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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Nov 2, 2021

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Jesse, and I'm your event operator for today. I'd like to welcome everyone to today's conference entitled The Public Service Enterprise Group Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session for members of the financial community. At that time, if you have a question, you'll need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypads. To withdraw your question, you may press the pound key. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, November 2nd, 2021, and will be available as an audio webcast on PSEG's Investor Relations website at investor.pseg.com. I'll now turn the call over to your moderator for today, Carlotta Chan. Ma'am, you may go ahead.

Carlotta Chan
VP of Investor Relations, PSEG

Thank you, Jesse. Good morning. PSEG has posted its third quarter 2021 earnings release attachments and slides detailing operating results by company on our website at investor.pseg.com, and our 10-Q will be filed shortly. The earnings release and other matters discussed during today's call contain forward-looking statements and estimates that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. We will also discuss non-GAAP operating earnings and non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA, which differ from net income or loss as reported in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles in the United States. We include reconciliations of our non-GAAP financial measures and a disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements on our IR website and in today's earnings material. I'll now turn the call over to Ralph Izzo, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer of PSEG. Joining Ralph on today's call is Daniel J. Cregg, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

At the conclusion of their remarks, there will be time for your questions.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Thank you, Carlotta, and to all of you for joining us on our call this morning. As you have seen, PSEG reported non-GAAP operating earnings of $0.98 per share for the third quarter of 2021 versus $0.96 per share in the year-ago quarter. GAAP results for the third quarter were a $3.10 per share net loss related to transition charges at PSEG Power, and they compare with a $1.14 per share of net income for the third quarter of 2020. In this year's quarter, PSEG Power recorded a pre-tax impairment loss of approximately $2.17 billion to reflect the announced sale of its fossil generating fleet that includes $13 million of other related costs.

Results for the third quarter bring non-GAAP operating earnings for the first nine months of 2021 to $2.96 per share. This 6.5% increase over non-GAAP results of $2.78 per share for the first nine months of 2020 reflects the growing contribution from our regulated operations and continued de-risking at PSEG Power. Slides 12 and 14 summarize the results for the third quarter and the first nine months of 2021. The third quarter of 2021 was one of the most significant in recent PSEG history. Since July, we've announced the sale of Power's fossil fleet and reached the transmission rate settlement that will help lower customer bills.

In addition, at our recent investor conference, we announced an increase in our 5-year capital spending plan by $1 billion, a $0.12 per share increase to the common stock dividend for 2022, a $500 million share repurchase program expected to be implemented upon the close of the fossil sale, and initiated a 5%-7% long-term earnings growth projection over the 2022-2025 period. On the ESG front, we advanced our decarbonization efforts with the elimination of coal in our fuel mix this past June. Our participation in the New Jersey Wind Port and ongoing consideration of regional offshore wind opportunities in generation and transmission demonstrates our alignment with clean energy agenda. Our Clean Energy Future program was recently named a Star of Energy Efficiency recipient.

Of critical importance, we have staked out a leadership position in the industry by accelerating our net zero vision to 2030 and joining the UN-backed Race to Zero campaign that will put us on a path to establish science-based targets to all of our emissions across scopes one, two, and three. Later this week, I will be attending the Conference of the Parties, referred to as COP26, to engage with policymakers and further support emissions reductions goals. This includes advocating for climate action now and advancing the case for preserving existing nuclear generation. This month, we issued a combined sustainability and climate report that outlines our progress to date and commitments for the future. We intend to continue taking meaningful climate action in response to the increased frequency and severity of extreme weather in our service area.

Speaking of extreme weather, Tropical Storm Ida soaked parts of New Jersey with nearly 9 in of rain within a 24-hour period and caused extensive flooding throughout the state. Our past and current Energy Strong investments that hardened flood-prone energy infrastructure brought tremendous benefit to customers during Ida, minimizing the damage to adapted substations and switching stations and keeping them operational. That said, the extreme weather did wreak havoc throughout our service area, and our thoughts go out to the families who lost loved ones to the storm and to the communities still recovering from flood-damaged homes and businesses. To continue these investment enhancements and bring them closer to the customer, we are expanding our reliability improvement programs to the last mile work we will propose in our upcoming Infrastructure Advancement Program, which we plan to file with the BPU in a few days.

This proposal, if approved, would direct approximately $848 million of investment over a four-year period to improve the reliability of our electric distribution system, addressing aging substations and gas metering and regulating stations, and electric vehicle charging infrastructure at PSEG facilities that will support the planned electrification of the utility fleet. All this while serving the dual purpose of creating important high-quality jobs and helping to further stimulate the New Jersey economy. The foundation of results for the quarter was the solid operating performances by both PSEG and PSEG Power. This summer, the third hottest on record, contributed to the hottest first nine months we've ever recorded, pushing the number of total hours with temperatures exceeding 90 degrees or greater, nearly 65% higher than the same period in 2020 and versus normal, thereby increasing peak demands.

The Conservation Incentive Program, effective since June 1 for electric and October 1 for natural gas, provides recovery for variations in customer usage due to weather, economic conditions, and energy efficiency, thereby enabling the utility to promote maximum customer participation in energy efficiency programs without the loss of margin from lower sales. This also has a stabilizing effect on our margins more broadly. The continued reopening of the New Jersey economy is unwinding some of the shift in sales experienced during most of 2020. Residential electric sales declined, adjusted for weather, as more people returned to work, school, and other activities outside the home, partly offset by higher commercial and industrial sales.

Due to the warmer than normal summer weather and a lifting of COVID-19 restrictions, the daily peak load for the quarter topped out at 9,620 MW compared to last year's third quarter daily peak, which was slightly less at 9,557 MW. Our peak load for the year remains the 10,064 MW we hit on June 30th, which exceeded the 10,000 MW mark for the first time since 2013. Moving to the zero carbon and infrastructure side of PSEG, we recently announced that we have submitted several joint proposals to New Jersey's competitive State Agreement Approach, Open Window, to build offshore wind transmission infrastructure.

These joint proposals submitted with Ørsted are collectively named the Coastal Wind Link and leverage the experienced partnership of PSEG and Ørsted in New Jersey energy infrastructure, our commitment to diverse suppliers, and our mature working relationships with local building and construction trades. The proposals cover onshore upgrades, new onshore transmission connection facilities, new offshore transmission connection facilities, and a networked offshore transmission system in any standalone configuration or combination. PJM is providing the technical analysis and recommendations to the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities, who will make the final decisions based on an evaluation of reliability and economic benefits, cost, constructability, environmental benefits, permitting risks, and other myriad New Jersey benefits. A BPU decision is not expected before the third or fourth quarter of 2022.

FERC has granted PJM's request to delay the next capacity auction covering the 2023/2024 energy year to late January 2022. This revised timeline places the 2024/2025 auction into August 2022, and the 2025/2026 auction into February 2023. These upcoming capacity auctions will provide additional surety into the gross margin of our nuclear fleet in the outer years of our 2021 to 2025 planning horizon. Nuclear power's economic struggles are a national challenge that call for a broad federal solution so that individual states like New Jersey aren't shouldering more than their share of the load. We are continuing efforts to secure support for existing at-risk nuclear plants in the federal tax code.

The House version of the Build Back Better infrastructure legislation currently contains an 8-year production tax credit for existing nuclear of $15/MWh, with the value of the credit declining as market revenues increase. The proposal has support in the Senate and from the Biden administration. While passage is not assured, this would be an impactful provision for the nation's nuclear fleet, and we are hopeful that Congress can enact it this year. Zero-emission certificate ZEC payments be offset by any out-of-market payment compensating nuclear for the same zero-carbon attribute. The value of the PTC for our New Jersey units would reduce the ZEC payment up to the maximum $10/MWh. However, the ZEC would not reduce the value of the PTC. Our share of the two Pennsylvania Peach Bottom units would benefit from the full production tax credit.

Moving forward, there needs to be broad recognition at both the state and federal level of the value of nuclear zero carbon attributes, both for the quality of air today and the climate tomorrow. To avoid backsliding for decades to come, we need to ensure that the long-term viability of New Jersey's nuclear generation is preserved as we bring more clean energy resources into the mix. Turning my attention to guidance, we are raising our forecast for full year 2021 non-GAAP operating earnings to a range of $3.55 per share-$3.70 per share from the prior range of $3.50-$3.70 per share. This is based on results for the first nine months of the year. Results for the third quarter and the first nine months incorporate the planned August 1 implementation of PSEG's transmission rate settlement.

In addition, full-year forecasted results also reflect PSEG Power's cessation of depreciation expense in August, while otherwise continuing to contribute to consolidated results. We are also reaffirming PSEG's 2022 non-GAAP operating earnings guidance of $3.30-$3.60 per share. We remain on track to execute on PSEG's 2021 planned capital spend of $2.7 billion. This spend is part of PSEG's consolidated five-year $15 billion-$17 billion capital plan, which we still intend to execute without the need to issue new equity while continuing to offer the opportunity for consistent and sustainable growth in our dividend. Following the close of the fossil sale, PSEG will be a 90% regulated and predominantly contracted platform of stable carbon-friendly businesses.

As we continue to execute on this strategy, as well as our honest dedication to providing our shareholders with the premier opportunity to pursue sustainable growth in earnings and dividends with an industry-leading ESG platform. I'll now turn the call over to Dan for more details on our results, and will make myself available for your questions after his remarks.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Great. Thank you, Ralph, and good morning, everybody. As Ralph said, PSEG reported non-GAAP operating earnings for the third quarter of $0.98 per share versus $0.96 per share in last year's third quarter. We provided you with information on slides 12 and 14 regarding the contribution to non-GAAP operating earnings by business for the quarter and the year-to-date period. Slides 13 and 15 containing corresponding waterfall charts that take you through the net changes in non-GAAP operating earnings by major business. Now I'll review each company in more detail, starting with PSEG. PSEG reported net income of $389 million or $0.77 per share for the third quarter of 2021 compared with net income of $313 million or $0.61 per share for the third quarter of 2020.

PSEG's third quarter results rose by $0.16 per share over third quarter 2020 and reflect revenue growth from ongoing capital investments as well as several one-time items. Growth in transmission rate base added $0.01 per share to third quarter net income even after incorporating the August 1st implementation of PSEG's transmission rate settlement, which FERC approved in October, bringing the return on equity in our formula rate to 9.9%. Electric margin added $0.02 per share to net income compared to the year-ago quarter as the Conservation Incentive Program, combined with Energy Strong II roll-ins, more than offset a reduction in weather-normalized volumes. Gas results were $0.04 favorable compared to the year-ago quarter, reflecting the absence of the gas weather normalization clause reversal in the third quarter of 2020.

O&M expense was $0.01 per share favorable compared to the year-ago quarter, and non-operating pension expense was $0.02 per share favorable compared to the third quarter of 2020. Lastly, tax expense was $0.06 favorable compared to the third quarter of 2020, driven by the timing of taxes to reflect PSEG's lower estimated annual effective tax rate due to higher tax flowbacks in 2021. This impact is expected to reverse next quarter when PSEG finalizes its actual tax rate for the year. Moving to sales for the quarter. The weather for the third quarter of 2021 was 4% warmer than the year-ago period and 22% warmer than normal, with significantly higher than normal number of hours at 90 degrees or greater. On a trailing 12-month basis, weather normalized electric sales were flat and gas sales were up nearly 2%.

Growth in the number of both electric and gas customers rose by approximately 1.5% each versus the third quarter of 2020. Ralph mentioned earlier the stabilizing impact of the Conservation Incentive Program, now fully in effect for both electric and gas margins, resetting those margins to a baseline level. Going forward, about 95% of our electric distribution, 90% of gas distribution will be stabilized via this mechanism, which will still pass through the variation in the actual number of customers. PSEG's capital program remains on schedule. PSEG invested approximately $670 million in the third quarter, aggregating to $1.95 billion year to date through September. This capital is part of 2021's $2.7 billion electric and gas capital program to upgrade transmission and distribution infrastructure, enhance reliability and increase resiliency.

We continue to forecast that over 90% of PSEG's planned capital investment will be directed to the utility over the 2021-2025 time frame. We have raised PSEG's forecast of net income for 2021 to $1.43 billion-$1.48 billion from $1.42 billion-$1.47 billion. Now moving to Power. Power reported a net loss of $1.933 billion or $3.84 per share for the third quarter of 2021. Non-GAAP operating earnings of $119 million or $0.23 per share. Non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA of $237 million. This compares to the third quarter of 2020 net income of $254 million or $0.51 per share.

Non-GAAP operating earnings of $167 million, or $0.33 cents per share. Non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA of $349 million. Non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA excludes the same items from our non-GAAP operating earnings measure as well as income tax expense, interest expense, depreciation, amortization expense, and the benefit of net operating loss purchases which are included in net income. The earnings released in slide 23 provide you with a detailed analysis of the items having an impact on PSEG Power's non-GAAP operating earnings relative to net income for every quarter. We've also provided you with more detail on generation for the quarter and for the year-to-date 2021 on slide 24. Power's third quarter non-GAAP operating earnings were $0.10 cents per share lower than third quarter 2020 results.

Recontracting and power market impacts reduced results by $0.11 per share as the seasonal shape of hedging activity at a higher cost to serve load versus the year-ago quarter lowered gross margin. The sale of the Solar Source portfolio earlier in the year also lowered gross margin results by $0.02 compared to the year-ago quarter. The retirement of Bridgeport Harbor three on May 31st, Power's last coal unit, lowered New England capacity revenues by $0.01 per share versus the third quarter of 2020. Gas operations were lower by $0.02 per share, reflecting the absence of a pipeline refund received in last year's third quarter. O&M expense lowered results by $0.01 per share compared to the year-ago quarter, as higher nuclear costs were partly offset by lower solar expenses.

Lower depreciation expense associated with fossil assets moving to held for sale accounting status and the sale of the Solar Source portfolio and the early retirement of Bridgeport Harbor, combined with lower interest expense to add $0.08 per share versus the year ago quarter. Lastly, taxes and other items were $0.01 per share unfavorable compared to the third quarter of 2020. Gross margin in the third quarter of 2021 was $28/MWh, compared to $33/MWh for last year's third quarter. This decline reflects the seasonal price impact of recontracting, including the third quarter's anticipated higher portion of the $2/MWh annualized price decline in the hedged portfolio. We expect recontracting results in the fourth quarter of 2021 to moderate from Q3 levels.

Now let's turn to PSEG Power's operations, where total generation output of 14.9 TWh matched the output of third quarter 2020. Power's combined cycle fleet produced 6.8 TWh of output in response to higher market prices. The nuclear fleet operated at an average capacity factor of 94.8% for the quarter, producing 8.1 TWh, which represented 54% of total generation. For the balance of 2021, total baseload and combined cycle generation is forecasted to be 12-14 TWh, hedged 85%-90% at an average price of $32 per MWh. Power's third quarter activity included the announcement of the fossil sale to ArcLight in August of this year. As previously mentioned, PSEG Fossil's assets have been reclassified to held for sale as of the date of the announcement.

This change has prompted the cessation of depreciation amortization expense for these held for sale units and resulted in a favorable impact to GAAP and non-GAAP operating earnings through the close of the sale and contributed to the increase of our 2021 full-year non-GAAP operating earnings guidance. Power has raised the forecast for its non-GAAP operating earnings for 2021 to $365 million-$440 million from $350 million-$425 million. Our estimate of non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA has also been raised to $870 million-$970 million from $850 million-$950 million.

Now let me briefly address operating results for Enterprise and Other, where for the third quarter we reported a net loss of $20 million or $0.03 cents per share, compared to net income of $8 million or $0.02 cents per share for the third quarter of 2020. The non-GAAP operating loss for the third quarter was $13 million or $0.02 cents per share compared to non-GAAP operating earnings of $8 million or $0.02 cents per share for the third quarter of 2020. Results this quarter reflected higher tax and O&M expenses of the parent versus the year ago period. For 2021, the forecast of Enterprise and Other is unchanged at a non-GAAP operating loss of $20 million.

From a financial standpoint, at September 30, we had approximately $3 billion of available liquidity as well as cash and cash equivalents of $1.8 billion, and debt representing 58% of our consolidated capital. PSEG Power had net cash collateral postings of $999 million at September 30th related to out of the money hedge positions resulting from higher energy prices during the third quarter of 2021. It's been several years since a sustained rise in power prices has caused collateral postings of this magnitude. Our liquidity and cash position are ample and capable of accommodating additional cash collateral postings if necessary. Overall, our ratable hedging program remains an effective risk management tool that we implement over a rolling three-year period, which smooths volatility and earnings through the averaging of forward sales and importantly locks in gross margin. Turning to financings during the quarter.

In August, PSE&G issued $425 million of 1.9% secured medium-term notes due 2031. Also in August, PSEG entered into a $1.25 billion, 364-day variable rate term loan agreement. In September, PSEG Power announced the retirement of its three senior notes totaling $1.4 billion on October 8th. These remaining notes were retired at a redemption price that included a make-whole premium of approximately $294 million. Following the retirement of all of its debt, PSEG Power's 8.625% senior notes due 2031 were delisted from the New York Stock Exchange effective October 18th. Because PSEG Power no longer has any registered securities outstanding, we'll go through a process to terminate its status as a SEC registrant.

In October, Moody's lowered the credit ratings of PSE&G, PSEG Power and PSEG. The current senior secured ratings of PSE&G are A1/A at Moody's S&P respectively, with stable credit outlooks from both agencies. PSEG's senior unsecured credit ratings and PSEG Power's issuer credit ratings, Ba2/BBB at Moody's and S&P respectively, also with stable outlooks from both agencies. As we outlined during the investor conference, we raised PSEG's 2021 to 2025 capital program by $1 billion to a range of $15 billion-$17 billion. We continue to anticipate execution of this five-year capital program without the need to issue new equity as we continue to offer a compelling shareholder dividend with the opportunity for consistent and sustainable growth.

As Ralph mentioned, we've raised our 2021 guidance of non-GAAP operating earnings for the full year to $3.55-$3.70 per share based on solid results year to date and the benefit from cessation of depreciation on fossil assets. We're also expecting the initial 2022 non-GAAP operating earnings guidance of $3.30-$3.60 per share that we provided at the investor conference on September 27th. That concludes my remarks, and Jesse, Ralph and I are ready to take questions.

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Cregg. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll now begin the question and answer session for members of the financial community. As a reminder, if you have a question, please press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypads. If your question has been answered and you wish to withdraw your request, you may do so by pressing the pound key. Again, that's star one to ask a question or the pound key to withdraw your request. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before entering your request. One moment please for the first question. Speakers, our first question is from Jeremy Tonet of J.P. Morgan. Your line's now open.

Jeremy Tonet
Utilities and Midstream Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Hi, good morning.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Morning, Jeremy.

Jeremy Tonet
Utilities and Midstream Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Just wanted to start off with the nuclear PTC, if I could. Just wondering if you might be able to talk a little bit more about the type of support you're seeing there, confidence that it makes it through to the end. If it does, maybe just kind of the impact on your business helping de-risk and if there's any possible benefit the agencies could have a positive reaction here if this does go all the way through.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Hi, Jeremy. Yes. I feel very good about the bipartisan nature of the support for the PTC. I would be less than candid though if I didn't express some concerns and hesitation about the overriding piece of legislation to which it's attached. The debate that's taking place right now, as you know, is around two separate pieces of legislation. One is a roughly $1 trillion bipartisan bill. The PTC is not part of that. There's a, depending upon what press accounts you believe, $1.75-$1.85 trillion bill that is not bipartisan, that is requiring, you know, reconciliation rules and full Democratic Party support to get through. The nuclear component has not attracted any controversy whatsoever.

I believe the estimates in that bill is that there's about $550 billion of that legislation dedicated to climate mitigation. There's widespread recognition that if we're gonna make progress, it's got to be based upon the existing nuclear fleet still being around upon which to build that progress.

You know, the House version has an eight-year PTC. Roughly speaking, it targets all-in $15/MWh of tax credits, starting with energy prices of $25/MWh or less. There's a declining scale of the PTC benefit as market revenues climb above $25/MWh, where every dollar above that level, $0.80 cents of PTC is removed. It kinda gets you to a $40/MWh or so outcome. There's a pre- and post-tax adjustment that needs to be made to that, but for simplicity's sake. It's really, I think, great news. I think just today, for example, President Biden announced an SMR development project in Romania that's gonna be done with NuScale.

You should check the press accounts on that. I don't wanna speak for others. It's just indicative of the support that nuclear's gaining in recognition of the pretty aggressive carbon reduction goals that need to be achieved.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Yeah, Jeremy, the other part of your question was, you know, how the rating agencies would look at it. Clearly, longer term support for nuclear is gonna be much more valuable and much more stabilizing than something on a shorter term basis. That's something that we've, you know, been pretty vocal about for quite some time. I think that's a positive as well. The number of years that's been tied into the PTC has moved around a little bit. Ralph mentioned earlier an eight-year period. We'll see where it goes.

I, you know, I do think that what you have seen is increasing support. I think universally, both we saw it initially in New Jersey as we went through the ZEC process, and I think folks are getting on board in Washington as well.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

I don't wanna beat it to death, Jeremy. In addition to the, you know, emphasizing our forward-looking statements, I would just remind you of what the history of ITC and PTC have been. They've all had five and 10-year lifespans that have been renewed for multiple decades. I'm not at all worried about the eight-year PTC. By the way, I do wanna add one other thing that's happening at COP26 right now that's great news for us, is that there is a growing consensus around a 30% reduction in methane by the year 2030. There's an article written today by Fred Krupp of EDF in The Wall Street Journal highlighting the importance of methane reduction. That is just incredibly supportive of our gas system modernization program and continued funding for that and expansion of that.

I think between nuclear, offshore wind, and methane reduction, we're really quite well-positioned for some important investments going forward.

Jeremy Tonet
Utilities and Midstream Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Got it. That's very helpful. Thanks for that. Maybe switching gears here a bit. As we look to the 4Q update and kind of the narrowing of the 2022 range, can you give us a little bit more color on some of the items that have been coming in kind of ahead of plan this year, and how to think about that, those items if they're sustainable into 2022? This is excluding the fossil fuel impact.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Yeah, you know, I think rather than sort of front running our own guidance, just by way of reminder, we do expect to narrow that. The real variability is around the pension. Equity markets have been strong. Interest rates have been low. They work against each other in terms of our projected benefit obligation at year-end. I don't think we wanna go further than that at this point in time, Jeremy.

Jeremy Tonet
Utilities and Midstream Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Got it. Just wanted to try. Thanks. Appreciate that. Maybe last one if I could here. Just thinking through the potential changes at FERC and return to a full commission, can you frame some of your expectations moving forward at both as we think about the transmission items out there, and the future of the MOPR?

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Yeah. Well, in terms of the future of the MOPR, you know, that's candidly become less of a concern for us with the announced sale. I mean, the energy revenues are really the primary consideration for nuclear plants. That's not to say that we're completely disregarding capacity revenues for our nuclear fleet. Having said that, our units have not needed to be mitigated according to the IMM, so they should be able to compete in that capacity market, whatever that ends up being in the future. I'd say the other changes at FERC that we're eagerly anticipating is the recognition of the importance of transmission investment to carbon mitigation.

That's a little bit of a head scratcher when you think about some of the mention earlier this year about reducing the RTO adder for a transmission ROE, which seems to have quieted down right now and has given way to the ANOPR or the Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, which is looking at transmission planning on a much more comprehensive basis.

I just think that, you know, at a high level, the things that are being discussed and taken up at FERC are favorable to our business, both in terms of nuclear being able to participate in capacity markets, states being able to make renewable energy decisions free of penalties from the prior version of the MOPR, which is important in a state like New Jersey, where people otherwise would've been paying twice for offshore wind capacity, which would've been a significant crimping of the headroom on the utility bill, which now we don't have to worry about as much.

Jeremy Tonet
Utilities and Midstream Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Got it. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Next question is from Julien Dumoulin-Smith of Bank of America. Your line's now open.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America

Hey, good morning, team. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it. If I can keep going with Jeremy's thought process here on reconciliation and prospects, I wanted to just focus a little bit more on some of the complementary nature of nuclear and specifically hydrogen here. I mean, as you see the magnitude of that potential subsidy here, and the opportunities afforded therein, how are you thinking about that being a complement to your current nuclear portfolio and strategy? Understanding there's all sorts of different nuances here, but would be curious to hear at least as you stand here today, and assuming there is something that stays the course, how could or does this fit into a future strategy?

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

We're closely monitoring the progress of hydrogen, Julien, but to your point, I mean, the value of it to nuclear would be the ability to avoid any cycling of the nuclear plants and being able to then yield to the lack of dispatchability of renewables and then to just continue the baseload operations of nuclear, where in some cases the offtaker might be an electrolysis project or some other hydrogen creation. You know, there's a hearing I think going on this week or next week in the Senate on alternate sources of nuclear power in terms of its applicability to the health sciences and medical field.

I think there's just growing recognition of nuclear as a carbon mitigant and the multiple ways that we need to act to keep it around and keep it vibrant, whether it's a PTC or a source for hydrogen creation or medical science. I by no means want to be a skunk at a party, though I do think that there needs to be much more conversation around the safety of large-scale hydrogen generation than we're seeing right now in various forums. That's an engineering challenge, but I'm sure as with other engineering challenges, I'm sure there are solutions. That does need to be discussed much more prominently than it's getting attention right now.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America

Maybe related to this, if I can, how are you thinking about just hedging? I heard your comments on collateral postings earlier, but how are you thinking about taking advantage of the current commodity desk and/or frankly, any other, shall we say, long-term contracting opportunities that might be arising, whether that's crypto or data centers, you know, looking above and beyond, you know, hydrogen opportunities? I mean, certainly we haven't seen this robust, as you say, commodity environment in some time.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Yeah. Julien, I think some of the crypto stuff is a little bit more niche opportunities. I think you should think about what we're doing as being aligned with what we've talked about in the past. I mean, we still think that a multi-year hedging program for baseload power such as nuclear does make sense. What you saw within some of the numbers that we provided align very closely to if you were to just step back over time and take a look at where forward prices have been for the years that we've hedged and take a look at those hedge prices, that it's consistent with exactly what we have told you that we have done on that front.

That said, we have always talked a little bit too about the fact that while that's a general range, there is some a little bit of a range around what we can hedge as we go through those times. In times like what we've seen more recently, there's been a little bit more activity to try to capture some of those prices. If you think about it over the long run and over a three-year hedging period, you're not gonna be able to move the needle that much with respect to what's been done on the nearer term. As you step out, while prices are a little bit backwardated, there's maybe a little bit less of an opportunity, you'll run into a little bit of a challenge on liquidity.

Will we seek to capture some of these higher prices? Absolutely. But should you anticipate that it's gonna have a very big move of the needle, I think against the backdrop of a base of hedges that we have, and the backwardation and some liquidity challenges on the back end, it'll be more moderated of an impact.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Excellent, team. Best of luck. See you soon.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Thank you, Julien.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Thanks, Julien.

Operator

Next question is from Shar Pourreza of Guggenheim Partners. Your line's now open.

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

Hey, good morning, guys.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Good morning.

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

Ralph, just not to beat a dead horse, but just, starting on the nuclear side for a sec. You obviously highlighted the PTC opportunities and potential upside from federal nuclear incentives. I'm just curious, over the long term, right, as you're thinking about the portfolio, could sort of federal policy, can that change your view on keeping these assets over the long term? Or could there still be a better steward of your nuclear capital, as you move towards becoming essentially a pure wires business with offshore wind optionality?

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Sure. No, that's a fair question. You know, it's really TBD.

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

Mm-hmm.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

I think the more we can make the nuclear fleet look like a regulated asset, some combination of predictable cash flows, my sense then is that would be something that investors would view more consistently within the predictable earning streams of our regulated business. I think what we'll do is we'll let investors tell us, right? We'll

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

Mm-hmm.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

I've not been quiet about the fact that I think given our strength in our balance sheet, the security of our dividend, the lack of a need for equity, the growth in our rate base, the regulatory relations we have, I think we're a premium utility.

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

Right.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

It's not showing up in our valuation yet, you know, so we'll get there. Then the question will be, is nuclear to that ESG profile, which further enhances our premium status or not. We'll be guided by how our investors view that. But our number one objective is, first of all, safe nuclear operations. We've achieved that. Our number two objective is long-term economic viability of those plants. I think we're on the cusp of that. Then we'll be able to better answer the important question that you raised. I'm not trying to duck it. I just you know, rest assured it's foremost in our thinking too.

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

No, no, I think that's a fair point. I mean, not to paraphrase, it's obviously, you know, more to come and you are sensitive to how, you know, I guess investors ascribe value to these assets and.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Right.

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

Whether there is a terminal. Okay, perfect. That was the first question. Just lastly, you know, as we're thinking about, you know, the strong performance in 2021, are you starting to see some O&M flex being carried into 2022? Do you have sort of that ability to pre-fund some of the work going into the tail end of 2021 that creates some contingency to execute in 2022 as we're thinking about bridging from 2021 being a relatively strong year into 2022?

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Well, so yeah, there's always a little bit on the margin, but it's not. I mean, the last thing you wanna do to your massive work management plans is upend them and stand them on their head, right? Say, you know, you would not change a nuclear refuel, fueling outage plan. You wouldn't.

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

Right.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

You wouldn't change a major maintenance on large transmission assets. Can you move some tree trimming up because the first frost hasn't hit? Yeah, you can, but you're still on a four-year cycle. So there's some incremental stuff you can do, but not big items.

Shar Pourreza
Senior Managing Director, Guggenheim Partners

Got it. Terrific. Thanks, guys. See you in a couple days. Appreciate it.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Yeah, thanks.

Operator

Yes, sir. Next question is from Durgesh Chopra of Evercore ISI. Your line's now open.

Durgesh Chopra
Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my question, Ralph and Dan. Just, you know, I just want a little bit more clarity on the proposals that you submitted with the BPU and PJM in conjunction. Are those transmission solutions or is it a combination of some, you know, offshore wind transmission?

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

They're both. They're primarily offshore wind to first of all create a grid out in the ocean that connects the 7.5 GW that are planned. Secondly, to bring that onto land. Third is the upgrades that are needed on land to support this injection of new supply. It's dominated by the assumption that there'll be an additional 4 GW of offshore wind developed up in New Jersey.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Just for clarity, Durgesh, that they are both on land and at sea, but the proposals are not both generation and transmission. It is only a transmission solution. New Jersey's about halfway through the awards that they've had towards their goal of 7,500 MW of the actual generation of the turbines. This is essentially an effort to seek getting that power back to shore. It is not incremental generation. That this effort that the BPU in conjunction with PJM is pursuing, it is just a transmission solution, but it's both at sea and on land.

Durgesh Chopra
Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Perfect. I appreciate that clarity. It is regulated transmission, but it's a combination of onshore and offshore. Thank you for that. Can you size that for us? How, again, you know, Ralph, you previously talked about a nine-figure number in terms of transmission investment opportunities. What are we talking about in terms of size with these proposals? You know, when could we see you load these projects into your CapEx plan if approved?

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Yeah. It's no longer nine figures, it's now ten. The schedule has not been carved in stone, but what's been said by PJM is that they would expect to make their technical assessment known to the New Jersey BPU sometime late in Q1, early Q2 next year. The BPU said that they will probably take six months to evaluate that, and therefore it would not be decided prior to Q3. They are motivated to try to make a decision before Q4 because the next solicitation of offshore wind farms as the supply piece are due at the end of next year. The hope would be that whoever's bidding an offshore wind farm for the next tranche would have the benefit of knowing what transmission resources would be available to them.

Durgesh Chopra
Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Got it. It sounds like, you know, Q4 2020. Any sort of guidance on capital dollars or rate base we might be looking at with these opportunities or these initial opportunities rather?

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

They range in size. As I said, it doesn't round to eleven. It would stay in the 10-figure range. It really does depend on which or how many, if that were the case of our proposals, the BPU and PJM were to embrace.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Yeah. The only other thing I would mention too that may be helpful, Durgesh, is that if you think about the timing for the capital, this would run towards the back half of the decade from an in-service perspective. So if you're kind of in the 2028, 2029-ish kind of a timeframe for in service, you're gonna see some of that capital come in over a somewhat longer period of time.

Durgesh Chopra
Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Understood. Appreciate the detail on clarity, guys. Thank you so much.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

You're welcome.

Operator

Next question is from Paul Patterson of Glenrock Associates. Your line is now open.

Paul Patterson
Analyst, Glenrock Associates

Hey, good morning.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Hi, Paul.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Hey, Paul.

Paul Patterson
Analyst, Glenrock Associates

Just to sort of follow up on those questions. With respect to the, is that not still a case for the offshore wind transmission project?

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Yeah. There absolutely would be, Paul. Sure.

Paul Patterson
Analyst, Glenrock Associates

I just was wondering, you got a number of projects, and I realize that it's all sort of very early. When you talk about the range, could you give us a maybe possibly quantify just a little bit more what the range from the

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Are you talking about from the standpoint of investment potential?

Paul Patterson
Analyst, Glenrock Associates

Yes.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Yeah. I mean, I think it is a little hard to tell by virtue of a couple of things. One, it's just recently submitted, and Ralph gave you the timeline for when we'll start to get a determination. You know, we feel very good about our proposals, but it's unknown exactly what's going to come back. On top of that, there are proposals that are out there. The prospect of all of them actually being part of a solution is better. I think it's early. You know, I do think, as I said, with respect to what we have submitted. That said, it's tough to tell exactly where they're going to go with how wide they may distribute.

Paul Patterson
Analyst, Glenrock Associates

Have you seen proposals from other parties, so far?

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

We have not seen others' proposals. What we have seen is that the magnitude of proposals I think the number was 79 proposals. That said, there aren't 79 players that are involved. We submitted ourselves different proposals. So that gives you just an indication as to there's a lot of potential different ways to get at what the problem that they are trying to solve is. They will have to analyze all that, both from a technical, from a cost, from an ongoing operations standpoint to make their determination.

Paul Patterson
Analyst, Glenrock Associates

With respect to the tech.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

The act, I suspect it'll be just given to the BPU because the BPU is the decision maker here. Whether or not the BPU makes that public or not remains to be seen. I mean, typically, they just announce the winner.

Paul Patterson
Analyst, Glenrock Associates

Okay. I really appreciate it. My other questions have been answered. Thanks so much. Have a great one.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Thank you, Paul.

Operator

Next question is from David Arcaro of Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

David Arcaro
Executive Director, Morgan Stanley

Oh, hey. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Hey, David.

David Arcaro
Executive Director, Morgan Stanley

Let's see. You posted a good customer growth this quarter, 1.5% in electric and gas. I was wondering if you could remind us, kind of how that compares to your longer term assumptions for the increase in customer count over time.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

It's comparable. I think we're in that range. We may be just a hair below that on an ongoing basis. I think it's kind of been around a 1%. It's something that we do update on a regular basis based upon the data that we get regularly. It's a little bit lower than that, but we do see customer growth going on into the future.

David Arcaro
Executive Director, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Got it. That's helpful. I was wondering if you could just talk about heading into the winter here for the gas business with what we've seen natural gas prices do. Could you talk about the pressure on the customer bill heading into the winter? Maybe you know how you have been hedged into the winter heating season and anything, any kind of relief or strategies that you're pursuing for managing that customer bill increase here over the next couple of months? Thanks.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Yes. David, I think that the mechanisms that are in place are there and do protect the customer pretty well, both on the electric and the gas side, because obviously when gas prices get or go up, you see the effect on two times during the year. There's because of some timing and some kind of a technical aspect to that are looking for the ability to do that. You can think about that on the gas side as being 5%, and 5% is on just the supply side of things. Most customers, I think on the electric side, the best model to think about is the provider last resort contract for BGS.

What folks are paying now are prices that were established this past February, the February before and the February before that on a one-third , one-third , one-third basis. Nothing will change from the residential standpoint until we get to next year. The auction that will come this February will get put in place next June. What will get put in place is for one-third.

That will roll off and the remaining two-thirds will be sticky from the prior two auctions. That has a mitigating effect as well. That mechanism has a mitigating effect, as does the fact that if you think about some of the most current prices, on the electric side, they are higher for the current year, for the upcoming year than they are for the following couple of years. We've got a backwardated curve. That auction in February will cover three years forward, which will have a higher priced year for 2022 if you just look at the forwards and then lower as you go into 2023 and 2024. All to say that that also has a very moderating effect on how this stuff will ultimately flow through to the customer bill.

If we are in a position where prices like we're seeing now are sustained for the longer term, obviously that would all work its way down to the retail customer. If anything is shorter lived, you're going to see less of an impact because of those mechanisms that I described.

David Arcaro
Executive Director, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Got it. That's helpful. Thanks so much.

Operator

Next question is from Michael Lapides of Goldman Sachs. Your line's now open.

Michael Lapides
VP and Head of Energy Infrastructure Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. I want to come back to the transmission for offshore wind. Your proposal is both for an offshore and onshore component, I think. I'm not entirely sure I understand it. When I think about the onshore component, does the utility where the substations are, where the plants are being landed effectively, where the substation where the capacity is first hitting onshore, is that the utility that probably has a competitive advantage for the approval or the grant to build out the onshore transmission?

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Yeah, Michael. We put forward a series of proposals that can be used in a comprehensive manner. You wouldn't use all of our proposals. There are alternative options that are in there, and they can also be mixed and matched with proposals made by others. We tried to create as robust a set of options for PJM and the BPU as was possible. Now the short answer to your specific question is, yeah, there are some onshore advantages to being the landing point from a right-of-way point of view as an example.

beyond that, you know, it's really just a question of, what are the path lengths, what are your relationships with suppliers, your ability to manage the work and be cost competitive, and, what do those right-of-ways look like with respect to environmental permits and other issues that will come up. Like, I guess technically the short answer is yes, there are some advantages, but they by no means assure victory for whoever that, substation operator is.

Michael Lapides
VP and Head of Energy Infrastructure Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Got it. Thank you. Much appreciated.

Operator

Next question is from Jonathan Arnold of Vertical Research Partners. Your line is now open.

Jonathan Arnold
Partner and Head of Utilities and Power Research, Vertical Research Partners

Yeah. Good morning, guys.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Hi, John.

Jonathan Arnold
Partner and Head of Utilities and Power Research, Vertical Research Partners

I have a quick hedging question. In the disclosure you say that 90% of the gross margin for 2022 is locked in via energy capacity and ZECs. I'm just curious whether the percentages and prices that you then give for 2022, 2023, and 2024 are on that basis or is that just energy?

From the, w hen you then say 90% for the 2029, 2022, 75%-80% for 2023, are those sort of on a full gross margin basis, or are those just the percentage of the base load output?

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Oh, I got you. Yeah, yeah. They are energy-based challenges.

Jonathan Arnold
Partner and Head of Utilities and Power Research, Vertical Research Partners

Energy based.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

That's the energy number. We don't have the capacity options for some of the outer years, right.

Jonathan Arnold
Partner and Head of Utilities and Power Research, Vertical Research Partners

That number is really just to look at energy rather than energy and capacity. Is that.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

You got it. That is correct, yes.

Jonathan Arnold
Partner and Head of Utilities and Power Research, Vertical Research Partners

Okay, perfect. That was really like everything else you did, so thank you.

Daniel J. Cregg
EVP and CFO, Public Service Enterprise Group

Sure. Yep. Yep.

Operator

Thank you, participants. That is all the time we have for questions. Mr. Izzo, Mr. Cregg, you may now continue with your closing remarks.

Ralph Izzo
Chairman, President, and CEO, PSEG

Great. Thank you, Jesse. Thanks everyone for joining us today. I know that we'll see a bunch of you in the EEI. Dan and Carlota, Brian and Ralph LaRossa will be with you in warm and sunny Florida. I am off to chilly and drizzly Glasgow, although I'm looking forward to, and I think there's some important things to be done there. We'll be arguing and helping the administration argue for significant reductions in carbon and significant support for all the things that we are advocates of, from energy efficiency to offshore wind and nuclear and a variety of other things, including methane reduction. I will miss you there, but I will catch up with many of you at upcoming virtual conferences. Thanks again for joining us today, and take care.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes your conference call for today. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.

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