkout revenue. As we continue to look to optimize our portfolio and focus our core business segments.

We made the decision to enter a share purchase agreement to sell our reverse vending business with an approximate deal close date targeted for year-end. This business is less than 2% of our total annual retail revenues and no longer was a strategic fit for the segment going forward. Turning to our capital structure metrics. Unlevered free cash flow used in the quarter increased $121 million versus the prior year, primarily due to increases in inventory, which are necessary to support both Q4 production and delivery targets, as well as increases in critical components for 2022 orders.

The company ended the quarter with $325 million of total liquidity, including $230 million of cash and short-term investments. The company's cash balance as of September 30th reflects increased inventory levels and interest payments made during the quarter. At the end of the quarter, the company's leverage ratio was 5.4x , which continues to be below our covenant maximum of 6x . In our presentation, we updated our gross debt levels as of September 30th. Turning to our updated outlook for 2021.

We are revising our revenue range to $3.9 billion-$3.95 billion, which reflects approximately $120 million in revenue deferral from 2021 - 2022 due to the current supply chain challenges. Accordingly, we are revising our adjusted EBITDA outlook by approximately $40 million to a range of $415 million-$435 million, taking into account the gross margin associated with the aforementioned revenue deferral and an incremental $20 million of supply chain-related inflation over previous estimates. The total estimated impact of supply chain-related inflation is now approximately $45 million.

Our free cash flow outlook is now $80 million-$100 million, reflecting our revised EBITDA outlook and the net incremental working capital timing impact of the revenue deferral. I will now hand the call back to the operator for our Q&A session. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad now. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Our first question today is from Matt Summerville of D.A. Davidson. Matt, please go ahead.

Matt Summerville
Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Thanks. A couple questions. First, Jeff, with respect to the cash flow outlook for the full year, I'm just using round numbers, but your guidance is basically assuming you generate $400 million in the fourth quarter. In my long history of covering the company, I don't think Diebold has ever turned in a number anywhere near that. Help me walk through, help me get comfortable with how you're going to accomplish that this year?

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Yeah. That's a good question, Matt. As you can imagine, it all primarily comes from working capital. Everything else is fairly fixed in our direct cash flow model. Here's what we need to happen in order to achieve that. We need accounts payable DPOs in the mid-70s, and we need revenue DSOs in the mid to low 50s. That's what's going to drive fourth quarter free cash flow, especially based on where we're at today. Based on a DPO number of around 75, what happens after 75 days in a DSO of approximately, let's say, 55 days?

What happens, revenue recognition after November 15th impacts next year's free cash flow. Inventory purchasing as of probably today impacts next year's free cash flow. To make that number, we need DSOs to drop to the mid-50s. They're in the low 60s now. We need DPO to increase to the numbers I referenced and that's about a five-day increase from where we're at right now. There's a path to get there. Now it requires execution.

Matt Summerville
Analyst, D.A. Davidson

With respect to the pressures you've seen in the P&L this year and the roughly $75 million EBITDA takedown from where you were to where you are now, at the beginning of the year to where you are right now. Should we be thinking about any of this stuff becoming more of a permanent part of Diebold's cost structure? Really the genesis of my question is, does anything you're experiencing now impact the 2023 targets you've put out there several times now? Thank you.

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Yeah, it's going to impact 2023 targets. We're not confirming those until we provide guidance for 2022 and 2023. We're still working through all the modeling impacts. Here's what I would say. If you look at what we've experienced year to date, which if you go back and you add up the numbers from the prior quarter and this quarter, you're going to see that it's around $29 impact in operating margin from inflation. To date, that is all logistics costs. What's changed for us as we move into the fourth quarter is we're going to experience not only the logistics increase, but raw material and source component parts increases.

The $25 million, $26 million we're going to experience in the fourth quarter is still approximately $14 million is the logistics. The rest is component parts inflation. Portions of that inflation are going to get caught up in the inventory, both logistics and raw materials, and going to carry into 2022. We anticipate that we're not going to see any lessening of logistics supply chain constraints, and we've talked about it, until probably the second half of next year. That's going to drag some costs into the third quarter as inventory turns.

This is going to affect 2022, and we need to look at that from a pricing perspective and what we can do from a pricing perspective. Then we need to measure, and we are measuring, what the reductions are, especially in outbound and inbound logistics and when it's going to impact the model post the normalization of supply chain.

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Matt, let me build on that if I may as well, to give you some additional color. When we made some comments in our prepared remarks that we saw Q3 as a peak inflection point, and I just wanted to add some more substance around that. Moving through Q2, we started to see an extreme tightening of visibility to critical components like semiconductor chips. As we went through Q3, that visibility has improved substantially, and our safety stock and our access to semiconductor chips is now well through the first half of 2022. We're feeling like we've moved over the hump as it relates to access to semiconductor chips.

However, the spot price that we were paying for raw materials in Q3 flows through to our Q4 P&L as we recognize revenue on those ATMs. The timing effect will be felt most notably in Q4. As we take a look at forward spot prices for various raw materials, whether it's steel, resin, semiconductor chips, there's already evidence of it starting to peak and starting to subside somewhat. We don't see those raw material costs as being structurally permanent in our model. As Jeff said, I think there'll be some lumpiness as we move through 2022, but we do see those abating.

As Jeff rightfully said, the other key driver of inflation right now for us are the logistics pieces. We think that that's still going to be a factor in the first half of 2022. We've also taken other actions to mitigate the impact of inflation. Jeff referenced that we're building up our manufacturing capacity in the U.S. That will certainly ease some of the pressure we've seen from a logistics cost perspective as we need to rely less on shipping from Europe to the Americas. Second of all, we've been moving pretty decisively from a pricing perspective across products, services, and software.

Obviously there's a tiny lag as we're still building product that were priced in prior quarters, but we're seeing some pretty good traction with those pricing initiatives take hold. While we're not going to give guidance right now, I think there's a number of mitigating factors that are in play that will impact 2022.

Matt Summerville
Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Got it. Thank you, guys. I'll give it back to you.

Operator

Our next question is from Kartik Mehta from Northcoast Research. Kartik, please go ahead.

Kartik Mehta
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Thank you. Jeff, just to continue our conversation about free cash flow and as you look out to 2022, how do you think this impacts your ability to refinance some of the debt that you had spoken about before?

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Yeah. The variable is reaction to our performance and what the market's doing, right? We continually monitor that. We'll still have opportunity. We're going to be measuring as we move forward what the potential pricing could be. Now remember, we have a no-call provision in our secured notes that really makes it more attractive to refinance as you approach mid 2022. I would say there is no maturity gun to our head relative to refinancing. The immediacy is relative to the cost of the debts and particularly the secured notes.

Our performance and the impact of what's going on in the global supply chain are another piece of the algorithm relative to when we should refinance. We will continue to monitor even as soon as this afternoon what the impact is on our debt trading and with our advisors work between now and mid 2022 relative to refinancing. Again, and I've said this and I'll continue to say this, there is a point in time where it's going to make sense for us to refinance between now and I would say the third quarter of 2022. Again, that no-call provision expires in July of 2022.

That'll continue. This will just become part of the algorithm. We're going to still generate cash flow. When we get to guidance, we'll be generating free cash flow in 2022. I'm not giving you the number today, but there'll be free cash flow generation in 2022. There'll be growth in revenue. I don't believe it prevents us from refinancing. The question's going to be what's the impact on the cost?

Kartik Mehta
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Right. Then Gerrard, just all these supply chain issues, is there any risk of losing orders where maybe your customers say, Hey, it's taking too long, we'll just wait it out until things get better?

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Kartik, we're not seeing any evidence of that of any material note whatsoever. Clearly, we're not alone. This is a global issue facing every company. We're in active dialogue with our customers. Quite frankly, this is why I made reference to our Net Promoter Score customer satisfaction levels, they're at all-time highs. If customers were frustrated or wanted to go somewhere else, we would've seen evidence of that in our NPS scores. We're not seeing evidence of it there, nor are we seeing it in any material change to our order entry.

As I said in my prepared remarks, Kartik, our order entry is tracking higher than our original plan when we went into 2021. We're feeling very good that our product and our value proposition is holding up well. Our customers, we continue to work very closely with them to get them what they need. In some cases, we're using expedited shipping, that's obviously exceptionally expensive, but in some cases we're relying on that where we need to. We don't see that as a material risk whatsoever.

Kartik Mehta
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Thank you. For both of you.

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Chung of JPMorgan. Paul, please go ahead.

Paul Chung
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just to follow up on free cash flow in 4Q, given such a material amount, is there potential for some to spill into 2022? How does such a large cash harvest in Q4 impact 2022 seasonality of cash flows? Are you in a good place on inventories, given the elevated investments, so maybe less of a drag in first half of 2022?

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Yeah. If you do something in 2021, obviously cash flow is fungible, it's going to affect future cash flow events. What we are doing is we're doing our jobs relative to collections. And we have a very good customer base, and they respond well to our request for payment. That's what we're counting on. On the accounts payable side, it's a matter of we control the disbursement of cash and we do that throughout the year. We let our foot off the gas at the end of last year, so we won't do that this year. It's within our ability to generate that level of cash.

Based on your revenues and your purchasing, there's only so much cash that can be generated. That's basically what EBITDA is meant to represent. If you bring it forward, it's not available for next year. I will say this, we are pushing $120 million of revenue out of 2021 into 2022. The revenue from basically two weeks from today will move into collections in 2022. We will see an increase of collections in the 2022 model from the deferred revenue that we talked about today.

We also anticipate that we will not have the high level of inventory that we have today because we are unfavorable relative to our own modeling relative to inventory, because we're carrying higher inventory. Basically, we're building the inventory on the $120 million of deferred revenue, but we're not recognizing the revenue, so we're holding the inventory. All that in effect is we're working on the cash flow effect on 2022. The one thing I will remind everybody is $50 million of restructuring payments will go away after 2021. We will pick that up.

The potential benefit in refinancing, we wouldn't get it all in 2022 based on current markets, and that's what I talked to Kartik about, is approximately 200 basis points on something over $2 billion at that. There are positives for free cash flow coming in 2022. Again, we're not going to provide guidance today, but I will say that there's nothing fundamental wrong with the cash flow model of the company.

This is a transitory bump caused by supply chain inefficiencies and if you look at what's happening and you take the numbers, and I probably didn't do a real good job of describing it, but of our $45 million impact in 2021, $32 million of that is outbound logistics. There's $12 million of inbound purchasing inflation. There's a significant amount of that when you take semiconductor chips out of the equation. There's a significant amount of that is inbound logistics from our suppliers. They have the same issue we have.

When the supply chain issues are mitigated, and we think it's going to be post second quarter next year, expectations are that we're going to see some relief in these logistics costs. There's probably a new normal in there somewhere, but it certainly isn't at the levels that we're experiencing with logistics today. It's not sustainable. Obviously capacity would expand if it kept at that level because investment would make sense. That's my opinion, Paul.

Paul Chung
Analyst, JPMorgan

Got you. As we think about service contracts next year, can we expect to see some uniform signings over the course of the year instead of in 4Q, at least in terms of cash, somewhat de-risking seasonality 4Q cash flow, kind of what your near peer is doing?

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

You're saying relative to contract-based billing? Our model and their model isn't that different. It's all based on install base. Right? They have moved certain revenue to other services, mainly other software, which is good for them from a free cash flow basis. I think they've done a nice job of free cash flow. I would say this, what we need to happen is to grow services and software like they have, and that'll level out the lumpiness of free cash flow. Our free cash flow can be lumpy around installations of equipment.

Paul Chung
Analyst, JPMorgan

Got you.

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Paul, let me build on that. I introduced to the investor community the work that we're doing around EV charging stations, and I got to tell you we're very energized by that because it has very similar attributes to servicing ATMs, both from a technological skill perspective and the effort it would take for us to cross-train our ATM technicians, plus the density and absolute number of units that are out there.

We anticipate that while this market's still early, that we'll start to see a services business build with a ideally comparable margin profile to what we see in the ATM business. We think that will go some ways as well towards what you've been talking about. Obviously, it takes time to build, but that's what we're looking at doing

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Paul, operator, you guys there?

Paul Chung
Analyst, JPMorgan

Oh, I think he got cut off. Hello?

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

I can hear you, Paul.

Paul Chung
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, you were talking about the EV charging. I guess the follow-up question. I got a bit of that commentary. How competitive is that service market? Are the service contracts kind of recurring and longer term? Can you give us a sense of the revenue potential per contract or even per charging unit would be helpful and margin profile. Thank you.

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Yeah. Paul, the first thing I'd say is this is a new market, right? Compared to what you would see in our more mature businesses. What I will tell you, currently it's a highly fragmented landscape. Currently we would be one of the larger scale-based players. We like those attributes. The revenue per unit is a little bit lower, but not materially compared to what we would see in servicing an ATM. We believe the margin profile will be comparable to what we've seen in our ATM business.

Paul Chung
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Justin Bergner from Gabelli Funds. Justin, please go ahead.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Good morning, Gerrard. Good morning, Jeff.

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Justin. Hey, Justin.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

First question, I just wanted to confirm sort of the guidance changes from the second quarter. You've taken up your non-billable cost number from $25 million - $45 million, the entire revenue deferral, that $120 million, the drop through, which I guess seems to be on the order of $15 million. That revenue deferral was not expected in your earlier second quarter guide. Is that?

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Yeah. If you remember our previous guide was 4-4.1. The movement of $120 million dropped us down to that 3.9-3.95 range. You can probably backward engineer what the number was previously.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Okay. On the cash flow, the decline in free cash flow guide, the $40 million lower, I guess matches the $40 million lower EBITDA. It would seem like you would have some extra inventory needs associated with critical component stock and the like. I guess I'm somewhat surprised that the free cash flow guide is not coming down more than the adjusted EBITDA guide. Can you help me understand that? Are there positive offsets to keep those two adjustments sort of in line?

Jeff Rutherford
CFO, Diebold Nixdorf

Yeah. Let me tell you, the key to that cash flow number is that we don't have disruptions in revenue recognition for the next two weeks. If we have revenue recognition, which means we're billing customers for deliveries over the next two weeks, then we're going to have a push for collection. If you look at that from a direct perspective, that's key to the cash collections we'll make from our customers over the next two months. Once you get past that date, it becomes increasingly difficult to get collections because it's not due.

We modeled that out. We feel strongly that the inventory build post today does not affect cash flow because it's leveraged with accounts payable. We will have inventory that's going to be higher. You're going to see a higher inventory level, but you're also going to see a higher accounts payable, so a lower owned inventory. This is about managing collections from now on on cash flow. Managing collections, managing disbursements. We have the processes in place to do that. Yes, it is a big number. We're taking on that challenge and we believe we have a clear path to do it.

We also have clear visibility to other spend relative to capital spending, R&D, R&D capitalization, and we have a clear model to execute, and now it's up to us to execute to that model.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Okay, great. That's helpful. Lastly, on the retail side, is retail actually tracking better than your view coming into this year? Are there any margin headwinds of note on the retail side from some of these supply chain issues that are preventing sort of the margin performance from being even better than what it was in the third quarter?

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Justin, it's Gerrard. I'll take that one. On the retail side, we are performing well, and we're performing. Yeah, modestly better than our plan for 2021. We think we have a very competitive self-checkout solution. As industry demand for self-checkout grows, we think we're very well-positioned to benefit from that for the next several quarters. Most of Jeff's comments from an inflationary perspective revolve around banking, primarily because of where our customers are based versus where our manufacturing facilities are based.

At retail, we have some exposure there, but it's nowhere near as material because as you recall, most of our retail business is European centric, and that's where we have some of our major manufacturing facilities. Therefore, we have the benefit of using car, truck, rail, and other non-shipping based forms of logistics. There is some pressure there, but it's nowhere near as notable as it is in banking.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Great. Thank Thank you for taking my questions.

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Welcome.

Operator

As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, it's star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question is from Marla Backer from Sidoti. Marla, please go ahead.

Marla Backer
Analyst, Sidoti

Thank you. I have two questions. One is a follow-up to something you said a little bit earlier where you noted that the logistics challenges are impacting everyone across the board. That said, you specifically were addressing the prospect of losing orders as a result of what's going on. Are there any instances in which you see the possibility of potentially accelerating market share gains because you're better positioned for delivery near term?

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Let me make a couple comments on that, Marla. I will reinforce again that we see negligible risk to losing any contracts. We're just not seeing evidence of that. As it relates to winning incremental market share, hopefully it's become evident over the past few quarters that we believe we're exceptionally well-positioned with our product differentiation, especially around DN Series ATMs. We're very confident that we're gaining market share at the expense of others on that front, which ultimately supports our goal of building our services contract base over time.

Do we necessarily think that this supply chain disruption will give us a chance to accelerate market share gains? Quite frankly, I don't know that at this stage. I think we'd have to see what happens over the next several quarters. What I will say is I think we have a very good handle on our visibility to the supply chain access to raw materials over the next several quarters, especially around semiconductor chips, which seem to have been structurally some of the most difficult pain points in the supply chain disruption.

While I can't comment on how others are managing that situation, we're feeling very confident that we've got that one almost in hand.

Marla Backer
Analyst, Sidoti

Okay, thanks. One other question, which is on the EV charging station initiative. Since this is an emerging area, do you see any potential opportunities to perhaps cross-sell in this market? Are there any large retailers, let's say, that would install charging stations as an add-on, which would give you some bundling opportunities?

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Yeah, that's a great question, Marla. I can tell you that when I made the comment that we're in discussions with multiple EV providers, that includes a number of our multinational retailers that see EV charging as a way to enhance their own consumer journeys and drive more idle time at their sites and hopefully drive up the size of their baskets. There's no doubt that there's a strong intersection between retail sector and EV charging. It's not an exclusive overlap.

There are other independent plays outside of retail we're looking at, we do think there's some interesting cross-sell opportunities, which is why our retail colleagues are working closely with us on this initiative as well.

Marla Backer
Analyst, Sidoti

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's Q&A session. I will now turn the call back over to Gerrard Schmid, CEO of Diebold Nixdorf, for some closing comments.

Gerrard Schmid
CEO, Diebold Nixdorf

Thanks, Adam, and thank you to everyone who joined us for today's call. We're pleased with the continued demand we're seeing for our products and solutions as we continue to be a market leader in the bank and retail automation industry. We look forward to the upcoming quarters and moving through the supply chain and inflationary challenges as we drive growth across our core businesses with products, software, and services into new areas like payments and EV charging.

We look forward to talking with all of you at upcoming conferences and at our next earnings release. In the interim, please do not hesitate to reach out to investor relations if you have additional questions. This brings the call to end. Thank you everyone.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines.