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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 29, 2022

Operator

Good day, And thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Honeywell first quarter 2022 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star zero. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Sean Meakim, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Sean Meakim
VP of Investor Relations, Honeywell International

Thank you, Shannon. Good morning, and welcome to Honeywell's first quarter 2022 earnings. On the call with me today are Chairman and CEO, Darius Adamczyk, and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Greg Lewis. Also joining us are Senior Vice President and General Counsel, Anne Madden, and Senior Vice President and Chief Supply Chain Officer, Torsten Pilz. This call and webcast, including any non-GAAP reconciliations, are available on our website at www.honeywell.com/investor. Honeywell also uses our website as a means of disclosing information that may be of interest or material to our investors and for complying with disclosure obligations under Regulation FD. Accordingly, investors should monitor our investor relations website in addition to following our press releases, SEC filings, public conference calls, webcasts, and social media.

Note that elements of this presentation contain forward-looking statements that are based on our best view of the world and of our businesses as we see them today. Those elements can change based on many factors, including changing economic and business conditions, and we ask that you interpret them in that light. We identify the principal risks and uncertainties that may affect our performance in our annual report on Form 10-K and other SEC filings. This morning, we will review our financial results for the first quarter of 2022, share our guidance for the second quarter, and provide an update on our full year 2022 outlook. As always, we'll leave time for your questions at the end. With that, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Darius Adamczyk.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you, Sean, and good morning, everyone. Let's begin on slide two. First off, our collective thoughts are with the millions of Ukrainian refugees, and we hope to see a peaceful resolution quickly. Our number one priority continues to be the safety and security of our employees and partners in the region and respond to their immediate needs. That said, we delivered a very strong first quarter despite a challenging backdrop that included ongoing supply chain constraints, inflation headwinds, and global unrest. I'm pleased with our disciplined execution as we navigate these dynamics and capitalize on the ongoing recovery in our end markets. We met or exceeded our first quarter commitments despite these challenges with adjusted earnings per share of $1.91, down 1% year-over-year, about $0.1 Above the high end of our guidance range.

Organic sales grew by 1% year-over-year in our commercial aviation aftermarket, building products, productivity solutions and services, advanced materials, and recurring connected software businesses all delivered double-digit organic growth. This was partially offset by 2 percentage point impact from lower COVID-related mask sales as we lapped the height of the demand in 2021. Our strong price realization allowed us to stay ahead of the inflation curve. We expanded segment margin by 10 basis points year-over-year, 10 basis points above the high end of our guidance range. Excluding the impact of our investment in Quantinuum, the margin expansion rate would have been 40 basis points year-over-year. Orders and backlog growth accelerated in the first quarter, indicating strong demand momentum despite macro headwinds led by strength in Aero, HBT, and PMT. Our end markets continue to recover.

We'll go into more details on orders and backlogs trends in the next slide. The first quarter is seasonally our lowest from a cash perspective, and as we communicated this year, it is being exacerbated by the supply chain impacts and strong collections in Q4. We generated $50 million of free cash flow in the quarter. These results do not change our full year free cash flow guidance range of $4.7 -5.1 billion, which Greg will discuss later. We continue to leverage our strong balance sheet, deploying $2 billion of total capital in the first quarter, including $1 billion allocated to share repurchases as we began execution of our recently updated commitment to buy back $4 billion in shares in 2022.

From an M&A perspective, we closed the acquisition of U.S. Digital Designs, a public safety communications hardware and software solutions provider. Looking forward, I continue to be encouraged by the strength we are seeing in many areas of our portfolio as we execute our rigorous and proven value creation framework. Our accelerator operating system is driving outstanding shareholder value. Now let me turn to slide three to discuss our orders and backlog trends. First quarter orders across Honeywell grew 13%, the strongest growth we have seen since the start of 2021, with the exception of second Q 2021 growth, which benefited from 2020 COVID-related lows. Despite ongoing macro challenges of the last few years, our book-to-bill ratio has been greater than one for the last several quarters, indicating the strength of our demand and commercial success.

Long-cycle orders grew over 20% in the first quarter, led by strength in the overall aerospace portfolio, PMT process solutions projects, and SPS warehouse automation, which will help facilitate sustained growth through the coming years. First quarter backlog increased 9% year-over-year to $28.5 billion or up 10% excluding the impact of approximately $300 million of backlog removed due to the Russia conflict. Backlog growth has also been accelerating consistently over the last two years as our end markets recover, giving us confidence in increased sales growth as the supply chain environment eases. Now let's turn to slide four to discuss some exciting recent announcements.

Last month, we announced a strategic collaboration with OTTO Motors, a division of Clearpath Robotics, that gives warehouse and distribution centers throughout North America an automated option to handle some of the most labor-intensive roles in an increasingly scarce job market. The collaboration enables Honeywell customers to increase efficiency, reduce errors, and improve safety by deploying OTTO's autonomous mobile robots in their facilities. These autonomous mobile robots handle repetitive and often time-consuming tasks and allow scarce labor resources to be shifted to higher-value jobs. This helps boost worker satisfaction while reducing injuries and turnover rates. The pandemic and its lasting effects on labor shortages is causing companies to reconsider the way they operate, and companies are more willing than ever to invest in automation. We also recently announced that we'll supply Hecate Energy energy storage system for solar park located in northern New Mexico.

When completed in mid-2022, the 50 MW solar farm will be capable of supplying enough electricity to power up to 16,000 average New Mexico homes, which will help meet the state's decarbonization goals. When combined with Honeywell's Experion energy control systems, the energy storage systems will enable customers to accurately forecast and optimize energy costs at the site and will support access to reliable and cost-effective clean energy. Honeywell remains on the forefront of innovation that is leading the energy transition. Energy storage will play a critical role in renewable power generation and will be vital to the decarbonization of global power systems.

Lastly, we are teaming up with World Energy, our carbon net-zero solution provider, and Air Products, the world's largest hydrogen producer, to build one of the most technologically advanced sustainable aviation fuel production and distribution sites ever constructed. The facility will produce fuels that will displace over 76 million metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2050, the equivalent of 3.8 million carbon net zero flights from L.A. to New York. World Energy and Honeywell have collaborated over the past nine years, and this long-term engagement will continue to transform the industry, support the growth of zero carbon economy, and help accelerate the decarbonization of the aviation industry.

These exciting announcements reinforce our message at Investor Day that our innovative culture, our commitment to providing efficient and sustainable solutions to meet the needs of our customers, and our new technologies will be integral to the next leg of growth. Now, let me turn it over to Greg on slide five to discuss our first quarter results in more detail and to provide an update on our 2022 outlook.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you, Darius, and good morning, everyone. As Darius highlighted, we met or exceeded our financial commitments despite a very challenging backdrop. First quarter sales grew by 1% organically as supply chain constraints, predominantly in Aero, HBT, and SPS, continued to hold back volume growth and caused our path to backlog to increase by approximately $500 million in the quarter. Our strong pricing was a highlight in the face of high inflation. Similar to the fourth quarter, 1Q also had difficult year-over-year comps with lower COVID-related mask demand impacting growth by 2 percentage points and the timing of sales in warehouse automation dampening our growth rate.

Turning to the segments, aerospace sales for the first quarter were up 5% organically compared to the first quarter of 2021, despite continued supply constraints, as the ongoing flight hour recovery led to more than 25% year-over-year sales growth in both air transport aftermarket and business and general aviation aftermarket. Commercial original equipment grew double digits in the first quarter as air transport original equipment returned to growth. That was partially offset by lower business and general aviation original equipment volumes. Growth from commercial aerospace was partially offset by defense and space sales that were down 14% in the quarter. Aerospace segment margins contracted as expected in the first quarter to 27.4% due to higher sales of lower-margin original equipment products, the impact of inflation, and the absence of a one-time gain in 2021, partially offset by our pricing actions.

Turning to building technologies, where sales were up 8% organically, led by favorable pricing across the building products portfolio, partially offset by lower volume in building projects. Orders were up double digits in the first quarter as a result of strong demand for fire products and building management systems. Backlog growth continued in building solutions projects and services, giving us confidence for the remainder of 2022. In addition, our Healthy Buildings portfolio maintained its momentum with orders over $100 million in the first quarter. Segment margins expanded 100 basis points to 23.5% due to our pricing actions and our favorable sales mix, partially offset by cost inflation. In Performance Materials and Technologies, sales grew 6% organically in the quarter despite an approximately 1% headwind from Russia sales.

Growth was led by advanced materials, where the business experienced double-digit growth despite lower automotive refrigerant volumes due to supply constraints affecting automotive OE production. Process Solutions sales growth was led by thermal solutions and lifecycle solutions and services. Sparta Systems grew approximately 20% and turned an operating profit in the quarter, earlier than expected in our acquisition model. UOP sales were down in the quarter due to lower process technology equipment volumes, although Sustainable Technology Solutions continued to excel, growing over 75% organically year over year. Orders increased double digits year over year, headlined by over 20% growth in Process Solutions. Segment margins expanded 230 basis points in the quarter to 20.8%, driven by favorable pricing and sales mix, partially offset by cost inflation. In Safety and Productivity Solutions, sales decreased 15% organically in the quarter.

Remember that the first quarter of 2021 was near the height of our COVID-driven mass demand, creating a 9% year-over-year comparison headwind in the quarter. Productivity solutions and services, advanced sensing technologies, and our gas detection businesses all grew at double-digit rates in the quarter despite the supply-constrained environment, highlighting the strength in much of the underlying SPS portfolio. As we expected, the timing of Intelligrated sales is shaping up to be a mirror image of 2021, with sales down in the first quarter and we expect growth in the back half of the year. Segment margins expanded 20 basis points to 14.5%, led by favorable pricing and sales mix, partially offset by lower volume leverage and cost inflation. Honeywell Connected Enterprise continues to underpin the growth we are seeing across the portfolio.

In the first quarter, recurring revenue grew over 15%, with SaaS growth of over 50% led by the Sparta business. We also saw double-digit growth in our Connected Buildings, cyber, and Connected Industrial solutions. For overall Honeywell, our execution allowed us to deliver 10 basis points of segment margin improvements, 10 basis points above the high end of our guide, with margin expansion in PMT, HBT, and SPS, ending the quarter at 21.1%. Keep in mind, this expansion is net of a 30 basis point year-over-year headwind associated with our investment in Quantinuum. On EPS, we delivered first quarter GAAP earnings per share of $1.64 and adjusted earnings per share of $1.91, which was down to $0.1 Year-over-year.

A bridge for adjusted earnings per share from 1Q 2021 to 1Q 2022 can be found in the appendix of this presentation. Segment profit was a $0.01 headwind, driven primarily by lower volume and supply chain constraints, partially offset by strong price realization. A lower effective tax rate, 22% this year versus 22.3% last year, drove a $0.01 tailwind. Share count reduction drove a $0.04 year-over-year tailwind to earnings per share. We saw a $0.05 headwind from below-the-line items, primarily due to lower pension income and increased repositioning. In response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we suspended substantially all our sales, distribution, and service activities in Russia. As a result, we recorded a charge of $183 million or a $0.27 impact to our GAAP EPS.

Moving to cash, we generated $50 million of free cash flow in the quarter, which was closely aligned to our expectations. This decrease was driven by higher working capital, including lower payables and higher receivables from strong 4Q collections, in addition to higher inventory as we continue to work through the constrained supply chain environment. Higher cash taxes due to the impact of tax legislation and R&D capitalization were also a free cash flow headwind in the quarter, consistent with our full- year guidance. Finally, as Darius mentioned earlier, we continue to leverage our strong balance sheet, deploying $2 billion towards high-return opportunities for our shareholders. Notably, we repurchased 5.5 million shares for $1 billion in the first quarter as we executed on our updated commitment to buy back $4 billion in shares in 2022.

We also paid approximately $670 million in dividends, spent approximately $180 million in capital expenditures, and invested approximately $180 million in M&A as we closed the acquisition of U.S. Digital Designs. Overall, we executed better than expected, managing through a very difficult first quarter and accelerated our capital deployment as promised. Now let's turn to slide six to talk about our second quarter and full year guidance. Signs of the recovery continued to unfold in our key markets, underpinned by strong orders growth across many of our businesses, as Darius highlighted in his opening. While uncertainties and persistent challenges remain in the macroeconomic backdrop, our rigorous operating principles have enabled us to demonstrate our agility and resiliency, positioning us well for the recovery ahead.

Our end market setup continues to be strong with ongoing improvement in global flight hours, return to public spaces, and elevated oil prices. Global energy production continues to transition to a low carbon future, and Honeywell will lead that evolution with our strategically differentiated and sustainable technologies. We expect supply chain impacts to remain as challenging in the second quarter as they were in the first quarter, but to start to abate as capacity for electronic components comes online and through Q. We're confident in the eventual return to normalcy in the aerospace supply chain. However, the timing remains difficult to call. Inflation will continue to be a significant headwind. However, our strategic pricing actions will continue to dampen impacts to margin throughout the year.

In response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we suspended substantially all our sales, distribution, and service activities in Russia, representing approximately 1% of total 2021 sales for Honeywell that we do not expect to return this year. In addition, we're actively monitoring and navigating the worsening COVID-19 lockdown situation in China that is creating sales and supply chain risks. With that as a backdrop, we expect second quarter sales to be in the range of $8.5 -8.8 billion, down 2% to up 2% on an organic basis, or flat to up 4% excluding the 1% impact of the mask sales decline and the 1% impact of lost Russian sales. This sales range assumes that COVID-19 lockdowns in China alleviate in May, and that the Chinese operating environment remains relatively normal.

Despite the ongoing macro uncertainties, we now expect full year sales of $35.5-36.4 billion, which represents an increase of $100 million on the low end from our prior guidance, up 4%-7% organically with accelerating growth as the year progresses. That represents organic growth of 6%-9%, excluding the 1% impact of the lower mask demand and 1% impact of lost Russian sales. We expect that our disciplined price actions will keep us ahead of the current inflationary environment, contributing approximately 5% to our sales growth, which is higher than we anticipated in our original guide and offsetting the majority of the approximately $400 million of lost Russia sales. Now let's take a moment to walk through the second quarter and full year expectations by segment.

An update on our 2022 end market outlook can be found in the appendix of this presentation. Starting with aerospace, the overall industry supply chain complex continues to be a challenge, though we do expect to see moderate improvement throughout the year. Sequential growth in flight hours will lead to another quarter of robust growth for our air transport and business and general aviation aftermarket businesses. This momentum will carry through to the end of 2022 with growth led by the air transport aftermarket. With build rates improving as expected, business and general aviation original equipment will grow sequentially each quarter for the balance of 2022. As 2022 progresses and our comps ease, defense and space will see sequential improvement from the first quarter and return to year-over-year growth in the second half. We still expect full-year organic sales growth for aerospace to be up high single digits%.

Growth in the original equipment will lead to mix-related margin headwinds throughout the year, but we expect aero margins to grow sequentially from the first half to the second half. In building technology, we expect momentum to continue with sales growth both sequentially and year over year throughout 2022 as supply chain constraints, particularly around semiconductors, begin to ease and we deliver on strong demand for fire and security products and building management systems. Our targeted pricing actions will also provide growth on top of that unlocked volume. We expect building solutions to return to growth in the second quarter and rebound well into the second half, finishing the year off strong. Underpinning the growth throughout the portfolio are our Healthy Buildings offerings, which will benefit from increased demand for air quality and touchless technologies. Higher government spending on infrastructure will provide additional growth opportunities for us as well.

Overall, we now expect full year organic sales growth of high single digits to double digits, trending better than expected. We continue to work diligently to combat the current inflationary environment, and our cost controls and pricing actions will ensure that we maintain and build upon our margin expansion in both the second quarter and the back half of the year. In performance materials and technologies, the macro setup remains favorable for our portfolio as we are uniquely positioned to both participate in the oil and gas reinvestment cycle as well as enable the energy transition. However, PMT has the largest exposure to Russia among our segments, and our decision to substantially suspend operations in the country represents a near term sales growth headwind, particularly in UOP.

Process Solutions products orders are expected to remain strong throughout the year, and volumes in the products businesses will increase as supply availability improves. In UOP, we see sequential improvement in the second quarter and throughout the year as catalyst reloads increase in refining markets, and we are encouraged by the order pipeline for our sustainable technologies. UOP is also a significant contributor to the liquefied natural gas capacity globally, and recent government announcements suggest incremental LNG capacity may ramp beyond what has already been committed, representing a promising opportunity for the business. Advanced materials pricing will continue to be a tailwind throughout the year, and we are expanding capacity to position ourselves for further growth. In total, we still expect PMT sales to be up mid- to high-single-digit % for the year.

PMT margins will benefit from our pricing and productivity actions, and we expect sequential and year-over-year margin expansion in 2Q and continued sequential improvements in the second half. Turning to safety and productivity solutions, we expect productivity solutions and services, advanced sensing technologies, and gas detection to build on their momentum from the first quarter and continue to grow throughout the year. These businesses saw year-over-year backlog growth of over 25% in 1Q and have demonstrated their ability to execute in difficult macro conditions, giving us confidence in the growth trajectory there, especially as the supply chain environment improves. Lower COVID-related mask demand will continue to be a year-over-year drag in 2Q, but as we enter the second half of the year, we'll lap the difficult pandemic comps. Personal protective equipment sales will return to growth, led by other product offerings in the portfolio.

In Intelligrated, we're encouraged by the progress we have made in improving our operational efficiency and profitability, and we're increasing our focus on project selectivity, finding the right balance between top and bottom-line growth, as we discussed. We still expect SPS sales to be flattish year-over-year for the full year, with sequential improvement each quarter. However, we anticipate margins to expand sequentially throughout the year as business mix, pricing, and volume compound. Now let me turn to our expectations for the other core guided metrics. For second quarter segment margins, we expect to be in the range of 20.5%-20.9%, resulting in 10-50 basis points of year-over-year margin expansion. Excluding the thirty basis points headwind from Quantinuum, we expect margins to expand 40-80 basis points.

Second quarter net below the line impact, which is the difference between segment profit and income before tax, is expected to be in the range of 0-$45 million, with a range of repositioning between $40 million and $80 million as we continue to fund ongoing restructuring projects. We expect the second quarter effective tax rate to be approximately 24%, and the average share count to be approximately 687 million shares. As a result, we expect adjusted second quarter earnings per share between $1.98 and $2.08, down 2% to up 3% year-over-year. Turning to the full year, we continue to expect segment margins to expand 10-50 basis points, supported by higher sales volumes, price cost management, and our continued rigor on fixed costs.

Excluding the 30 basis point headwind from Quantinuum, we expect margins to expand 40-80 basis points in the year. SPS will lead the margin expansion for the company as we continue to prioritize profitability in 2022 in that business, followed by HBT and PMT, with Aero about flat year-over-year. We continue to expect our full year net below the line impact to be in the range of negative $100 million to $50 million, including capacity for $300 -425 million of repositioning in the year.

We expect a full year effective tax rate of approximately 22%, and we now expect a weighted average share count to be in the range of 684-687 million shares for the year, reflecting our updated commitment to repurchase $4 billion of Honeywell shares in 2022. We have raised our full year earnings per share expectations to $8.50-$8.80, up 5%-9% adjusted, an increase of $0.10 on both ends versus our prior guidance due to our accelerated share repurchase commitment. We still expect to see free cash flow in the range of $4.7 -5.1 billion in 2022, or $4.9 -5.3 billion, excluding the impact of Quantinuum.

In total, we're raising our full year earnings per share guidance and increasing the midpoint of our sales range, absorbing the impact of external macroeconomic factors. Now let me turn it back to Darius to discuss our enhanced environmental commitment coming out of our recent Investor Day.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you, Greg. Let's turn to slide seven and talk about the more aspirational approach we're taking to our ESG commitments. ESG has been part of Honeywell's DNA for decades, and we have an established track record of success in this area. Since we stood up our sustainability program in 2004, we have achieved every one of the ambitious targets we have set for ourselves, reduced our greenhouse gas emissions intensity by approximately 90% while spending over $4 billion on remediation projects to restore thousands of acres of land for our communities. While we're thrilled in the successes we have had in the past, we believe we still have much to accomplish in the future.

We're currently on track to deliver on our 10-10-10 target set in 2019, further reducing our greenhouse gas emissions while deploying renewable energy projects and improving energy efficiency at our sites. In addition, last year we committed to achieving carbon neutral facilities and operations by 2035, a full 15 years earlier than the Paris Climate Accords. While these targets are successful in reducing our Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions, we didn't stop there. Earlier this year, we submitted a commitment to the Science Based Targets initiative to address our Scope 3 emissions across our value chain, lowering the environmental footprint of our products and continuing to innovate with products and services that help our customers reduce their own emissions. In addition to our ambitious sustainability targets, we've also enhanced our ESG disclosures with additional metrics on our investor relations website.

These include an ESG data sheet that has metrics for diversity, water, greenhouse gas, and more, a defense and space fact sheet that includes more detailed information on our sales makeup, and a document that breaks down Honeywell's many ESG-oriented offerings, which comprise more than 60% of our revenue today. Now, let's turn to slide eight for some closing thoughts before we move into Q&A. As always, our value creation framework helped us successfully navigate the quarter and over-deliver on our commitments. Most of our end markets will continue to recover, and we are optimistic about our future. Despite the ongoing geopolitical challenges, including approximately $400 million of lost Russian sales, we raised the midpoint of our full year sales range and increased our earnings per share expectation. Our value creation framework is working with the ongoing recovery of our end markets.

We remain optimistic about the future of our business. While there is a heightened level of macro uncertainty at present, we remain confident in our ability to execute on the pieces within our control. With that, Sean, let's move to Q&A.

Sean Meakim
VP of Investor Relations, Honeywell International

Thank you, Darius. Darius, Greg, Anne, and Torsten are now available to answer your questions. We ask that you please be mindful of others in the queue by only asking one question. Shannon, please open the line for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question is from Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Your line is open.

Julian Mitchell
Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Hi. Good morning.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Good morning.

Julian Mitchell
Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Good morning. Just wanted to understand maybe on the margins first. You know, so you're guiding for sort of the second quarter sequentially for revenues to be up maybe $300 million, margins down though sequentially. Just trying to understand sort of what are the main segment drivers of that. Within aerospace, was the Q1 margin performance in line with what you expected, and what's the conviction on that margin turning around through the year?

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. Well, let me start by saying the margins don't need to turn around. They're actually quite good at, you know, 27.4%. We're pretty happy with where they are. Yes, they were in line with what we had expected. We do see them coming down a bit in Q2, though, because as we've talked about, the OE equipment margins are, you know, not favorable to us, and so we are facing some mixed headwinds, which those will, you know, continue to challenge us as the year goes on. We also talked a lot about in our Investor Day our investment increases in R&D in particular, which again, are very important for some of our longer term programs. We feel good about where we are, but that is gonna be.

We do expect a little bit of a sequential tick down, you know, there in aerospace in particular. Probably get a little bit of a tick up in SPS. Those are really the two main movers overall. We will also have, you know, our corporate expense generally starts out a little slower in the early part of the year and, you know, ramps up again. That's not big dollars, but it, you know, as you know, every $10 million is about 10 basis points, you know, for the company. Those are really the three things I'd highlight.

Julian Mitchell
Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Thanks. Just one very quick follow-up would be on China sourcing. You said, I think, you're assuming in May the issues recede in terms of supply chain issues in China from lockdowns. Did you give any kind of dollar number for Q2 of the expected impact?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

I think, you know, Julian, that's really impossible to quantify. I mean, what we're assuming in our guidance range for Q2 is that essentially things come back to kinda normal state in May. That's the best data we currently have. If you think about our 20 manufacturing facilities that we have in China, about half of them are operating more or less normally, but and the other half are kind of impaired to some extent by either supply chain challenges inbound, and/or the operation itself. But we do expect that to improve in May and get back to normal with normal production, certainly in June, with a steady improvement in May. To quantify that right now would be impossible, but that underpins our guidance for Q2.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. If I just would add to that, I mean, how this all continues to happen in China, obviously no one can say for sure. If things like what goes on in Shanghai happen early in the quarter like they are right now, it's gonna impact our April. We're already seeing that. You know, assuming everything comes back, as Darius mentioned, if things open back up after the first week of May, then we've got plenty of time to, you know, sort of make up that volume and recover, you know, the shipping. You know, how will that, you know, present itself throughout the quarter and the rest of the year really is, you know, kind of unpredictable.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

As Greg pointed out, timing does matter. I mean, we expected a slightly softer April due to the outages. You know, when these outages kind of happen in month one, we have time to recover. If we get outages in month three, that's gonna be a much bigger problem. You know, frankly, that we're not anticipating that. We're anticipating a recovery.

Julian Mitchell
Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Understood. Thank you.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Tusa with JP Morgan. Your line is open.

Steve Tusa
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Hi. Good morning.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Good morning.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Hi, Steve.

Steve Tusa
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Two negatives and two positives. The first, could you just clarify maybe with a little more precision where you expect the aero margin to come in in the second quarter, just to kinda like, you know, kinda clear the decks on that? And then also on SPS, the warehouse business, how does that trend kind of sequentially as we go through the year? And then on the positive side, anything that you're seeing or embedding on a pickup in defense or oil and gas in the second half of the year? Or maybe is that stuff still out kind of in front of us? Thanks.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. I mean, let me maybe start on the second of your two questions. In terms of, you know, defense and space, our orders in Q1 were actually quite good. They were double-digit orders growth in defense and space. I wouldn't tell you that we're seeing a big uptick yet due to some of the geopolitical situation. We do think it could happen, but we're not gonna call it that it's gonna happen until we see it. You know, the orders growth in Q1, although good, is not really, you know, tied to any of the geopolitical situation. You know, in particular in HPS, we saw good orders growth in Q1. We actually anticipate some strong orders in UOP, particularly tied to some of our gas portfolio. That looks good.

That's sort of your second question, Greg.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. I don't know, Steve, we don't guide individual segments any longer. As you know, we've not done that for a while. You know, we do expect to see margins, you know, tick down in aerospace, less than 100 basis points, but, you know, more than zero. There's a range around, you know, those things as well, which is why we don't guide it any longer. As it relates to, you know, IGS, you know, that is a low single-digit margin business.

We expect that to go up each and every quarter by, you know, think about it as, you know, maybe 100-ish basis points per quarter, as we work our way through the 2021 jobs that we took the charge on for last year, which the completion of those, you know, will be at zero margin. We continue to get the benefit of the new projects and our execution improvements throughout the course of the year, which is why, again, we see both between that as well as volume leverage that we ought to get from our products businesses and the rest of the portfolio. That's why we see, you know, a pretty consistent margin expansion sequentially quarter after quarter after quarter in SPS, which is why

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

But-

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

It's our best. It's gonna be our best.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

for the rest of the year.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Just to add to that, I mean, you know, if you take a look at our backlog, which you've just provided, commercial activity is not our issue. I think commercial activity is about as strong as we've ever seen it. You see the improving backlog positions, orders positions, and I think this is all about supply chain. You know, and there's still unknowns around supply chain. I think on the semiconductor side, we probably have seen the bottom, but I would tell you the aerospace supply chain is still challenged. Our decommit rate from our suppliers is high. You know, that's why it's so hard to call this thing because when you get a pretty high decommit rate, it's difficult to call exactly what that's gonna look like in Q2, Q3, and Q4.

We remain optimistic that it's gonna continue to improve, but we've got to kind of see it in the numbers.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Okay, great. Thanks a lot, guys.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research. Your line is open.

Jeff Sprague
Founder and Managing Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Good morning. Good morning, Jeff.

Jeff Sprague
Founder and Managing Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Morning. Hey, I was wondering if you could share a little more color on the SAF project with APD, Air Products, right? I mean, kind of the, maybe the first really big benchmark deal that I've seen, billion-dollar project. Is there any way you can give us an idea of, just, you know, the Honeywell scope, in terms of kind of the front-end capital opportunity and then kind of what the kind of the ongoing recurring revenue on catalysts and other things might be on a project of that size and scope?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a couple of things. I would characterize it the following. You know, we don't release specific numbers to that project, but think about it as two dimensions. The first one is licensing and the technology itself, which can be recognized in one of two different ways, either an upfront paid-up license or a license that's recognized as a royalty rate as SAF is produced. Then the second stream being the use of the catalyst itself to actually drive that SAF conversion. You know, this is not the only project that we're gonna be involved with. When we look at SAF and green fuels, we've won something like a double-digit number of projects in the last, call it, six to nine months, as we've been on an incredible run.

It's just one example of what we do. You know, at some point, we're gonna give you a bit of a framework. We're not ready to share that yet in terms of exactly what it looks like, but it's gonna be definitely margin accretive. You should think about it very much like you said, as a recurring revenue base based on the catalyst reloads, which are gonna be required to drive either SAF or green fuels and green gasoline.

Jeff Sprague
Founder and Managing Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Right. Maybe just a housekeeping question for Greg. What was going on with minority interest in the quarter? Did something change with an ownership position? What would you point us to going forward there?

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

You know, minority interest, you're probably seeing the full quarter impact of Quantinuum, because if you remember, we closed that in December. Now we're getting a full quarter of that minority interest. You know, we get the consolidation of that, which you see in the P&L, which is all the OpEx, but then we get you know, the offset for our you know, our partner's 46% share going the other way.

Jeff Sprague
Founder and Managing Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Any direction on the go-forward or the full year on that item?

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

We can look at it separately in our call later. I'm not sure I have that right off the top of my head.

Jeff Sprague
Founder and Managing Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Great. All right. Thanks a lot. I'll pass it.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Davis with Melius Research. Your line is open.

Scott Davis
Chairman and CEO, Melius Research

Hi. Good morning, guys.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Good morning, Scott.

Scott Davis
Chairman and CEO, Melius Research

Anne. All right. Yes. In your full year guide of 4%-7%, you know, on volumes, how much of that is price? And are you still raising price? Do you still need to raise price to, you know, offset this inflation that doesn't seem to be, you know, going away?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah, no, you know, we are ongoing working our price. I mean, we basically are bumping up sort of the benefit of price by one percentage point. You know, I think the one thing that, Scott, that I think you picked up, I mean, essentially in this guide, it is a substantial raise to our guide range. I mean, we didn't explicitly say that, but it's obvious because we're basically absorbing a $400 million hit due to Russia with measured margin impact of over $100 million. So this is a fairly significant raise to our outlook. The way we can overcome that hit is through price, and we think now basically projecting an incremental point of price to a range of-

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

5%.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

5%.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah, we had talked about four in the original guide. We now see it as five. As you saw from the release, I mean, we were up 7% in the first quarter.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. Because, you know, we started doing these price increase a bit more aggressively in Q4 and Q1, you know, obviously as we get later in the year, that starts to lap itself. Although I will tell you know, that we're gonna stay on top of this thing, and we're continuing to chase inflation and trying to stay ahead. You know, obviously, we have to do more price increases here in Q2 to continue to stay ahead of it.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. Again, just simplistically, we lost a point from Russia. We picked up a point on price. We kept the overall organic number the same.

Scott Davis
Chairman and CEO, Melius Research

Okay. That's my one question. I'll pass it on. Thank you, guys.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Our next question comes from Nicole DeBlase with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Nicole DeBlase
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, guys.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Hey, Nicole.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Good morning.

Nicole DeBlase
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Just maybe digging into HPS and PMT a little bit more, what you're seeing from an order perspective, and if the higher oil price is reflecting its way through, you know, more interesting or advanced customer conversations?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah, no. I mean, I think as you saw in the quarter, we had very good order rates. I mean, double-digit north of 20% order rates in HPS. You know, UOP was a little lumpy. You know, frankly, our STS business was strong. Our UOP was a little bit less so. We expect a strong booking quarter in Q2 for UOP. You know, overall, particularly for UOP, we see strong orders growth, particularly as it relates to our natural gas-oriented portfolio. Think about, you know, absorbents, gas processing, midstream, LNG terminals and all that business. You know, it's, we're a big partner with Venture Global, for some of the projects that they're completing and their expansion.

Overall, we're very bullish in terms of what's going on, particularly as it relates to the gas infrastructure that's currently being built out, both in North America, the Middle East, and Europe.

Nicole DeBlase
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thanks, Darius.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Andrew Obin
Managing Director, Equity Research, Bank of America Securities

Yes, good morning. I'll ask sort of a long question. Short part, can you just talk about UOP revenue declined, sort of despite an easy comp and growing refinery output? Just what's the short-term explanation? I think I missed it. A longer-term question, how do you think about longer-term impact of Russian oil having to find new markets? I'm just sort of thinking about the fact that globally you'll need to recalibrate a lot of these refineries, right? First one, near term UOP, and second one, how do we think about longer-term opportunity on refinery upgrades? Thank you.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Sure, sure, Andrew Obin, I'll take the first one. From a short-term perspective, two simple things to think about. I mean, first off, the way we had our plan set up was we were gonna be completing some projects in UOP that had already been in flight. So we're gonna have, you know, as that winds down, we're gonna have a year-over-year comp in the equipment business in the early part of the year that'll be negative. We see the catalyst business growing throughout the remainder of the year, which is going to, you know, support the growth rate, more beyond that. The other aspect of that is, back to Russia as an example, the biggest place we're gonna see the impact of Russia is going to be in UOP.

UOP being down, I think it was 9% in the quarter, roughly 7% of that is from the loss of the Russia volume in one piece.

Andrew Obin
Managing Director, Equity Research, Bank of America Securities

Oh, wow.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. UOP gets disproportionately. You know, I talked about 1% hit for our revenues for the year. That's disproportionately UOP related, and you saw that already in Q1. That's just to help frame it out. As it relates to your second question, I mean, you know, essentially in terms of, you know, Russian oil, I mean, it simplistically said, instead of flowing west, we think it's gonna start flowing south. And, you know, I think, you know, the good news about us is that we have a global presence across the west and the south, and I think that benefits obviously a lot of our PMT businesses.

As I mentioned earlier, kind of the gas infrastructure build-out in Western Europe, which will take place both in Western Europe but also in the Middle East and, in the U.S., will also have a positive benefit to our business. All in all, I mean, I think we're well positioned there.

Andrew Obin
Managing Director, Equity Research, Bank of America Securities

How long do you think it would take to quantify for the industry?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

I mean, that's hard to answer right now. I think, you know, we're still kind of weeks into this conflict, so we'll see. I mean, we're obviously involved in a lot of the discussions of the new projects and so on, but. I'm very, very confident that any of the build-out that's gonna take place, particularly with our modular design concepts, which really revolutionized LNG. I'm quite confident that we're gonna be a player in that space.

Andrew Obin
Managing Director, Equity Research, Bank of America Securities

No, I figured as much. Thanks a lot.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Managing Director, Equity Research, Jefferies

Hi. Good morning, Darius, guys. Thank you. Can we talk about price a little bit more because it was really good in the quarter up 7%. You know, how are you seeing price and inflation across the business, given some are shorter cycle and some are longer cycle like aerospace. Can you maybe quantify what you saw across the business segments, the inflation burden or the price mix benefit?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah, I mean, let me start. I mean, if you think about price cost or price inflation, think about a seven and five number in that kind of neighborhood. I mean, you know, you know, this is really the benefit of Honeywell Digital. You know, we talked a lot about that in Investor Day, but I now can tell you exactly on the impact of price cost for every of our 37 business units and exactly what it's gonna look like going forward for the next three quarters. I can tell you that in bits. It's really enabled us to establish an operating system where we know what we need to do in terms of price. We know what we do in terms of coverage and where that business unit will be.

You know, it's a weekly rhythm that we're on through all the business units. As a matter of fact, we've got a meeting later on today to talk about that topic, and we continue to stay on top of it. But it's not as simple in some businesses than others. I mean, some businesses, we have contractual obligations, contractual limitations in terms of what we can pass on and when. You know, we're finding ways to do that. I mean, everybody knows that inflation is with us. It's probably gonna continue to be with us. We're gonna stay diligent, and we're very pleased with our results and able to stay ahead of the price cost equation. Do you have anything to add?

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah, to your point, just maybe expanding on your contractual obligations and also protections, but we have some protections as well. As you could probably guess, the price equation is greater in SPS, HBT, PMT, and we're a little bit more constrained, but also a little bit more protected in aerospace, where we have more of the longer term contracts.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Managing Director, Equity Research, Jefferies

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Josh Pokrzywinski with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Josh Pokrzywinski
Senior Multi-Industry Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hi, good morning, guys.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Hey, Josh.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Good morning.

Josh Pokrzywinski
Senior Multi-Industry Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hey, good morning. Just a question on the supply chain side. I mean, I think we're still kind of, you know, hit or miss in terms of companies out there seeing improvement into 2Q and over the balance of the year. Seems like, particularly in HBT, maybe some in SPS, a bit more kind of sequential improvement through the year than maybe others have seen. Is this finding more suppliers? Is it kind of an overall commentary that you guys have seen out of all the buzz? Kind of surprised that the China lockdowns have an impact, but could you speak to sort of how you're getting that improvement?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah, I mean, there's, yeah, there's a lot of variables here. Let me try to unpack it a little bit. I mean, HBT and SPS, although the supply chain is complex due to the variety installed base of our products, you know, it is somewhat contained primarily to the semiconductors. When we think about semiconductors, you're talking about the five-10 core suppliers that we're monitoring. So it's actually a little bit easier for us to get our arms around the situation and know when things will come in, when they won't come in, and we're cautiously optimistic about an improving supply source coming through for Q2, Q3, and Q4. Frankly, looking into Q2 from the beginning, vis-à-vis Q1 or Q4, we actually looked a little bit better than we did in the other quarter.

We have reason to be cautiously optimistic, provided we don't get decommits on semiconductors. Now when you get into the aero segments, it actually becomes a bit more challenged. To give you some very specific numbers, our level of decommits, which is sort of last minute cancellations or pushouts, was at a level of 22%. I mean, that's what makes it so difficult. It was actually worse than Q4, where it was about 19%. We're counting on some improvement in Q2 and Q3 and Q4. Now you're not talking about, you know, less than 10 suppliers. You're talking about tens, if not hundreds of suppliers. Trying to really figure out exactly how well they're gonna deliver and when it becomes more challenging. Obviously, we've deployed our own people, our own resources to that supply base to help them through some of their capacity challenges.

We've got a program around it. It is challenged, and I can't tell you that, you know, we have a full and perfect view as to exactly what's going to happen. We're working through it, and as you can see, we certainly have the backlog more than to support the business. You know, we're not just watching. We're actually doing, and we've got a substantial force of people to just work the aero supply chain.

Josh Pokrzywinski
Senior Multi-Industry Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good detail. Appreciate it.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director, Head of US Capital Goods Equity Research, Wolfe Research

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the question.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Morning.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director, Head of US Capital Goods Equity Research, Wolfe Research

Before I get into my question is, we've got a few inbounds just to clarify the comments on China. Did you say early May, I think particularly May, in terms of the Shanghai lockdowns, you know, moderating?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. I mean, you know, that target keeps moving, but we think, you know, certainly in the first half of May, we expect some ease down, ease in terms of that Shanghai lockdown. That's what we're built into our guide for Q3 right now.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director, Head of US Capital Goods Equity Research, Wolfe Research

Okay, great. Thanks. Thanks, Darius. Then, just a follow on with the supply chain constraints, particularly in aero. You know, the commercial aftermarket up 20%-20%, you know, not too shabby, but you know, is that growth and that ramp up, that recovery being constrained by supply chain? I.e., it's not just OE and defense, it's also aftermarket. Then within the aftermarket recovery, are we seeing yet the wide body sort of ramp coming through yet, or is that still on the come?

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

It absolutely is going to be a constraint on the aftermarket's part of the business. Certainly our MSP power by the hour is gonna be rev rec just based on flight hours. The bit of that that's tied to spares and repairs is gonna have a physical constraint for sure. That's also, by the way, exactly what creates a little bit of our margin pressure as well because we've got firm commitments to our OEs, and so that creates a bit of a squeeze between where the products will go in the chain and what the profitability around that is. That is for sure an issue.

Are we seeing some return to wide body travel? We are. I wouldn't call it dramatic at this point in Q1, but we are seeing a little bit of a sequential, you know, move there. We've said all along, that is really going to be tied very much to, you know, travel across the globe as opposed to domestically. You know, when it particularly with China, you know, locking down and that curtails, of course, you know, anything in and out of China, you know, even longer.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah. To be you know just a couple of other things. I mean, as Greg pointed out, wide-body travel has been still constrained and limited, and that's you know still upside to go for us, you know, given particularly our installed base on those aircraft. You know the fact is if you look at our backlog position, we're in tremendous shape in aerospace. You know probably the biggest issues we see in defense and space where we have a growing pass-through backlog at a faster rate than even some of the other segments. Really we don't, we're not that worried about the commercial inbound, you know, and we saw just an incredible order rate, strong double-digit order rate in Q1.

You know, all our focus is really on output and the supply chain.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah, no.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

You know, we get that going.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Yeah

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Things get very, very good very, very quickly because.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Just again, to put some numbers behind it, we talked about our pass-through backlog going up half a billion dollars in the quarter, about $200 million, that was in aero. About half of that was in defense and space, but the other half was in commercial. There is clearly, you know, there's clearly an impact in both areas. But as Darius said, I mean, as that unlocks, then, you know, the volume and the levers that'll come along with that, you know, are really attractive.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director, Head of US Capital Goods Equity Research, Wolfe Research

That's great color. Thank you.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Deane Dray
Managing Director, Multi-Industry & Electrical Equipment Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Hey, Deane.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Hey, good morning, Deane.

Deane Dray
Managing Director, Multi-Industry & Electrical Equipment Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

I'd like to stay in Aero. If I look at the segment outlook, the defense and space being flat surprises me a bit. At the analyst meeting, Darius, you said you would not be surprised to see that be at high single digits this year given the uptick in international defense budgets. Is it the fact that the U.S. defense budget is flat offsets that, but, you know, why is that Aero not pointing higher?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Well, because we're really not seeing a lot of new orders yet due to some of the geopolitical conflicts to replenish the inventories. I mean, I think. By the way, checking with some of the other OEs, that's not necessarily unusual, so that could be an uptick. You know, when we talked about Investor Day, there was some built-in optimism around that coming in, and I still think it will happen. I'm just not gonna call it yet until we actually see the orders coming through. Having said that, we did see double-digit orders growth in defense and space in Q1 just naturally without the addition of pluses in the defense budgets. I think, you know, it could still be at that level. I'm just not gonna call that until we actually see it more pronounced in our orders rate.

I'm still optimistic that it will happen.

Deane Dray
Managing Director, Multi-Industry & Electrical Equipment Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thank you.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Thank you, Deane.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Shannon, we have time for one more question.

Operator

Our last question is from Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Andy Kaplowitz
Managing Director and U.S. Industrial Sector Head, Citigroup

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for fitting me in.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Hey, Andy.

Greg Lewis
SVP and CEO, Honeywell International

Hey, Andy. Good morning.

Andy Kaplowitz
Managing Director and U.S. Industrial Sector Head, Citigroup

There's 9%, the highest backlog growth Honeywell's recorded this cycle and despite macro uncertainty. Do you think the higher backlog's just a reflection of the handoff in your businesses from short to long cycle demand? Or is this maybe a function of the fact that if we go back to what you said during the heart of the pandemic, that Honeywell's portfolio wasn't really set up well in the pandemic, maybe the opposite's happening now, and would you expect your orders and backlog trajectory to stay at these elevated levels for a while?

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

You just nailed it, Andy. Yeah, that's exactly, you've got it exactly right, which is, you know, as we look at, we look at short cycle, longer cycle, and you see now a little bit of a transition from it's slow because short cycle is still very good for us. Now we're starting to slowly see the long cycle coming through. You see it in our backlog, you see it in our order rates, and now it's the time of the cycle where the long cycle businesses will start to have a bit more traction. You know, a lot of people are saying there may not be a recession in next six to 12 to 18 months, but I certainly hope it doesn't happen.

If it does, I actually think that Honeywell can weather the storm quite well, given the kind of backlog position in the markets we're in, which is energy and aerospace, which frankly have been hurt disproportionately hard during the pandemic and now are starting to come back strong. I'm very, very optimistic about kind of the position, the backlog we're in. I think you said it exactly right. We're seeing kind of a transition occurring slowly but surely, and it's not because our short cycle is weak, but the long cycle is now starting to slowly pick up.

Andy Kaplowitz
Managing Director and U.S. Industrial Sector Head, Citigroup

Appreciate it, Darius.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Yep. Thank you, Andy?

Operator

Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Darius Adamczyk for closing remarks.

Darius Adamczyk
Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

I want to thank our shareholders for your ongoing support. We delivered strong first quarter results in a typical Honeywell fashion, and have and will continue to navigate the numerous uncertainties through operational rigor and agility in order to drive superior shareholder returns. Thank you all for listening, and please stay safe and healthy.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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