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Earnings Call: Q1 2016

Apr 20, 2016

Speaker 1

Good morning. My name is Tracy, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Huntington Bank Shares First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer Thank you.

Mr. Mark Moose, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Tracy, and welcome. I'm Mark Mote, Director of Investor Relations for Hunt. Copies of the slides we will be reviewing can be found on our IR website at www.huntingtonir.com, or by following the Investor Relations link on www.huntington.com. This call is being recorded and will be available as a rebroadcast starting about 1 hour from the close of the call. Our presenters today are Steve Steinauer.

Chairman, President and CEO and Mac McCullough, Chief Financial Officer Dan Newby, our Chief Credit Officer, will also be participating in the Q And A portion of today's call.

Speaker 3

As noted on Slide 2, today's

Speaker 2

discussion, including the Q And A period, will contain forward looking statements. Such statements are based on information and a stock available at this time and are subject to changes, risks and uncertainties, which may cause actual results to differ materially. We assume no obligation to update such statements. For a complete discussion of risks and uncertainties, please refer to this slide and material filed with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10 K-eight 10 Q and 8 K filing. Let's get started by turning to Slide Great, and over to you the financials.

Matt? Thanks, Mark. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We're pleased to report another quarter of solid results and believe 2016 is off to a good start. Huntington's customer centric strategy continues to deliver consistent growth in market share and share of wallet through execution of our distinctive Fairplay philosophy, our Welcome Culture and our superior customer service.

Disciplined execution of our strategy well timed investments in our businesses over the past several years are producing solid results for our shareholders, our customers, our colleagues and our communities. Slide 3 shows some of the financial highlights for the quarter. Earnings per common share of $0.20 was up 5% from the 2015 first quarter. While tangible book value per share increased 8 percent to $7.12. Return on tangible common equity was 11.9 percent while return on assets was 0.96 percent.

Core fundamental trends remain strong and reflect the benefit of our strategic investments over the past several years. Year over year revenue growth was 7% comprised of an 8% increase in net interest income and a 4% increase in non interest income. We continue to believe that our ability to deliver consistent topline growth, despite the challenging interest rate environment distinguishes Huntington from our peers. We also believe that our disciplined investment strategy combined with a focus on achieving positive operating leverage on an annual basis is proving to be a key differentiator. While we achieved positive operating leverage for the quarter, non interest expense increased 7% year over year, reflecting our ongoing investments, including 44 new in store branches and digital and technology investments, such as our new mortgage origination platform that is currently being piloted.

Our efficiency ratio for the quarter was 64.6%, which remains well above organically by growing revenue faster than expense, but we also continue to expect that our recently announced acquisition of FirstMerit will yield meaningful improvements in our pro form a efficiency. Turning to the balance sheet. Average loan growth was 6% year over year, while average core deposit growth was 5%. Continuing a 7 quarter trend of year over year core deposit growth being greater than 5%. Overall, credit metrics remained solid.

Criticized assets remained stable. We incurred only 7 basis points of net charge offs in the quarter we continue to benefit from large commercial real estate recoveries. Nonperforming assets increased 23 basis points from the previous quarter with the majority of the increase centered in our oil and gas exploration and production and coal portfolios. Our capital ratios remained strong. Tangible common equity ended the quarter at 7.89 percent, up 7 basis points from year end.

While all regulatory capital ratios except common equity Tier 1 increased meaningfully during the quarter due to the issuance of $400,000,000 of perpetual preferred stock on March 21st. Slide 4 provides a summary income statement, including some additional details of our non interest income and non interest expense for the quarter. Relative to the first quarter of 2015, total recorded revenue increased 7 percent to 754,000,000 Screp revenues accounted for the majority of the increase as net interest income increased 8% to $512,000,000. We benefited from 8% average earning asset growth, partially offset by 4 basis points of net interest margin compression. The NIM was negatively impacted by unfavorable mix shift on both sides of the balance sheet, most notably the increase in our low yielding LCR compliance securities in our earning assets and higher cost senior bank notes in our funding mix.

We continue to remain disciplined in pricing of both loans and deposits. Fee income increased 4% from the year ago quarter to $42,000,000, primarily driven by continued customer acquisition gains and relationship deepening. Highlights included a 13% increase in service charges on deposit accounts and a 12% increase in card and payment processing income. We also faced some headwinds in the quarter in Mortgage Banking And Trust Service Income. Mortgage Banking Income decreased 19% from the year ago quarter as a result of a 5% decline in origination volume, coupled with a $2,000,000 decrease from net MSR activity.

Trust services income declined 21% year over year primarily due to the sale of our claims management servicing businesses at the end of last year. We reported non interest expense in the 2016 first quarter was 491000000 an increase of $32,000,000 or 7 percent from the year ago quarter. This quarter's non interest expense included one significant item $6,000,000 of merger and acquisition related expense from the pending FirstMerit acquisition. As detailed on page 7 of the press release, non interest expense adjusted for significant items in both quarters increased $29,000,000 or 6 percent year over year. In March, the FDIC announced the final rule approving the previously disclosed surcharge on banks with assets in excess of $10,000,000,000 including Huntington.

In our conference call last quarter, we stated that the surcharge would negatively impact our FDIC insurance expense, by approximately $13,000,000 in 2016. Due to the delay and the implementation until July 1, we now expect the negative impact will be approximately $7,000,000 this year. Slide 5 details the trends in our balance sheet mix. Average loans of leases increased 2,800,000,000 or 6% year over year as most portfolios continue to experience year over year growth. Average securities increased $2,100,000,000 or 17 percent primarily reflecting growth in LCR compliance securities and to a lesser extent growth in our direct purchase municipal securities in our Commercial Banking segment.

We are currently above the 100% threshold for liquidity coverage ratio. So you know the loan growth a little deeper, average commercial and industrial loans grew 1.5000000000 dollars or 8%, primarily driven by a $800,000,000 increase in asset finance. The quarter also benefited from continued momentum in auto floor plan and broad based commercial lending. Average automobile loans grew $900,000,000 or 11 percent from the year ago quarter. Auto Finance remains a core competency of Huntington we're committed to this business and our dealer customers.

The first quarter of 2016 represented the Knight consecutive quarter of more than $1,000,000,000 of automobile loan originations. We have achieved this by remaining absolutely consistent in our strategy which is built around a credit model that is focused on prime and super prime borrowers and a business model of high touch and local delivery. As detailed on Slides 4647 in the appendix, our underwriting has not changed and our credit performance remains superior. Yields on the new auto paper rebounded slightly in the first quarter back up to around 3% compared to the $2.90 to $2.95 range in the fourth quarter. Recall yield last quarter were impacted by the normal seasonal mix shift towards new vehicle sales that occur in the fourth quarter as manufacturers try drive yearly volume goals.

While the 1st quarter's originations reflected a return to more normal new used mix. The auto portfolio continues to perform very well. As expected, the seasonal increases in delinquencies and charge offs we experienced in the fourth quarter were course this quarter with delinquencies declining 26 basis points sequentially and net charge offs declining 5 basis points. Further, if you compare our delinquencies and non accrual loans with the year ago quarter, you will see they are essentially flat. Net charge offs are up modestly year over year, but remain well below the level to which we underwrite the portfolio.

Staying on slide 5 and moving to the right side, average total deposits increased 2.9000000000or5percent over the year ago quarter, including a $2,600,000,000 or 5 percent increase in average core deposits. We continue to see strong growth in demand deposits as average non interest bearing demand deposits increased $1,100,000,000 or 7 percent year over year. And average interest bearing demand deposits increased 1.6 dollars or 26 percent. This growth reflects our continued focus on new customer checking household and commercial relationship account acquisition as well as relationship deepening, all of which are detailed in slides 11 through 13 that Steve will discuss later. We also continue to remix the consumer deposit base out of higher cost CDs into other less expensive deposit products.

Average core CDs decreased to $500,000,000 or 19 percent year over year. Average total demand deposits accounted for 37 percent of non equity funding the 2016 first quarter, while money market and savings deposits accounted for combined 38%. By contrast, average core CDs accounted for 3% of our non equity funding in the quarter. Average total debt increased 2.1000000000 dollars or 34% as a result of 5 senior debt issuances over the past 5 quarters, totaling $4,100,000,000, including $1,000,000,000 issued in March of this year as well as the assumption of debts quarter was part of our normal funding strategy. Slide 6 shows our net interest margin plotted against earning asset yield.

Interest bearing liability costs and other deposit costs. 1st quarter and M decreased 4 basis points year over year, but increased 2 basis points from the previous quarter to 3.11%. This quarter, the net interest margin benefited from approximately 2 basis points of interest recoveries in the commercial real estate portfolio and another 1 to 2 basis points in day count. Adjusting these benefits out of the 1st quarter margin we expect another 2 to 4 basis points of contraction in the 2nd quarter, but remain comfortable reaffirming our previous guidance from last quarter that the net interest margin will remain above 3% for each quarter in 2016. Positioning and how we manage interest rate risk.

As shown in the chart on top, we estimate that net interest income would benefit by 3.6% If interest rates were to gradually ramp 200 basis points in addition to increases already reflected in the current implied forward curve. This is an increase from what we estimated a quarter ago as we recently updated our non maturity deposit models resulting in a reduction in the sensitivity of these deposits. In addition, as we have discussed for some time, our asset swaps are beginning a period of steady amortization as disclosed in our 10 K. We also proactively terminated 1,900,000,000 of swaps in January, taking advantage of volatility in the markets. As we have stated previously, our asset swap portfolio is a laddered portfolio.

There are no cliffs looming on the horizon. These actions coupled with changes in our overall balance sheet mix drove the increase in modeled asset sensitivity. As shown on the bottom right and a hypothetical scenario without the $5,800,000,000 of remaining asset swaps, The estimated benefit would approximate positive 5.4 percent in the up 200 basis point gradual ramp scenario. The chart on the bottom of the slide shows our 5 point $5,800,000,000 liability swap portfolio, including the respective average remaining lives and their impact on net interest income. The internal benefit of swaps was $24,000,000 in the 2016 first quarter, down from $29,000,000 in the 2015 fourth quarter and $25,000,000 in the year ago quarter.

Slide 8 shows the trends in our capital ratios. Tangible common equity increased 7 basis points sequentially to 7.89 percent. All regulatory capital ratios improved meaningfully from the prior quarter end the exception of common equity Tier 1 regulatory capital ratio, which declined slightly. Later in the quarter, we issued $400,000,000 of 6.25 fixed rate non cumulative preferred equity in order to take advantage of unusual market conditions and low interest rate environment to lock in low cost permanent capital With this issuance, we are now more in line with our peers with respect to the amount of preferred equity in our capital structure. Although as market conditions allow, you may see us further optimize our capital structure in the future relative to the Basel III rules.

Slide 9 provides an overview of our loan loss provision, net charge offs and allowance for credit losses. Credit performance remains solid and in line with our expectations. Criticized assets remain stable. But loan loss provision was $27,600,000 in the first quarter compared to $8,600,000 of net charge offs. Net charge offs represented 7 basis points of average loans and benefited from the previously mentioned large recovery in our commercial real estate portfolio.

As we stated last quarter, we expect credit costs will gradually migrate back to more normalized levels, particularly as recoveries from previously charged off commercial real estate loans diminish. For 2016, however, we expect net charge offs will remain below our long term expectations of 35 to 55 basis points. The ACL ratio kicked up 1 day points of 1.34% of loans and leases compared to 1.33% at the prior quarter end. The ratio of allowance to non accrual loans decreased to 138% compared to 188% a quarter ago due to the F6 in NALs, primarily within our oil and gas exploration of production and coal portfolios. We believe the allowance is appropriate reflects the underlying credit quality The chart in the upper left shows an increase in the non performing asset ratio for the quarter to 102 basis points compared to 79 basis points a quarter ago.

The increase again primarily reflected several oil and gas exploration of production credits and 1 large coal credit, which replaced a non accrual during the quarter. The chart on the upper right reflects our 90 day delinquencies, which remained essentially flat for the past year. The bottom left chart shows the criticized asset ratio, which also has remained relatively stable the past few quarters. Finally, the chart on the bottom right shows NPA inflows as a percentage of beginning period loans at 48 basis points for the first quarter. Reflecting the oil and gas, exploration and production and coal non accrual credits mentioned previously.

All credit metrics fully reflect the results of the recently completed shared national credit exam. Results were consistent with past exams and that we had a handful of downgrades as well as some upgrades. We have more recent or more complete information on the relationship or we simply opted to take a more conservative stance. This practice would also be consistent with past exams. Let me now turn the presentation over to Steve.

Thank you, Mac.

Speaker 4

Slide 11 shows the continued progress driving what we believe to be industry leading customer acquisition and associated revenue growth from both acquiring and building meaningful banking relationships with these customers. We owe these results to the unique combination of our fair play banking philosophy our welcome culture and execution of our optimal customer relationship or OCR focus on relationship banking. Since 2010, we've increased our consumer checking households and business checking relationships by 8% 5% compound annual growth rates, respectively. These robust customer acquisition rates have allowed us to post the associated 5% and 9% compound annual growth rates in consumer and business revenue, which you can see in the 2 lower charts in the slide. You've heard me say this for a number of years, and you'll hear me say it again in the future, our focus remains on growing revenues.

We continue to grow revenues despite the challenging environment. Slide 12 to 13 illustrates the continued success of our OCR strategy and deepening our consumer and commercial relationships. Our strategy has remained consistent since 2010 and is built around 2 simple objectives, gain market share and gain share of wallet. Our track record has illustrated and we will continue to demonstrate that this strategy results both in more loyal, satisfied and stickier customers as well as revenue growth. As of the quarter end, almost 53% of our consumer checking households use 6 or more products and services, up from 50% a year ago.

Correspondingly, our consumer checking account, household revenue was up 33,000,000 dollars or 12% year over year in first quarter. Similarly, almost 48% of our Commercial checking customers used 4 or more products or services at year end, up from 43% a year ago. Commercial revenue increased $4,000,000 or 2 percent year over year. Now you'll notice a step up this quarter in the number of businesses relationships utilizing 4 or more products or services. This increased results from a recent change in pricing for certain of our treasury management products and related impact on the measurement of products and services utilized by these customers.

We expect this will represent a one time step up. Slides 1415 provide a glimpse at some of the key economic data for our footprint. Slide 14 illustrates trends in the unemployment rates across our 6 core Midwestern states as well as other leading coincident and lagging economic data for the region. Employment rates in Ohio and Michigan are the lowest since the early 2000s and the unemployment rates in the 4 largest states in the footprint, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Pennsylvania, are all at or below national unemployment rates. Further, the higher rate in the Midwest is the highest in the nation.

Over 50% of the net manufacturing jobs created in the country since the recession are in Ohio, Michigan and Indiana. Finally, despite recent market volatility and global macroeconomic uncertainty, average consumer confidence in the Midwest is around what it was in 2002. Slide 15 takes a deeper look at the trend in unemployment rates in our largest metropolitan market. Most of the large MSAs in the footprint were near 15 year lows for unemployment levels at the end of January. As you can probably gather from this data, we remain bullish on our core Midwestern footprint.

The auto industry is an important component of the economy in our footprint and it appears poised for another stellar year in 2016. Our small and medium sized commercial customers continue to express confidence in their businesses. Real estate markets across the footprint are improving. There's a significant amount of economic activity in our footprint tied to higher education and health care. And I continue to believe the benefit of low energy prices for consumers and manufacturers more than outweighs the isolated pockets of stress on business within the energy sector in our footprint.

Our SBA lending also remains quite robust. In fact, March was our best month ever for SBA originations. Turning to Slide 16, while we're only 1 quarter into the year, Slide 16 shows that we're off to a good start to execute on our long term financial goal of annual positive operating leverage. We expect 2016 will represent our 4th consecutive year to deliver positive operating leverage. So with that, let's turn to Slide 17 for closing remarks and messages.

We remain focused on delivering consistent through the shareholder returns. This strategy entails reducing short term volatility, achieving top tier performance over the long term, and maintaining our aggregate moderate to low risk profile throughout. Our value proposition for both consumers and businesses continue to drive industry leading new customer acquisition. We've successfully built a strong and recognizable consumer brand with differentiated products and superior customer service. We continue to execute our strategies and refine or react when necessary.

We've invested and will continue to invest in our businesses, particularly around enhanced sales management, mobile and digital technologies, data analytics and optimizing our retail distribution network. Importantly, we plan to continue to manage our expenses appropriately within our revenue outlook. We're optimistic on our core Midwest footprints local economies and the businesses and consumers within them. We are prudently managing certain industries or sectors potentially impacted by market volatility and global macroeconomic uncertainty. However, we believe these risks remain well contained and the majority of our core consumer and small and medium sized business customers enjoy a healthy, near term outlook.

We see no evidence of near term deterioration or problems looming on the horizon. Customer sentiment remains positive and commercial loan utilization rates showed a slight increase for the 4th consecutive quarter. Pressure on our NIM will remain a modest headwind in the near term. We continue to expect the NIM will remain above 3% throughout 2016. We expect to grow revenue despite these pressures consistent with our 4% to 6% long term financial goal, excluding significant items and net of MSR activity and obviously the impact of FirstMerit.

We'll continue to place ongoing investments and our business is consistent with our revenue outlook and consistent with our long term goal of annual operating positive leverage. We closely monitor our loan portfolio and given the absolute low level of our credit metrics and recent market and global economic volatility. We do expect some volatility in our credit metrics going forward and anticipate that loan loss provisioning For both ourselves and the broader industry, we'll gradually begin to return to more normalized levels. So let me stress. We do not see any material deterioration on the horizon.

We're simply moving off cyclical lows, and we'll gradually move back toward normal for both provisioning and net charge offs. We expect our net charge offs for the year will remain below our long term expected range of 35 to 55 basis points. Next, we always like to include a reminder that there is alignment between the board management, our employees, and shareholders, the Board and our colleagues are collectively the 6th largest shareholder of Huntington. We have hold the retirement requirements on certain shares and are appropriately focused on driving sustained long term performance. We're highly focused on our commitment to being good stewards of shareholders' capital.

Finally, before we move into the Q And A period, I'd like to give you a quick update on the status of the FirstMerit acquisition we announced earlier this year. We've filed our application with regulators and anticipate that we will receive both regulatory and shareholder approval to allow us to close the transaction in the third quarter. We also continue our integration planning. We've made significant progress in our product and data mapping process as well as our planning around the organizational structure. The more we get to know, the FirstMerit team the quality and depth of their talent and the similarity of cultures, the more excited I get about this transaction and our ability to deliver on our commitments

Speaker 2

Operator, we will now take questions. We ask that as a courtesy of peers, each person asked only one question and one related follow-up Then if that person has additional questions, he or she can add themselves back into the queue. Thank

Speaker 1

Your first question comes from the line of Ken Heston with Jefferies.

Speaker 5

Just want to follow-up on the credit side and hearing your points about Nautic's not seeing much else but expecting the normalization. This is the second quarter of a pretty meaningful reserve build and I think for specific reasons. So I guess just the questions are can you help us understand kind of what you think, the core charge offs, if we and size of that recovery and then just your general premise around building reserves from here, do you think you've kind of gotten it there for what you need as far as the energy and coal related? Hey, good morning, Ken. This is Dan.

So I think the one thing this was a record quarter for us in terms of recoveries. So that 7 basis points charge offs is obviously very good performance, but it is driven by, some really unusual and unusual level recovery. So that is not going to continue. So if there's going to be one difference in the subsequent quarters, it's going to be a more normalized level of recovery. So that in and of itself will take the net charge off number up.

But we are not seeing anything on the horizon that leads us to conclude that there would be any notable changes. Other than that, we've given guidance that we still expect to be below the 35 to 55. So I think that gives you a pretty good range of what we might see. In terms of the energy build this quarter, we think we've been very conservative in identifying the issues that we have out there. We are well reserved on that portfolio.

We've got, our credit mark on that portfolio was 10%, which given the combination or the constitution of our portfolio, no energy services. I think that's a big differentiator when we're looking at energy exposure. Ours is all E and P very well secured exposure. So even if you say there's going to be continued low energy prices, we think that portfolio on a relative basis is going to hold up quite well.

Speaker 2

Okay. And then a little bit

Speaker 5

to follow-up quickly then it's just on reserving, build from here. More for growth or if you think you got the energy right, then what will be the basis of seeing builds from here? I think it will be largely driven by portfolio growth. And then again, we do point out always there's there's always unevenness in the C and I portfolio. So you're going to have episodic movements here and there, but We are not seeing any significant movement.

I think you see in our criticized asset number holding fairly steady. We still have inflows, but we have a lot good resolutions as well. So I don't see any tremendous movement there either.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Siefers with Sandler O'Neill And Partners. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Good morning guys. I just wanted to ask just sort of an energy related question. So of the total increase, are you guys able to sort of bifurcate how much of that came from the coal versus, the E and P side by any chance?

Speaker 5

Absolutely. We can and we do do that. We the coal was 1 one transaction. And actually, it was not even performance related. This is a more of a there's a lawsuit involved in it.

So the coal deal actually is a low cost producer performing very well and we expect a good resolution to that particular situation.

Speaker 6

Okay. This might make the second question a little less relevant, but as you look at so you've had some understandable increase in non performers, in the energy area, but based on guidance for the entire portfolio, loss content, of course looks pretty low still in the aggregate for everything. Just wondering, as you guys are thinking about the, sort of stuff that you would keep on, on watch from the energy portfolio, when or how might actual loss content manifests itself just in the way you guys are thinking about things?

Speaker 5

Yes, I mean, certainly the potential for loss content increases the longer that we have that's protected low energy phenomenon. So, but I will say that stress analysis that we do, there's still quite a bit of room between where we're at today and where we feel we would incur significant losses. So we do various, stressing on the portfolio, our sensitized case that we use is well below the strip case. And we even do modeling that goes well below that. And even under those scenarios, this is going to be a very manageable series of events for us.

Just we have a very small portfolio. It's 1.5% of our entire portfolio. So the overall impact just is not going to be that dramatic.

Speaker 6

Yes. Okay, perfect. Okay. If I can sneak one last one in there. Mac, you had said, so you guys disclosed the 2 base points of margin benefit from the CRE recover.

Did you say 2 basis points benefit from day count? So in other words, in total 4 basis points, of kind of net benefit off which you'd be forecasting the margin for the second quarter? That's exactly the way to think about it.

Speaker 4

Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Elliott with Autonomous Research. Your line is now open.

Speaker 3

Hello, good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask about also you sound pretty positive but I guess looking at the year on year changes in net charge offs to strip out some of the seasonality,

Speaker 2

there's been a bit

Speaker 3

of an increase. So can you talk about the normalization that you're seeing there and what makes you still pretty on auto credit?

Speaker 5

Sure. This is Dan again. So one, I think we have to look at, we are looking at very low levels charge offs.

Speaker 4

So I think if you looked

Speaker 5

a year ago, we're probably about 19 basis points and in the most recent quarter up to about 28 basis points. That is a very low level of charge offs and well below what we actually model. So I think that's important is a bit of an effect in there from we've talked about TCPA, which is the telephone consumer protection act, which limited our ability to make calls to cell phones. That had a small incremental effect. So we probably have a couple of basis points of additional charge off that was in that number.

And that the impact of that will dissipate over time. But just as a reminder, our origination strategy on indirect auto has not moved at all. We continue to maintain the same FICO scores, LTVs, terms. It's a very dealer centric model. And I think it is important when we look at our portfolio relative to others, the distinction in terms of our focus on prime and super prime customers.

When we expand into different markets, which we do from time to time, we go in with more conservative origination criteria than for the book as a whole. So we just feel we have been rock solid in our origination strategies and don't expect see any significant movement. So we remain very confident in our performance.

Speaker 3

And then just to follow-up, there's been a decline in the Manheim Index for the last couple of months, what are you budgeting for used car prices and how do you think about that?

Speaker 5

Yes. So we've looked, we obviously filed a Mannheim closely. And I think their forecast call for the index to decline about 8% cumulatively over the next few years. And even with that adjustment, we don't see this moving the needle significantly in terms of our performance. I would point out that the mix of our vehicles is a little bit different than what industry average would be as FICO borrower, when you have to take the vehicles back, you tend to get a vehicle that is in better shape and having a higher resale value.

I think the mix of our book also has more trucks and SUVs in it and those values tend to hold up better than vehicles as a whole. So those factors also are going to aid us. So we feel very confident even though we know there will be some reduction in the Manheim because we've been at historically high levels for the, probably the last 5 or 6 years.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Jeff.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Bob Ramsey with FBR. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning guys. This is actually Kyle Peterson speaking for Bob today. Had a question on mortgage banking, kind of your thoughts on that. Obviously, it looks like part of it was down partly due to kind of seasonal trends, but notice it was down year over year as well. Not sure.

Can you view that as mostly related to kind of the MSR impairment or I guess kind of how should we look at mortgage banking moving forward?

Speaker 2

Yes. This is Max. So I think, if you take a look on a linked quarter basis, there was a fairly substantial decline. That's really can be explained by 2 things. 1 is the MSR impairment, which was $6,000,000 to $7,000,000 on a linked quarter basis.

And the other portion of the decline was just due to lower origination volume. So that I think that explains the linked quarter pretty well. And actually that's the same explanation for year over year. It's MSR and lower origination. So we're pleased with origination volume where does that currently.

We just have these seasonal effects and also just the impact of the MSR valuation.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you. And, yeah, I guess just one other kind of Okay. Follow-up kind of modeling question. Is the merger related expense for the H band, for the FirstMerit merger, is that falling is that falling into the other expense line item or kind of, I guess, where is that the $6,000,000 shaking out?

Speaker 2

Yes, fair amount of it's going to be in professional services in that line. And other expense as well. So that's I think that's the way to think about it. That's broken out on page 7 of the release. There's a table that'll give you some guidance there.

Okay, great.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of John Bittery with Evercore. Your line is now open.

Speaker 8

Good morning. It's actually Steve Moss for John.

Speaker 5

I wanted

Speaker 8

to just touch base on the inflows in on performing status, how much of the $240,000,000 was for E and P?

Speaker 5

E and T was about 40% of the inflows. Okay. And

Speaker 8

Then in terms of, also on E and P credits, in what basins are your E and P credits located?

Speaker 5

Our entire portfolio is it's broadly syndicated, shared national credit. So the distribution tends to be very granular throughout the country. Obviously, it would include the Permian Basin, which is probably one of the most profitable, but I would say it's very well diversified. No concentrations within the portfolio. Okay.

Thank

Speaker 8

you very much.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Steve.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Ricky Dodds with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Just had a quick follow-up on energy. You guys provided the dollar value as of period end for your total energy and coal portfolios?

Speaker 5

The aggregate amount of the loans?

Speaker 7

That's right.

Speaker 5

We've indicated that it's right around 5% of total loans. I'm sorry. A big difference. Thank you. 0.5%.

Speaker 7

And then you said reserves on those loans are about 10%?

Speaker 5

Yes. The credit mark, which on a go forward basis, we'll reference credit mark that takes into account charge offs and reserves. But yeah, 10% is the number.

Speaker 7

Perfect. And then a quick follow-up on recoveries. I think 8 of the past 9 quarters, you've seen some lumpy recoveries in the CRE portfolio. How should we be thinking about that going forward?

Speaker 5

That there will be less.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Barker Piper Jaffray. Your line is now open.

Speaker 9

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks everyone. The other growth was very strong this quarter and what And usually the January February is usually seasonally, pretty slow. How much of this growth is due to existing markets, how much of it was taking market share in the new markets that you're attempting to target.

Speaker 2

We're stepping into the new market. As Dan mentioned very, very cautiously, we actually increase our standards and know how we underwrite in newer markets.

Speaker 5

Yes. And I think, in, of the year over year, increase in originations, about 25% came from Illinois, North Dakota, South total, which were our newest markets that we entered into.

Speaker 9

So roughly 25% of your incremental growth was primarily due to the newer market. Is that how you would categorize it?

Speaker 4

Correct.

Speaker 9

And then also, follow-up on the balance sheet items, you obviously shifted gears and become more asset sensitive and you mentioned some of this last quarter. And your NIM has increased this quarter. When we look forward Given your guidance for NIM the decline, how should we look at it going into the back half of the year And then what your expectations are for the Fed acreage rate?

Speaker 2

So starting with the last question, first. I mean, we budgeted and continue to forecast for 2016 assuming no rate increase. And under that scenario, which is the scenario that we use in order to provide the guidance for the year, as Scott pointed out earlier, the 311 that we've reported probably comes down about 4 basis points, 2 to 4 basis points And a lot of that compression is being driven just due to the fact that we're adding the LCR compliance securities. And then on the funding side, a lot of that is coming through on the debt side. So that results in some compression as we move throughout the year.

There's some additional compression that will take place on certain asset categories. But again, based on everything we know today and the way the forecast looks for the remainder of the year, we do believe we stay about 3% in every quarter of 2016.

Speaker 9

Okay. What would drive the additional compression outside? Is it just lower asset yields or other items that would push down NIM in the back of

Speaker 4

the year?

Speaker 2

Given the fact that we're we're at 100% or over 100% for LCR. It's going to be asset compression for the most part. Just continued pricing pressure and commercial the commercial portfolio. But again, not material as we think about where we are today and the guidance that we're given for the rest of the year.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 5

Hey, Mack, I want to make a clarification. And Richard's question, I didn't realize he asked about our exposures, including coal and oil and gas. And so when we take the E and P and the coal together, it's still less than 1% of revenues, but the half percent was in relation to just the E and P did not include coal. But our coal portfolio is actually about half the size of E and P. So it's still low under 1% when we combine those.

I just want to make that clarification.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Andy Stach with Gilead Alliance. Your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Good morning.

Speaker 2

Hi, Andy.

Speaker 10

Yeah. What was driving the sequential increase in other non interest in other than the general lumpiness that can occur in this item.

Speaker 2

So, 4th quarter compared to 1st quarter?

Speaker 10

Yes. Sequential, yes.

Speaker 2

So on table 6 of the press release, we actually show another non interest income going down.

Speaker 10

Right. And it went down pretty substantially. I am sorry that, yeah, that's why I meant to say sequential decline.

Speaker 2

Yes, exactly.

Speaker 10

Yes, just wondering what was driving that, if that's a good run rate.

Speaker 2

It's a bit difficult of a line to forecast. I mean, there's a lot of mezz gains that go through there. There's lease income that goes through there. So it is a bit lumpy in the scheme of things, I think taking a look at just the quarterly progression over time and taking on average might be the best way to think about

Speaker 10

Okay. And what was your what's your reserve or your credit marks on on oil and gas versus coal, if I might ask that as well?

Speaker 5

Actually, they're equal.

Speaker 2

10%. Okay.

Speaker 10

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Amy.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Peter Winter with Stern Adri. Your line is now open.

Speaker 11

Good morning. I had a question about the loan growth. So average loans was pretty solid and then end of period was even stronger. So I was just wondering in terms of the monthly trend, did it Did it start off a little bit slow with all the volatility and then pick up as the year as the quarter moved on and that would carry over into the 2nd quarter?

Speaker 4

Peter, that's a very good accurate conclusion, good analogy. And I think the volatility just had people pause as the quarter progressed, more confidence emerged. And as we sit here today, our pipelines look these look good going into the 2nd quarter. And frankly, they did it at the end of the 4th quarter. Again, that volatility just created, I think, a bit of a timing issue.

Speaker 11

Okay. And just a quick follow-up, Steve, you mentioned on the FirstMerit as you spend more time, you feel better about the FirstMerit deal. I was just wondering if you could add some color to that.

Speaker 4

Well, we've spent a considerable amount of time with our team and their team I mentioned we've gotten through much of the product matching and mapping. And so the things that would be done early stage for integration purposes are well underway, terrific cooperation and communication. And and we continue to be very impressed with the quality of the people we're from FirstMerit that we had the pleasure of interacting with. So we had outlined a sequential integration plan when we announced the deal, we're certainly well on track with that. And expecting to get the approvals necessary to close in the third quarter.

Speaker 11

Thanks very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Jill Shea with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Speaker 12

Good morning. Just related to interest rate positioning, what's the incremental impact on your asset sensitivity positioning over the next quarters as the swap book rolls off? And then just more broadly, is there a certain level of asset sensitivity that you're targeting over time? Can you just walk us through how you're thinking about overall positioning?

Speaker 2

So, on the first question, Jill, about 70% of our the margin benefit from our derivatives actually comes from the debt swaps. So when you think about the impact of the assets lapsed at about 30% of the impact. And if you roll that forward, I think we see another $2,400,000,000 of the assets lots coming off by the end of 2016 and the remainder come off basically by the end of 2017. That impact is completely manageable when you think about the quarter over quarter impact and how slow those are rolling off. We on the second question, we really don't have a target in terms of what we're looking for.

We do think eventually it's going to be good to be asset sensitive. We're very comfortable with our position today. And how we're managing the balance sheet. With the swaps rolling off and I think some of the changes that we've made in the non maturity deposits, we have seen the increase in asset sensitivity. But again, we're very comfortable with how the balance sheet is positioned and the outlook for interest rates as we go through 2016.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Terry McEvoy with Stephens.

Speaker 2

Just talk about the 2 percent C and I growth in the quarter, maybe some industries that stand out as well as maybe some markets that come to mind?

Speaker 4

Well, the the our core markets have done well. So Ohio and Michigan have had good growth. And we've also had a growth in the asset in the asset finance. Portfolio of tariffs. So like what we're seeing with how the year is progressing at least at this stage and we're feeling much more confident than the market settling down in this volatility.

Abating from where it was in early January, February.

Speaker 2

And then, Nick, when you were talking about the efficiency ratio at 65%, above that 56% to 59% long term target. Can you just remind us what first Merit will do to the efficiency ratio I'm pretty sure it was addressed in the investor handout once you get to the full run rate of cost saves. Yes, we had a coming down 300 to 400 basis points. I think is what we disclosed in that investor presentation. So, clearly, good opportunity for us when you think about 80 percent of the markets overlapping with ours.

And the number of consolidations that we're going to be able to achieve Great. Thanks for helping me there. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1

There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Steve Sonauer, I'll turn the call over to you for closing remarks.

Speaker 4

Thank you. We're off to a good start in 2016 as our first quarter results provided a solid base to build from. We delivered 7% year over year revenue growth, 3% net income growth and 5% growth in EPS and an 8% increase in tangible book value per share. So these are solid fundamentals and we're well positioned to continue to deliver good results through the remainder of the year. I've heard me say this before, it remains true.

Our strategies are working and our execution remains focused and strong. We expect to continue to gain market share and improved share of wallet in both consumers and businesses. We expect to generate annual revenue growth consistent with our long term financial goals, and manage our continued investments in our businesses consistent with the revenue environment and our long term financial goal of positive operating leverage. We're optimistic on the economic outlook in our footprint and believe the gradual transition to more normalized credit metrics will be effectively managed. Finally, I want to close by reiterating that our board and management team are all long term shareholders.

And our top priorities include managing risk, reducing volatility and driving solid, consistent, long term performance. So thank you for your interest in Huntington. We appreciate you joining us today. Have a great day everybody.

Speaker 1

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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