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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Aug 9, 2022

Operator

Welcome to the Sun Country Airlines second quarter 2022 earnings call. My name is Kathy Darnell, and I'll be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. You'll then hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Chris Allen, Director of Investor Relations. Mr. Allen, you may begin.

Chris Allen
Director of Investor Relations, Sun Country Airlines

Thank you. I'm joined today by Jude Bricker, Chief Executive Officer, Dave Davis, President and Chief Financial Officer, and a group of others to help answer questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that during this call, the company may make certain statements that constitute forward-looking statements. Our remarks today may include forward-looking statements which are based upon management's current beliefs, expectations and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially. We encourage you to review the risk factors and cautionary statements outlined in our earnings release and our most recent SEC filings. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statement. You can find our second quarter press release on the investor relations portion of the website at ir.suncountry.com. With that said, I'd like to turn the call over to Jude.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. Demand for all segments of our business remains as strong as it's ever been. Our revenue in 2Q grew over 29% versus the same quarter in 2019 on block hour growth of 23%. During the pandemic, we launched and built out our cargo business. Now and over the next several quarters, our main focus at Sun Country is to staff our airline to get back to 2019 utilization levels on our passenger fleet as quickly as possible. We wanna deliver this growth while also maintaining the operational excellence and service levels that our customers expect of us. I'm especially proud that year-to-date, Sun Country has led the industry in completion factor with 98.2% in this challenging operational environment.

That performance during such rapid growth is a testament to the hard work and talents of all our team members that deliver for our customers each day. Like all airlines, we're facing the challenges of record-high fuel, tight labor market, and inflationary pressures. We built a model that we believe can deliver profits in any environment. We were profitable through the pandemic, through a war, and now through record fuel. Our flexible network, combined with having a large percentage of our flying committed to long-term pass-through contracts, give us the ability to be successful regardless of what challenges we're facing. By design, our response to high fuel is to cut off-peak flying and concentrate our schedule on periods of the calendar when we're able to achieve acceptable returns.

As fuel rose rapidly through February and into May, we aggressively cut weaker periods like midweek, May and September, and long-haul routes that are more fuel intensive. These capacity cuts, along with all our revenue initiatives, allowed us to deliver over 29% scheduled service TRASM growth versus 2019 for 2Q. As we've had more lead time going into the third quarter, we expect our scheduled service TRASM to approach 40% improvement, and we continue to see strength across our selling schedule currently posted through April of next year. We expect not only to be profitable in all environments, but also to deliver industry-leading margins. I wanna give some color as to why, for the first time in 10 quarters, that is the case. The capacity changes we've implemented in the second and third quarters were all cuts.

However, the fare environment and our fleet size justifies significantly more flying during peak periods. We weren't able to add this flying due to crew constraints. Since ratifying our pilot agreement at the end of last year, we haven't had any issues with retention or hiring. However, we're attempting to train about 4 times the amount of crews versus pre-COVID levels. At the end of June, about a third of our FOs were in a training status. This resulted in a reduction for June, a peak month, of 30% in passenger fleet utilization versus 2019. With 40% of the fleet committed to contract flying, we were under-allocated to the best margin opportunities during the quarter, namely scheduled service, large volume domestic markets. As hiring and retention continue to not be an issue, we expect our crew constraints to be temporary.

Again, I'm so proud of all our team members here at Sun Country for going above and beyond every day. With that, I'll turn it over to Dave.

Dave Davis
President and CFO, Sun Country Airlines

Thanks, Jude. Before I get into a discussion of our results, recall that Q2 is a seasonally weaker quarter for Sun Country than Q1. This is unlike many of our competitors whose business strengthens during Q2. Sun Country posted an adjusted operating profit of $4 million for the quarter and an adjusted EPS loss of -$0.03 per share. Adjusted operating margin was 1.8%. Our results were driven by a combination of unprecedented growth in unit revenue, historically high fuel prices, and under capacity driven by staffing issues. I'll delve into each one of these items in my remarks. First, revenue and capacity. Second quarter revenue totaled $219.1 million, a 29% increase versus Q2 of 2019. Demand continues to be robust.

Scheduled service revenue was $152.6 million, a 22.5% increase over Q2 2019, and scheduled service TRASM grew 29% versus 2019. For the month of June, scheduled service TRASM was 44% higher than 2019, and July finished over 40% higher than July 2019. Recent positive revenue trends are continuing and are evident in our forward bookings. Our average fare of $173 was 22% higher than Q2 2019. System block hour growth for the quarter was 23% higher than Q2 2019, driven by the growth of our cargo segment. System ASMs declined by 6% compared to Q2 2019, which was considerably smaller than we would have optimally been, even at $4+ fuel prices.

As Jude mentioned, since finalizing our pilot agreement in December of last year, we've been able to attract all of the pilots we need to meet our staffing requirements. In addition, attrition has continued to moderate since Q4 of last year. As we implement the new agreement, we've been increasing the size of our hiring and training pipeline to accommodate our growth plans. This work is underway, and we continue to make good progress. Pilot output in June was more than double the output in April, and our September new hire class is over 30% larger than earlier in the year. Charter revenue for the quarter was $42.7 million, a 25% increase over Q2 of 2019. Over 90% of the charter flying we did during the quarter was under long-term contracts.

While increasing the proportion of business under contract is a favorable trend, there remains ample opportunity to increase the amount of profitable ad hoc flying that we do. In 2019, 49% of our charter flying was ad hoc. This gap to today's number represents growth potential for our charter segment as the number of available pilots continues to increase. Cargo revenue for the quarter of $21.2 million was flat with Q1 2022, down by 4% versus Q2 2021. The decrease was driven by more aircraft and heavy check versus last year. We did not fly main deck cargo aircraft in 2019. Turning now to costs. Our Q2 non-fuel cost per block hour only increased 3.6% versus Q2 of 2019, despite implementation of our new pilot agreement.

Adjusted CASM over the same period increased 15% versus 2019, and a 6.4% decrease in total ASMs. This increase in our non-fuel CASM is largely driven by the fact that, as I mentioned, we were significantly undersized relative to both our initial plans for Q2 and for the profitable flying opportunities that were available to us. The average price that we paid for fuel in the second quarter was $4.39 per gallon, which was far higher than the $2.29 per gallon we paid in the second quarter of 2019. Relative to the Q2 guidance we gave last quarter of $3.50 per gallon, the higher price drove $15.5 million in added fuel expense.

We'd experienced the $3.50 per gallon as we guided the reduction in fuel expense would have led to an adjusted op margin for the quarter of 9%. This would have been despite the capacity challenges I've discussed. Let me talk now briefly about guidance. As we move through Q3, demand environment remains very strong, and we expect scheduled service TRASM to be in excess of 40% higher than Q3 of 2019. We expect third quarter total revenue to be up 25%-28% versus 2019, and operating margin to be between 3% and 5%. Our projected Q3 fuel price is $3.84 per gallon, and we expect to fly 31,000-32,000 block hours or approximately 1.5 billion ASMs.

We believe the fundamentals of our business plan remain strong and our model is highly resilient to changes in macroeconomic conditions. Our focus remains on profitable growth. The fact that we have grown less than anticipated has resulted in a decline in aircraft utilization relative to pre-COVID periods. As our pilot output continues to improve, we anticipate growth will come at higher margin as fixed aircraft costs are already being incurred. Finally, let me focus on our balance sheet. We closed the second quarter with $308 million of liquidity, consisting of $283 million in cash and $25 million of undrawn revolver. Despite extremely high fuel prices, we generated over $15 million of free cash flow during the quarter, excluding aircraft CapEx, and we continue to expect to be strongly free cash flow positive for the year.

Our strong balance sheet continues to provide capital deployment flexibility in the quarters ahead. With that, I'll open it up for questions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll commence the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Please stand by a moment while we compile the Q&A roster. Okay, our first call comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore. Go ahead, your line is open.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director of Equity Research Analyst, Evercore

Hey, thanks. Good morning. You gave some of the stats on training, but maybe you can just kind of re-summarize that. Can you speak to how your throughput is changing? How did the number of flight instructors change? I think you were looking for a step up there in the month of July. Just to maybe bottom line it, when do you think you're gonna be fully back or where you wanna be on staffing, maybe with an eye towards the fourth quarter?

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Yeah. Just a couple more stats. I talked about sort of the pretty dramatic increase in our pilot output. There's been a couple of bottlenecks in the training pipeline.

One of the biggest ones, which we've now largely overcome, is on basically check airmen, IOE, pilots who can certify our pilots to fly before they get online. We had only five IOE instructors in the months kind of leading up to July 1, when we increased that number to 19. We'll continue to increase that number in the months ahead. That bottleneck, we think, is largely cleared. There's a couple other things we're sort of working through here as we go forward, which I think we're gonna have solved, I would say, in the next quarter to two quarters. We'll know a lot more in the next several months, but all of our trends are very favorable.

If you look at our growth as we look out later into the year, we'll be accelerating again relative to the fourth quarter. You know, we've just been going through implementing the new pilot agreement. The good news is sort of some of the uncontrollable factors like attrition and new hires we have a solid handle on. We can attract all the pilots we need, and our classes are as big as we want them to be.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director of Equity Research Analyst, Evercore

Okay, great. Just for a follow-up on network. You know, obviously right here and now you're constrained, but can you give some color on the types of markets that may be outperformed in 2Q versus the markets that underperformed, you know, with the benefit of hindsight?

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Sure, Duane. You know, the most disappointing undercapacity allocations were markets that were in kind of an inelastic state, where they were large enough markets to handle a lot more capacity, showed significant revenue improvements, and we believe that adding more capacity wouldn't have changed the revenue environment much. Most of those markets were Minneapolis to large cities like Denver, Dallas, Baltimore, Boston, New York, Portland, Seattle, and Houston, Indianapolis. You know, those markets, I think we don't know for sure, but were lifted by a return of business demand, which lifted overall fares, and we think that there was a lot of opportunity to add significant capacity.

Instead, we were allocated more into, you know, fixed fee, as we talked about, but also, you know, a lot of leisure markets that didn't see the kind of revenue year-over-year improvement that we saw in these larger markets. Brad, anything to add?

Speaker 9

I would add one thing is just we've grown Minneapolis nonstop destinations by over 50% through COVID. As Jude mentioned, some markets performed better than others. I would say broadly, Minneapolis performed very, very well. The new markets did meet expectations, and we just see a lot of good growth opportunities that remain in the market, and we will be opportunistic. We will take advantage of it as the capacity becomes available.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director of Equity Research Analyst, Evercore

Okay. Thank you.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Thanks, Duane.

Operator

Thank you. Our next call comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank. Go ahead, your line is open.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Oh, great. Hey, good morning, guys.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Hey, Mike.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hey, guys. Just following up on Duane's question. You know, when I did see you pull down also some of the long, you know, high volume summer markets, say West Coast, Hawaii, I just assumed that that was all because energy prices or fuel prices were above $4 a gallon, but it does sound like that you just didn't have the staffing. Or what was it, was it a combination of both, or would those markets have worked, some of those longer haul markets, would they have worked, you know, given where overall fares are, where pricing is and the higher fuel? And was it mostly a staffing issue that drove that? I'm trying to parse.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

They would work, absolutely.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

-through.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

I mean, keep in mind, like if you talk about Hawaii, we're talking about, you know, a market that would have started around Memorial Day, a little bit before.

I mean, everything in June works on the scheduled service side. We were making decisions, a combination of fuel intensity, so it's about 50 gallons per passenger to fly somebody to Hawaii, versus 20 or so on our domestic network. And then also, crew efficiency because we're crew constrained, you know, if there's any positioning or,

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yep.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

crew penalty, then we can get more flying done in a different way, then that goes into the calculus as well. Hawaii, we expect to be back next summer. It would have done just fine in this environment, but we're just, you know, trying to put the best stuff in.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, that's helpful. Just, you know, I know this got picked up and maybe it was from an interview, and it was just maybe an off-the-cuff conversation about potentially flying wide-body airplanes. You know, when I sort of think about what you're dealing with right now, it doesn't seem like that's anytime soon, but maybe it is, and it may be that in conversations that you're having with Amazon, if you were to do wide-body, I'm sure that there'd be a cargo complement as well. Otherwise, I don't think it would make sense. Anything that you can, you know, sort of just add to that? Maybe again, that was kind of.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Yeah.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

an off-the-cuff advanced planning.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Yeah.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Want to put that to rest.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Sure. The question from the reporter was, noting that wide-body rates are in our pilot agreement, do we think it would work? My response was, "Yeah, it'll work." We don't have any plans to do it in the near future. Multiple years from now, we might consider more than three years or so. I agree with your sentiment that there would need to be kind of a cargo complement as well to get the same synergies out of our multi-segment business and narrow bodies into the wide-body spaces. We're not, you know, our focus right now is putting pilots out onto the line, and that'll be the focus for the next two quarters. Yeah.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, great. Just squeeze in one quick one on the pilot contract. Obviously you know, you're rolling out various elements. Is the Preferential Bidding System now up and running, or does that take some time? Because I do think that that will also help, you know, help you work things through. Are you there yet on that part of the contract?

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Yeah. That's a good question, Mike. The answer is no.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

We have some of the stuff in place that maybe doesn't help from a productivity perspective.

What we don't have in place is Pref Bid, which will help us. You know, we don't-

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

We don't have that in place yet. That's probably early in the year. We're working through with ALPA right now very productively. We got our vendor chosen and so forth. We just got to implement it, and it's gonna be early next year. That's gonna help.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

No doubt.

Michael Linenberg
Managing Director and Senior Company Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, great. Great. Thanks for the time, everyone.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Thank you, Michael. Our next question comes from Barclays, from the line of Brandon Oglenski.

Brandon Oglenski
Director of Senior Equity Analyst, Barclays

Thanks for taking my question. Jude or Dave, does this you know the training problems you're having right now or the construction here, does this change your longer term capacity plans, especially as we think about 2023 or 2024 relative to where you were maybe pre-pilot contract?

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, in the near term, we're certainly constrained by pilots. We expect, you know, as we move into 2023 to be able, you know, our goal, and we have line of sight on a plan to achieve a 20% block hour growth rate, which I think is achievable over a more sustained period. We're not gonna grow for growth purposes. I mean, we need to have high margin opportunities for that incremental flying, which I think exists in today's environment, even with fuel price. If in a recession or, you know, higher fuel, you know, that growth rate would change. We're building out training capacity, and also, you know, we have a contract and a value proposition to incoming pilots with diversity of our flying, and growth rates that, you know, I think 20% is attainable.

Dave Davis
President and CFO, Sun Country Airlines

Yeah. This is Dave. Hey, Brandon. Let me just give you a couple other numbers, though. We originally expected to end the year with 42 passenger aircraft. That's where we'll be. We are in advanced discussions pretty close right now on three more aircraft that'll deliver to us later in 2023, and we are remaining active in the market.

The beauty of the fleet plan, as we've talked about many times before, is we don't have fixed orders coming in, so we can pivot, go up and down based on sort of how much we can fly and what the opportunities are, and we're gonna continue to do that just like we've been doing. We're in the market. We're still looking for aircraft. We got a strong bet on three more. We're moving forward and planning for sustained growth.

Brandon Oglenski
Director of Senior Equity Analyst, Barclays

Dave, I guess as you look out into 2023, if you're able to achieve that, you know, 20% growth in block hours, where would you know, see the CASM benefit come out?

Dave Davis
President and CFO, Sun Country Airlines

You mean like on what P&L line item or like what time period?

Brandon Oglenski
Director of Senior Equity Analyst, Barclays

Well, no. I mean, I think the target, you know, was below six CASM, but now maybe a little bit around six. Where would you see longer term CASM, I guess, shaking out, to be more specific?

Dave Davis
President and CFO, Sun Country Airlines

Well, CASM will be heading down as we grow. I mean, I don't have a revised plan right now to give you a number. You know, I think our costs are well in hand. I just don't have enough done on the 2023 plan yet to give you a good 2023 number. The other thing to think about, this is always tough with us because we got a big cargo business, so we have costs that are unassociated with ASMs. So we really look at a lot of stuff on a cost per block hour basis, which we feel is pretty well in hand. But I don't have a precise CASM forecast for you right now.

Brandon Oglenski
Director of Senior Equity Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you.

Dave Davis
President and CFO, Sun Country Airlines

Thanks, Brandon.

Operator

Thank you. Our next call comes from the line of Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Go ahead.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Hey, thanks. Morning, guys.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Hey, Scott.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

So I-

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Hey, Scott.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

I think you talked about 44% unit revenue growth in June, 40% or so in July. Any thoughts on where we go from here and what you're seeing with fares as fuel prices are starting to come down?

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Scott, I just wanna make a clarifying point, which is that that's for scheduled service TRASM, which, you know, is about, I don't know, 60%-70% of our block hours, 65% of our block hours, something like that. The rest is in long-term fixed contracts, you know, which adjust slowly. TRASM, you know, I think, you know, your question is about long-term demand trends. We've seen really consistent year-over-year unit revenue improvements in sales for the entire selling schedule out through April. We don't see any slowdown associated with any pullback in demand from where we were on peak levels in July. Our own capacity can influence that if we're able to add more.

You know, we don't want fares to get too high where travel is unattainable for a large portion of our customers. There's no indication in any of our forward bookings of any weakness or any change from the summer demand profile.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

At least for now, you feel like you'll be able to sort of keep the drop in fuel and keep the benefit of that?

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Yes.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Then you talked about in the beginning that you wanna have industry-leading margins. Maybe just think about the goal double-digit margins. What has to happen realistically? When can we get back to a double-digit operating margin?

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

I mean, if you look back in the second quarter, the foregone opportunities of flying, you know, it's hard to tell, but it's probably worth, on the pre-tax basis and operating basis, in the tune of around $15 million. Which would have put us pretty close to, you know, double digits. I think, you know, then the answer to your question becomes how quickly we can put crews out onto the line to get the passenger fleet back to utilization levels that we have had in 2019. Now, the fuel price is higher, so the flying opportunities for high utilization are sort of concentrated when fares are naturally higher. May, there wasn't that much opportunity lost. September, there won't be that many opportunities to add other than ad hoc charter opportunities.

For summer months where this demand environment is so good, we're foregoing significant opportunities with utilization down 30%. That's the key to delivering, you know, back to operating margins that lead the industry, I think.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Would that be your goal or expectation for 2023, to get back to leading the industry?

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Yes.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay. All right. Thank you guys.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Just a couple other color just 'cause I can't help myself. As you compare across the industry, Frontier's taking sale-leaseback, they take a gain from that. There are three carriers in the industry with significant hedge portfolios with significant advantage of those hedge portfolios on a mark-to-market basis, Southwest, Alaska, and Delta. And then there's a business customer rebound that we're not benefiting from. Just keep that in mind, and I think when we think more long-term, we're in a really good place.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Makes sense. Thank you, guys.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. I would now like to turn it back to Jude Bricker for closing remarks.

Jude Bricker
CEO, Sun Country Airlines

Well, thanks for joining the call, everybody. We'll talk to you in three months. Have a great day.

Operator

Okay. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program, and you may now disconnect.

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