Intercontinental Exchange, Inc. (ICE)

Earnings Call: Q1 2014

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May 8, 2014

Good morning, and welcome to the InterContinental Exchange First Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. And I would now like to turn the conference over to Kelly Loeffler. Please go ahead. Good morning. ICE's Q1 2014 earnings release and presentation can be found in the Investors section of our website at theice.com. These items will be archived and our call will be available for replay. Today's call may contain forward looking statements. These statements, which we undertake no obligation to update, represent our current judgment and are subject to risks, assumptions and uncertainties. For a description of the risks that could cause our results to differ materially from those described in forward looking statements, please refer to the company's Form 10 ks. Please note that in addition to the GAAP results presented today, we've also referred to our adjusted operating results. These measures adjust our GAAP results for various extraordinary items, including our acquisition of NYSE Euronext, and we believe are more reflective of our core business performance than our GAAP results. You'll find a non GAAP reconciliation in the earnings release and presentation and an explanation of why we deem this information to be meaningful as well as how management uses these measures. Net revenue refers to revenue net of transaction based expenses. With us on the call today are Jeff Sprecher, Chairman and CEO Scott Hill, Chief Financial Officer and Chuck Weiss, President and Chief Operating Officer. I'll now turn the call over to Scott. Thank you, Kelly. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'll begin on Slide 4, where we highlight our record results and the significant progress we've made during the quarter. Consolidated net revenues totaled $932,000,000 including strong contributions across our transaction, clearing and data businesses. We believe this performance demonstrates the value of the diversification of our global products and markets, particularly in light of the muted volumes in certain energy and interest rate markets. We continue to focus on disciplined expense management and have now achieved over $220,000,000 in synergies, double where we were in the Q4 and well on track to the achievement of our stated objectives. And as a result of our strong revenue and expense performance, we delivered double digit earning growth with adjusted diluted earnings per share of $2.60 up 28%. Through the 1st 4 months of 2014, we continue to make good progress on our integration and restructuring plans, including the planned IPO of Euronext and NYXT divestitures, along with the integration of Life into ICE Futures Europe. Even as we work on reorganizing and integrating NYSE Euronext, we remain focused on establishing new opportunities for future growth. We continue to expand our product offerings during the Q1. And in February, we completed the acquisition of the Singapore Mercantile Exchange and Clearing House, which we've renamed to ICE Future Singapore and ICE Clear Singapore. As you can see, it's been a busy and productive start to 2014. Please now turn to Slide 5, where I'll detail our Q1 results. Consolidated net revenues of $932,000,000 benefited from strength across our agricultural emissions and refined oil products, U. S. Equity options, Euronext cash trading and CDS clearing. This revenue performance reflects growth of 1% compared to pro form a Q1 2013 results. Further adjusting the prior year pro form a results to reflect the business is now being reported as discontinued operations, we've yielded revenue growth of 4% year over year. Adjusted operating expenses were $463,000,000 and our consolidated adjusted operating margin was 50%. This is a notable improvement from the 45% pro form a operating margin we showed you on our November 19 strategic and financial update call. Adjusted operating expenses actually came in better than our guidance due to a number of one off benefits, which were partially offset by negative currency impact in the other expense line. Our first quarter expenses, excluding the one off benefit, would have landed in the lower end of our guidance range and operating margin still would have been a solid 49%. Our tax rate for the Q1 was 28%. Adjusted net income attributable to ICE grew 14% on a pro form a basis to $301,000,000 and adjusted EPS were $2.60 per share. And importantly, operating cash flows were $519,000,000 which is up 16% versus the combined operating cash flows of the 2 companies in the Q1 of 2013. And while you can't extrapolate 1st quarter cash flows to the full year due to annual listings, billings and bonus payments, the Q1 results clearly demonstrate our ability to generate strong cash flow. This cash generation will enable us to delever, repurchase shares and continue to invest in future growth, including investments in operational capital expenditures and capitalized software, which were $49,000,000 in the quarter. Let's move to slide 6, where we detail revenues and expenses for the ICE segment. On the left side of the chart, you can see that ICE segment revenues were $796,000,000 with nearly $500,000,000 coming from net transaction clearing revenue. Market data revenues were $103,000,000 including record revenue from ICE data. NYSE listings generated $82,000,000 in revenue and other revenue contributed $114,000,000 in the first quarter. On the right side of the chart, you can see I segment expenses. 1st quarter adjusted expenses were $382,000,000 and adjusted operating margin was 52%. As I mentioned previously, we had roughly $8,000,000 in one off non cash compensation and tax accrual benefits in the Q1. Even adjusting for those benefits and including an anticipated increase in our 2nd quarter performance based compensation due to the timing of grants in 2014, the I segment operating margin still would have been around 51%. Now let's turn to slide 7, where I'll discuss the Euronext segment, which delivered a strong start to 2014. Net revenues for the Q1 were $136,000,000 with 44% from cash trading, 22% from market data and 13% from derivatives trading. This performance was driven by solid volume growth in cash equities where ADV increased 16% year over year and was amplified by a 7% increase in revenue capture versus the prior quarter. While Euronext derivatives volume decreased slightly, revenue capture actually increased. Euronext operating margin were 41% and net income was $36,000,000 for the Q1 of 2014. And importantly, these strong financial metrics do not yet reflect either the clearing economics Euronext began earning in April or the €60,000,000 in cost synergies the Euronext management team expects to deliver over the next 3 years. As a leading pan European equities and derivatives platform in Europe, Euronext is led by a strong management team, produces strong cash flows and has low capital requirements. We continue to see a gradual improvement of the European economy and anticipate that this will enable Euronext to build upon the solid performance we saw in the Q1. Moving on to Slide 8, I'll discuss our derivatives revenue and volumes in greater detail. Total futures and options revenue including net revenue for U. S. Equity options for the Q1 was $357,000,000 Notably, while volume trends were soft across energy and financials, we delivered revenue growth year to year in our derivatives business as a result of the addition of clearing for interest rates, a favorable mix in energy and interest rate contracts and solid revenue growth in our agriculture products. Daily volumes for futures and options in the quarter were 6,600,000 contracts, a decrease of 13% year to year. However, daily volumes across Ag and emission contracts were both up double digits year to year. Our Ag revenues in the Q1 were $54,000,000 up 25% over last year's Q1, due mainly to weather affecting crops in Brazil and price volatility across sugar, cocoa and coffee. The volume strength in ags and emissions was offset by decreases in volume driven by low levels of volatility in our Brent Gas Oil and North American natural gas market. However, despite the volume declines in natural gas, thanks to the strong performance in our European natural gas market, overall natgas revenues actually increased slightly versus the prior year. And while the ice gas oil futures contract volumes continue to be impacted by the transition to the low sulfur contract specification, The transition will be completed at the end of May, which should help volumes return to more normalized levels. Interest rate futures volumes declined in the quarter as absolute rates remained low, particularly in Uribor. Despite lower overall volume, interest rates contributed $80,000,000 in revenue in the quarter, which includes clearing revenues that were not included in last year's Q1 due to 3rd party clearing arrangements. Before leaving that slide, I want to note that although we have seen softer volumes in some of our benchmark energy contracts, open interest trends remain healthy. As we closed the Q1, we saw record open interest across many of our benchmark contracts, including Brent and Ag, which were up 16% 14%, respectively, from the end of 2013. And as we've seen before, once volatility and seasonal activity returns, healthy open interest levels generally translate into volume growth. Next on Slide 9, I'll update you on our CDS business. We reported CDS revenues of $43,000,000 in the 1st quarter, driven by record clearing revenues of $26,000,000 which were up 64% compared to the prior Q1. We believe that market participants see the value of clearing CDS on the ICE clearing platform due to the investments we've made, which ensure that we have the most comprehensive global offering and risk framework. In March, we launched clearing for market iTrack senior financial CDS index instrument and 2 weeks ago ICE Clear Europe began clearing Western European sovereign CDS. Moving on to slide 10, I'll talk about our strong cash generation and capital management. We closed the quarter with over $1,000,000,000 in unrestricted cash and short term investments and we generated operating cash flow of $519,000,000 up 16% from the prior year. We expect to continue to generate strong cash flows from operations as well as from the Euronext IPO and the divestiture of certain NYSE Technologies businesses. We intend to use this cash flow to delever to our adjusted debt to EBITDA target of 1.5 times, continue investing for growth and resume our share buyback program. We remain focused on delivering returns on investment that are above our cost of capital and better than our peers. And we declared our intention to pay a 0.6 $5 per share dividend again in the 2nd quarter. Finally, during the quarter, we worked to further optimize our debt structure. On April 3, we entered into a new 5 year $3,000,000,000 unsecured revolving credit facility and used our commercial paper to pay down our $367,000,000 term loan. For the balance of 2014, we expect quarterly interest expense in the range of 24 $1,000,000 to $25,000,000 which is lower than our prior guidance. Let's move to Slide 11, where we've highlighted a few items to clarify our financial reporting questions. I won't walk through the entire slide, but we'll touch briefly on the I segment other revenue, which was $114,000,000 in the Q1. There are several revenue streams that comprise this line item such as technology services, trading license fees and regulatory and listed company service fees among others. As part of the integration process, we have now moved the life clearing fees out of other revenues and into transaction and clearing revenues for the Q1. Previously, life clearing revenues were reported in the other revenue lines rather than transaction and clearing revenue. As you would expect, this resulted in our reported Q1 RPC being understated for Ags, Metals and Financials. Therefore, on this slide, we updated RPC to include clearing. This was also reflected in our April volume release and had no impact to total revenues. I'll conclude my remarks on slide 12 with an update to our current guidance. Please note that our guidance includes Euronext and excludes non strategic NYSE Technologies businesses that are reported in discontinued operations. For the Q2 2014, we expect that other revenues will be in the range of 120 dollars to $130,000,000 Adjusted consolidated operating expenses for the 2nd quarter are expected to be between $485,000,000 to $495,000,000 The increase in 2nd quarter expense guidance versus that provided in the 1st quarter is due to roughly $15,000,000 in additional expenses in the Euronext business. This is primarily driven by $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 related to investments required to operate Euronext on a standalone basis and $9,000,000 to $10,000,000 related to Euronext's new derivatives clearing arrangement, which began on April 1. Notably, that clearing arrangement is also expected to generate $16,000,000 to $17,000,000 of incremental revenue in the 2nd quarter, assuming volumes are similar to the Q1. For the ICE segment, adjusted for the one off items noted previously, we expect adjusted operating expenses to be relatively stable in the range of $390,000,000 to $400,000,000 for the Q2. And for the full year of our synergies or $350,000,000 as we exit 2014. For the Q2 of 2014, we expect capital expenditures and capitalized software of $60,000,000 to $65,000,000 and for the year, we will invest $200,000,000 to $210,000,000 excluding real estate expenditures. This figure is higher than our previous CapEx guidance due to investments to standardize and increase the efficiency of our technology platform at the NYSE. D and A expense for 2014 is expected to be between $360,000,000 $370,000,000 including $85,000,000 to $90,000,000 in the 2nd quarter. Finally, we continue to expect an effective tax rate of between 27% 30%. We are well into the 2nd quarter and are continuing to respond to our customers' needs through product innovation, risk management and compliance solutions. We are executing on our strategic initiatives and are well positioned to continue to grow our revenues, achieve double digit earnings growth and generate strong cash flows and value for our shareholders. I'll be happy to take your questions during our Q and A session. Jeff, over to you. Thank you, Scott. That was a lot to digest. Today, I'd like to cover our energy and interest rate futures business, provide some thoughts on U. S. Equity market structure and discuss the progress that we've made on integrating NYSE Euronext. Over the long term, trading and risk management activities continue to move on exchange and into clearing houses. While this trend was already underway and we began clearing energy swaps in 2,002, it was only accelerated with the implementation of Dodd Frank. With the MiR implementation taking place in Europe over the next year, the trend towards clearing is also playing out there. We're focused on meeting regulatory requirements and the demand for new products and capital efficiency. We're expanding our reach globally, most recently into Asia to address the demand for market infrastructure. We believe that Asia will also implement financial reforms focused on enhancing risk management and supporting the development of regulated clearinghouses. Shifts in the global economy are driving demand as the Pan Asian region moves to becoming the largest global consumer of commodities. With economic and regulatory change reshaping markets around the world, our geographic and product diversity across commodity and financial products and our ability to evolve as markets change position us very well for the long term. You can see the breadth of our energy markets on Slide 13, including the expansion activity through economic cycles and through regulatory change. Since the beginning of the financial crisis in 2,008, our energy revenues have grown at a compound rate of 13% annually. And this is consistent with Ice Futures Europe's 17 consecutive years of record volume. On the slide, you can see the strong base of revenue across a diversified mix of energy products, which are relied upon each day by global energy companies and consumers. While financial reform has had the effect of pushing some banks to exit their physical commodities operation, we continue to see a strong role for banks as they facilitate customer business in these markets. And consistent with our focus on commercial end users, you can see in our commitment of Trader Reports that well over half of our open interest in energy is from commercial market participants. Moving forward to slide 14, we've highlighted some of the trends underlying our global oil business. Brent crude volumes were softer in Q1 due to multi year lows and price volatility with prices locked in a tight range. In addition, the forward pricing curve for Brent was in contango for the Q1, while the WTI market stayed in backwardation. Nevertheless, open interest grew at a healthy clip and stands at record levels. As you can see with the green line, you can see the over 80% compound annual growth rate in our suite of refined oil products. This demonstrates how the benchmark Brent contract has attracted customers who now trade a full range of refined oil products. Today, our oil contracts number over 400. In the Q2, we expect to launch 64 new energy contracts, over 20 of which are oil products. I'll also point out the contracts represented by the blue bars on the same chart represent products where our market share has grown from 0 to over 13% in just a few years' time. This represents meaningful capital efficiencies at the clearing level. Moving to Slide 15. You can see the trends in our global natural gas markets. While North American natural gas volumes have declined year to year during the past several quarters, average daily volume for the Q1 was 25 percent above the Q1 of 2010 and open interest has doubled and remained significantly above pre crisis levels. This demonstrates solid growth in the user base and in demand for hedging. And while U. S. Natural gas prices lack volatility in the last months, this is a solid business due to the increasingly important role that natural gas holds both in North America and around the world. On the right side of the slide, you can see the robust growth in our natural gas contracts traded on ICE Futures Europe, particularly following our acquisition and subsequent launch of the ICE Endex business last year. Through ICE Endex, we now list the primary European gas benchmarks and the efficiencies of this model are driving growth. I've long spoken about our view of the increasing globalization of natural gas products. And this quarter, you can see this trend in our results. As a result of the solid performance in the non U. S. Natural gas markets, ICE's total natural gas revenues actually increased 1% during the quarter, where European volume growth of 64% offset the double digit decline in our North American volume. Turning to interest rates on the next few charts, starting on Slide 16, you can see the underlying trends in our life interest rates complex. First, daily volumes have returned and in some cases exceeded pre crisis levels. And this is despite a low interest rate environment impacting our benchmark short term contract, the Euribor future. However, open interest across our European interest rate futures complex is up 21% from the start of this year. On Slide 17, you can see one of the primary drivers within the life rates complex is the sterling futures contract, where daily volumes grew 30% in the Q1 and open interest over 80% from year end. This contract is a proxy for U. K. Economic sentiment and expectations for the Bank of England's actions on interest rates. With economic indicators improving, the short Sterling contract has been active. On Slide 18, you can see the diversity of our growing interest rate complex. Growth in our GIL futures volumes reflect the rising demand for rate hedging further out the yield curve, where we've grown volume and interest over 2 years. Volume in the swap note contract, which was the first launched futures swap the futures interest rate product and now in its 13th year was up 32% over last year's Q1 with open interest increasing double digits over the same period. Last month, we introduced the ultra long GILT futures contract, which has attracted solid volume growth and open interest since our launch. These products are not only performing well, but they'll be joined by 21 new European interest rate contracts that we're introducing this quarter. So you can see that we're very engaged in building out a leading European rates platform. In addition, our team is working to ensure a smooth transition of the life markets to the ICE Futures platform by year end. We believe that this investment will create operational and capital efficiencies that will drive value for customers and for shareholders. Moving now to Slide 19, I want to note the strength of our listings business for two reasons. 1st, because the New York Stock Exchange continues to lead in the amount of capital raised as well as in technology IPOs as we move to the halfway point of 2014. But more importantly, I want to talk about the importance of a healthy market for our issuers. It's vital that we continue to attract companies to the public markets because they trust the fairness and stability of these markets. The pie will grow for all if investor confidence in markets is strong. The U. S. Capital markets are the deepest, most liquid markets in the world for capital raising, and they're a key source of competitiveness of our economy globally. Access to public capital fuels innovation and creates jobs for economies around the world. Issuers and investors need confidence that the markets are transparent and that they are fair. It's that trust and confidence that keeps the flywheel of capital flowing. In this regard, let me address a few ideas around how we can improve the structure in our equity market. For the past year, I've suggested that this market could be simplified and that the pendulum has swung too far on complexity. While a year ago my comments were not widely supported within our industry, the current conversation has led to increasing support and an opportunity to dialogue in earnest on the important issues facing this industry. You can see on Slide 20, many of the developments that ICE brought to improve confidence in the commodity and derivative markets that we serve. It's important to note that this progress is a result of the extensive work with our customers and our regulators. And as we bring our experience into derivatives, we'll continue to work closely with customers and regulators to drive positive change in the equity markets that we serve. Many parties share responsibility for today's market model, including incumbent exchanges like the New York Stock Exchange. Most importantly, we in the industry must provide the leadership to respond to needed change. And we're encouraged by the SEC's work and recent comments acknowledging the need to address market complexity. Years ago, the market's reaction to a perceived lack of transparency and fairness was to create competition at the exchange level. Ultimately, this went further than most could have anticipated, and this has led to extreme fragmentation with over 50 venues to trade the same listed securities. While a national market system linking these venues together is a worthy goal, it has resulted in an overly complex structure with many unintended consequences. Historically, markets naturally formed up in a single venue to establish liquidity and the best price discovery. Today's fragmentation of such standardized markets is unnatural for the ultimate end user and it tends to be promoted by those who seek to benefit from access to better information. With extreme fragmentation, buyers and sellers have no choice but to seek to form a single price discovery stream by employing smart order routers, algorithms and high frequency strategies. And to maintain liquidity, you've seen the convergence of market makers and high frequency trading firms with very little means to distinguish meritorious activity from that which can be disruptive. What I believe is being launched in the evolution of the U. S. Equity market is that the essential form of competition that we should be improving is that between the buyers and sellers of securities, both of whom are seeking to discover the best price for themselves. This means that the concept of competition should not be focused exclusively on creating more exchange venues, whose propagation continues with no end in sight. There seems to be no justification now that studies are showing that pricing benefits are being reversed and where the public price discovery function for end users is being weakened. It's certainly a positive fact that technology and automation has tightened bid offer spreads, but the fragmentation and instability of the market today has also increased its risk and complexity. In a Monday article in USA TODAY, it comments, quote, This week marks the 4th anniversary of the brutal frass crash that rocketed markets on May 6, 2010 and is a stark reminder of how little has changed. Our market structure might have created a better pie with lower exchange fees and tighter spreads, but it is a shrinking pie that fewer want to consume. Americans are seeking other investments instead of providing the fuel to our listed companies. It's also a positive fact that technology and competition in U. S. Equity markets dramatically reduced exchange fees and improved access. For example, a retail customer buying 100 shares of stock may pay $9.95 to an online broker, not $800 as in times past. Today, if that trade was routed to a U. S. Regulated exchange, the revenue capture would average about $0.02 In other words, an amount that is insignificant to that total transaction. Only about $0.02 would go to an exchange on a $10 broker commission. Similarly, a large institutional fund manager buying 100 shares of stock today would pay their broker something like $1 The U. S. Exchange capture is yet again about $0.02 similarly insignificant to this transaction and so low that it should not justify the existence of off exchange trading as a need to avoid excessive exchange fees, particularly where there is an absence of meaningful price or size improvement. And by definition, the avoidance of transacting on a regulated exchange is also the avoidance of regulatory oversight and the removal of price signals that contribute to the public price formation process. We've advocated for the regulatory elimination of maker taker fees, coupled with a reduction and equalization of access fees in the U. S. Equity markets. This would expose the low exchange capture fees that I just mentioned directly to all market participants. Make or taker fees also create incentives for intermediaries to potentially place their own interests ahead of the obligation to customers. And I believe the vast majority of brokers are honest actors who want to place their customers' interests first, but they're being put in an increasingly untenable position with regard to best execution requirements. And in order to protect market participants for regulatory breaches and while availing themselves of make or take rebates, execution venues have further complicated markets by creating order types that play into make or take or capture, such as the well named, high don't slide among others. The imbalance in maker taker fees creates fee arbitrageurs that add to market volume, while simply trying to buy on one exchange and sell on another in risk free trades, while not actually wanting to own stocks. Encouraging transient liquidity signals is potentially as risking as encouraging transient price signals, because traders not only rely on price information, they also rely on volume information when making trading decisions. The SEC has already placed limits on exchange fees, and thus we believe that these limits could be updated to eliminate make or take or pricing, while equalizing exchange access fees at lower levels for all investors. The New York Stock Exchange has significant opportunity to offer solutions that rebuild confidence and protect shareholder value. And we believe that we can start by unilaterally reducing the excessive complexity that exists today, such as the proliferation of border types. Therefore, as a first step towards making our markets less complex, we will voluntarily reduce the number of order types at our U. S. Equity exchanges. We've identified over 1 dozen existing order types that we plan to apply to the SEC for rule changes to eliminate. And beyond that, we will continue to evaluate our other order types to identify those that may not be providing the market with true utility. Too many of these order types were developed in an attempt to replicate dark pool trading or to segment the market to try to attract one type of investor over another type of investor. The SEC has recently completed a comprehensive audit of order types, and we believe that exchanges and dark pools should adopt a moratorium on creating any new types of orders. We had a spirited internal debate on whether we should unilaterally begin eliminating order types and certainly there were some who did not initially like this idea. You see, we have a half a dozen or so more new order types that are in the works, and some of them have already been built into our matching engines and are ready to launch. These new order types are smart, they're innovative and some may really put the hurt on our competition. However, I suspect that they will further fragment the U. S. Equities market, which will ultimately hurt investors. My colleagues worry that our competition won't share our end user concerns and they'll continue to develop products that will further fragment the market. If this is so, I reminded them that maybe we should be paying our competitors' salaries, because I believe they're setting themselves up for long term failures. Today, the average order size on the 5 largest alternative trading venues has fallen to a little more than 200 shares, an amount that is near or in some cases below the size of regulated market order fills. As smart order routers are now slicing up orders into small digestible bites, today there is very little difference between retail order fills and large institutional order fills, increasingly In light of a number of articles that I've recently seen, I want to also spend a moment to describe our market data offerings. Our U. S. Equity exchanges produce and sell raw data feeds, which include every single quote and cancellation that is submitted to the matching engine. Pursuant to an agreement we have with the SEC, we make sure that our raw data feeds are not made available to customers any sooner than the data is made available to the National Securities Information Processors, also known as SIPs. So in other words, it's a rule that everyone received the raw data feed at the same time, including the SIPs. Now the major broker dealers are co located in our facilities and receive raw data feeds at the same time as latency sensitive traders. And unlike other regulated markets where ICE operates that allow for direct access, broker dealers are the sole access point for customer trade execution on U. S. Equity exchanges. You and I as investors do not choose where our trades are routed to, and we're not allowed to access U. S. Equity exchanges directly. Therefore, as long as a co located broker dealer's interests are aligned with its customers' interests, retail and institutional customers of major broker dealers should see no speed advantage and no speed disadvantage in these markets. Now, some have called for us to further slow down the raw data feeds to match the output of the SIPs. But this would likely have exactly the opposite impact that its proponents are trying to achieve. Recall that traders currently receive their trade confirmations from matching engines engines at their native speeds. And active traders who are constantly buying and selling small numbers of shares see stocks move through various price levels by employing this trading strategy. If the raw data were delayed to match the output of the SIP, this would give active traders significantly earlier knowledge of stock movements well before the public as a result of their active trade confirmations. This time advantage would be big enough to drive a truck through. That's why simply slowing down the raw data feed would only create more problems. However, we do believe that there are a number of solutions that could be enacted to better ensure parity, so long as they were adopted by the entire industry. We could slow the raw data feeds or combine the raw data and the SIPs into single feeds or use technology to further speed up the SIPs, but all of that would have to be done while simultaneously slowing trade confirmations, including those from dark pool matching engines to eliminate all trade data information advantages. But again, such speed equivalence changes would need to be universally adopted for them to have any impact, given today's fragmented market structure. I'd like to talk about co location and why it's important that it remains a regulated business. We believe that colocation is the most fair way to serve both the latency and non latency sensitive customers. Let me illustrate. ICE's commodities business uses 3rd party data centers to house our matching engines. And years ago, we began hearing of traders that were offering to pay our data center operator larger fees if they could move their systems closer to our matching engine. We decided to work with our landlord to develop cable links and router configurations that were equal for everyone in the building who were trying to connect to us, regardless of where their specific location was in that building. Thus, it was out of a sense of preserving fair access that the colocation business was born. We continue to examine the colocation offerings at our data centers to make certain that their use is appropriate, codified and fair. And finally, let me mention that the U. S. Equity market simply has to look to its cousin, the U. S. Equity options market to adopt best practices and a good regulatory model. For example, off exchange trading is allowed, but those trade opportunities must be offered to others in regulated markets. Market makers have true price quoting obligations and in return they receive fee discounts and additional messaging capacity. Exchanges have rules and fines to deter excessive orders from being sent and from being canceled. All of these features are very similar to what we've already implemented in our futures market and all of these features in the U. S. Equity options markets are regulated. Clearly, we spent a lot of time during my tenure at ICE thinking about and solving for better market structures, whether it was the market for OTC Energy, market for credit default swaps or now they believe that one of the things that ICE does well is to facilitate change for the better that help our markets to grow. And I'm really hopeful that our team can advance the dialogue here. In the meantime, as we've discussed today, we're busy executing on a range of initiatives that we now have listed on Slide 21. Each of these is helping us to capitalize on the many opportunities to grow and serve our customers in an expanded way. We closed on the NYSE transition just about 6 months ago. And since then, we've implemented a dividend, we've completed the acquisition of the Singapore Exchange and Clearing House, and we've led in the global listings business. We completed several milestones related to the IPO of Euronext and the sale of some of our technology businesses, while delivering on expense synergies and rolling out many, many new products. We launched our benchmark administration business covering now both LIBOR and the ISDA fixed indices. We began developing a new trading platform for our U. S. Cash equities business and our equity option exchanges. And we continue to transition the life exchanges to ICE. We're not waiting for the business to come to us. We're going to where our customers need us to be, and we look forward to continuing to report to you on this progress. I want to conclude my remarks by referring you to Slide 22. And note that ICE's growth is consistent and we have found opportunity for growth amid change. We focus on our customers' needs every day and in doing so, we've been able to drive shareholder value. So I want to thank our customers for trusting us with their business and I want to thank our team for delivering these great results. With that, I'll turn it over to the operator, Emily, for a Q and A session. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question is from Richard Repetto of Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead. Yeah. Good morning. The first question is on expenses, just to get away from the market structure debate for just one sec. But Scott, just following your walk on expenses, if you take your $463,000,000 you add the $8,000,000 one time you had $471,000,000 and I think I've got to get where there's $15,000,000 of extra urine actually gets you to $485,000,000 to low end. But it doesn't seem if you doubled the synergies in the quarter from to $220,000,000 I think you'd expect to start realizing I guess at least $25,000,000 or so additional. So I'm just trying to follow the walk here and the realization of this the doubling of the synergies in the quarter. Yes. So Rich, you did the walk almost perfectly. The only other thing I would add is in the second quarter, we'll see a little bit of an increase in our non cash expense. We were a little delayed in issuing our performance related restricted shares this year. And so we only had 1 month in the Q1, we'll have 3 months in the rest of the quarter. So that'll move you right back into the middle of the guidance once you add in the $15,000,000 of Euronext expense, which again for clarity is 100 percent of the reason the guidance went up and is more than offset by the additional revenues that we would expect based on Q1 volumes and the clearing agreement. But your question about the synergies, Rich, what I was saying and what I said in our February earnings call was that the Q1 expenses reflect that $220,000,000 achievement. It's in the run rate. And then what I also said on that February call and I'll repeat here is that we would expect a little bit more, I think I said $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 as you go through the year of additional synergy realization, but that's going to come from the work we're doing to integrate the corporate staff, to integrate the Life business. And so that's going to be more in the back end of the year. And so what I said then and I'll repeat again here is we would expect 1Q to 2Q to be kind of stable. And then as you get to the back end of the year, it will trail off a little bit as those synergies bleed in. Also embedded in this consists of what we said in February, as we are making investments. So I said $40,000,000 to $50,000,000 that would support revenue growth of $100,000,000 to $140,000,000 If you adjust for disc ops, we drove over $30,000,000 of revenue growth in the Q1 alone. We are seeing the revenue growth. We are making the investments to continue to grow our business. Thanks, Scott. That helps. That gets me there. And now back to the market structure. Jeff, thanks for all the detailed comments. Now you can see what you've been missing just being a derivatives exchange prior. So but I guess the question is, it gets to the topic of what you can do unilaterally and what you can't. I've seen you stepped up in regards to the order types. But in regards to market data, you need the industry. So anyway the question is on the make or taker model. Some have asked if you're that dead set against it, why don't you could take a step. Could you explain why you couldn't? And I believe it has to do with best execution. And what do you see as the one priority thing that will get reduce this complexity and fragmentation that we're confronting the equity markets, the cash equity markets? Yes. So it's a very good question. I wish we could act unilaterally, but today in the world of smart order routers as we change fees those smart order routers react instantaneously. And we suspect that if we went to a single two sided rate, we can look at others that have that rate. And those smart order routers will leave us in the dust. And the New York if you look at the volume on the exchanges and trading platforms that have low two sided rates, their market share is probably less than 1%. And we're not going to take the New York Stock Exchange down to less than 1% market share. It's why I think there is a mechanism already that the SEC has set limits on what exchanges can charge. And I'm really suggesting that I think those should be revisited. And I think the more support that the industry will provide for revisiting of those rates, the more likely it is that the SEC will put that up on their priority list. I will tell you that we've had many, many meetings with the SEC at all levels and I find them to be very engaged and interested in making sure that we have a well functioning U. S. Capital market system. I've been very impressed with them and they've been incredibly gracious to listen to me and some of my ideas. And so I have a quiet confidence that as more people speak out about improvements that we'll see the industry coalesce around some good ideas. Okay. Thanks, Jeff. Thanks, Scott. Our next question is from Christian Boulou of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you, Scott for taking my questions. Scott, just quickly, just to make sure my math is right. If I just look at the core I segment expenses of $4.63 and back out the Euronext expenses and then I compare that segment to your expense guidance for the year, it feels like expenses even for core ICE is going up through the year. Help me just think about anything in terms of incremental investment spend versus the synergies you're talking about being realized through the end of the year? Yes. Again, I mentioned in my remarks that we had about $8,000,000 of kind of one off accrual credits that we had in the Q1. And then I mentioned in answer to Rich's question that we had a we'd have an increase related to our performance RSUs in the 2nd quarter. Once you adjust those things in, there is no increase in expense 1Q to 2Q, we're right in the middle of the range and we're right where we said we'd be and where we'd expect to be. And importantly, you guys recall that we suggested that once we peeled Euronext out and put the NYFT businesses in disc ops that we would anticipate margins would have been around 48% to 49%. In the quarter, they were 51% even adjusted for those one off items. You take the guidance and put it against relatively flat revenues from the Q1, those margins are going to remain right around 50%. So we're right where we've said we'd be, right where we would expect to be and very happy with the progress we've made. Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. Jeff, thanks for all the updates on the opportunities ahead. Just want to hit specifically on the European Industry Complex. And just more broadly speaking, how do you think about your opportunity in the longer term products? Do you think you can actually win share from the current incumbent? Or is the focus here really more on creating kind of newer products? It's a good question. I mean, the answer is we really just talk to our customers about what their needs are and then we try to solve for those issues. And that may mean in some cases share is taken and certainly it means that we're going to be creating new opportunities and ideas. I'm quite proud of the fact that we stood up a brand new business that had no employees and no history and convinced the market that we should administer the LIBOR oversight and now again convinced the market that we should take over the administration of the ISDA fix process. Those businesses put us very, very close to our customers daily, hourly contact with people talking about where the markets are moving and they impart domain knowledge to us and give us an insight into where our customers are thinking, where they're having stress points. And if you couple that with the fact that I'm very, very proud of what our colleagues have built in our clearing infrastructure with the really sophisticated models and the quants that we've been able to attract and hire who increasingly are getting deeper into managing risk. I think we're just incredibly well positioned. We're lucky to have the life rates complex now come to us. And that's a very, very good starting point for us to do both things that you suggest, take market share from others and also continue to launch new products. So I think long story short, we're feeling very, very good about where life has taken us right now. I mean, LIFE. Thanks for all the color there and congrats on all the progress. Thank you. Our next question is from Mike Carrier of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead. Thanks guys. So Jim, I think you gave an update on Euronext just in terms of the June timeframe. Maybe just give us an update there in terms of what other regulatory approvals have to get done? And then, maybe Scott, maybe just when you look at I guess it's tough to go into too much detail, but when you look at the valuation out there, maybe more the ownership percentage versus what you guys could release, how can that either shift or accelerate over time just your, I guess, cash deployment opportunities? And not just on your next, but when we put that together with Tek and then just the overall cash flow of the business throughout the rest of the year? Let me ask Scott to answer both questions since he's been really helping to drive that IPO. Okay. Yes. So I'll tell you what I can on the process. Mike, as you would anticipate, the last step before we file the IPO later this quarter is we need the final approval from the College of Regulators. And I think we have a very good dialogue going on with them with regards to that process. We're well along in the process of putting the perspectives together, well along in the process of educating some of the potential investors. So we feel good about where we are in the process. That's why we've continued to stick to this day. Clearly, we can't say with certainty when that regulatory approval will come, But we're pretty confident and feel good about where we are in the process right now. But still, frankly, a lot of work to be done. With regards to what happens at the time of the IPO, that's hard to say without knowing what the market dynamics are at time we launch or what the demand is at the time we launch. What I can tell you is what we've said publicly before, which is, if required, we've committed to be a stable shareholder in Euronext for a period of time. But again, there's no certainty around that either as we move through the process. So I think the net of it is we feel very good about where we are. We remain confident that we're on track to get it done. And to your question on cash use, as I said in the remarks, first of all, I thought the Q1 cash results really demonstrated that the cash we can generate just from the business. Clearly, depending on the size of the stake we can sell on Euronext that will help us accelerate our deleveraging. And then as you mentioned, the divestiture of the NYSE Technologies businesses will also fund that. So we feel pretty good about where we are, not just with regards to the Euronext IPO, but with cash generally and our ability to get our deleveraging done on time, if not more quickly, and then get back to our share repurchases and investing in our growth. All right. Thanks, Scott. And then Jeff, just as a follow-up. Just on the outlook for volumes. And I know there's a bunch of different trends that can have impacts. But I guess when we look at it, if we look at some of the energy products, definitely on the rate side and even on the FX side, there's a lot of things that are having impact. But if you look at some of the regulatory pressures on the big financial institutions and even on clients in an indirect way, do you see that as having much of an impact? Or is it the typical things that tend to impact your business in terms of low volatility, some macro uncertainty? I'm just trying to get any insight on just what you guys look at what's driving it and maybe what could be some levers moving forward to pick up the volumes? Yes. So let me just say natural gas the U. S. Natural gas markets are the markets where Chuck and I really first started ICE and they remain core to our hearts for that reason. And we had in the United States as most of you know a very cold winter, colder than expected. And so people who were trading natural gas either made a lot of money or lost a lot of money depending upon where you were positioned. And so part of I think the quietness of the natural gas markets right now is that we're in a shoulder month period. And a lot of our customers are going back and scratching their heads and looking at what happened over the winter before they decide their positioning for summer and beyond. That has nothing to do with that has to do with weather, not regulatory issues. That being said, there's definitely a sense of totality of regulation that is sweeping over our customers and it's complex and it's somewhat unknown and there's some trepidation and dates and deadlines continue to move. And so we do we are having unbelievably active dialogue with our customers of trying to help them as we figure out where we need to be to meet those same kinds of dates and deadlines. So there does feel to be kind of a pall, if you will, on hedging and trading activity right now as people digest a relatively large and new regulatory regime globally. I think, however, as I said in my prepared remarks, the trend is for exchanges and transparency to be embraced and we positioned ourselves well as a transparent and regulated exchange and clearinghouse venue. And as we mentioned as well, I mean, we continue to see OI trends that are stable to significantly improving. We mentioned Brent and AGS being up 16% 14% year to year. And a metric we talk about from time to time, I look at the fact that we continue to see more people log into the system, more IDs. So the people are definitely there, the OI, the open positions are definitely there. And so as we mentioned in the remarks, once the volatility returns, we feel pretty well positioned. All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Next question is from Jillian Miller of BMO Capital. Please go ahead. Thanks guys. And thanks for all the commentary on market structure, Jeff. That was really helpful. One thing that wasn't totally clear to me from the comments, do you think that we basically need to do away with make or taker entirely to really see a healthier market? Or do you think that just a lower cap on access fees might be enough on that front? And I guess like how do you see the longer term market outcomes being different for those two potential regulatory changes? Yes. I personally think as long as we're talking about changing it, we should abolish it. I do not believe that it's healthy for exchanges and trading venues to pay for order flow. People talk about that as if it is liquidity, but because there are both maker taker venues and then taker maker venues, you end up with people buying on one venue and selling on another venue and not having any interest in really owning shares. And in other markets where we've got competitors that are doing massive payment for order flow and rebate structures, we end up with customers that want to advantage themselves of those. And what they do is they end up doing big low risk trades, trades that are way out the curve, butterfly trades that carry no risk or low risk. They do them in the middle of the night. They do these big volume trades and then the exchanges all go run around and talk about how fabulous their volumes are and use that as a marketing technique to try to attract the true hedgers into a market that really by that design is incredibly illiquid and is a roach motel. And so, I am not a fan of market structures that create false volume. I think there are plenty of people in our markets today and you see them all through the historical markets that ICE has been involved in that are willing to be market makers, legitimate market makers that will make a two way price and provide liquidity into the market, many using high speed trading techniques that are helpful and meritorious to the market in exchange for access, discounts and other traditional market making compensation that does not involve payment for order flow in the form of make or take or direct subsidies. And so I don't know why we wouldn't just go all the way. I think if you reduce it, it will certainly help. But again, false volume signals, I think are as wrong as false price signals, which in which case most people would go to jail. And I don't know why we should make the distinction when we all know that our customers are looking at both in making investment decisions. Okay. Thanks. That's helpful. And then Scott, you had mentioned that there was I think you said $30,000,000 of revenue growth in the Q1 alone that came from investments that you had made. And I apologize if I missed this in some of the prepared remarks, but could you just give us a better idea for kind of what that was related to like where that $30,000,000 came from? Was that investments post transaction like related to the deal? I was just a little bit confused there. No, I didn't link the 2 directly. What I said was in the Q1, we did see $30,000,000 of revenue. But if you adjust 2013 for discontinued operations revenues and look year over year, we were up about 4%, a little more than $30,000,000 And what I was suggesting was, we are making investments this year to continue to generate revenue growth. So it's really just harkening back to the same comments I made in February. Okay, got it. Thank you. Next question is from Ken Worthington of JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. First on other revenue, hefty $134,000,000 this quarter, and you've done some rejiggering to what is reported in that line. At this point, what is the composition of other revenue? How variable should it be from 1 quarter to the next? And why was the guidance down versus 1Q levels? Yes. So Ken, I think in my prepared remarks, I mentioned that there are membership fees, there are transaction services, there are the corporate governance businesses that we own. So it's their network and colo. So there are a number of items that make up other, it's a bit of a mishmash. And we had a few $1,000,000 in the Q1 related to a termination of a contract that won't continue through the rest of the year. We gave guidance for the quarter of $120,000,000 to $130,000,000 And I think you could expect and by the way, you take out the few $1,000,000 to for that one time, we would have been right at the top end of that range. And I think similar to what you've seen in the past through other revenues, you should expect stability in that range throughout the year. Okay, great. And then maybe Jeff, wanted to hear additional comments on nat gas. Given the volatility in January February, are you hearing that this is or will lead to how much is hedged and how gas is kind of traded going forward? And is there any merit to a potential transition to more shale gas trading where ICE has such a dominant presence? Yes. I think we look at our OI trends and while trading has been subdued in these shoulder months, the OI trends are still quite good in North America natural gas. In Europe, as I commented like what we've been able to do there is unbelievably successful. And so many of the global trading companies have been active in Europe, while they've been quiet in the U. S. So we've seen them kind of shift their market making risk taking appetite to where the markets warrant. So I don't see anything long term structurally negative. It's just we are aware that it was very, very interesting over the winter on some of where some of our customers were positioned and they were either right or wrong, many of them. And so people go back and rejigger their models and think about their personnel and think about their capital deployment. And it feels like that's what they're doing over these spring months. Okay. But in terms of corporates, the corporates aren't changing the way they hedge to go to Pennsylvania Gas as opposed to Henry Hub? Yes. No, not really. And Henry Hub still is the marker for the U. S. And people still continue to use it. And as we've seen in other markets, there are imperfect benchmarks that exist in the world and we can all talk about how we could design a more perfect one. But the market tends to try to just continue to evolve and adapt around the imperfect ones and as opposed to abandon them. And so that's really what we see going on here. And we have a lot of dialogue with our customers about the potential to launch new delivery points or new contract designs or new specifications. Obviously, that's why we're changing our gas oil contract from a high sulfur gas oil, which is really heating oil to low sulfur gas oil, which is really diesel fuel. And so we do those kinds of things. But what's interesting, if you look at what we announced is that the market told us don't launch a new gas oil contract, just change the one that we have now from high sulfur to low sulfur so that things can continue. And it's that kind of attitude that we're seeing by energy traders in the U. S. Natural gas space. Thank you. Our next question is from Alex Khem of UBS. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning. Good morning. I want to start with coming back to expenses, but maybe ask a little bit more of a longer term question. I think historically, ICE has done a really great job of cutting expenses and discretionary expenses when you have lower volumes. If I look at your I think your proxy right now for example, I think a lot of management compensation is also going to be tied synergy realization. At the same time, you also have a much bigger organization that's doing things like listings in other parts. So as you look at this current environment and the volume environment, if that persists, but you do well on other things like synergies, do you still have that kind of discretionary or that flexibility on the comp side as we approach the end of the year? 100%. Yes. We are a performance based pay company and we remain a performance based compensation company. So yes, that flexibility will absolutely exist. I think we've been pretty explicit. Look, we understand that there's a lot of noise in putting these two companies together. And we're trying to be very explicit more explicit than we haven't given revenue guidance before and we gave you a number. We're trying to break our expense guidance down into pieces to be helpful. But if you look at that guidance, I mean, it's reflective of what would be a very good year. If we don't hit those numbers, our compensation will be adjusted accordingly across the board. And Alex, the biggest issue is that this particular management team is sitting in this room on this call doesn't really want to run a big bureaucratic organization. We just not what we do well and none of us enjoy it and we enjoy feedback directly from customers and you can only get that when you are running incredibly flat and you get the senior management dialoguing directly with employees that are touching customers day in and day out. And so, the culture here is just one where we don't want to be that and we don't like it. And as a result of that, we're not going to tolerate a lot of bureaucracy. Okay, great. And then maybe secondly, just coming back to the European interest rate business for a second. I think you gave some highlights of new product launches and things like that. But can you talk about other things that you've been maybe doing behind the scenes that maybe not be as obvious? Like obviously, I think you changed some market maker incentives and Scott did that actually help the pricing and should that continue to help the pricing? And then but also in terms of your sales organization or other things that you do when you interface with your customers? I mean, what are you doing different than maybe that Life did not do as well in the past? Well, this is Jeff. Let me try to tackle that at a high level. First of all, the main thing that we're doing is we're pushing the Life and the ICE organizations together and we're taking the best people from those 2 organizations. At the same time, we're pushing the Life products onto the ICE trading platform, because we have, we think, better distribution, a lighter weight platform, a platform that's easier to deploy, it's accessible via the Internet. And so we're doing a lot of technology work to really modify the traditional commodities based ICE platform to handle a wide range of financial products, including some that are incredibly complex. We're also looking at our interest rate footprint as a global footprint and we're combining our interest rate products in ways that will give economic offsets in clearing, but also will be complementary to the way people trade and we're designing the platform usage to try to exploit that. And in that regard, when it comes to pricing and market maker schemes and what have you, we basically are moving from the life model to the historical ICE model. And just aligning pricing and schemes and things to what we believe works for us. And the comments I made about market structure for the equities market apply to our views on all of our markets and how we think about rebates and market maker schemes and payment for order flow and limiting high frequency traders to those that have meritorious behavior and all of those kinds of things are kind of built into our thinking and they're built into the ICE platform. And so there's a lot going on right now around those products. It represents a huge opportunity for us. So we're quite focused on it. While I spent a large proportion of my prepared remarks talking about the U. S. Equity structure, that's largely because it's in the news. The reality is, as you know, it's not a particularly large business for us and we have incredible flexibility to try to make some changes to that business, because we have the opportunity of scale. And so we speak with one voice here and I think that's how you're going to see us operate in the interest rate complex, which I think is materially different than some of our peers. And I think it will be well received frankly. Yes. So Scott, anything on the pricing on the interest rates you to call out? No. Again, I think it had not a particularly material impact on the pricing overall. And you have seen and should continue to expect pricing similar to our other products to be reasonably stable. Okay. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Our next question is from Neha Alexander of KBW. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. If I could talk about cash, you're just so such a great track record with the cash earnings consistently kind of exceeding the operating earnings and the returns on the capital. Now I see you're kind of upping the CapEx guidance here and then kind of bottom of the Slide 21, you seem to be investing in a new matching engine for U. S. Engines. I guess I'm a little concerned because your predecessors, NYX historically, we've kind of examined the organization as we used to cover it and we always covered ICE. I mean, there was such a story of contrast and you're kind of minimizing the CapEx and maximizing the returns and still having minimum downtime, whereas New York kind of was constantly throwing cash into its systems and reinventing its systems and still having kind of very low margin. So I'm a little nervous that you're reading the CapEx guidance here and you seem to be investing in yet again another engine for U. S. Equities and Options when that's been done by them for several years. So just help me reconcile the 2. Steve, this is Jeff. Let me start. What we decided to do at in the cash equities and equity options business is standardized on 1 lightweight, easily deployable and high capacity platform. What the past management inherited at NYSE were 5 different exchanges that have 5 different platforms and they spent a significant amount of time and energy to get those platforms to work together as a single cohesive unit. And they should be credited for that because there are 5 disparate systems. What we want to do now is just really take that to the next level, is replace all of that with a single platform, because the differences between market structures in those businesses are not great enough to warrant having different platforms. There are frankly, the different features between different regulatory exchanges largely revolve around maker taker pricing and the way market makers are compensated. And again, owing to our earlier comments, we want to standardize that, we want to simplify that, we want to have a single fast lightweight platform that is reliable. And so we're making a one time investment. What will come out of that, we think, is a great return on invested capital because we're going to so dramatically simplify things that we'll be able to shed a lot of excess complexity and things that add to decrease in reliability by the incumbent system. We've got that kind of DNA inside ICE. We started the company at the height of the dotcom boom. We really believe in embracing low cost hardware that is easily deployable and that has a lot of redundancy in its networking design. And so we're bringing that kind of mindset to this new product. Okay. Fair enough. Thanks. And just I guess for my follow-up on Euronext. Can you walk me through kind of your interest or desire to kind of have to or in what scenario will you still be consolidating Euronext? I'm just trying to get a sense, I guess, basically of if there's enough demand, would you be interested in kind of no longer consolidating or no longer having a controlling interest in the organization if there's enough demand and if the structure allows that? Yes. Anita, whether we consolidate or not is pretty straightforward accounting. If we've got more than 50%, we'll consolidate. If it's less than 50%, we won't. Yes. Clearly, we said early days that we didn't think we were the optimal owner of what is an attractive business. But it's a business that serves local markets and we didn't bring much to the table. And so there's no particular goal on our side to own a majority and to consolidate the results. What we're going to be able to sell at the time of the IPO, as I mentioned earlier, is going to depend on what the market dynamics are. But we don't have any desire to continue to consolidate the business for any long term period. So is it valuation at a certain valuation level you'd be willing to sell more, but it pays you more to kind of keep it? Yes. I mean that when I yes, that's exactly right. Sorry to step on your question. But when we are as we talk about market dynamics, price, demand, all of those factor in. Okay. Fair enough. I think, Jeff, this is Jeff. I think, it's going to be one of those situations where shortly before we take the business to the public markets, we're going to look at the markets and look in the mirror and talk to our advisors and try to make the best decision on behalf of our shareholders of what is the immediate benefit of exiting versus what is the longer term economic benefit of keeping and what will the market allow us to do and we're just going to stick our finger in the wind and try to make the most informed decision that we can at that moment in time. So we're prepared for any eventuality. I mean, fortunately, Scott has done a very good job with the debt that we've been able to secure that gives us a lot of flexibility. And as you can see, we're generating a lot of cash that allows us to service that debt. So we have a lot of flexibility in looking at that market as we move into the IPO. Okay. Thank you. Our next question is from Alex Blostein of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thanks. Hey guys, sorry, another one on expenses, but given the reaction from investors, I think today, it's clear that it's still kind of a concern out there. But maybe if you look at the guidance for the ICE segment on the operating basis and somebody else talked a little bit earlier about your ability historically to kind of deliver operating leverage on the positive side even in a tougher revenue environment. So within the $156,000,000 to $158,000,000 Scott, can you give us a sense of what kind of volume or revenue backdrop you anticipate embedded in that expense guidance? Yes. Look, I think people saw a headline that expense guidance was up and the stock is off on that. But to me that's a binaural change, because we didn't say anything different, right? What we said about expenses is 100% consistent with what I said in February with one exception and that's that we're going to add expenses related to Euronet predominantly related to the clearing arrangement revenue that's similar to what we saw in the Q1, it's $50,000,000 The expense in the Q1 reflects a run rate of over 2 $20,000,000 of synergies, more than 40% already done. As we said in February, it's true. We said there will be some investment as we go through the year, some additional synergies as we go through the year. And we said we'd grow revenue. In the Q1, we grew revenue 4%. So again, it we'll go look at whether or not maybe there's some lack of clarity in the guidance, But it is very consistent. It is very positive and it's right on track with where we expect to be. Okay. And then speaking of the stock and the buying opportunity, I guess you guys have said in the past that it's frustrating that your hands are kind of tied that you can't take advantage of buying back stock here. Now assuming that the divestitures kind of take place as you would expect, but also understanding that there's your bond that you would like to retire next year. Can you speak to your flexibility to perhaps pay down the commercial paper this year to kind of get the leverage ratio on the right place and start the buyback sooner? Yes. So that's one of the reasons why we shifted a lot of it at the end of the commercial paper that is easily repayable once we've got the cash in hand to do that. We are looking at the dynamics for an early payment on the euro bonds and what that would entail. We're in discussions with the ratings agencies on how they would treat it if we had the debt, but we also set aside cash. Would that give us a net debt treatment so that our leverage would be viewed at a point where as you can say, we can get back to executing on the authorized share repurchase that we have today. So I feel pretty confident that once we get through the Euronext IPO with as Jeff said, the strength in our operating cash flows that we've got a very flexible debt structure that will allow us to get the deleveraging done efficiently. Great. Thanks. And just a clarification on the incremental revenues from the Euronext clearing arrangement that is anticipated starting, I guess, April 1? Yes. So again, the agreement started April 1. The net of the arrangement is there are some expenses that I mentioned $9,000,000 to $10,000,000 that would be incurred and revenues of 2016. I'm looking at 1st quarter volumes and what would the revenues have been based on those volumes and then assuming similar volumes in 2Q is what it would yield. But embedded in that obviously is that the amount of revenues will be tied to the derivatives volume that is related to the clearing agreement. Great. Thank you so much. Our next question is from Chris Harris of Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead. Thanks. Hi, guys. So another follow-up question on the volumes. I appreciate all the color you guys have given regarding what's happening in the market. But one thing I'm just kind of thinking about is kind of the decline in the volumes that you've seen. They seem to kind of be correlating exactly with a pullback from the banks and others that are kind of closing their commodity trading desks or significantly reducing them and also the slowdown in Asia. So you guys did mention those things, but I was wondering if are any of those having an impact on your volumes? This is Jeff. We don't really see that. At least it's always hard to know why somebody trades, but honestly it doesn't feel like that it's that correlated to the banks. The banks that we deal with as I said in my prepared remarks, those that have separated themselves from some of their trading operations, those trading operations have largely gone other places and continue to give us business. And the banks still are facilitating a lot of customer business that they tend to have always done. The banks had never been a particularly large percentage of our commodity markets per se. And these are widely distributed markets that are global. And it is interesting that we do still see growth coming out of Asia. That's why we want to own Exchange and Clearinghouse in Singapore. And if you look at our energy business, amazingly to me, our European energy business, what people think of as our historical European energy business has less volume coming from the EU than it does from places outside the EU as we sit here today. Its growth has been incredibly global and incredibly dispersed. So I think U. S. Natural gas is really a weather related issue. There are structural changes going on in the gas market, but volumes specifically tend to be somewhat volatility related. And gasoil we're changing the spec and so people are adjusting that and the interest rate complex in the UK is waiting for the Bank of England and the UK economy which we have cautious optimism has turned the corner and is improving and we'll start to put volatility in the rates business. So all of those things feel like us like a spring that's coiled for upside, particularly when you lay over our open interest trends on it. And none of that has anything to do with the way banks are restructuring in my mind. Okay. Thanks for that. And a quick follow-up for Scott, just a kind of a point of clarification. Again, sorry, Scott, on the synergies and the expense guidance. So I know the expense guidance excludes NYXT, but one thing I just want to make sure I'm getting right, the remaining synergies you guys have left, does that also exclude NYXT or are there expenses embedded in there related to NYXT as part of your synergies that are remaining? No, that's a great question. So we had about of the $220,000,000 about $35,000,000 to $40,000,000 of that came from the NYXT business, which is now sitting in disc ops. Those businesses that we are divesting or have shut down are all in disc ops. As we go forward, I think the simplest way to think of it is the rest of the synergies you're going to see show up in the ICE segment expenses. Okay. So it all hit the P and L then? Yes. Okay, great. Thank you. And our next question is from Bill Katz of Citigroup. Please go ahead. Okay. Thanks very much. As we think about the combination of ICE and New York Stock Exchange, I think one of the themes was that you might be able to get more expenses out of the business than you maybe have already articulated. So based on Saved's commentary, it sounds like you're going to spend a little bit first. But so is it are we now at a point where the incremental synergies of the business might be more on the top line? Or could there still be some more incremental savings that you could see on the other side of 2015? I think the opportunity exists for both. One of the key expense synergies that we're working on is the well, it's not even really the integration, frankly the merger of Life into ICE Futures Europe onto 1 site, it's already sitting in one clearinghouse, but onto 1 platform. And one of the things that we've seen historically, as we move more people onto a single platform that tends to boost trading, You just get more people staring at the screen, more people who are able to trade, etcetera. And so I definitely think that there are synergy opportunities on the top line related to that, setting aside the opportunity that exists as the European economy tends that starts to improve or continues to improve and we continue to launch new products. So I definitely think there are top line opportunities and look, I think you said it exactly right. One of the reasons that we're making the investment that Jeff described earlier in the NYSE technology platform is because we believe a simple elegant single technology platform will be much less costly to maintain than 5 separate technology platforms. And so I do anticipate that we will continue to find expense synergy opportunities. I'm not saying that $500,000,000 is more today, but I'm saying there's an opportunity for $500,000,000 to be more. And I think as a management team, we've demonstrated a very good ability to get expense out where those opportunities have existed. And maybe I should mention, this is Jeff, that we're well along on how we are going to move to a more simple technology model inside NYSE and the related exchanges. And we have a competitor that is going to be moving people on the new platforms. And so we're looking at when we can move and the timing around that, so that we don't put the industry through too much stress. But we are making rapid progress that will allow us to both cut costs and simplify and grow that business we believe that I think will be meaningful in the not too distant future, given the speed that we've been working. We didn't announce it, but we've been we've effectively been working on that platform since the first day that we acquired the company and things are going well in terms of how we've been able to organize and get ready to deploy that. Okay. It's helpful. And then my follow-up question comes back to market structure. And Jeff appreciate your comments. As you think about everything you mentioned, it seems like there's pros and cons for both the industry as well as ICE. How should we think about both the foregone revenue economics that might come about from some of these promulgated changes, obviously, in the next half of yet versus the opportunity for maybe some consolidation of fragmentation? Well, I think, to a certain degree, the exchanges are somewhat responsible for the fragmentation of the market by what was perceived as innovation with all these new order types and rates. And to me, it's not completely surprising that people wanted to flee those markets and trade elsewhere. Today, you have in the United States about 40% of the business that is not trading on exchanges. And that's quite sad and it's definitely impacting in less liquid names the price discovery process. You've got conversation about whether or not we should move to $0.05 pick sizes, whether we should do other kinds of stimulation to try to bring people back to some of the more illiquid names. And the reality is, I think the easiest way to bring people back to transparent markets are to make it easy for them and simple for them to access those markets. And so I think whatever we would give up in some of the innovative things that we have at our exchange, we would more than make up in volume. Beyond that, what's saddening about the U. S. Equity market is that when I go out and talk to my friends, they do not have confidence in those markets. And that is a and trying to take a bigger piece of a shrinking pie is a silly business. And we should all be trying in this industry to grow that pie. And yes, we can bang each other's heads and compete for pieces of pie. But the reality is, if you look at the quality of people that are writing algorithms, these people are literally some of the smartest people in the world. And we as an industry have them deployed on trying to get pieces of a shrinking pie. And it's just from a societal standpoint, it seems like a misallocation of resources. So I'm quite confident that if we can simplify the model, make it easy to access that it will grow because the markets were up over 30% last year in the United States and who wouldn't want to be 30% richer in their liquid net worth today. And if our entire U. S. Pension obligation were levered against a 30% increase, we would be in a substantially better place than we are today for our retirees. So I think that that thing can grow, but it's got to become simpler and easier to access. And I think the New York Stock Exchange, as I said before, will get more than its fair share of the business. Until we get there, what you're seeing us do is investing in making it simpler, easier, smaller and less complicated. And that is something that we control and that's what we're doing. And the small investment that we're making in that platform, we believe we'll have, as I said, a very high return on invested capital as we simplify those companies. Okay. Thank you for taking my questions. Our next question and our last question today is a follow-up from Kim of UBS. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks for taking the follow-up. Scott real quick, since you legally separated ICE and Euronext, do you can you actually already give us the kind of debt balance that Euronext is going to be carrying? I don't think it's in the Q. No, it's not in the Q. It's not publicly available, sorry. So just to be clear, what we've legally separated was life out of Euronext, not Euronext from ICE. So it's not a separate company yet, although its management team quite successfully ran the Q1 in a very independent manner. And then just maybe secondly and sorry to come back to the U. S. Equities market structure, but Jeff, I think you said that you have a lot of ideas and a lot of things that you think should change in equity market structure. But it sounds like to some degree you also acknowledge that it's different to drive change because volumes would just go somewhere else and you would lose market share. But to one degree, I would say you have 3 markets that you run-in equities today and one of those markets AmEx or MKT whatever it's called to these days is obviously doesn't have much market share. So why don't you start experimenting? Like why don't you try to drive some of these changes that you think should be right in some of those markets and then go out there and talk to customers to acknowledge them? First of all, I'm smiling because you think about the name of that business in the same way I do, which is I don't understand. So it doesn't have a lot of brand equity and it's something that they were talking about. But beyond that, we never talk about the things that we're doing behind the scenes. We'll roll out our businesses when we think it's appropriate. But you can rest assure that we're looking for opportunities, talking to a lot of people and looking at the assets that we have and much of which in the way you're thinking about them. And what I wanted to talk about on the call today were the things that the industry should be doing, but I don't necessarily want to preview the things that we're doing. Very fair. Thank you very much for the follow-up. All right. Thanks. And this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jeffrey Sprecher for any closing remarks. Thanks, Emily. I want to thank all of you for joining us on today's call. And we're continuing to move a lot of parts and pieces and advance our business, and we'll continue to upgrade update you on that progress on these initiatives as we move through the quarter. And thanks again for your participation today. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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