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Earnings Call: Q1 2023

May 11, 2023

Operator

Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the National Vision Holdings Q1 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one, one again. At the company's request, you may ask one question and one follow-up. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Caitlin Churchill of investor relations. Please go ahead.

Caitlin Churchill
Investor Relations, National Vision

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to National Vision's Q1 2023 earnings call. Joining me on the call today are Reade Fahs, CEO, and Melissa Rasmussen, CFO. Patrick Moore, COO, is also with us and will be available during the Q&A portion of the call. Our earnings release issued this morning and the presentation, which will be referenced during the call, are both available on the Investors section of our website, nationalvision.com. A replay of the audio webcast will be archived on the Investors page after the call. Before we begin, let me remind you that our earnings materials and today's presentation include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations and projections.

These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, the factors identified in the release and our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The release and today's presentation also include certain non-GAAP measures. Reconciliation of these measures is included in our release and the supplemental presentation. We also would like to draw your attention to slide two in today's presentation for additional information about forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures. As a reminder, National Vision provides investor presentations and supplemental materials for investor reference on the Investor section of our website. Now, let me turn the call over to Reade.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Thank you, Caitlin. Good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us today. Since we last spoke to you in March, we continue to execute our initiatives focused on adapting to the new realities of the post-pandemic marketplace that we believe will position us to deliver improved sales and profitability while staying true to our mission to make eye care and eyewear more affordable for all. Before I review our progress on these initiatives, let me review highlights from Q1 performance. Beginning on slide four, Q1 came in slightly above expectations with a year-over-year increase in net revenue of 6.6% and Adjusted Comparable Store Sales growth of 0.8% compared to Q1 2022. This translated into Adjusted EPS of $0.31 for the period.

Overall, the quarter reflected a similar sales mix to what we saw in Q4 within an even stronger performance from our managed care business. Our managed care business is less pressured by inflation since the insurance company pays most of the customer's bill. Managed care business is typically strongest in the Q4 as insured customers are using benefits before they expire and in the Q1 due to benefit plan reset timing. In addition, during the quarter, we continued to see a greater shift in the number of higher income customers who traded into our more value-priced offerings, as tends to happen in a tough economy. These two trends helped mitigate the sales impact of inflation on our core budget-conscious, uninsured customers, as well as the impact from continued exam capacity constraints. Turning now to slide five and the progress we're making against our key initiatives.

As we discussed last quarter, National Vision is moving rapidly down a path to adapt our business to thrive amidst the new realities facing our business and the industry. These new realities include exam capacity constraints and persistent inflationary pressures on our business and our customers' wallets. Let's start with exam capacity. On the whole, in stores where we are achieving capacity objectives, comps are positive, thus demonstrating the strength of our business model. There are three components to achieving optimal exam capacity. The first is retention of the optometrists who currently practice in and alongside our stores. As we've previously shared, our optometrist retention rate is in the 80%-90% range.

While there are some variability within that range from 2019 through 2021, mainly due to increased retirement and other pandemic-related factors, our retention rate improved in 2022 compared with 2021. Given our healthy Q1 retention levels, we expect to see another step up in retention in 2023 over 2022. The second is the recruitment of new optometrists to our network. We are pleased that our recruitment efforts are off to a strong start this year. Both recruitment and retention have been aided by the addition of a menu of more flexible scheduling options available to optometrists in our network. As we discussed last quarter, these updates were piloted late last year, and based on positive results, they're being further rolled out in the first half of this year.

We continue to learn how best to optimize the new schedule management that goes along with this program and balance customer desired shopping patterns with the flexibility desired by the optometrist. Third, we're deploying our remote medicine capabilities to help improve exam capacity. Remote medicine provides patients with greater access to care and optometrists with the ability to see patients across geographies. This is because remote optometrists can be licensed in multiple states and see patients in remote-enabled exam rooms across the country where they are licensed. Our remote program is a fairly sophisticated startup within our organization, and we expect it to significantly unlock additional exam capacity over time. While we continue to learn and evolve the program, it remains on track to contribute to profitability this year.

While the greatest benefit, of course, is to dark and dim stores, there's also an important benefit in covering situations where an in-person optometrist is out of the office and in supplementing the coverage that a live doctor provides in store when there is strong demand. We remain on track with our expansion into at least an additional 200 remote-enabled stores this year, taking into account planned pauses expected for peak volume periods for our stores. I encourage everyone to take a look at the video we recently published on our website demonstrating a remote exam. In response to the current rising cost environment, we're driving a variety of efforts that should, over time, help to right size both our store and our overall cost structure. This includes the ongoing digitization of the store to improve efficiency and productivity.

An example of this is our electronic health record, or EHR program, that we're rolling out in conjunction with our remote medicine capabilities that is designed to make our stores work more efficiently than with traditional paper records. In addition, as we continue our deep dive into our pricing architecture, we're conducting a study that will help us update the competitive landscape and our position within it to best determine options for potential pricing changes while executing our mission to provide quality eye care and eyewear at a value to all. Finally, with respect to consumer spending conservatism, we are constantly testing and expanding new marketing programs, including those that attract consumers via a variety of relatively new omni-channel offerings.

We continue to believe that over time, due to the biology of the human eye, the consumer purchase cycle, which remained consistent in the decades prior to the pandemic, will eventually normalize. Regarding our ongoing store growth, during the Q1 , we opened eight new stores and are on track to open approximately 65-70 new stores this year. Our new stores opened over the past 12 months are continuing to perform well and in line with our expectations. As illustrated on slide six, we continue to see great opportunity to expand our America's Best and Eyeglass World store base over time, and we'll continue to capitalize on the white space opportunity in front of us. In summary, we are taking aggressive action to position National Vision for success in the post-pandemic marketplace.

While April was somewhat softer than we previously anticipated, we're beginning to see encouraging signs of progress from the actions we are taking, which is giving us confidence in reaffirming our 2023 guidance at this time. I'll now turn the call over to Melissa for a more detailed discussion of our financial results and the 2023 outlook.

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

Thank you, Reade, and good morning, everyone. As Reade discussed, we had a stronger than expected start to the year, driven primarily by managed care sales, leading to Adjusted Comparable Store Sales growth of 0.8%, slightly better than originally guided. We are beginning to see progress based on the actions we are taking. Now I'll cover our Q1 financial performance in more detail. Turning to slide nine, net revenue for the quarter increased 6.6% compared to the prior year. This includes the impact from the timing of unearned revenue, which benefited revenue growth by 2% in the period. During the quarter, we opened four new America's Best and four Eyeglass World stores and closed five stores.

For our America's Best and Eyeglass World growth brands combined, unit growth increased 5% over the total store base last year. We ended the quarter with 1,357 stores. As Reade mentioned, we are on track to open between 65 and 70 new stores this year, consistent with our previous guidance. Adjusted Comparable Store Sales grew 0.8% compared to the Q1 of 2022, driven by an increase in average ticket and transactions. Turning to slide 10, as the percentage of net revenue, costs applicable to revenue increased 50 basis points, driven by the deleverage of optometrist-related costs, which was partially offset by higher eyeglass margins and increased eyeglass mix. Adjusted SG&A expense as a percentage of revenue increased 140 basis points compared to the Q1 of 2022.

The key factors behind this increase included higher performance-based incentive compensation, given the normalization of our incentive plan this year versus last year, as well as higher store payroll. The factors were partially offset by advertising expense leverage during the period. Adjusted Operating Income was $39.9 million compared to $45.3 million in the prior year period. Adjusted Operating Margin decreased 150 basis points to 7.1%, driven primarily by the increase in optometrist-related costs and the normalization of incentive compensation compared to last year. Net interest expense was $4.9 million, which includes mark-to-market losses on derivative instruments and charges related to amortization of debt discount and deferred financing costs of $3.9 million. Adjusted Diluted EPS was $0.31 compared to $0.33 per share in the prior year period.

Turning to slide 11, our balance sheet and liquidity remained strong. We ended the quarter with a cash balance of $246.9 million and total liquidity of $540.5 million. Including available capacity from our revolving credit facility. We have total debt outstanding of $566.9 million with no mandatory principal payments due until the term loan matures in July of 2024. We are currently exploring refinancing options for our term loan and revolving credit facility in advance of their maturity. We expect to provide an update when appropriate. We ended the quarter with net debt to adjusted EBITDA of 1.8x. During the quarter, we generated operating cash flow of $74.1 million.

We invested $27.7 million in capital expenditures, primarily focused on new store openings and customer-facing technology investments, and remain on track for 2023 CapEx in the range of $115 million-$120 million to support our key growth initiatives. During the quarter, we returned capital to stockholders with the repurchase of 1.1 million shares for $25 million under the share repurchase program at an average share price of $22.90 per share. We have $25 million remaining under the current share repurchase authorization. Inventory per store declined 8% on a year-over-year basis. Our merchandising and distribution teams continue to execute well, and we are confident our current inventory levels are sufficient to support continued growth in 2023.

Overall, we will continue to utilize our strong balance sheet and cash flow to invest in our strategic initiatives to enhance our customer experience and strengthen our market position. Turning now to our outlook on slide 12. We are reaffirming our 2023 fiscal year outlook for key metrics that we provided on our last earnings call. We continue to expect net revenue between $2.075 billion-$2.135 billion, supported by Adjusted Comparable Store Sales growth of 0%-3% in 65-70 new store openings this year. Adjusted Operating Income between $48 million and $66 million, and Adjusted Diluted EPS between $0.42 and $0.60 per share, assuming 80.2 million weighted average diluted shares.

Embedded in our guidance is the expectation for the 2023 fiscal year tax rate to be in the range of 26%-28%, which includes the impact of reduced deductibility of certain expenses as a result of the expiration of the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021. From a quarterly cadence perspective, we expect our tax rate to decrease in the Q2 from the Q1 of 2023, resulting in a Q2 tax rate below the full year expectation. As we move into the back half of 2023, we expect our tax rate to be more in line with our full year guidance. As Reade stated previously, April was somewhat softer than we anticipated due to ongoing macro related headwinds our core uninsured patients and customers are facing, including lower tax refunds this year versus last year.

Given this and the timing of expected increased product costs, doctor related investments, and SG&A deleverage with adjusted SG&A dollar growth in the high single-digit range, we continue to expect Adjusted Operating Margin in the Q2 of this year to be pressured. Looking beyond the Q2 , we continue to expect sales trends to improve in the back half of this year as we execute our strategic initiatives, including addressing doctor capacity constraints. In summary, we remain focused on executing our strategy and believe we are on track to achieve our objectives for this year. As Reade mentioned, while still early, we are encouraged by the progress we are making, especially with respect to our efforts in expanding exam capacity through our recruiting and retention initiatives, as well as the further implementation of our remote exam technology.

As we move beyond the initial implementation phase for remote technology, we continue to expect operating margins to improve, especially as we drive further efficiencies with our store and corporate digitization initiatives. In addition, we continue to evaluate our pricing structure and opportunities to further offset increased costs while maintaining our position within the industry. Thank you for your time today. I'll now turn the call back to Reade.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Thank you, Melissa. Turning to slide 13 and our moment of mission, which focuses on our latest technology investment in an early-stage healthcare artificial intelligence startup called Toku, which we're investing in alongside Topcon Healthcare. Eye exams are more than simply getting an eyeglass or contact lens prescription. They also assess ocular and overall health. The picture of the retina that we're able to take in most of our stores provides a treasure trove of valuable information that an optometrist can use to assess ocular and overall health and identify potential diseases that otherwise may go undetected for a long period of time, thus helping to improve the health outcomes for our patients. Through our investments in Toku, we're enhancing these capabilities. Toku analyzes retinal images for biometric markers linked to overall health and risk of cardiovascular events, including stroke, which is highly prevalent in people living with diabetes.

Theirs is among the first AI screening approaches designed primarily with optometry in mind. In addition, Toku is working on validating an AI assessment of cardiovascular risk from the retinal photo, which would be a first, connecting optometry and primary care. In supporting Toku, National Vision is investing in a future for optical care in which more people are able to have affordable access to potentially life-saving health data through an easily accessible, non-invasive test. In summary, the key takeaways from today's call are: we are rapidly adapting our business to thrive amidst the new realities of the post-pandemic marketplace. Our retention, recruitment, and remote medicine efforts are all heading in the right direction towards improved exam capacity. The digitization of our stores, corporate office, and marketing efforts continue to progress towards improved productivity.

Longer term, we're making investments for improved patient care and optometric experience, including investments in AI. While our more budget-conscious consumer remains pressured, we are reiterating our guidance for the year and reiterating our conviction that the optical purchase cycle will eventually return to the normal historical patterns. Now I would like to turn the call back to the operator to start our Q&A session.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question-and-answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw a question, please press star one one again. As a reminder, at the company's discretion, please only ask one question and one follow-up question please. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. One moment, please. Our first question comes from Michael Lasser of UBS. Your line is now open.

Michael Lasser
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Reade, if you had to to mention the improvement in your comp in the most recent quarter between the cycle getting better, meaning we're getting closer to the re-replacement of glasses that were purchased in the last few years, the improvement in optometrist capacity and the trade down benefit that you might be seeing because of the challenging economic conditions, how would you disaggregate and quantify those three factors?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Thank you, Michael. Great question. I would rank to order them, in this way. I would begin with capacity, with improvements on the eye exam appointment and availability or eye exam availability front. Your second piece was, the second one would be the trade down piece, but I'd actually not say it is trade down. I'd say it is increase in managed care because the increase in managed care does a bit correlate with the trade down effect in that wealthier people tend to have managed care benefits.

I'd say capacity, managed care, and I think it's premature to talk about a normalization of the cycle just yet. I'm looking forward to the day, Michael, when we can announce that. It will come. I am confident it will come, but I think it's premature to point at that at this point.

Michael Lasser
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Okay. The softness in April that you talked about, you would attribute that mostly just to tax refunds and not any sort of internal execution challenges that or reversal of the benefits that you were seeing that drove the improvement in the Q1 ? I want you to clarify, I was hoping you could clarify the comments you were making, you made about potential price changes. Does that mean you could continue to take prices up while at the same time trying to maintain the deep value offering of National Vision?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Let me start with your first point. Yes, I think April is more related to tax refund related softness than other things. Again, we are reiterating our guidance for the balance of year, but we did wanna point out that April was a little softer than anticipated, but I do think it was the tax refund piece. On the pricing side, that's something that we're always looking at, especially in an inflationary world. There's a small amount of pricing baked into our guidance, but we're looking at other pieces too. You know, on a regular basis, we do sort of price checks on various aspects relative to the industry as a whole.

We shared in our comments there, we're doing a little deeper dive and getting some fresh perspectives on it also because we think that there may be some opportunities there also that we're looking at. Always good to have fresh perspectives on that in an inflationary environment. Michael, you are absolutely correct. We are committed to being a value player. We are committed to having a nice price gap between us and the competition. That is what people come to us for, that is what we are known for, and that is what we want to constantly deliver. In this world, there may still be opportunities for further pricing action.

Michael Lasser
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Understood. Thank you so much.

Operator

One moment, please, as we promote the next question. Our next question comes from Zachary Fadem from Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Zachary Fadem
Managing Director, Wells Fargo

Hey, good morning. Reade, you called out encouraging results from your optometrist recruiting and retention initiatives. Could you talk a bit about what that means for existing versus new stores and whether it has an impact on your new store openings? Separately, curious what type of things you're looking for as proof points that remote medicine is working.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Okay. Yeah. In terms of the existing versus new stores, again, the what we said on the recruitment front, on the retention front is that it looks like on the retention front, it looks like this year is gonna be better than last year, and last year was better than the year before. We are encouraged by that trajectory in terms of retention. Recruitment is also healthy. I didn't point out, but, you know, our student recruitment is tracking ahead of last year, and last year was a record. It's still a little early in the season. A lot of students sort of don't make decisions till the very end there. In Q1, we're tracking ahead there. What does that mean for new stores?

We also pointed out that new stores, if you look at the stores we opened over the past 12 months, they're in line with expectations, which reinforces our conviction in the white space opportunity ahead of us. We think relating to the remote piece, that remote can help us even even more in terms of white space opportunities. What do we look for in terms of the remote for success? What we want, of course, is we want to expand our capacity in a cost-efficient manner and make more e-exam slots available to the customers who wanna come to us. Really important point I wanted to just reinforce, where we are achieving our capacity objective, our comps are positive.

It just reinforces the model is great. What we're doing in this environment where optometrists are harder to get is, we're sort of chasing getting those optometrists so that we're able to deliver our model. Where we can deliver our model, comps are positive and that's all good.

Zachary Fadem
Managing Director, Wells Fargo

Got it. Reade, now that we are a solid two years away from the pandemic and the stimulus gains of 2021, can you talk about the impact of a multiyear replacement cycle in the category? Just considering the pull forward we saw in 21 and just a three -to-four-year replacement cycle, to what extent would you expect 2024 and 25 to be a year of accelerated growth for the category?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

As this challenge that we're facing of the normalization of the purchase cycle is a category-wide challenge. The category last year, around March or April, it dipped throughout the category. To the extent to which you had a high penetration in managed care, you were a bit insulated from it. We of course, have a low percentage of managed care because, you know, most of our customers are paying cash themselves. They're the sort of lower income budget conscious consumers. But the entire category is believing that the purchase cycle has not normalized, and the entire category is believing that the purchase cycle will eventually normalize because it's been a very consistent category for decades prior to the pandemic.

It was quite a boom for the year or so after the reopening. That was lots and lots of people bought glasses, and they tended to buy nicer glasses at the time. Then they were in general hit with this inflation, and that has pulled back the entire category. We believe the purchase cycle will normalize eventually. We believe the purchase cycle must normalize eventually, given the biology of the human eye and a lot of trends like all the screen usage, which makes, which contributes to eye strain, which will increase the category and bring younger people into the category also. I just can't tell you when this is unusual and this is unprecedented.

Zachary Fadem
Managing Director, Wells Fargo

I appreciate the color. Thanks for the time.

Operator

One moment, please, as I promote the next question. Our next question comes from Brian Philips of Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Brian Phillips
Analyst, Jefferies

Hey, it's Brian Phillips from Jefferies. Good morning, and congrats on the quarter. Reade, I guess my first question for you, as we think about remote eye exams and the virtual strategy, are there any metrics that you can see from your early rollout in terms of maybe improvement in clinician fee or store productivity or recruitment or reducing the days or hours that you don't have a clinician in the store and can't see patients that way?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Well, you know, Patrick is our COO. One of his big responsibilities is looking over our remote program. Patrick, I'll turn that to you.

Patrick Moore
COO, National Vision

Just as a reminder for everybody, our remote care initiative is, it's a clear win for doctors, patients, and our store teams as well. It is a game changer for dark and dim stores. We do look at coverage and capacity in terms of stores where we have a substantial demand, and coverage need. We've seen double-digit productivity improvements, so we do track metrics around capacity matching to demand.

Doctor and store productivity as well as, you know, frankly, sales comps. We did see benefit in the quarter in terms of EBITDA promote . You know, last year we were diluted in the mid-single digit millions. It was a positive contribution to EBITDA in Q1. We are expecting to roll out at least 200 new sites this year, bringing that to 500. We do think remote is also helping retention. It's a theme for doctors in general across the industry, and us having that capability is just another form of flexibility to offer doctors practice methodologies that fits their life the best. The answer to your question is, yes, lots of different things come into play, and we do track and look at all those as we progress this key initiative.

Brian Phillips
Analyst, Jefferies

I appreciate that, Patrick. Maybe my follow-up. you talked about Toku here really briefly, but maybe if you can share with us sort of the strategy on how you are intending to or planning to reach or outreach to healthcare companies so that you can leverage your capabilities and Toku's capabilities and get more into the healthcare side of things versus just your traditional retail footprint? Thanks.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Yeah, that's a great question. Thank you for that. You know, when I think of sort of optometry and big picture longer term trends, I think of three things. I think first of employment. It seems that evermore, there's a desire to work in employed situations versus non-employed situations. I think about flexibility. This generation, this post-pandemic period, that's flexibility in terms of days, but also modes of practice like our remote initiative. I also think on a longer term basis, sort of, more medical aspects of practice, are also gonna be evermore appealing to optometrists. We have had a mantra for the past 15 years of we are creating environments where optometrists will want to spend their entire career.

When I say environments, it's because we have a variety of different environments, everything from leasing to employed to just, if there's a mode of practice, we like to have it available for optometrists in our various different brands out there. The last trend I talked about was longer term, more medical. You know, as I said, we're doing millions of eye exams each year. We have thousands of optometrists practicing alongside our stores and in the National Vision Network. These optometrists are trained to not just find prescriptions, but to find all manner of ocular diseases and all manner of healthcare-oriented diseases. That is a big part of what they do.

Our optometrists are oftentimes the first person to tell someone they have diabetes or hypertension, something along those lines. For many of our patients, it's the only interaction with a medical professional they're gonna have that year. It's very important. We regard that as a big responsibility, sort of offering the network of optometrists the primary healthcare. You know, some people have said to us we are sort of an entry point for healthcare for a lot of our patients. Toku is an early-stage start-up. Let's be clear on that.

The promise of patients being able to come to us and through a simple, quick photograph of the back of their eye, being able to assess all manner of healthcare-related things, diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, we think that that can be an added value to the overall healthcare system. Again, this is longer-range in nature. This is not about sort of how we're gonna deliver this year's guidance, but we think that the network of optometrists who are practicing alongside our stores are playing an important role in healthcare in America, and that technologies like AI, like Toku is advancing, can play an even greater role in health outcomes for patients. We think that that could be valuable to the overall healthcare of America at some point in time. We're planting a few seeds to learn evermore about that and see what added value we can provide.

Brian Phillips
Analyst, Jefferies

Awesome. Thanks, Reade.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your question. One moment as I promote the next questioner. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Chukumba from Loop Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Anthony Chukumba
Managing Director, Loop Capital Markets

Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my question. Congrats on the strong start to 2023. I guess my question, is there anything that you're seeing notable in the competitive landscape? You know, whether it's, you know, from, you know, the independents or some of the larger chains or, you know, some of the, you know, you know, in, stores that are in, you know, deep discount retailers like Costco, Walmart. Is there anything you're seeing from a, like, a promotional perspective or, you know, or just even a competition for optometrist perspective?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Well, yes. It's not new since we've been talking about it sort of since the pandemic, but competition for optometrists is very real. This is what all groups operating chains of any size are talking about. That is very real. The growth of managed care and strength of the managed care sector more so than the cash pay sector, that also is very real. In terms of sort of market share trends, my sense is, we're at best maintaining or at least maintaining our market share.

I don't sense large share changes with the exception of a deceleration in the e-commerce space which is in line with what I think is being seen in other aspects of direct to consumer, that there was a big high in e-commerce related pieces, or, you know, that sector throughout retail during the pandemic, and now there's a trend towards back to stores. That is happening within our category as well. Again, we think we're at least maintaining share, maybe even growing a little bit on the managed care front. Aside from that, the optometrist shortage and the managed care growth, the deceleration of e-commerce towards more back to store. I don't, I wouldn't say there aren't, there are other changes other than this.

Anthony Chukumba
Managing Director, Loop Capital Markets

Got it. Then just a related question. In terms of, you know, given the, as you mentioned, very real competition for optometrists, you know, what does that translate into for optometrists compensation, you know, relative to your expectations? I know obviously you had some new initiatives as well, so maybe that muddies the waters a bit.

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

Hi, Anthony, it's Melissa. As we think about the optometrist compensation, we have seen an increase in compensation over the past year, and we had a higher growth in optometrist-related costs for the quarter of about 90 basis points. We continue to see inflationary actions in optometrist costs as well as just overall wage pressure. We have added significant variable compensation opportunity to our doctors to tie their productivity to their level of pay. With the incentive compensation component, that benefits them as they provide more eye exams and are more productive.

We are doing a variety of efforts to right size our store and overall cost structure so that we can offset these increased costs as we become more efficient in the initiatives that we're putting forward. W e do expect still about 100 basis point headwind related to, split evenly between optometrist costs and investment and product cost increases throughout the year.

Anthony Chukumba
Managing Director, Loop Capital Markets

That's helpful. Thanks for taking my questions. Good luck with the rest of the year.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Thank you.

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your question. One moment as I promote the next participant. Our next question comes from Paul Lejuez from Citi. Your line is now open.

Brandon Cheatham
VP of Equity Research, Citi

Hey, everyone, this is Brandon Cheatham on for Paul. I just wanted to kind of dig in on the capacity constrained stores. Like, are there any similarities with the stores? Are they the same ones, or is it really just a doctor turnover issue? You know, do you know where the optometrists are going? Like, is it a retirement issue, or is it really, you know, just making sure that you offer a competitive enough package to retain them, or are they going to kind of open their own practice? Thanks.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Thank you. Thank you, Brad. In terms of that, there are not broad themes in terms of where optometrists go when they leave us. It's sort of all over the board. Having said that, they're leaving us in lower numbers. When I say that our retention was better in 22 versus 21 and looks like we're on track for a nice improvement in 23 again, what that says is we're doing a better job of keeping them with associated with us. That's, that's, and there, is... That's the trend, and again, and recruitment healthy as well. The, to your point about, sorry, I, oh...

Oh, yeah, the reason is there were retirements, more retirements in the year following the year of the pandemic. Actually, the bigger or a bigger factor has been a lot of optometrists have wanted to cut back the number of days they work. If you think about that overall as a trend, it just means nationally, there are less exam slots than there would be otherwise. Those are two factors, and we have a variety of incentive programs that incentivize doctors to stay at their traditional five days or to pick up a day here and there if they wanna be at three days, but during busy times, sort of maybe ramp up a bit.

When we talk about flexibility, we're trying to offer all sorts of different options to appeal to the lifestyle decisions of an ever wider collection of optometrists, which, by the way, change over time through the life cycle of your career. We are designing our programs to be flexible to change over time throughout optometrist's career. Trying to create environments where optometrists will want to spend their entire career.

Brandon Cheatham
VP of Equity Research, Citi

Gotcha.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

We are pleased with the success we're seeing on those fronts.

Brandon Cheatham
VP of Equity Research, Citi

Makes sense. On the product cost front, I think most of that, and correct me if I'm wrong, is coming on like the contact side of the business. Can you just kind of walk us through some of the, you know, competitive dynamics that you're seeing in that business and then what's flowing through on contact pricing?

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

Yes. As we think about the higher product costs, we announced in March that we were expecting to see about a 100 basis point impact split between both the doctor investment and the increase in product costs. We expected those increased product costs to go into effect in the Q2 of the year. It is primarily related to the contact lens side of the business. That is a product that is easily shoppable, so harder to take price as price comes, as cost goes up. We have taken non-headline pricing where it makes sense to do so. We have been able to offset some of the cost increases that we have seen to date. That has been factored into our guidance that we released in March. We'll continue to evaluate the competitive landscape and take pricing measures where it makes sense.

Brandon Cheatham
VP of Equity Research, Citi

I appreciate it. Thank you, and good luck.

Operator

Thank you for your question. One moment as I promote our next participant. Our next question comes from Simeon Gutman of Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good morning, everyone. It's Simeon. How are you? I wanted to ask about price changes. I think we've been talking about this for a few quarters. It seems like there's more openness. Can you talk about, you know, what's being contemplated? Is it opening price point? Is it the better invest? I guess, what timeframe are you expecting to make a decision and enact changes?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Yeah. Thank you, Simeon. Yeah, we are talking about non-headline price, pricing actions. Again, some level of those are baked into our guidance, and we have a number of ideas that we're sort of vetting on how on potential pricing actions that could be taken. As we said, we're doing sort of a deeper dive study and getting some fresh perspectives also in that way, and we're looking forward to that, and we would feather those in over time. Some are things generally these things can be done reasonably quickly. You know, there are a lot of different aspects of our business beyond the headline price.

We have been, you know, there was a small amount of pricing taken at the very end of Q1. Again, this is something that gets feathered in over time, but we think there could be more opportunity, especially in this environment, where we think our competitors have been more apt to pull the pricing lever than we traditionally are.

Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

My follow-up, it'll have two parts. First, if you look at your comp between managed care and customer pay, if that's the right notation.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Yes, yeah.

Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Can you talk about the spread between those? Is it getting, you know, wider and why or narrower and why? The second part of my follow-up is the adjusted EBITDA or EBIT, which is down year-over-year. I don't know if you'd talk about it in basis points, but the few drivers that are causing it and then how the movement of that throughout the year may abate or not, you know, based on investments, deleverage, ODs, et cetera.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Good. I'm gonna take the first part of that. Melissa's gonna take the second part. The difference between our managed care comps and our call it cash pay comps is significant. Managed care is very strong, and the cash pay consumer is weaker. Managed care strength played a significant role in delivering the comps, the positive comps of Q1. Do you wanna take the second part there, Melissa?

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

Yes. As we think about the decline in adjusted EBITDA year-over-year, many of the factors that are tied into that were what we discussed in March related to the increasing product costs, related to the increasing costs in doctor investment and in addition, the incentive compensation reset that we spoke about in March. With all of those factors combined, in addition to the initiatives that we've been putting in place, that is creating the drag on year-to-year EBITDA that you're seeing.

Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thanks, everyone. Good luck.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Thank you, Simeon.

Operator

Thank you for your question. One moment, please. Our next question comes from Robbie Holmes of BofA Securities. Your line is now open.

Molly Baum
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. This is Molly Baum on for Robbie Holmes. One clarification question I wanted to ask on gross margin. You mentioned, I think, that you still expect 100 basis points of pressure for the full year. I just wanted to dive in a little deeper. Could you provide some details on maybe what your expectations are in terms of the cadence of that? You know, did Q1 come in ahead of your expectations? Should we anticipate the Q2 maybe to come in a little bit weaker just given some of the year-to-date trends that you're seeing? Sorry, just any additional details that you might be able to give there. Thanks.

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

Yes. As we think about gross margin for the year, the Q1 came in relatively close to expectations. The reason for that is because the increased product costs that we had referred to in March go into effect largely starting in Q2 . We expect the 100 basis points that we talked about in March to be split between doctor investment, which is pretty ratable throughout the year, and then 50 basis points tied to product cost increases, which begin in Q2 .

Molly Baum
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Got it. That makes sense. In terms of the Q2 , a bigger function is just related to the top line and then maybe some expense you leverage on SG&A. Is that a better way of thinking about it as opposed to the gross margin piece?

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

As you think about the SG&A piece, we expect that we'll have some growth in SG&A as we go into Q2 . The dollars will be slightly lower than what you saw in Q1 . However, we're expecting the high single-digit range, largely driven by the incentive compensation reset that we spoke about. In addition to that, based on the timing of our new store openings, we expect to see occupancy expense be a little bit higher in Q2 and beyond.

Molly Baum
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Got it. No, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for taking my questions and good luck on the quarter.

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your question. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Dylan Carden of William Blair. Your line is now open.

Dylan Carden
Analyst, William Blair

Thank you. I was just curious, you know, you speak to sort of encouraging trends in doctor availability capacity. Between recruitment, which I would imagine is sort of more of a now and go-forward issue, some of the initiatives you've done around sort of more flexible scheduling, and remote care and anything else, kinda what you're seeing that is working this early in the year and kind of walking through more tangibly, you know, how you, how you expect to kinda get your way out of this and maybe some of the timing around that.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Got it. Okay. The word I'm using is ever improving retention, improving health in recruitment and remote creating more capacity. Encouraging, improving, those are both words. I would like to reinforce that with recruitment, there's always a delay of, you know, generally it's for a working doctor, it's at least 60 days before they can start from the time they agree. Of course, the students all tend to arrive in the summer along the way. That's again, that's as we do our projections and reiterate our guidance, that is baked into that.

We are believing in the initiatives we have in terms of the flexibility programs we have in terms of the promise of remote, but it's not solved yet. We are getting better. The trends are going in the right way, but it's not solved yet. We're pleased with the direction and confident in our future. Again, reinforcing where we have the capacity, the comps are positive. You know, the... That to us says this is a game of just making sure we can deliver the capacity because the consumers wanna come to us.

Dylan Carden
Analyst, William Blair

I'm taking from that retention is really driving the encouragement at this point relative to last time.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Nope. All three. I'd say retention is encouraging and recruitment is recurring-encouraging. Remote is still a startup, still on a learning curve. It's generating exams profitably for us, and we see it getting better and better over time.

Dylan Carden
Analyst, William Blair

Okay. Then the comments around how managed care maybe is not directly related to trade down impact. Can you help me understand that?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

No, I hope you took away it is directly related. Wealthier people tend to have managed care. Managed care benefits go further with us than they do otherwise. There's a strong overlap between the two. They... You would think they would go in lockstep.

Dylan Carden
Analyst, William Blair

No, I did. I apologize.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

They do correlate. I'm sorry if I misstated that before, but you're correct. They are. There's overlap.

Dylan Carden
Analyst, William Blair

No, it's my fault. Is the idea or is the commentary that the trade down impact that maybe was delayed relative to where people thought last year happening in greater force at this point?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

It is. Yeah. Trade down versus prior year is increasing. Yeah.

Dylan Carden
Analyst, William Blair

Okay. Okay. thank you very much.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Yeah, and right. You know, as inflation hits ever wealthier people's pocketbooks, that should continue.

Operator

Thank you for your question. One moment, please, as I promote the next participant. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Drbul from Guggenheim. Your line is now open.

Robert Drbul
Managing Director, Guggenheim

Hi. Good morning. My question's around, like, the new store opening plan. I guess when you look at all the headwinds around optometrists, you know, why does it make sense to keep adding stores at the same pace as recent years? You know, would you consider, are you considering maybe slowing the pace of the new store rollout?

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Again, over the... If you look at the stores we've opened over the past 12 months, they continue to perform in line with historical expectations. where the ability to get doctors is a highly localized thing, sort of where you place a store, it may be either an encouraging place to for a doctor to practice or otherwise. It's very store related. We're always striving to not open a dark store, and yet if for some reason a doctor doesn't show up in many places we can open with remote. That's a factor also, which we never had in the past. Again, the promise is that over time, remote could actually increase our white space opportunity.

Robert Drbul
Managing Director, Guggenheim

Got it.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

If the new stores are still working, then we're still going. We think that white space is very real.

Robert Drbul
Managing Director, Guggenheim

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your question. One moment, please, as I promote the next participant. Our next question comes from Adrienne Yih of Barclays. Your line is now open.

Adrienne Yih
Managing Director, Barclays

Good morning. Thank you very much. Reade, I guess I have a couple of kind of higher level questions for you. With the comments on April on seeing some pressure from tax refunds, I guess my question is, how do you now feel about sort of back half macro changes? Is it too early to see any recovery if that tax pressure, tax refund pressure was sort of more near-term in nature? Under what kind of assumption are you assuming that as these doctors come on in the summer, what's the increase in sort of doctor capacity to increase sort of, you know, to reduce unfulfilled exams?

For Melissa, on the SG&A, you know, the SG&A for this year, how should we think about that if we're thinking out a year or two, you know, out into the out year about what portion of that is just heavy up investment and how that streamlines and gets more kind of balanced in 2024? Thank you so much.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Melissa, why don't you go through what the guidance contemplates for the second half of the year, the balance of the year of the SG&A, and then I'll take the question about the increase in capacity from the hiring.

Melissa Rasmussen
CFO, National Vision

Sure. Hi, Adrienne. As we think about with April being a little bit softer, we did tie that to what we believe to be a lower tax refund season for our low income consumer. We expect that the initiatives that we're putting in place to continue to take hold and expand exam capacity. It's too soon to talk about May as we're just a couple of weeks into that period. We have taken all of the information that we have to date and factored that into the guidance that we reaffirmed today. We do expect the back half of the year to have slightly better comps than what we've seen so far in Q1

As we think about SG&A, the modeling that we talked about this year, we do expect the headwinds related to the incentive compensation reset and the increased occupancy expense that we talked about a few moments ago. As we think about beyond this year with the initiatives that we're putting in place, as we get back to mid-single digit, we expect to leverage many of the investments that we're putting in place currently. As we get past the implementation phase, we spoke last March that we expect to see at least 100 basis point improvement in operating margins related to some of those implementation teams being disbanded and the productivity lift that we expect from many of those initiatives.

Adrienne Yih
Managing Director, Barclays

Great. Very helpful.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

To the part of your question, Adrienne, about the new hires and the increase in capacity, we're encouraged by Q1 student hiring. It's better than Q1 last year. Last year, we had record student hiring, so that's a plus. Doctors, new doctors coming on, is always part of our plan, but it's right now it's looking a little bit more encouraging than what was in the plan. This is all part of the puts and takes on the balance of the year that Melissa just took you through. There are a lot of factors that you've got to balance as you project out for the balance of the year. But we as we assess all those, we felt quite comfortable reiterating our guidance.

Adrienne Yih
Managing Director, Barclays

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you for your question. At this time, I would now like to turn it back to Reade for closing remarks.

Reade Fahs
CEO, National Vision

Good. Thank you very much, Gerald, and thank you all for joining us here today. Thank you for your ongoing support, and we look forward to speaking to you again when we report our Q2 results. Thank you all very much. Have a great day.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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