Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Newtek Business Services Corp First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference may be recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker host today, Ms.
Barry Sloan, President and CEO of Newtek Business Services Corp. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you very much, operator, and good morning, everybody, and welcome, everyone, to our first Quarter 2021 financial results conference call. It seems like yesterday, we were just doing our Our annual call, obviously, the Q1 catches up pretty quick after we produce the annual results. And with that, obviously, I wanted to Special thanks out to our accounting team, led by Nick Legere, who will be joining me on the call today, Executive Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer did a tremendous job, obviously in a transition with Nick picking up the from Chris Towers and Elise Chamberlain and their entire team working very hard to Get us out get results out and get us into the market with all of our filings. In addition, we're proud to report today's results and They're basically driven by a culture within the company of Carrot. That culture is pervasive with respect to our clients, Our channel partners and all the associates that work at Newtek either employed directly by The BDC, Newtek Small Business Finance or employed by the portfolio companies in which we own, which totaled about 420 overall.
For those of you listening in today, you
can follow the presentation along On our website, newtekonenewtekone.com, go to the Investors Relations section and you'll see it in presentations. I'd like to point everyone's attention to the note on forward looking statements on slide number 1 and then move forward to Slide number 2. So looking at our financial results, we do typically start off our presentations Noting our equity performance, I think it's important just to note that we always say that investment in Newtek needs to be done with a guide towards Long term view, long term vision with respect to what we do. Obviously, we give annual guidance Usually in November of the year preceding the guidance looking forward, we're not a quarter to quarter company. I use this expression a lot.
We're not a slide company trying to figure out exactly what that slope is in the line and not deviating from it. And we're certainly appreciative of the loyalty that our shareholders have provided us. As you could see, our 10 year return 632, 5 year returns 2 3 year returns 101, 1 year return 124. And so for this year, we're up 43.4%. We certainly appreciate how we've grown as Business Development Corporation since November of 2014.
I believe prior to the conversion we had about $80,000,000 market cap. Today we're $6.20, dollars 6.30, dollars 6.40 depending upon where the stock price falls out. Moving to slide number 3, calendar year 2020, clearly one of the most challenging Years in our 23 years of operating history, we're able to shift its business model quickly and efficiently. I think Newtek has proven to be systematically vital To the economy, when I say systematically vital, we clearly provided financing to the all important small and medium sized business demographic. In addition to that, the tech solutions that we provide our clients extremely important.
We see clearly in the news with respect to what Cybersecurity and cyber hacking can do to businesses. We work with businesses to help them make sure they're safe and secure. In addition to things like payment processing, we're seeing incredible lightning changes in how people are transacting the economy. Today, we announced that we're forecasting an annual record dividend a record annual dividend, excuse me, of between $3 a share $3.30 a share for 2021. That's up from $2.40 to $2.90 previous guidance and we have a track record of paying our distributions of dividends out of taxable income important to do so.
Company is now firing on all cylinders. We look forward to a fruitful 2021 definition of all cylinders going forward with PPP Now ending with respect to taking in new applications, that being 7, 504 lending, nonconforming lending, which we're going to be relaunching, as well as the real nice growth that we're seeing in payments and tech. Company has many levers, many streams of income, a lot of diversification. We believe it's a terrific model. We'd like to say we're an overnight success.
It just took 23 years to work out a lot of the kinks and we're still working them out, but we work hard and we pay a lot of attention. We believe Newtek and its portfolio companies are very well positioned to go into 2021 and we're going to provide a lot of forecasts and metrics in this presentation and hopefully we'll give you the same comfort. On slide number 4, we talk about dividends. We addressed
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increase in that forecast. It's a 53% increase over the midpoint of the 2020 annual dividend, which was $2.09 The dividend in 2019, I believe, was $2.18 So you can see a nice significant increase. We're forecasting full year 21.7 fundings of between $580,000,000 to $600,000,000 We're looking for a very strong second half there. Important to note, We are probably utilizing about 60% of our resources on PPP funding. That is shifting as we speak, as there are no new PPP applications being taken.
SBA 504 funding, we've had a real Good Q4 of last year and we're rolling very nicely forward in this business this year. This is a business that comes out of One of our portfolio companies NBL, we're estimating $125,000,000 of fundings and or closings. We've got some good data to chat about that. The re launch of the nonconforming conventional business, we'll chat about that, with 2 partners. PPP loans, We're indicating here at a $600,000,000 total.
We'll probably go past that and we'll talk about that in upcoming slides. Slide number 5, company paid a Q1 2021 cash dividend of $0.50 a share on March 31. And on May 11, with that being late yesterday, the Board of Directors declared a 2nd quarter 20 21 cash dividend of $0.70 to shareholders of record of June 30, 2021. And I'm sorry, payable right, payable, no, fill slot, it shows us a record on June 15, payable on June 30, 2021. This 2nd quarter dividend is a 25% increase over the prior year Q2, 52% increase over 2019.
And when you look at first half of the year, we're looking at $1.20 in dividends, that's 20% increase over last year. And given the estimate that we have for the full calendar year, we are forecasting that we'll pay out another $1.90 to $2 for the rest of the year from a forecast perspective, and we always talk about paying that out of earnings. Slide number 6, looking at the financial highlights for Q1. Shuckling down to the second bullet, dollars 1.05 Adjusted NII, the adjustments for those that are new to our story is primarily the addition of the capital gains The gain on sale from 7 lending, this was a record adjusted NII For the Q1, not for Newtek, but for the Q1, big increase over the prior year, prior quarter, primarily due to the funding of PPP loans as well as the funding of 7 loans, which were disrupted due to the pandemic in the Q1 of 2020. So we had a growth in total investment income, managed our debt to equity ratio very nicely of 1 point Total investment portfolio increased.
NAV also increasing nicely at 5.4% per share compared to the $15.45 on December last year. Slide we keep in, slide number 7, which when we sell loans that's settling over quarter, it actually inflates our debt to equity ratio Without that sales transferring over, 2nd quarter we'd be a little bit of 1.23. Moving to Slide number 8, Paycheck Protection Program. Most of you are familiar with this. We've been talking about this through various So I won't spend too much time on the slide.
However, important to note that We're going to get in excess of $1,800,000,000 of PPP loans in 2020 2021 from all the financings, probably getting close to 24,000 loan units. We're impressed by this volume of PPP loans obviously. In 2019, looking at all loans 7 and 504, Company did about $650,000,000 If you look at what our 4 KSR for 2021, dollars 600,000,000 PPP, $580,000,000 to $600,000,000 of 7, you put the 504, the NCL in there, you're looking at around $1,500,000,000 worth of loans. Important to note as you try to figure out what 2022 looks like, when you create a baseline, How do you grow the business? I think it's really important to note, you don't do $1,800,000,000 worth of loans without donating a significant amount of time, attention and resources to it.
That time, attention, resources and staffing will now be devoted to the other segments that Newtek has been actively involved in. Historically, I do want to point out if you go back to 20 2019. Without PPP, we did about $2.32 I think of adjusted NII We're 2 years further down the road. We're 2 years better. We've really got a lot more products, a lot more firepower.
So for those of you who are trying to figure out where are we without that business, we're pretty comfortable with it and we're pretty comfortable Where we are in the market with respect to business plan, share price, be able to deliver, look for us to forecast 2022 as we get out probably in October, November. Let's go to slide number 10. Looking at our 7 highlights, dollars 104,000,000 of 7 loans funded compared to 52,800,000 In the year or earlier same quarter, up from $97,800,000 I once again point out $97,800,000 was done without any PPP. So we were very busy with funding 7a and PPP at the same time using similar resources. Let's see.
Last bullet focusing on price, which we'll talk about also in a later slide. Company made a decision due to price stability and loan sales. We've held over about $40,300,000 in guaranteed portions of 7 loans on the balance sheet. We have plenty of capital, not highly leveraged, Take advantage of that 96% coupon and earn additional interest income during the quarter. Slide number 12, baby bond issuance.
In January, we closed a $150,000,000 public offering of 5.5 percent notes. These notes are investment grade rated by Egan Jones, BBB plus that's the rating of the holding company and the notes by Egan Jones. These notes have a 5 year term and are callable without any prepayment penalty after 1 To potentially take advantage of dropping rates or any other opportunities that we have to basically use increased leverage and grow our business model overall. Obviously, the capital raise creates a drag on AN and I due to the refinance, The acceleration of the refinance fee on the other notes, but the baby bonds lock in a lower financing rate for 5 years That cost us about $1,000,000 or $0.45 to drive them in the 1st quarter. Let's see.
Moving forward to Slide number 12, Some additional lending highlights, dollars 20,700,000 of 504 loans funded in Q1, dollars 31,000,000 funded in the month of April. So if you put that together, 1st 4 months of the year, 33% of the year gone, funded about $52,000,000 of 504 loans. We're pretty excited about our opportunities in NBL and 504, a portfolio company. We're forecasting approximately $6,000,000 of pre tax income for the year. NBL did not dividend any earnings up.
You'll see that in our Q, nor did NMS, North NTS in Q1, those independent boards elected to keep the earnings and the cash flow down at the portfolio company level. Slide number 13, positive cost cutting effects on COVID-nineteen, we've obviously heard the story from others and it's true with the Newtek that one of the benefits of the pandemic was it really caused companies to Focus on business, shift their business model, make changes that will be consistent going forward. Our real estate footprint continued to shrink. We were able to get out of our New York City lease at 1 of our portfolio companies at no expense whatsoever. Our Irvine lease, we let go.
That was a BDC expense. The Milwaukee lease and MMS expense, We let that go, no longer affects us. San Antonio, Dallas, also portfolio company leases let go. And Phoenix, The headquarters for Managed Tech Solutions, we moved into the aligned data center. We gave up our office Square footage around 8,000 square feet and moved some office space into the line data center for our staff to be when they need to be near our hardware and software.
Clearly, we've developed other software systems to manage employees' efficiency working remotely through our time tracker program, which gives managers the ability to monitor what staff is doing 20 fourseven through looking at all text messages, Recorded phone calls, inbound, outbound, time on the phone, did a great job in helping us Work with staff to make sure they're doing what we need them to do during the pandemic. It's shown in our results. Our staff worked extremely hard, Really caring and developed tremendous solutions for our clients that needed help with tech, payments, loans, etcetera. Also our staff benefited tremendously from 9th Avenue Commute. Whether that's a half an hour each way, an hour each way, We're pretty well set up going forward.
We most likely will adopt the hybrid model, continue to use our office space in key locations for meetings, cooperation, coordination, communication, which we think is extremely important going forward. Slide number 15. As we look at our organization and we talked about this generally speaking, the solutions that we have, whether it's People needing help with their new insurance plans, adjustments in tech solutions, adjustments in e commerce, meaning additional capital for growth, whatever it might be, tremendous opportunities in challenging markets for all the Newtek Business Silos. And we're very, very well positioned for the future across the company. Slide number 15 is a slide that we Leave in our deck for newbies to our company.
For those of you that aren't familiar, we're the 4th largest 7 lender including banks, largest non bank. I've been in the business since 2003. We've done 10 rated securitizations of our uninsured pieces. We have a diversified portfolio of uninsured loans on our books, dollars 172,000 average, 6% Coupon currently quarterly adjust, price list 2.75%. Slide number 16, growth in loan referrals.
Important slide for us as we continue to grow our business. 1st quarter, 177,000 loan referrals and units. We have a deep database of opportunities, Cross selling efforts are being realized. We've been doing this over the course of 18 years. We do look forward to more normalized lending environment to focus all of our efforts and energies with those referrals and others on 7, 504, NCL and secured line of credit.
Slide number 17, important for on sale. We're clearly seeing excessive pricing in the government guarantee market. 1st quarter, we averaged 13.2% in net to us, a significant increase over historic prices and trends. Prices will go back once the SBA eliminates or I should say replaces a 55 basis point fee, which was eliminated due to one of the COVID programs. The 55 basis points comes out of the coupon, That reduces the coupon we pass through investors, which reduces the price.
We do expect this to come back down to a more normalized level, But also prepayment speeds as well as a well behaved portfolio are another reason why All of the securities have traded so well across the industry. We did make a comment previously that we held $40,000,000 over in the Q1 to take advantage of the extra carry. Slide number 18, We always want to point out that we have a seasoned portfolio on our books. As of March 31, the uninsured portions are SBA loans, 37.4 months of seasoning. We have a good piece of research in there that talks about the default curve.
Understand that the pandemic may have changed some of this historic seasoning around, We do enjoy and like the fact that we've got a nice seasoned portfolio of business owners that have been with their business for quite a while. Slide number 19, currency rate, you could see approximately 95%. We appreciate the currency rate. We do think it might potentially degrade as the year goes on as we lose some weaker businesses that aren't fully able to recover Through the pandemic, but we're very pleased where we sit here today. I think an interesting data point, which some of you will be able to Do a little research when you pull out the current Q.
If you go back and look at total gross dollars In our non accrual portfolio marked at fair value, those were like $34,200,000 in December 31, 2019 $29,400,000 December 31, 2020 and the threethirty onetwenty 1 down to $27,200,000 So we made a nice Downward movement on our non accrual portfolio and many people look at our loans and they try to for comparisons to a bank portfolio, to a credit card portfolio or in the BDC world to a BDC portfolio. And I'm telling you, I just can't. First of all, please take into effect that in many different jurisdictions, you still can't foreclose, particularly over the last year, That's been the case in many different areas. So if you have non accruals, it takes a long time to work them off. We've had some really good experience, particularly with the valuation of real estate, which are backing majority of these uninsured loans.
We had one instance of a Motel in the hills of North Carolina, which we were able to liquidate, get all our cash back. I mean, one might not think That a hotel in a pandemic would do well, well, we were able to recoup everything, including accrued interest based upon personal guarantees, other assets to the borrowers and frankly, Good property, good location, good business. So the new owner, we wish them well. We certainly appreciate getting paid off in full. Slide number 20 21 are basic slides in our deck.
I won't go into them, but it's indicative of cash created on the 7 loan For income and for cash, let's move into our portfolio company review. On slide number 23, We talked about 504 lending. We talked about approximately $52,000,000 of SB 504 loans closed and funded through the end of April. We're real excited about that. We're real excited also that we've got 2 504 facilities, dollars 100,000,000 facility with Deutsche Bank, $75,000,000 existing facility with Capital One, which got renewed.
This gives us the ability to, with a lot of confidence, go out and Grow this business, the 504 business extremely interesting, the 504 second debentures have a 2.85 So that gives our borrowers a tremendous opportunity between our first to blend it. We are big fans of the 504 Business, 24 is a depiction of how you make a 504 loan. 25 talks about The return on equity of the business, one of the nice aspects of this business is you make a loan, You get taken out by the 2nd debenture by the SBA and you have a 504 First, which we've been selling readily and frequently and you're left with no balance sheet. And in some cases, you're able to retain the servicing when you sell the 1st somersault service for lease. We've had good success on that in this particular calendar year.
Going to Slide number 26, we talk about our we refer to as a non conventional loan portfolio. Real good performer during the pandemic. It's funny we sometimes have to answer questions. Well, how does your portfolio do When you have a credit crisis and we go like the one we just had, well, we've done very well. Our portfolio is Really done well.
We had a couple of loans pay off actually during the pandemic. And it's really been a very well behaved portfolio. We are announcing today on Slide number 27, as we have previously that we've signed New joint venture agreements, one player we have the JV signed. It's a middle market financing company. We're excited to get going on that.
We're putting a leverage facility in place. 2nd entity, We have an agreement on the term sheet. We're close to finishing the JV agreement. Global Money Manager, so these are important businesses which really have a Real nice effect in 2022 and should produce some income in 2021 out of our JVs. As a reminder, all our IGVs and controlled portfolio companies are taxable.
Slide number 28, we talk about our merchant business. A lot of information in our queue on the merchant business as it is a significant portfolio company. Therefore, we've got to give A material lot more information from an SEC perspective. Equity fair value of 111,000,000 Enterprise value $119,000,000 and we're forecasting about $14,500,000 EBITDA. We also did not distribute any of our earnings in Q1 from this business.
Looking at slide number 29 And looking at the value for NMS, we had a very significant increase And sales volume for the month of April 2021, which was the depth of the pandemic, believe we're down 30% to 35% in April 2020 versus April 2019. So an increase of 51% obviously is a total increase pre pandemic, a lot of stimulus in the economy. We anticipate continued growth in processing volumes. We're seeing some really nice numbers coming in for May, a little too premature to forecast that only 12 days in. But when we look at our payments business, we believe we're a winner in this space as we've got the right Software and Product Solutions, our instant merchant account, Newtek Payment Systems, Newtek Billing Manager, All great products.
We have products for financial institutions like demand deposit opening, principal and interest payment. So we're excited about our Future for NMS, particularly with the addition of our new hiring staff, we have 4 new major executives joining the management team of Mike Campbell David Devers, we refer to them as the Class of 2021. They're adding a lot of oomph, structure, Policy and procedure and strategy to that business. We're excited about it. Slide number 30, we've historically talked about Newtek Payment Systems.
I would just suggest the easiest way to get your arms around Newtek Payment Systems. Go to our website newtekpaymentsystems.com. It's a great video. This is our point of sale system. It's a cloud based system, processes payments present, Integrates with e commerce.
So in an inflation adjusted world, if the cost of your fish, chicken or steak is going up, you don't have to go to your web designer and change it you just changed it in the POS, automatically changed it on the e commerce site. It integrates with all the food delivery services, Integrates with general ledger accounting software, DoorDash, Uber Eats, Grubhub, also integrates with Newtek Payroll Solutions, The time and attendance function pushes right into payroll, so that this is a system that handles payroll, taxes, Workman's comp, health insurance, 401, card present and e commerce. For depositories, we can white label this in their name to give them total branding for the business, for the employees in the business and for people that are going into restaurants at the table at Pet with Pay at the Table Solutions. Slide number 31, Our technology portfolio companies will be fully merging them in at the end of June. We're really excited about the great rebound we've had In our Tech business, we continue to state and say that this is the business or segment from a growth and multiple perspective We're most optimistic about, not that we don't love all our children, but the amount of work that needs to be done Managing hardware and software 20 fourseven, particularly for the SMB market is significant.
We're forecasting an EBITDA of about $6,000,000 for the calendar year. We've got to stay at an NAV at 7,000,000 No dividend distributions were made by the portfolio company up. From an earnings standpoint, they were all retained to invest in that business. Slide number 32, we talk about the purpose of merger, Being able to provide hardware, software, professional services and managed services and be able to do that to Major organizations, some of the biggest ones in the United States as well as small and medium sized businesses 20 fourseven. The merger consolidation reduced back office accounting and operational expenses that should drop right to the bottom line.
Obviously, we talked about What we see is the huge opportunity in cloud services, whether it's infrastructure as a service, Disaster Recovery as a Service, Software as a Service, Security Mail, Hybrid Cloud, Storage as a Service, Public cloud, we can do it all. Slide 34, silo 45, Our payment our payroll business doing real well. Insurance Agency is still polishing up our offering here, but getting better every day. We're excited about these 2 units as well as a total bundle. Looking at Newtek from a risk reward standpoint, I think it's important to note that we've clearly illustrated that in the presentation today.
Our business model allows for alternative streams of reoccurring income giving it many engines of growth and diversified sources of revenue. Our business model utilizes technology to acquire clients in the most cost effective manner, process business remotely without brokers, bankers, branches or BDOs, which we believe creates value, particularly in the current environment and in the environment going forward. We believe that Newtek's homegrown technology with respect to its new tracker system and secure file vault, the solutions that it's creating in payments will be used one day for resale to financial institutions demonstrating its innate value not too dissimilar from what Live Oak Bank has been able to do. We believe shareholders can realize long term rewards due to our unique infrastructure and business methodology. On to Slide number 36, if you look for catalysts, the renewed 7 effort to resume joint venture activity with respect to Conventional lending, real good opportunity there.
The growth of EBITDA in Tech, which I think if you go back approximately 3 or 4 years, you look at these combined entities, they were probably flat. Now, dollars 6,000,000 of EBITDA and growing, we're excited about it, as well as the repositioning of our payments business. Going to slide number 7, once again can't say it enough. We're different differentiated diversified BDC model. So for those of you that are going, gee, This is a huge premium to NAV.
That is a measure. However, The standard BDC does not grow its earnings. It does not grow its dividend. So therefore, there shouldn't be much of movement in NAV. I mean, it's just math.
Stock prices are based upon future stream of income. And given that we're different, different from the standpoint that we can grow Our dividend grower income, which we've historically been able to demonstrate, that's why we get a bigger multiple. And it certainly makes sense to me, hopefully makes sense to which certainly makes sense to investors that have bought our stock over 10.5.3 in the last year. With that, I'd like to turn the presentation over to Nick Legere, our Chief Accounting Officer.
Thank you, Barry, and good morning, everyone. You can find a summary of our Q1 2021 results on Slide 39 as well as a reconciliation of our adjusted net investment income or adjusted NII on Slide 41. For the Q1 of 2021, we had net investment income of $15,200,000 or $0.68 per share as compared to a net investment loss of $280,000 or negative $0.01 per share in the Q1 of 2020. This represents 126% increase on a per share basis. Please note that the income related to the PPP is included in investment income in 2021.
Adjusted net investment income, which is Find on Slide 41 was $23,500,000 or $1.05 per share in the Q1 of 2021 as compared to $4,300,000 or $0.21 per share for the Q1 of 2020. Focusing on Q1 2021 highlights, we recognized $34,700,000 in total investment income, a 119% increase over the Q1 of 2020 total investment income of $15,800,000 Interest income related to the fees from the PPP was primarily the driver for the increase. We recognized $24,200,000 of income related to the origination of approximately $425,000,000 of PPP loans during the Q1 of 2021. There were no distributions from portfolio companies for the Q1 of 2021 as compared to $4,400,000 in the Q1 of 2020. Moving on to expenses.
Total expenses increased by $3,400,000 as compared to the same quarter in 2020 or 21%, which was mainly driven by an increase in the SBA 7 loan Gains realized gains recognized from the sale of the guaranteed portion of SBA loans sold during the Q1 totaled $8,900,000 as compared to $5,000,000 during the same quarter in 2020. In the Q1 of 2021, we sold 107 loans for $57,800,000 at an average premium of 13.3 percent as compared to 67 loans sold during the Q1 of 2020 for $38,100,000 at an average premium of 10.9%. The increase in realized gains was attributed to higher SBA 7 loan origination volume in the Q1, combined with higher average premium prices when comparing to the Q1 2020. As I mentioned earlier, income related to the PPP is included in investment income, not in realized gains. Realized losses on SBA non affiliate investments for the Q1 of 2021 was $1,500,000 as compared to $447,000 in the Q1 of 2020.
Overall, our operating results for the Q1 of 2021 resulted in a net increase in net assets of $30,100,000 or $1.35 per share and we ended the quarter with NAV per share of $16.28 I'd now like to turn the call back over to Barry.
Thank you, Nick. Appreciate that. Operator, we'd love to open it up for Q and A.
And our first question coming from the line of Paul Johnson. Your line is open.
Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First question today, I'd just like to get maybe a little bit of commentary On just the lack of income from the control companies this quarter and I guess just what drove that and Whether that was due to like retaining earnings or that's something we could expect going forward, but Any color there would be helpful.
Sure. Appreciate that, Paul. As we As stated in the presentation, there was no lack of income. There was just no distribution. The portfolio companies Independently make decisions whether to distribute income and dividends or retain the capital for other uses.
So we did forecast earnings from entities like NBC. We forecasted earnings on NMS. We forecasted earnings on Managed Tech Solutions, which would be 3 of the larger entities that typically do dividend out. So no, there was income, But those entities decided not to distribute.
Okay. Thanks for that. And then maybe just get a little bit more, I mean, I know you touched on it a little bit Commentary on just your decision to hang on to some of the guaranteed loans that were originated this Quarter, do you think you'd expect to continue kind of doing that here in the quarters ahead? Or is this more of a just Sort of a one time thing that you chose to do just given the strength of premium support.
Yes, I would say and that's a good question, Paul. We are classically originate and sell. We're in a market that isn't classic these days. A couple of things. 1, we have Excess Capital and her belief regarding pricing, which is that these particular securities are very attractive, not highly likely to prepay quickly.
And the current price movements. So, hey, just hang on to the coupon. But I think it's a although it I can't forecast this with specificity. I think it's Likely we will take advantage of the strong pricing that the 7 market will have all the way through September 30, where the 55 basis points which will get taken out of the coupon, okay, will ultimately reduce prices on October 1 versus September 30. So, I mean, that's about as best we can do.
I think the important aspect of the We have not changed our methodology. We had a lot of excess capital and 6% coupon is better than keeping it at 0.
Sure. Yes, it's understandable. And then lastly, I'd maybe just Kind of like to get your sense of the borrowers in your portfolio and then possibly also just companies or loans that you've Looked at here recently, have you noticed, especially for small businesses, businesses with That are more labor intensive. Have you noticed any sort of inflation or wage pressures on these businesses cropping up Again, within your portfolio or sort of across the landscape of borrowers that you look at?
I think that we definitely hear and see Part of it is you hear it and see it on TV, right? And the reality of it is it's true. Labor is tight right now, which is kind of odd because there's a reasonably high unemployment rate. I do believe this is a short term phenomenon. When I say short term phenomenon, we got another couple of months to go through it.
I think people are figuring it out. I think that to be frank with you, some of these owners, although they're not going to say it on TV, will wind up paying their staff off the books rather than on the books to make things work. But the one thing about our customer base, they are resilient and they don't go down very easy. So, but there's no question there is a bit of a labor shortage, but I think 90 days down the road that goes away as these unemployment benefits
Our next question coming from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Good morning, guys, and congratulations on the quarter with or without PPP, frankly. On just going back Kind of to Paul's question on the dividend from the portfolio company. I understand the point that they didn't they elected not to distribute in Q1. You've given us some earnings outlooks for those, which will flow through into NAV or dividend, right? So It's just different places where it shows up.
But is it you expect do you have any color you can give us on whether you expect That dividend the dividend non distribution pattern to continue for Over the long period, maybe all year. I mean, it sounds like they've got a lot of investment opportunities. So is that just Your expectations maybe they don't distribute this year and they do again next year or give us any color there a little longer term?
Robert, it's a great question and we probably won't know that for sure until we keep moving through the quarter. However, From your perspective, I always think history is a reasonable guide to look at. And from that perspective, I think you could think about, number 1, we laid guidance out there That's important for us to be able to deliver in our current Format between $3,000,000 and $3,030,000,000 of dividend net of income. I think historically, those companies have distributed their income. But right now, some of them are looking at Reinvesting in new loans, like in NBL.
There's some very interesting technologies that are available In some of these entities, the M and A side of thing has clearly loosened things up. There are winners and losers. So, but I think looking at history as I can't determine that. It's a great question, but and I understand what you need to do on your side of it As you relook at the company and reforecast, Well, I would use history as a guide. I think that'll you'll be okay with that.
Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you. On the conventional engine JVs, I'm sorry, I don't have the presentation except in front of me. I mean, are these expected to be fifty-fifty JVs are going to give me any high level view on what you expect the structures to be.
I just don't have that kind of information If it's in the presentation, I don't even know it's in there. But can you give us any color? No. It's obviously you gave us the it's going to grow, but what's the rough The
fifty-fifty structure, which was our original structure. And this is, I'll just say publicly available, we could talk about it. On the deal that got inked, it's identical. It's identical. So the JV that is Live in action, it's a fifty-fifty JV.
And now let me make this one comment. All the JVs that are done Our fifty-fifty with respect to a true partnership. So that means all decisioning are split with with the JV partner, which is why it's important that we pick really good partners that we have the same viewpoint and same vision on, because we're stuck to each other. But the economics, everything is fifty-fifty on that JV that got printed, yes.
Got it. Got it. Thank you. One moment, if I can. On the 504s, I mean, your guidance is $125,000,000 for the year.
You've done 52 already through April. Is this a counter seasonal business? I mean, obviously, 704s tend to be more back end Is the 504 were more front end loaded or more even distribution? Or is the 125 just a very conservative number?
Yes. I think it's a fair question. And so here's my angst sitting in the seat. If you look at what we did in April versus what I did more loans in April, fundings and closings, than I did in the Q1. Right.
So I really think if you stick to the $125,000,000 you'd be good.
Okay. Fair enough. Yes. I mean that April was the genesis of the question. Yes, it's
very hard to gauge the 504 business because In the 7 business, we have full delegated underwriting. In the 504 business, the CDC has got to approve it, The SBA has got to approve it and then you're good to go. And depending upon supply and demand, that stuff could get Tied up, slowed down, it messes up all your numbers. So, yes, that's why having these differentiated Business lines and models has enabled us to do okay. Things are moving around.
I think if you stick to the 125, It's a very good guess.
Okay, got it. I appreciate it. Thank you. And again, congrats on the quarter.
Thank you, Robert. Thank you very much.
And our next question coming from the line of Richard Greenspan with UBS. Your line is open.
Thank you. Good work, Barry. How are you doing? Thanks, Rich. Thank you.
I wanted to just ask, how important are the portfolio companies as a contributor to total earnings, Sabre, the SBA 7 lending. Yes. Look, I think that For the long term investors and holders of Newtek, hopefully, it's readily apparent that We believe in all 5 silos. And historically, as a percentage of the dividend income, The portfolio companies have contributed with the exception of last year, which I'll go into for a second, somewhere between 35% and 30% of the income that wound up being distributed. Now that's beneficial because that income is taxed.
So, in the distribution that income comes through as qualified. So for those holding the stock in a Taxable account is beneficial for those in a that income comes through as qualified. So for those holding the stock in a taxable account, it's beneficial. For those in a Retirement account, it's irrelevant. Those businesses are real important.
We're going to continue to dedicate ourselves to growing them, Making them pertinent, that's what prospectively increases the net asset value of the company, amongst other things in addition to growing the dividend. And I think for investors that are trying to figure out on a going forward basis, I would suggest we go back to the 2019 numbers, Take a look at where we were where there was no PPP. We're 2 years down the road. We're 2 years better. Our technology is better.
Our human capital is better. Our alliance partners are better. And it's a good base to begin to forecast We know where we might be without PPP, but we have exciting futures ahead for payments, tech and ultimately payroll and insurance. I appreciate the question, Rich. Thank you.
All right. Thanks, Barry.
Thanks.
And our next question coming from the line of Scott Sullivan with Raymond James. Your line is open. Scott Sullivan, your line is open. Please check your mute button.
Sorry, I had mute on there, apologies.
That's the 2021 version of a conference call question Scott.
Exactly, Exactly, user error. My question also centers around where you see Newtek after the windfall PPP business. And can you give us some color on the improved resources and some of the other areas for 'twenty two and beyond?
Sure. Scott, I think that we've mentioned this in the presentation. In 2020 2021, 24,000 units processed, Close to $1,800,000,000 in PPP funded loans, that's a lot of wood burning. That's a lot of management time. That's a lot of software development, that's a lot of closing, that's a lot of conversations with clients in addition to the fact that we've got 24,000 New units with clients that we process.
And to do the 24,000, I'm going to say we must have spoken to 60 or 70 and maybe took a lot more data in on a lot of others. So Those resources are going to get shifted. They're going to get shifted to 7 they're going to get shifted to 504, they're going to get shifted to non conforming because All that stuff comes in, in the front end of the funnel. In addition, the management resources of myself, the accounting department, the legal department, The sales and marketing department will now shift to all the 5 silos, so that we will be able to, God willing and prospectively grow payments, grow tech, grow insurance, grow payroll, sharpen up our new tracker system, Develop new alliance and channel partners. So I think that we're very excited about where we are.
We don't have any new PPP loans coming through. We've probably got a good amount to still process left. There's still a window To get these things funded, forgiveness, we've done, I think, a really good job in automation to automate the forgiveness process with clients that have stepped up to the plate. We're working on that from a servicing standpoint. And I feel pretty good about our ability to Sustain attractive levels of income without PPP.
Once again, I go back to that 20 'nineteen adjusted EBITDA number of $2.31 which obviously is going to be markedly different than this year. And I go, okay, now we're looking out next year. So it will be 2021 under our belt with a run rate, Particularly with NCL coming on, I think we're going to be just fine. I'm excited about it. And I think when you look at us versus other BDCs, it's night and day.
Yes, totally agree. That's very helpful. So given the impressive growth metrics in what I like to call the FinTech side of your company, How scalable is this model? In other words, would it be an attractive thing potentially to M and A? And what is separately, what is the greatest post PPP opportunity?
So
I think that from our standpoint, we got to do what's best for All of our stakeholders and I think that we built a model business that works great in the BDC construct, But it could also work well in other constructs. And that's why when everybody else is doing 5 year fully locked out notes, we're willing to give up some coupon to have that flexibility. I just think that we owe that to people to do what's best for everybody that's involved. Relative to when you look at what we're involved with, And it's funny, you mentioned the word fintech. So I don't think we're a fintech, I think we're a new tech.
So I'd like to use that word because I don't know what the Fintechs are doing to be honest with you. And I say that euphemistically, but I know what Newtek is doing. In Newtek, what we do is we take Real smart technologies and apply them to tried and true principles. And let's be clear. You could do payroll by going to Quicken or QuickBooks, not talking to anybody, Putting in a little bit of data and getting some kind of a result.
But God forbid, if you've got a question or a problem or a concern, You got nothing to do. The same thing, I guess, you can go buy an insurance policy from Lemonade and go online, you have nobody to talk to. Or for that matter, you can try to go online and get a loan from LendingClub And you might get a personal loan. I don't know whether they're doing business or not, but there's nobody to talk to. Our business model is there To provide technology and a human being associated with the solution because our business clients, particularly the larger ones, and I say the larger ones, We service 2 employee companies.
We service 20, we service 200, we service 2,000. We're there for all of them. And In many instances, the 2 or 5 person company ultimately grow significantly larger and we're able to keep them and retain them. So we're very excited about our business model, how we're positioned, where we sit today. We've got the right capital structure.
Our equity is in good shape. Our liquidity is in good shape. Boy, what a difference a year makes, right?
Yes, man. Absolutely. Well, that's great. Thank you again and congratulations.
Thank you. Appreciate it, Scott. Thank you very much.
Our next question coming from the line of Mira Ross with Compass Point. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning. Congratulations. It is a good quarter. I'm new to this story, so I may ask a question that's very naive. But do you provide those business services to customers that are not applying for credit.
Yes. Thank you, Marillyn. I appreciate you picking up coverage on us. 100 percent absolutely yes. I think it's important to note that there is no zero requirement To take 2 products, very important.
We don't tie many of our Clients that are dealing with us in Payroll or Tech don't borrow any money at all. That's actually almost more the rule. There is no rule on it. We like them to do multiple things And in many cases, they do. But no, there's no tie between the 2 at all.
Okay. So if you were to look at the opportunity to continue to deepen your client list, it's not tied to the referrals to your credit programs?
Not at all. And the one skill we need to get better at, which we've recognized, is the ability to outbound into the existing customer base and Introduce so many times we will speak to our clients because you guys didn't know you did that.
So
this is the one skill set that we're currently not very good at, but it is a target focus and I greatly appreciate the question.
Okay. Now this question is truly a question of anonymous, but you're looking at a rapid ramp in the second half And you mentioned that the net premiums will go down at the end of September And the 2 kind of work against each other. So aside from the dividends from the portfolio companies, what gives you the Confident that the year will end with a higher dividend run rate.
Well, yes, it's a good question. I guess the first thing is 23 years or other experience with the model where we're comfortable. And from a pricing standpoint, we clearly will seek to get Whatever can get sold through September 30 sold. In addition to that, The 7 market and one of our slides sort of has what it's been over the last 5 or 6 years. It's not like it's going to well, first of all, anything can happen, okay?
But we don't expect it to go from like 113 and change down to like 109. So for argument's sake, let's say, for example, it goes to 111.5 That's I mean, all of this is factored into Our own internal forecasting. So we've already assumed in our own modeling when we go out and give dividend guidance That will probably not have as an attractive price in the Q4. By the way, the other thing, Merrill, too, to think about is the 90% guarantees will convert to a 75% guarantee post September. So all of that is factored into our forecasting and modeling.
In addition to the fact that we think Most likely and this happens every single year, it's happened for 17 years, the biggest loan volume hits in Q4. I wish it were different, but that's
No, it's the seasonality of small business, right?
Exactly. I can't make a borrower fund in September when they want to fund in December.
Right, right, right. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you. Thank you, Merrill. All right.
Our next question coming from the line of Paul Johnson from KBW.
Yes. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions again. I just had Sort of one modeling follow-up for you guys. I was just wondering about sort of like G and A expenses, Comp expenses just quarter over quarter, year over year are obviously up.
You guys are coming off a pretty successful year, so maybe no surprise there. But I'm just curious kind of from this level $4,500,000 this quarter for salary and comp expense. Should we kind of expect this sort of level from here going forward? Or is there any kind of one time items in there that would maybe Yes, come down to more of a normalized level in the quarters ahead.
Yes. Paul, I'm glad you brought that up because that is Something to think about, and it also gives you insight into our thought And that is, we think that this particular calendar year, Given PPP, given the economy, given the way our staff has worked incredibly hard, we felt it important to reward them. Now the comp expense, it was very I don't think it's broken out this way, but it was very bonus Related and it was also offered what I'll call an a meritocracy. So in addition to our shareholders benefiting and our creditors benefiting and our suppliers benefiting, we wanted to make sure that our staff benefited. So I think that it's Reasonable to assume not on a straight line basis however that We'll have an elevated level of comp in 2021 versus 2020.
But You won't see that going out unless it's sort of commensurate with what we're doing. So I don't know if I would if that was helpful. I didn't put numbers around it, but I think it's an important note that our comp jumped. It's not because My total salaries jumped by, say, 50%. It was that we wanted to make sure that Our other stakeholders, which is our staff, equally benefited because they wound up producing the results at the end of the day.
So that's where that's coming from. I don't know if that's helpful, but hopefully somewhat.
Yes. No, That's helpful for me. Thanks for taking my questions again and congrats on the good quarter.
Thank you again. Operator, I've got one more analyst who is not able to make the call because he was doubled up, Mickey Schleien. I'm going to read his questions off. Mickey Schleien from Ladenburg. First question, the outlook for 7 day pricing and why has it been so strong?
We chatted about that and that has to do with the 55 basis point government guarantee fee that will get reintroduced in post September 30, which will reduce the coupon. How can Noot take advantage given that the 4th quarter tends to be the strongest? Generally, we can except that we We'll try to pull as much loan closings as we can into the Q3. And then the last question was for Mickey, To give a sense of the pro form a results without PPP and my suggestion, which I guess that's the Mickey unfortunately Mickey got to go last. But I think using the 2019 base, assuming we've grown significantly from that, looking at Historic distributions from all different entities with the growth rate should be able to get you there and give you a base and be able to pull this out.
But also please do so with The fact that it takes a lot to do $1,800,000,000 worth of loans in 24,000 to 25,000 units. So Really appreciate the questions, the thoughtfulness, the investment and look forward to producing great results the rest of the year and beyond. So I'm assuming, operator, there's no more questions.
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