Good day, everyone. My name is Hector, and I will be your conference operator on today's call. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Live Nation Entertainment's First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. Following management's prepared remarks, we will open call for Q and A.
Instructions will be given at that time. Before we begin, Live Nation has asked me to remind you that this afternoon's call will contain certain forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ, including statements related to the company's anticipated financial performance, business prospects, new developments and similar matters. SEC filings, including the risk factors and cautionary statements included in the company's most recent filings filings on Form 10 ks, 10 Q and 8 ks for a description of risks and uncertainties that could impact the actual results. Live Nation will also refer to some non GAAP measures on this call. In accordance with the SEC Regulation G.
Live Nation has provided a full reconciliation to the most comparable GAAP measures in their earnings release. The release reconciliation and other financial and statistical information to be discussed on this call can be found under the Financial Information section on Live Nation's website at investors. Livenationentertainment.com. On today's call, We have with us Michael Rapinoe, President and Chief Executive Officer of Live Nation Entertainment and Joe Berchtold, President of Live Nation Entertainment. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Michael Rapino.
Please go ahead, sir.
Good afternoon and thank you for joining us. When we spoke last in February, I was optimistic that we would soon be returning to live events. And since then, our confidence has increased for our key markets. In the U. S, over 40% of the population received at least one vaccine dose progress and recent discussions about reopening to international visitors this summer are encouraging.
Around the world, people are showing the need to get out and socialize once again, which reinforces our expectation that a return to concerts will be the logical progression as vaccines are readily available to everyone who wants one. This is generally already in the case in the U. S. Where we are confidently planning our reopenings, particularly for outdoor shows. We expect other major markets will follow this summer.
Alongside these trends, we are seeing the effects of significant pent up demand full capacity. In the U. K, we have 11 festivals planned this summer, including our largest ones Reading, Leeds and Parklife, where tickets are already sold out. New Zealand, the country's largest festival, Rhythm and Vines quickly sold out. And as we get further clarity on reopening timelines, conference call.
We are announcing more tours for late this summer, including Dave Matthews, Luke Bryant, Varun5 and others to come, showing artists increasing confidence in performing this summer. Given the longer lead times associated with global arena and stadium tours, we expect these will start later this year and into 2022. As we've discussed, we are already seeing confirmed major tour dates for 2022, up double digits from the same time pre pandemic. Many of these artists will have multi year tours spent in the U. S, Europe and often Asia or Latin America, setting up for a strong multi year growth run.
Complementing our event pipeline, Ticketmaster continues to build its global client base to further accelerate its growth. This year, we have already added new clients representing over 5,000,000 net new fee bearing tickets, which we expect to grow further throughout the year as more venues prepare for 2022. And with Ticketmaster's client base increasingly shifting to digital ticketing, We continue to enhance our offering, ranging from upsell and improve advertising opportunities, as well as blockchain and NFT ability at the Ticketmaster platform. Our brand partners remain engaged and are responding well to our reopening. And like our concert business, our sponsor pipeline of committed activity for 2022 is up double digits for next year relative to where it was pre pandemic.
Like so many of you, I'm excited to go back to concerts over the next few months and even more excited to see what I expect to be a non stop 2022 that continues roaring into 'twenty three and beyond. With that, I will turn it over to Joe for more detail on our operating results.
Thanks, Michael, and good afternoon, everyone. As we have done over the past few quarters, we've added some tables at the back of our earnings release to reconcile in more detail Some of the numbers I will refer to today. For the Q1, all the key costs and cash numbers improved relative to Q4 2020 liquidity will provide us with the runway we need until we bring shows back, which will begin to scale in key markets outdoor this summer. Call. As we move toward reopening, we continue to balance strong cost and cash management.
We're now making the necessary investments to grow the business. Second half of the year. We still plan on reducing costs this year by $750,000,000 and reducing cash spend by $1,500,000,000 relative to pre pandemic plans. Looking at our Q1 AOI results, our AOI loss for the quarter was $152,000,000 call, which consisted of $323,000,000 in operational fixed costs and $171,000,000 of contribution margin, call, which included $149,000,000 from operations along with various one time items including insurance recoveries. Ticketmaster's ticket sales began to pick up at the beginning of March, particularly in the U.
S. With weekly ticket sale count significantly ramping as concert on sales have restarted, including the Bad Bunny on sale, which was the top Ticketmaster artist on sale day since 2018. As Michael noted, sales for our Live Nation festivals and concerts have been strong, demonstrating the tremendous pent up demand for our shows, with many festivals selling out in record time and a number of tours substantially overperforming relative to their historical levels. And our artist management and merchandise businesses also grew their contribution margin relative to the Q4 of last year. In our artist management businesses, artists continue to generate revenue through non touring activity, including publishing rights, while our merchandise business has grown its retail and e commerce businesses.
Looking at free cash and liquidity, We ended the Q1 with $1,100,000,000 in free cash compared to $643,000,000 at the end of 2020, an increase of 4 $62,000,000 Our free cash, along with $964,000,000 of available debt capacity, Gives us $2,100,000,000 in readily available liquidity, up from $1,600,000,000 at the end of 2020. Benefiting our free cash position, in January, we raised $417,000,000 of net debt and we had a $181,000,000 timing benefit, largely associated with deferred revenue classification. Our total free cash usage call. And the quarter was $136,000,000 or $45,000,000 per month, which included $100,000,000 per month of average operational burn, roughly in line with Q4, plus another $4,000,000 per month of non operational cash costs And in Q1, we had $59,000,000 average cash contribution margin per month, roughly 50% higher Centimeters than we averaged in Q4. Now on the other balance sheet items, ticket refunds.
The global refund rate for Live Nation concerts that are rescheduled For tours that have gone through a second refund window, the refund levels continue to generally be much lower for the second window as the casual fans 60 5 percent of fans are doing so. On deferred revenue, at the end of the first quarter, event related deferred revenue for shows that will play in the next 12 months was $1,500,000,000 the same as at the end of Q4. Ticket sales in the Q1 were $200,000,000 but this was offset largely by a shift of deferred revenue from short term to long term for shows that were rescheduled into 2022. This long term deferred revenue will then largely shift back short term during Q2 and Q3, reversing the timing benefit in free cash this quarter. Finally, looking forward.
As Michael said, we continue to expect concerts to scale this summer in key markets, notably outdoor and led by the U. S. And U. K. Given this expected activity, through Q2, we will continue to ramp up our operations, Enabling Ticketmaster to run its on sales, the concerts division to staff up for the amphitheater and festival season and sponsorship staff to support delivery for brands at these events.
Between this ramp up and the reversion of some of the Q1 timing benefits. We expect the average monthly net burn for the first half of twenty twenty one to be roughly in line with Q4 of last year. With that, let me turn the call back over to Michael.
Before taking questions, I wanted to cover one other thing. Kathy Willard, our CFO for the past 15 years will be retiring as of June 30. She will be then staying on as an advisor throughout the end of the year. As of July 1, the plan is for Joe Berchtold to become CFO. Kathy, as you know, has been an invaluable part of our team for the past 15 years and been with Live Nation for over 20.
We are a much stronger company because of her, not just from her role as CFO, but as a champion for women at the company and the industry, an important advisor to me on a range of issues. Because she built such effective finance organization, I'm confident we will remain in good shape as Joe steps in. He and Cathy have been working together closely for over a decade now, and he has gotten more deeply involved over the past year as we have been planning this transition. In addition, late last year, We elevated Jackie Beato to EVP of Operations to take on greater responsibility and give Joe the bandwidth he will need for the job. More than anything, I want to thank Kathy for impact on the company, her commitment and her friendship.
Operator, let's open the call for questions.
Call.
2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. One moment please while we poll for questions. Your first question comes from the line of David Karnovsky with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.
And Kathy, if you're on the call, good luck and you'll be missed. I guess with regards to the summer, early fall, Michael or Joe, can you provide a sense for how much is booked at this point relative to normal year in the U. S. Or UK. And just given the lead time, how much room do you have to still kind of ramp that higher should conditions improve further from here?
Yes, this is Joe, David. I'd say that the summer and early fall next 3 to full month is largely booked. We obviously have a lot that has shifted from last year into this year. We've added some tours. We've also added a number of festivals, call, all of which have been selling well.
So the typical AMP show is probably a couple of months lead time. So I think We'll still have room to be adding more as we get into August September, but the majority has been booked at this point.
Okay. And then can you maybe just expand a bit on your views of the foreign landscape in the next 12 to 18 months, just given all the supply that's built up? How do you expect to kind of efficiently allocate out all the tours? Are there any capacity constraints, not necessarily In terms of venues, but just in terms of maybe like the weekend nights that are available?
Yes. We're currently in that good position. We have lots of great conversations with probably every artist you could imagine talking about when they're going to be back on the road. An artist typically tours once every 3 years on a cycle. So we're kind of condensing 2020, 2021 and 2022.
So the good news is we got incredible supply. Now we're just sorting through what makes sense to go out in 'twenty at the end '21 still into 'twenty two and some artists were talking about moving into 'twenty three. So I would say the artists are patient And they're smart in terms of what their cycle is predicting. Maybe they have a record coming out in the fall, maybe it's in Q1. So right now, we have great supply.
We don't have any issues in terms of availability, but we're also not looking to cram everything In 3 years into 1 year, we're looking to stage a good 22 into 23 year. So when you spread it over Those 2 years, you find enough Fridays and enough weekends and enough routing challenges come to be solved that way.
Okay. And if I could just sneak one more in. I guess, as conference activity is now ramping up, can you maybe just discuss a little bit about what the process has been like for Live Nation? What are you finding that you can do differently versus prior to the pandemic? And maybe just what your overall confidence level is in hitting your prior target for structural cost savings?
Thanks. Yes, we're very confident we're going to hit the structural $200,000,000 cost savings we've given you. Call. As we've talked about, we've done it the opposite way, which is we took $950,000,000 of costs out. And so now it's a matter of how we let $750,000,000 of cost back in over a period of time.
So that gives us That makes it more real, if you will. We've done a number of things. On the ticketing side, we've talked about we've shifted that to a truly global organization call. As part of moving to a true single approach on the marketplace, on the enterprise and on all the technology. On the concert side, We have a long standing local network, which is very important to continue to understand the markets.
So with 80% of your shows now booked via tours, You don't need to have an entire infrastructure in every local market. So we've been seeing that there are ways of streamlining it. And when we were growing double digits Every year through most of the last decade, it wasn't worth the potential disruption. But as we've stopped, we've asked ourselves what's the best way to do this rebuilding from the ground up and we're very confident it's going to deliver those savings and be an even more effective organization for driving future growth.
And just to add to Joe, I think there's 2 ways to look at the business. We had a great workout, tested a new muscle for the last 12 months in terms of our balance sheet, our fixed costs and how we can become more efficient. And I think that you're going to see come to life through our $200,000,000 plus. But I think the real win of the downtime was What is the new products of the kind of Live Nation 3.0? What else are we going to do with this incredible scale we have across our consumer base.
So, I would say whether it's sponsorship, concerts or Ticketmaster, We would have a new level of new products in the pipe that we had not historically at the time nor the skill set set to kind of unlock. So, I'm very confident over the next couple of years, we're going to see some exciting new things coming out of the concert division, consumer side of the business, our subscription business, our Ticketmaster business, our new ad business models we're looking at. So, bunch of exciting ideas now finally had months months to put some people around and skill set that we've acquired to advance that part of our business. So we look at the future as not only can we run the largest concert company in the world more efficiently and the best at it, but also what other new products will drive our business to think
Your next question comes from the line of Brandon Ross with LightShed Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Hello. Just, I guess you just mentioned Live Nation 3.0, so I figured I'd take it to Web3.0. And you earlier mentioned the digital ticket and the ability to now Integrate the Blockchain. I was wondering if you could help us understand what the extra advantages are to utilizing the blockchain versus your current version of the digital ticket and maybe how heavy a lift that is for you and
Thanks, Brandon. It's a great question. We get asked it every day and I read a new article every day on all the great things it's going to solve. So let's step back. I mean blockchain, We think it's a very exciting technology.
We're currently using blockchain technology in our products, Been invested in this business for a few years now. We think it's a great technology that will help our business. I would step back from what are the problems that we're trying to solve or what are the opportunities that the blockchain specifically bring to the ticketing business. One of the great advantages in the industry is when we went from a PDF to a digital ticket, We unlocked a lot of what you keep reading about that blockchain is going to do in the future. So the digital ticket or your mobile ticket that you're now buying Has solved the biggest problem that unlocked, we've been talking about this for 2 years, identity.
Identity for us, the fan, the artist, the team And the venue knowing who sits on that seat, who's actually coming to the venue, having a communication directly with them, having a verified ticket, being able to trade that ticket, putting rules on that ticket. We currently do that now if you want to. Can you transfer it? Can you transfer it with a certain cap? All of those things that content could decide to do if they wanted to with a digital ticket.
And the service fee, I read about Being reduced, I mean the service fee could be reduced tomorrow. It's just a function of the venue, not the ticket company. So digital ticket And moving from the old PDF model that historically ran the industry has been achieved to date. We've been talking the last couple of years about The progression of adoption, COVID obviously has really sped that up. Most ticket access now does not want to be in the contact business.
So having a ticket on your mobile phone, walking into that venue, and then being able to buy a drink, Communicate with each other, upsell, you name the ideas when you have a direct communication with your fan, Those are all being unlocked right now by sports teams, by venues and artists. So we think the blockchain technology is a great heart of a technology solution to keep providing a better communication and identity platform for the fan, but that's already in place. There's nothing blockchain would bring to that that we can't, or isn't currently achieved. So we'll continue to lose blockchain to supplement and augment our platform, and continue to look to be better at it. And we think it's a great opportunity in ticketing, just getting this full access.
I would step back and Brandon, you and I have talked about this before in terms of what does a ticket company do. I mean, quite honestly, selling the ticket is the easiest part of being a ticketing company. When we talk to clients, they don't pick us because we can sell a ticket. They pick us because we have market marketing and distribution reach. They pick us because we have one of the largest marketplaces in the world to help them sell tickets.
They pick us because we have a secure great technology platform that can plug and play with their APIs and their databases and their consumer needs. And they also pick us because it's a financing mechanism. Ticketing business is about financing the venues and exchanging that for ticketing rights. So it's a full bundle to be a ticketing company And that's what Ticketmaster has delivered so successfully for so many years. And we'll continue to think lead with blockchain And bringing identity and all of the transparency and benefit, but now having that ticket With an ownership to market.
And can you
maybe talk a little bit about hello? Can you maybe talk a little bit about the collectibles angle to it? Obviously, NFTs are very popular right now. How does that integrate into your ticketing system? Or is that something that would be separate from Ticketmaster?
Right. And we think that's the great opportunity. NFTs are just another way of Can I add value to the customer relationship? Can I put a contract or privileges on that ticket for the customer? And that's a great mechanism and it's a great vehicle.
I mean, whether we sell them a T shirt to that customer coming into a concert or we sell them A PDF with a unique piece of artwork or concert moment. It's another mechanism to engage your customer, Find unique products that will let those magic memories of that event live on. So macro level, we're always in the business figuring out what else can we add to that experience that the customer would engage in to kind of cement that magic moment called the concert. So NFTs specifically on Ticketmaster side, they're working already with sports teams and festivals and everyone else about how they would how they can layer an NFT on a ticket. You can mint a ticket Admit an NFT right on top of a Ticketmaster platform and deliver it how you want.
So that's Ticketmaster will be in the delivery business using their ticket, digital ticket, blockchain and then as a customer creates its own NFT, we can sell those and bridge those together on whatever minting system and our marketplace they use. On the Live Nation side, We're deep in exploration. We have a great team that's been working on this and working with the Mark Cubans of the world and others who are smart in this space. And I think you'll see us come out with an interesting Live Nation concert NFT angle. We think it's a great way for us to engage with our fans Using that NFT and that direct relationship now to add rewards, add perks, add souvenir moments.
We've all learned from Top Shot at the NBA. So we envision Live Nation with the marketplace and looking at some of its concert moments as magic moments that we could mint and attach to our ongoing ticket festivals and special moments. So we think it's If you have IP, we think it's an exciting time to use that IP to create some exciting moments with fans that can trade it ongoing and live that moment and kind of cement that relationship they have with that July 16, 1st concert back at Jones Beach, and I got an NFT and a special souvenir ticket That's mine forever. I can trade it. I can put it in my wallet and own that moment forever.
So we think it's a fabulous moment to take a boring PDF and turn it into a magic souvenir with unlimited ideas on how you can bring that to life for the fans. So we think it's an exciting time. We think that we'll be able to use our scalable IP to launch our own ways to engage with the fan in this space,
Makes sense.
And then I guess while we're on ticketing, just one last one. With the Vivid SPAC, thought maybe It would be a good time to get some updated your updated thoughts on the secondary ticketing market. Do you see that as a growth market, I guess, as an industry, 1st of all, and then for Ticketmaster, secondly, and kind of maybe how you see the competitive landscape in that arena now?
Yes. We absolutely believe in the secondary market. It's another set of distribution platforms of getting tickets in the hands of fans. For all the reasons Michael talked about in terms of digital ticketing and identity, we think that more and more of The control over secondary will go to content, the sports teams and the artists as they have wide set of agendas in terms of what they'd like to accomplish and how they'd like to have the relationship with their fans. So we think it We think there's some evolution as it goes to digital ticketing and we absolutely support content having more control over how that happens.
We support there being more transparency in secondary, but we think it's here to stay and it will continue to be important distribution platform. We'll continue to focus on pricing to get as much of the value of those tickets in the hands of fans as we can. And I think as we look at Vivid, they've all got a similar business model, right? It's all a service fee business model. They've got customer acquisition costs associated with a lot of search and digital and we have more customer acquisition costs associated with alignment with content, but it's a similar at the end of the day business model.
We think we've got a great proposition by aligning with content and by also leveraging the scale of our Ticketmaster platform. So we like the position we're in, Whether it grows or shrinks exactly as artists price their content to market value is Less of a concern than making sure we're delivering on that content agenda.
Great. Thank you, guys.
Your next question comes from the line of Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with
your question.
Thank you. Michael, you kind of freaked me out with that July 2021, because I have tickets to the Black Rose at Jones Beach on that day. Call. Maybe you're going to be there as well, probably in better seats. I guess just picking up quickly on the secondary conversation with Brandon.
Any comments or reaction to the noise out of DC on SafeTicks Fin, what's going on? I thought it was a person that was sort of unusual to be bringing up and defending sort of the secondary market in that context, but I didn't know We sort of put the consent decree behind us, I thought. I don't know if you had any comment on that stuff since it came out over the last month or so.
Yes. It would surprise us too that right now where we are, but Pascal has Been on this mission for quite a while. So we would love to sit with his team and educate him on the business so we can get all of the idiosyncrasies Nailed because it's never as simple as it seems. So I really we look at that as a bit of a nuisance. They seem to be obviously scalpers forum.
So that's their great fear that we're going to have a digital ticket and we're going to tell you when you buy that ticket, you can only resell it at Ticketmaster. That's never been our intent. So they're kind of their main claim. I don't want to make sure if they would Sit down with us, we'd explain it's never been our intent to have a closed platform. We've actually the biggest thing I've done at Ticketmaster since taken over is rebuild this company so we can have an open platform.
Our goal is to sell that first ticket. But as we did with the NFL last year, we have an open platform with the NFL. We power the NFL, and if those secondary companies are approved by the NFL, then that ticket you buy for the NFL can be freely sold on any other platform, and used to get in the show. So, that's what we think is the best model. We think we have the largest kind of footprint from a primary platform.
We believe that if this ticket is to be resold, The content like the NFL or venues want that path forward. So not sure there's much meat To the claim, we're not looking to limit distribution, we're looking to increase distribution for the teams, venues and artists. And the best platforms will win in the end that offer the best value to the content and the fan. So that's our plan. We think we have an incredible opportunity in ticketing in that the amount of people that buy at Ticketmaster and actually resell their ticket is very, very low.
So we think we have a natural huge audience that we should do a better job of allowing you, the fan, if you just bought to think about how you can resell on our platform and maybe there's better incentives we can do for you as a fan, to make that even more seamless. But if you want to sell on other platforms as we do on the NFL, then we'll be happy to validate that ticket and let the content Decide Where It's Sold.
That's very helpful. Second, just on Veeps, I think you guys announced 60 venues have been equipped with their technology. Just any updated thoughts on how substantial that opportunity is as you guys look into reopening later this year into next year from a business point of view, business model's point of view.
Well, I think it's no different than we just talked about NFTs, right? Our job is to keep looking at our core business and making sure we can add more exciting products around that core business. We're just thrilled with the acquisition partnership with the Madden Brothers who run this on a daily basis. It's their The soul and sweat they put in, it's really all them. We've just added a bit of a fire hose by helping them with our distribution.
I think they're up to over 1,000 shows in the last year, probably grow somewhere over $10,000,000 so a good start to that business. But now you're going to see with our new clubs, we do 10,000 club shows. So you start digging into that a little bit, Adding some amphitheaters and the part we think is really exciting is our festivals. Opening up that model that in Lollapalooza instead of just rebroadcasting that for free. What if for $49 you could watch the Lollapalooza weekend or you could buy the Lollapalooza day at home And continue your party at home if you couldn't make it to the venue.
So we've seen great success in our EDM business. Pascal's blown the numbers up on his business when he does that. So we think extending the festival, which is a bit of a party at home model, It's got great opportunity and I would much rather use my festivals to add another revenue ticket to the equation than And treated as promotion value. So we're going to test that this summer and we think we'll get some learning and that will help us move forward in that place. If you just launched festival TV, you have a proposition itself there with our 150 plus festivals.
So We think that's exciting plus our club business for young artists. So new space for us. We think it's an exciting place to add value. We think there's subscription ideas forward with that. We think we can bundle it with other things.
We think there's a great foundation
Your next question comes from the line of Steven Glagoula with Cowen and Company. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, thanks for the question. The July through November period for the festivals in the U. S. And the U. K.
Appears pretty crowded. Outside the major festivals that you guys highlighted on the press release, is that having any impact adversely on consumer demand and some of those other festivals given the crowded slate. And then also with the 2021 Rock in Rio rescheduled 2022. Does that mean you will have that festival 2 years in a row now, 'twenty three also?
Well, I'll answer it backward. We're debating the rock and roll decision, so we'll get to that, the rock and We'll get to that later, after we get 22 done. No, we don't have any fear of a crowded slate. I think as you saw maybe some of our releases, we just went up with Travis Scott yesterday or the day before and Sold 100,000 tickets or Gov Ball went up because it's longest its biggest on sale ever. And Rolling Loud just is amazing.
We sold 100,000 tickets in about an hour and had 200,000 people in the waiting line. So We're just seeing demand beyond any other historic moment. So, Garth Brooks, this morning, I'm so proud he broke every Ticketmaster record in history fastest stadium sellout. So I'm thrilled for the crowd, but I'm more thrilled that our ongoing investment in Ticketmaster and the amount of strain that that causes To be the fastest selling stadium in history or do 100,000 tickets in an hour is a testament to the Ticketmaster platform because the demand, The bot, the load that hits you in that hour is amazing. So I'm proud that the Ticketmaster team is delivering, but also the demand right now is far exceeding any of our scheduling festivals right now.
Thanks, Michael. And one more, if I can. Just You spoke about the NFT impact and blockchain impact on your Ticketmaster operation. From the standpoint of artists potentially making more money monetizing their back catalog or whatnot. Does that make them become less reliant on touring as an earnings driver going forward in your view?
I'm not sure if that was a statement or question. But no, I would say that I think you've got to look at the macro pie always, right? There's always going to be a few artists that are able to sell their business at the top end. But if you look at the macro numbers, the percentage that comes from the road, the amount of artists that are dying to get back on the road, We're seeing right now greater demand than ever from artists calling us saying, when can we get back out? These are very successful and wealthy artists.
So we always look at that 2 hours on stage at a stadium is a drug that that artist Tends to want to run for his entire career. So we don't see any decline in that desire for that artist to get on stage. I think the reason you see Mick Jagger and the Stones on stage isn't financial at this point. I think it delivers something much bigger So I think that magic moment on stage is non duplicatable for the fan and something that artist doesn't get at home.
Yes, looking forward to going back to shows in the second half. Thanks, Michael.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of David Katz with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Conference. There's been an awful lot of discussion about sort of the near term demand. I wonder what data points or information or perspectives you might have about demand beyond, say, the next 12 or 18 months and how you think about Sort of
the demand curve longer term.
Yes, I guess, if you were going to model that out, you'd probably Steve, you'd be thrilled that your first data point is the biggest demand in history. So I think however you model that out for the next I don't think you're going to see any cliff on that demand. I don't think these consumers are saying, I can't wait to get through 'twenty two and then it's over. So I think this is showing. I mean, look, we always look at the I think at the most important demand curve is the 17, the 16, and 14 year old Who is the next Rolling Stones?
And our data will continually show that that young artist huge Latino star. So we're just seeing pockets of strength coming from young artists every day. Billie Eilish is Selling out instantly. So we see young artists regenerating the supply side. We see new 14 year olds going crazy for BTS all around the globe.
That's the part to me is what I look at is, is it still as important to a 14 year old To see from the Beatles to the role to NSYNC to Backstreet to Britney Spears to BTS as of today, right? So They seem to be, my 10 year old is as excited about concerts as I was when I was 10 or even more, I guess, Where he's based, but we see a great young vibrant supply demand in the business. To me, that's what you want to model in over time, is it still important to a 15 year old of today and a 20 year old of today as it was 10 28 years ago.
David, just one other thing to add. I want to just use what are the on sales of the past month as part of your indicator. This is a supply constrained business with a lot of latent demand out there. And if you look at the past decade And you look at how Live Nation went from 40,000,000 fans a year to 100,000,000 fans a year, it was by bringing more artists to more markets to more people And unlock that latent demand because of the desire that Michael talked about. So there's a long track record that would say Concern about is the demand going to be there when you've got these great artists out on the road.
Agreed. And if I may follow-up quickly, with respect to M and A, how are you thinking about sort of the timing and the boundaries and The catalysts for maybe getting out and putting some deals back on the board to grow that way.
Yes. We're Ralph go ahead.
Yes. No, I was just saying, I think we're we've been looking at our current pipes. We have a good pipe that was already in process when COVID started. We probably have 15 to 20 different venues around the world that are in some level of construction or development or opening. Those are on plan and we'll be opening up from theaters to amphitheaters.
We've got an ongoing list of promoters and festivals around the world that we've been in conversations with. We've been closed a couple of those recently and we'll keep doing that. So we will continue on our bolt on strategy as we have been for many years to keep bolstering our global foundation and opportunity markets.
We're a growth business. And whether it's growth CapEx or M and A, we're going to be continuing to invest in the business. We're obviously at a higher leverage level, but we are confident that as we continue to grow our AOI and That returns in 2022 and beyond, so that we'll have plenty of flexibility to continue to drive that growth.
Appreciate it. Thank you very much.
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Hi. It's actually Jessie McMahon on for Ryan. Thanks for taking our question. Last call you guys talked about ticket sales in the UK benefiting once guidelines and timelines for reopening have been put in place. When we see states like New York announce this week that they will start to remove capacity restrictions later this month or as other states like Texas have already acted on, are you seeing a similar step change in demand here in the U.
S? Or does it need to be done at a national level to have a similar effect?
We're absolutely seeing massive demand. I mean, today is a great Whatever it was 2 or 3 days ago, they relaxed in New York on sales today going great. Governor Ball, as Michael referred to, went on sale Far and away the best first day for Governors Ball. So as every market is getting unlocked, that's telling the fans
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