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Earnings Call: Q1 2015

Apr 29, 2015

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Jose, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Southern Company first quarter 2015 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. At that time, if you have a question, please press the one followed by the pound on your telephone. If at any time during the conference you need to reach an operator, please press star zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Dan Tucker, Vice President of Investor Relations and Financial Planning. Please go ahead, sir.

Daniel S. Tucker
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Planning, Southern Company

Thank you, Jose. Welcome everyone to Southern Company's first quarter 2015 earnings call. Joining me this afternoon are Tom Fanning, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer of Southern Company, and Art Beattie, Chief Financial Officer. Let me remind you that we will make forward-looking statements today in addition to providing historical information. Various important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward-looking statements, including those discussed in our Form 10-K and subsequent filings. In addition, we will present non-GAAP financial information on this call. Reconciliations to the applicable GAAP measure are included in the financial information we released this morning as well as the slides for this conference call. The slides we will discuss during today's call can be viewed on our investor relations website at investor.southerncompany.com. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Tom Fanning.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us. Many of you have heard me speak before about the full portfolio and its significance to Southern Company and to our industry as a whole. Simply put, we are inventing the future of clean, safe, reliable, and affordable energy for the benefit of the customers and communities we serve. Our full portfolio strategy, which includes new nuclear and innovative new technologies for 21st century coal as well as natural gas, renewables, and energy efficiency, is a fundamental component of that mission. I'd like to take a few moments to highlight how this all-of-the-above approach continues to be beneficial to customers and to discuss several projects helping to shape the full portfolio for the future.

To begin with, our diverse generation fleet enables us to quickly adapt to constantly changing market conditions with the ability to utilize the most cost-efficient generation resources at any particular point in time. When natural gas prices are low, for example, we are able to take advantage by burning more natural gas and less coal. Such was the case in the first quarter of this year. Gas energy climbed to 48% of our energy production. Our use of coal for the quarter was the lowest in several decades, falling to 32% of our energy mix. As a hallmark of our integrated business model, we passed those savings along to our customers. Natural gas, of course, will continue to be a dominant solution. Recently, our gas consumption was about 1.5 BCF per day.

This year, it could approach 1.9 BCF per day, by 2020, the amount could be as much as 2.3 BCF per day. Natural gas is not a panacea, as we cannot assume that current prices will endure indefinitely. We must, therefore, continue to pursue the development of a truly diverse generation portfolio, one that provides the necessary optionality and flexibility to adjust to changing market conditions. In addition to natural gas, 21st-century coal, and new nuclear, we are rapidly building out our energy portfolio with renewables, including solar and wind. With that in mind, I would like to take a more detailed look at how we've expanded our renewable resources in recent months. Four Southern Company subsidiaries recently marked major milestones in the strategic expansion of one of the nation's largest renewable energy portfolios through the announced development or acquisition of large-scale solar projects.

Gulf Power and Mississippi Power recently announced power purchase agreements with solar facilities totaling 173 megawatts that are currently being developed on military bases in their respective states. Georgia Power broke ground at Fort Benning, the first of four 30-megawatt retail rate-based solar projects in development with the U.S. Department of Defense. There's more likely to come. In February, our Southern Power subsidiary announced the acquisition of two solar projects totaling 99 megawatts in Georgia, the 80-megawatt Decatur Parkway Solar Project and the 19-megawatt Decatur County Solar Project. Most recently, Southern Power announced the acquisition of a controlling interest in the 32-megawatt Lost Hills-Blackwell Solar Facility in California from First Solar. In March, Southern Power announced an agreement to acquire the 299-megawatt Kay Wind facility currently under construction in Oklahoma. This acquisition is expected to close in late 2015 upon successful completion of the project.

Kay Wind will be the largest renewable electric generation plant in the Southern Company system and the first wind facility we will own. Upon completion of these projects, the Southern Company system expects to own or purchase the output of more than 3,100 megawatts of renewable resources system-wide, including 44 solar facilities in seven states. Let's now discuss our two large construction projects, which are equally important to our full portfolio of generation resources. Our new nuclear project, Plant Vogtle Units 3 and 4, and our 21st-century coal facility in Kemper County, Mississippi, featuring coal gasification technology developed by our researchers in partnership with KBR and the Department of Energy. Both of these projects stem from state-specific resource planning processes that value generation diversity, including the hedge that these new resources represent against potential carbon dioxide regulations in the future. First, an update on Plant Vogtle Units 3 and 4.

The primary focus of the project continues to be on quality and safety. Georgia Power has maintained an exceptional safety record for a construction project of this size, which currently has over 5,000 people on site. During the first quarter, our outstanding safety culture manifested itself as we performed over 1 million safe work hours without a recordable injury. The quality oversight from our nuclear team continues to be invaluable. This is a complex project with numerous challenges. We are proud of how well our processes and controls are holding up to the inspection of both the NRC inspectors and Georgia Power's regulator. More importantly, our own rigorous oversight is being manifested in the quality of the facility.

The new Vogtle units are being built to serve Georgia customers for 60-plus years, and the oversight in place today should help ensure that these units will function at a high level for decades to come. Construction activities are tracking closely with the revised schedule provided by the contractors in January. The greatest risk to the schedule for both units continues to be in the timely delivery of structural submodules. I'm pleased to report that the quality at the Lake Charles facility has improved, and we no longer expect submodules from that facility to require remediation on-site before being released for assembly. We anticipate continued delivery of panels throughout the year from Lake Charles, and we've been informed that the scope of work may be expanding there. Critical path remains closely aligned with delivery and installation of panels for the shield building.

These panels are fabricated by Newport News Industrial, and quality has been good. Acceleration of work at NNI, along with improving the panel installation process, represents one of our best opportunities to improve on the schedule provided by the contractors. Critical path runs somewhat parallel with activities inside the containment vessel. The CA01 module is one of the major next steps inside this area of the nuclear island. The final concrete pours necessary to install CA01 were completed late last week. CA01 is now projected to be lifted into place early in the third quarter of this year. A number of you have visited the site in person, and the progress is obvious. While the entire project is proceeding well, the Unit 3 annex building is an area of noteworthy progress.

The annex building is necessary for the initial energization of the control systems for Unit 3, an important early step in the startup process. The concrete foundations and structural steel for this facility are well underway. In late February, the first of 34 wall submodules for the Unit 4 CA20 module was upended, marking the start of the assembly process. On the regulatory front, $198 million in expenditures submitted in the 11th Vogtle Construction Monitoring Report were unanimously approved on February 19th, with a cumulative amount approved to date of $2.8 billion. Additionally, the procedural and scheduling order for the 12th Vogtle Construction Monitoring Report was approved on April 7th. Consistent with the longstanding Georgia law, the order reaffirmed that neither the project's certified costs nor the VCM8 stipulation in 2013 constitute a cost recovery cap.

Georgia Power will be allowed recovery of all reasonable and prudent startup costs up to and above the certified amount. We believe the semiannual VCM process, including the testimony of the independent monitor, continues to build a record that has thoroughly documented Georgia Power's prudent management of the project. The order also establishes a schedule for filings and hearings on our request of the commission to verify and approve $169 million in expenditures for the second half of 2014. Georgia Power expects to file direct testimony on Friday. Hearings are scheduled to begin on June the 2nd, and we anticipate a decision in mid-August. A full schedule is included in our slide deck. Let's turn to an update on the Kemper County IGCC project. The Kemper project also boasts a terrific safety record. With now over 2,500 workers on site, no safety incidents occurred during the first quarter.

In early March, we completed the first firing with natural gas of the facility's gasifier burners, a significant milestone. We continue to make tremendous progress on our other startup activities as we look ahead to the first synthesis gas production planned now for the third quarter. In the meantime, the combined cycle at Kemper continues to perform exceptionally well, with a first quarter equivalent forced outage rate of less than 1% and a capacity factor in line with the rest of our combined cycle fleet.

Turning to the legal and regulatory fronts, the Mississippi Supreme Court's order, which deemed that the 2013 Kemper settlement unenforceable and reversed the subsequent rate order, has been met with vocal opposition from statewide industry groups, business organizations, the Mississippi Economic Council, and members of the Mississippi Public Utilities Staff and Public Service Commission, as well as other public entities through amicus briefs filed with the Mississippi Supreme Court. Most of the briefs emphasized that the rate plan agreed to in 2013 was of great benefit to the customers of Mississippi Power, that a traditional rate case could mean rate impact approaching 40% for some customers. This compares to the 25% rate increase contemplated in the original settlement, 18% of which is already in place. While we await the court's decision on rehearing, we will continue to work towards a reasonable, comprehensive settlement with the Mississippi Public Utilities Staff.

However, as a possible alternative to a settlement, we are also preparing to file a rate case by mid-May. With the completion of the project in sight, we want to ensure that the rate recovery is adequately addressed in a timely manner. I'll now turn the call over to Art for a financial and economic overview.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Thanks, Tom. As you can see from the materials we released this morning, we had solid results for the first quarter of 2015, reporting earnings of $508 million, or $0.56 per share, compared with earnings of $351 million or $0.39 per share in the first quarter of last year. The first quarter results for 2015 include a $6 million after-tax charge related to an increased construction estimate for Mississippi Power's Kemper Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle project. The first quarter results for 2014 included a $235 million after-tax charge for the Kemper IGCC project, or $0.27 per share. Excluding these items, Southern Company earned $514 million, or $0.56 per share during the first quarter of 2015, compared to $586 million, or $0.66 per share in the first quarter of 2014.

Earnings for the first quarter of 2015 were in line with our expectations and were positively influenced by retail revenue effects at Southern Company's traditional operating companies, offset by milder winter weather than in 2014 and increased operating and maintenance expenses. Moving now to an economic and sales review for the first quarter. Economic growth in the first quarter of 2015 was modest, but our retail sales across all customer classes are encouraging. Total weather-adjusted retail sales grew 1% in the first quarter, led by industrial sales, which were up 2%. We have now enjoyed eight consecutive quarters of positive year-over-year industrial sales growth in our region. Industrial sales growth remains broad-based across eight of our largest ten industrial segments. The strongest industrial segments include petroleum, up 10%, stone, clay, and glass, up 6% due to improvements in the housing market. Transportation improved 5% as automotive manufacturers expanded output.

Weather-adjusted residential sales were slightly positive for the first quarter of 2015, primarily due to strong customer growth of nearly 16,000, a 55% increase over the approximate 10,000 new customers gained in the first quarter of 2014. Weather-adjusted commercial sales were up 0.7% for the quarter. Office vacancy rates continue to show signs of improvement and more office retail projects are being announced. Currently, more than 1.9 million square feet of office space is under construction in Metro Atlanta. In addition, a number of new Atlanta projects are expected to begin construction soon, including the Mercedes-Benz headquarters. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, non-farm employment increased in all the states of our retail service territory between February of 2014 and February of 2015. Nationally, Georgia ranks number 5 among all states for job growth, and Atlanta was ranked among the top five metro areas.

Meanwhile, our economic development pipeline remains robust with more than 300 potential projects representing 37,000 potential new jobs and over $34 billion in potential capital investment. The climate for business and investment remains strong in our service region. Alabama and Georgia were recently ranked number 1 and number 4 respectively among states in which to do business by Site Selection magazine. Turning briefly back to Southern Power, as Tom mentioned in his opening remarks, Southern Power continues to find new projects that meet its investment criteria. In our fourth quarter call in early February, we outlined two categories for Southern Power's CapEx projections: base CapEx and placeholder CapEx for growth. Base CapEx includes projects we have identified as likely, even though we may not have reached final terms or received all regulatory approvals. In February, our base CapEx included, among others, the Kay Wind and Decatur projects Tom mentioned earlier.

Since then, Southern Power has identified a number of additional projects for 2015 and 2016. As a result, we are shifting dollars out of the placeholder category and into base CapEx for Southern Power. The result is that we have accounted for all of our original 2015 placeholders and have moved $100 million from the placeholder to base in 2016. With our 2015 success thus far and the long runway between now and the end of 2016, we are confident about our ability to find solid projects to account for our remaining 2016 placeholders. Before turning the call back to Tom, let me cover two final items. First, our earnings estimate for the second quarter, which is $0.69 per share. Secondly, I'd like to highlight our dividend announcement last week.

Our board of directors approved a $0.07 increase in our common dividend to an annualized rate of $2.17 per share. This is our 14th consecutive annual increase and marks 270 consecutive quarters dating back to 1948, that Southern Company will have paid a dividend equal to or greater than the previous quarter to its shareholders. Over the past two decades, our dividend has accounted for nearly 70% of our total shareholder return. It is the cornerstone of our value proposition, and the board's decision last week reinforces its confidence in the strength of our long-term financial plan. I will now turn the call back over to Tom for his closing remarks.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Thanks, Art. After a successful year in 2014, Southern Company has entered the new year with strong momentum. We see a franchise business that is operating better than ever, solidifying its position as an industry leader in all phases of the business. We see important progress on major capital projects, and we continue to excel with our customer-focused business model. We also see a strengthening economy and a region poised to grow in the months and years ahead. In short, we believe Southern Company is well-positioned to succeed in 2015 and in the years ahead, behind the strength of our 26,000 employees and their commitment to provide clean, safe, reliable, and affordable energy to the customers and communities we serve. Southern Company is keenly focused on remaining an industry leader for the long term, forward-thinking decisions with regard to our generating portfolio are a key aspect of that effort.

The evolution of our business does not stop there. We recently announced the launch of a new Energy Innovation Center to be located in Atlanta's Technology Square. While we remain steadfast in our commitment to excel at the fundamentals of making, moving, and selling and consuming electricity, we also understand that the way in which customers use energy may change over time. The Energy Innovation Center is just one way in which we are working to anticipate the future and lead the way with the development of new energy innovations. Going forward, we will continue to build on our long history of inventing the future by relying on the thinking of our entire workforce and with potential partners such as Nest and other major established and new entrants to the energy industry.

Initial possibilities involve expanding the notion of energy infrastructure to assets beyond the meter, unmanned aerial vehicles, hydrogen production from underutilized generating facilities, and desalinization plants. As Art indicated earlier, the strength of our underlying franchise, as well as our continued focus on remaining an industry leader through innovation, underpinned the board's decision last week to increase our dividend, which supports our objective of providing superior risk-adjusted total shareholder return to investors over the long term. We are now ready to take your questions. Operator, we'll now take the first question.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to register for a question, please press the one followed by the four on your telephone. You will hear a three-tone prompt to acknowledge your request. If your question has been answered and you would like to withdraw your registration, please press the one followed by the three. If you're using a speakerphone, please leave your handset before entering your request. One moment please for the first question. Our first question's coming from the line of Greg Gordon from Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Hello, Greg. Greg?

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Oh, I'm here. Can you hear me?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah, we can now.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Sorry, I was on mute.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

What is the legal path in Mississippi today that either gets you back to a settled rate deal or puts you in a formal rate case filing? What are the different paths to get us back into a settled low rate hike-

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

put us into a rate filing in May?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

That's right. Just as we described, there's two paths. One is we've been having, as you all know, a prolonged series of discussions with the staff. We continue to think they are constructive. I think the result of a settlement could, in essence, preserve and form the rate structure that we put in place in 2013. Failing to reach a settlement, we will file a rate increase in a conventional rate case. It is conceivable you could file the rate case and file the settlement at the same time. those are the two paths.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay. The Supreme Court's decision has essentially closed off the creative approach you used to pre-funding.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

No

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Capital project. Is that not the case?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

No. That's not the case.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

The settlement would essentially preserve the structure, which would mimic what was approved in 2013.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

That would be great. Second question is on your continued expansion of the renewables platform. Essentially the announcement of this wind project acquisition fills in some of the notional space in your Southern Power CapEx budget?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

That's right.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

It's not incremental to the budget that you've already articulated to us.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Right. Yeah, it was in the base already.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

It was in the base.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

What we've done is.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Gotcha

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

I think the change here, it's on the graph we showed, is that we essentially have spoken for all the placeholders in 2015. We're very confident of hitting our numbers for Southern Power in 2015.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Great. How much of your total CapEx in 2016 at Southern Power is currently money projects that are definitely going forward versus placeholders?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

About $400.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Sorry, page 12. Sorry.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah, there you go. It's about $400 million.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Right. Can you?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Sorry, go ahead.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

No, we feel really good about hitting our placeholders in 2016 also. We're not at the stage we're ready to declare those as part of base. We've improved it by $100 million.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Gotcha. Then is there a way you can articulate what you think the earnings contribution is going to be from the Kay Wind facility when it comes in?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Well, the Kay Wind facility, the benefits are not investment tax credits. They're production tax credits. I don't recall the 2016 benefit, it should not benefit 2015 at all. It'll be a 2016 addition.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

It'll be a little over $0.01 a year. Something like that for whatever-

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

it's a 10-year.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Great. When is the next milestone, if we have a firm milestone? This is my last question.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

[crosstalk] about that.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Your conversations with your EPC contractor at Vogtle with regard to the delay they announced in service date.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah. We continue to have constructive discussions there. One of the things I think we tried to highlight in the initial remarks is that we can see our way through to some ways to improve the schedule that the contractors have delivered to us. We've been pretty clear about that in our disclosures. We continue to work with them, and we're trying to find ways to reach an amicable kind of resolution to that.

Greg Gordon
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Is there a sort of definitive milestone to look for there in terms of a drop-dead date or?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Not really. The ultimate conclusion would be litigation in the city of Augusta, Georgia.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yes, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jim von Riesemann from Mizuho. Please proceed with your question.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Hey, Jim.

Jim, how are you?

Jim von Riesemann
Analyst, Mizuho

Super. Hope you're well.

Thank you. I am. Hey, I have two questions for you. The first question is, can you guys provide a little bit more color on this continuing disconnect between the 3% GDP growth in the service territory and yet 0.2% residential growth?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yeah. Jim, our expectation was for the year about 3% GDP growth. That was underlying our forecast of low growth this year of the 1.3%. We've had a very strong economy here in the Southeast. I think our numbers and results reflect that. As we outlined in the script, it's driven by the industrial sales growth. We're beginning to see movement on the residential and the commercial end as well. This is the first quarter in about four years where we've had positive growth in all 3 customer classes. We think it's broad-based, and if we look at employment growth both in the manufacturing sector and in other sectors, it's beating the national numbers. The economy in the Southeast has been a bit stronger in our view than what we're seeing on the 0.2%.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah. If I could, at the risk of falling into Fed speak too, there's fascinating developments, some of the things we're seeing are better than, but in some ways mimic what we're seeing nationally. Better than clearly is in the industrial growth sector. Even surprising to us how strong it is. Even probably better than what we're showing, we think that chemicals, for example, was slightly negative, but those were outages. We expect to see chemicals rebound. Recall, a continuing theme has been segments which are dependent upon natural gas. Those are going to be really strong, we think, for the rest of the year. The only kind of cloud on the horizon there, primary metals, we think that's kind of strong dollar, strong imports, low oil prices, and therefore metal associated with pipelines are probably slowing down a bit.

One of the things that I think is really interesting that Art alluded to on the residential sector, we're starting to see a pickup in household wealth formation. It's pretty modest, but still a pickup. Interestingly, the Fed guys are concerned by that in that it looks like they're not consuming this pickup in either the top line revenue or a reduction in cost, like lower gasoline prices. They're saving it. We are within kind of a historical range of savings rates, so it's not particularly troubling to me. Frankly, if households are reducing debt or investing or even just putting money in a checking account for now, at least they are less exposed. They're more resilient to future economic dislocations. It's not all bad. If value is a function of risk and return and GDP growth is return, increased savings rates is improvement in risk.

Jim von Riesemann
Analyst, Mizuho

It's not all bad. When you consider that the United States GDP with 0.2% growth in the first quarter, you look at our numbers, clearly better. We feel pretty good about our prospects going forward. Thank you. The answer to the question on the growth and the improvement leads me into my next question. If I look at your trailing 12 months on a weather-normalized basis, you're at $2.76. If I remember correctly, in conjunction with the fourth quarter call, you had $2.76-$2.88 was your expectations for the year.

Yeah.

How do you get to the upper end of that band or even the middle end of that band, given that your trailing 12 is at the very bottom?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Improvement at Southern Power is an easy way. Weather. Good weather. Better than expected economic outcomes.

Jim von Riesemann
Analyst, Mizuho

Okay. There's nothing else that I'm missing, am I?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

I don't think so.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

No. If you remember, too, one of the things, I think we said this before, Art, was the lower end of our range was bound by Southern Power.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

That's right.

Jim von Riesemann
Analyst, Mizuho

not filling in its complement of CapEx. We've kind of lived with the base scenario. Well, we think we're there for 2015, and potentially could even improve. Okay. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

You bet. Thank you, Jim.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brian Chin from Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

How are you?

Brian Chin
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Very good.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yeah.

Brian Chin
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Just a quick one. The long-term EPS CAGR slide isn't in the deck. Are we just to assume that it's still 3%-4% longer term?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yes. We only adjust that kind of once a year, right? We come out every January, we give guidance for the year and our long-term growth estimate. We only update that in our October call once we've gotten through the big earnings month in the summer.

Brian Chin
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

That's right. Great. Thanks a lot. That's it.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

All right. Thank you, Brian.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

See you, Brian.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Barnett from Morningstar Equity Research. Please proceed with your question.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Hey, Mark. How are you?

Mark Barnett
Analyst, Morningstar Equity Research

Hey, good afternoon, guys.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Hey.

Mark Barnett
Analyst, Morningstar Equity Research

Very well, thanks. A couple of questions here. One sort of bigger picture. You gave a little bit of detail around what you're seeing in the commercial sector. Obviously from a usage perspective, it lags a little bit, but we have a nice pickup here in the quarter. I'm wondering, is this about the level of improvement that you've baked into our expectations in your guidance here?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Actually, we're looking for a little more improvement.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

That's correct. Expectations for the year in terms of segments.

Daniel S. Tucker
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Planning, Southern Company

1.4 on commercial, about one on residential, and 1.7 on industrial. We're a bit ahead of our industrial numbers. We've still got a little ways to go on commercial.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

1.3 for the year total.

Mark Barnett
Analyst, Morningstar Equity Research

Right. Sorry, that number had slipped. The 1.4% on commercial, that's the level that's in your guidance. Okay.

Yep.

year-over-year, obviously, base business growth driving a lot of that OpEx, I'm sure. Is this level of kind of a year-over-year increase sort of a guide for the remainder of the year, or do you have a lot of flexibility there?

I'm sorry.

Our flexibility on CapEx is going to go to Southern Power.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

On OpEx.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yeah, if it's O&M.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Operating expenses? Yeah. The first quarter was a bit of an anomaly. You may remember, Mark, that first quarter of last year, we deferred a lot of expenses at Alabama Power. They were non-recurring outage costs under an accounting order that they were operating under last year. Also, if you look at year-over-year, there were more megawatts out this year across the system than there were last year. There were more outage costs this year. You just got normal growth for the rest. That's a big piece of it as well. If we look at what we expect for the year, I still think my guidance from the last call about a 3%-3.5% growth in non-fuel O&M for the year still applies, and the first quarter is just kind of an outlier that will correct itself through the year.

Daniel S. Tucker
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Planning, Southern Company

When we came up with the $0.55 estimate for the first quarter, it almost exactly expected this level of O&M.

Mark Barnett
Analyst, Morningstar Equity Research

Got it.

Okay. Thanks for the reminder. It has been a long day, as somebody mentioned earlier. Last question, can you just remind me if Governor Deal has signed the new solar bill, the HB 57? Generally, what you expect to see as a result in terms of maybe your own programs or offerings in the state?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

He has not signed it, to our knowledge. I can tell you all this is very consistent with our plan. I have always tried to position the company as given whatever business circumstances exist for us to find ways to play offense. To the extent distributed generation becomes important to the customers of this state, it is the clear mission of our businesses to provide that service and those assets to our customers. We fully support any development with respect to distributed generation, whether that's rooftop solar or some idea associated with storage or community solar or financing or anything else. Whether we do that ourselves or do it through third parties, our job is to find ways to succeed in this changing business environment. I think we're demonstrating that in a superb way.

Mark Barnett
Analyst, Morningstar Equity Research

All right. Thanks, guys.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Thanks.

Yes, sir.

Operator

Our next question's coming from Anthony Crowdell from Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Anthony, how are you?

Anthony Crowdell
Analyst, Jefferies

Hey, Greg. Not bad. I just wanted to follow up on Mr. Gordon goes to Washington's question from Mississippi. It seems like there's a disconnect there when you look at the two roadmaps you have of a conventional rate case with a 30%-40% rate increase, or I'm not sure if you used this term, but maybe a glide path or some type of nice trajectory of rate increases. It would seem like a no-brainer if you were a regulator or you were one of the intervener parties. Could you maybe highlight what that disconnect is and maybe handicap what you think the chances are of a potential settlement in Mississippi?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Anthony, the only thing I can tell you, I don't want to characterize the decision that's kind of in front of these folks, but if you look at the broad-based support that the company has enjoyed to ask the Supreme Court to reconsider their decision in the amicus briefs, including the staff. To me, it is an obvious decision that benefits the citizens of Mississippi to pursue the settlement or at least restore what the Supreme Court invalidated in its recent order. Either one of those is, I think, in a broad sense, the obvious way to go in the state.

Anthony Crowdell
Analyst, Jefferies

Great. Thanks for taking my question, guys.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

You bet. Hope you're well.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Okay, great. Thanks, Anthony.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Operator. Operator, can we take the next call?

Operator

Our next question's coming from the line of Michael Weinstein from UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Good afternoon.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, UBS

Hello, how are you doing?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Good.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, UBS

First question is about pipelines and midstream opportunities. Wondering if you're still considering going forward with that and how serious is that consideration?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah. Here's some fascinating supporting data. We're actually looking at several opportunities and active discussions. We'll see how that goes. When you think about it, before I came into this role, we were consuming coal, 70% of our energy came from coal. Then 16% from natural gas. When you look at recent history, 1.5 BCF per day, now this year may be as high as 1.9, and depending on what happens with 111D and a variety of other things, that per day gas consumption can average somewhere around 2.3 BCF per day. When you think about the attractiveness of Southern Company being one of the nation's largest consumers of natural gas, our value as a key tenant to any of the infrastructure that needs to be built out to meet that kind of demand, really gives us some opportunities to pursue a variety of investments.

We're all over that stuff. We'll see what happens.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, UBS

How about gas reserves and rate base?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

This goes way back even to when, I think I was CFO and COO. We're talking now 10 years ago, we've been kind of kicking that around. Back then, we weren't consuming that much natural gas, and it wasn't as important. Certainly, it's an idea that has merit. As natural gas becomes more important to us, especially given its volatility relative to other fuel stocks, we'll certainly keep that on the front burner of ideas. In any case, we would not want to take price risk on molecules in the ground. This would all be a fuel clause related issue.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, UBS

Right. One other question about nuclear. We've heard recently from Tim Echols that he sees the need for another two unit beyond the current, and that it depends on how well the project goes and whether 111D goes. I'm just wondering if you have actually been in conversations about that. Is that something that's actually being planned out at this point? Or is it just talk for now? Also, is this something that you can hold over the consortium's head, so to speak, that guarantees some kind of good performance, going forward, also in the litigation?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Many of you on the call may remember in 2014, I want to say it was the summer in a Q&A session at the Bipartisan Policy Center, I think, after a talk I made, that I did allude to the fact that we would be, I forget, delighted to consider new nuclear. The steps that would be taken first would be to essentially begin the permitting process to undertake a new plant, not necessarily to commit to build a new plant. In essence, it's fairly modest dollars in order to secure the option. We moved along, then we were hit in December with the change in schedule put forth by our contractor group. We were very clear that we don't believe that the contractors are doing everything they can do in order to fully mitigate their schedule per the requirements of the contract.

What I said at that time was that I thought it was sensible for us to set aside a lot of talk about new projects until we came to more resolution as to the commercial dispute. It is clear to me that if the contractors want to succeed in the United States with AP1000, then they need to perform well on Vogtle 3 and 4. It is, in fact, the benchmark plant for all AP1000s going forward. You can draw your own conclusions as to their motives.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, UBS

All right. Thanks a lot, Tom.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

You bet.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Daniel Egger from Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Daniel Eggers
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hey, Dan.

Hey, good afternoon. Hey, how are you? Tom, just on the nuclear conversation, can you maybe just share some of the things that you guys saw to expedite or to catch up on the delays of the EPC folks, number one? Number two, if you look at how they got to their delays in schedule, are there things you're going to be able to do to mitigate that from happening, going forward, so we don't run into this, 12 or 18 months from now, them saying, "Well, we have the same sort of delay problems?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah. We tried to suggest that in the prepared remarks at the outset. I think there's a clear opportunity to advance some schedule mitigation with Newport News. That's our opinion. It's not only production out of their facilities, but also the installation of the panels. We need to make sure that all of that is done well. You must know that, especially those of you that have visited the site, and we encourage everybody on the phone, if you can figure out a way to get to the site, we love showing it off. I think the people that were there were really struck with the kind of progress and quality of the work there. We have an enormous quality assurance program. As licensee of the plant, we ultimately are responsible for having the right kind of plant built there.

Our QA program has been focused not only on site, but also at places like Lake Charles. I think our working with the contractor has helped put them in the position where now we essentially have been able to accept production out of that facility and go ahead and put it into production process. As we move to more work inside the nuclear island, that kind of process improvement, quality assurance, and ultimately, production on site is going to move the needle in the right direction. We remain relentlessly focused on ways to work with them to do that. I would argue, in the past quarter or so, I think we've made some progress in our thinking.

Daniel Eggers
Analyst, Credit Suisse

I know Mike just asked a question. Just on the gas reserves and rate base issue, the legislation in Mississippi seemed to open that as a little bit more of a window than previously discussed. Is that something you guys are going to look to pursue? How do you read that legislative action?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

It's a law largely focused on the EMC's recovery of economic development projects. It does authorize the PSC to deem that natural gas reserves are used and useful as a utility plan or whatever. A similar concept. It is something we would consider as there is natural gas kind of generation in Mississippi. I think once you're post-Kemper Plant Ratcliffe, it's a third, a third, a third, coal, gas, and Kemper. A similar concept that we have at Kemper is, in fact, the lignite mine. It's a similar idea where essentially we own the lignite, and it's in rate base, and it serves to hedge kind of any future price swings. Remember, that is almost no volatility going forward. It's certainly a valid idea, something we consider, and makes sense.

Daniel Eggers
Analyst, Credit Suisse

I guess just on the renewable side of the business, you guys are able to put renewables and rate base in Georgia. You've been doing PPAs in the other states. Is there going to be an opportunity when you guys can start putting or feel more comfortable putting some of those assets into your rate base rather than contracting out where the cost of capital is higher?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah, sure. I think to the extent those assets ever get flipped, sold, what have you, I think we're a natural buyer. One of the things that we always kind of think about is for any of our assets, and although we tend to acquire some, you know, we sold some or swapped some. Who is the best owner? We always seek to achieve that position. I think there will be opportunities for us should those assets ever come to the market for us to be a strong player in acquiring them. That may be at Southern Power or could be at the OPCO.

Daniel Eggers
Analyst, Credit Suisse

You don't necessarily see the utilities doing more to develop renewables in territory in a rate base asset.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Oh, no, absolutely we could. In fact, I tried to suggest that in that little funny sentence where I said, "And there's probably more to come," if you remember that sentence. We've done a lot of business in Georgia. We've done four times 30 with DoD facilities, and I said, "And there's more to come." I'm very bullish on that. We've had a terrific relationship with the DoD. You know that the DoD has a renewables mandate goal, what have you. I think we were probably the first ones in the U.S. to work with them constructively to fulfill that mandate.

Daniel Eggers
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Very good. Thank you, guys.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yes, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of Ali Agha from SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Ali, how are you?

Ali Agha
Analyst, SunTrust

Hey, Tom. Good afternoon.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Good afternoon.

Ali Agha
Analyst, SunTrust

First question, Tom. Just wanted to clarify your scenarios on getting closure on the Mississippi issue. I recall one of the options previously was for the Supreme Court to overturn the ruling, which I guess was five-four. Is that still an option, or are you really thinking a global settlement could address all the issues they raised in the original ruling and take care of it from that perspective?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Ali, it's both of those. The Supreme Court could certainly reconsider their decision, that obviously. Think about the broad support in the state. Just about everybody in the state that we had huge participation in the amicus brief. Failing that, we could reach a global settlement which would, in effect, mimic many of the characteristics of the original rate order that was entered into in 2013. We could get that as well. We think any of those are better than filing for a 40% increase in a rate case. We'll see how it goes. Those are the paths we will follow.

Ali Agha
Analyst, SunTrust

Also, to be clear, I think you mentioned thinking about filing that rate case by mid-May, just a couple of weeks from here. In your mind, the other two paths, whether a global settlement or a Supreme Court reversal, realistically could happen within the next couple of weeks?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Sure. I suggested on the call earlier today that another alternative is for us to file the settlement proposal at the same time or contemporaneous with the conventional rate case.

Ali Agha
Analyst, SunTrust

Right. Yep, that's right. Secondly, this FERC show cause notice that they put out there to you guys on market power issues, how big of a deal is that, and how do you see that playing out?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

We don't think it's a big deal right now. Look, I don't think there's any evidence. In my opinion, there's very little evidence, no evidence, that Southern Power has any market power in the Southeast. I think this was a reaction by the FERC staff that basically pointed out that there was not much activity in our auction mechanism that we had put in place really up until 2014. In 2015, we introduced kind of a tweak on that auction process, which increased the activity of the auction manyfold. You got to understand, through this period, we've been a net purchaser, not seller. Heaven's sakes, I don't know how we exercise market power as a net purchaser of energy. Number two, the Southeast has been traditionally a bilateral market, and people are very happy.

There's been no contention at FERC that suggests that there's something wrong with the auction process we have in place. This, in fact, was a rule by the FERC that basically is raising a question where I'm not sure there's any problem at all. We have a chance to respond, and we'll provide our evidence and have a good constructive dialogue with FERC, and we'll see how it goes. In the near term, you should think about that in the next three to five years. At least in the thinking we've done so far, there's almost no potential adverse financial impacts from this.

Ali Agha
Analyst, SunTrust

I see. Okay. In your financial planning, you still have assumed no equity issuance through 2017. I was just curious, how much cushion do you have right now, so that different scenarios keep you in that no equity issuance mode? Or are you fairly close if you get more Southern Power activity, et cetera, that equity comes back into the equation?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yeah, Ali. Just recall last year, we issued $800 million versus the $600 million we planned. We're a bit ahead of where we thought we'd be. We don't really have any scenarios in which, in the foreseeable future, even with the Southern Power investments that we have outlined in our CapEx program, where we would need more equity. It would have to be in excess of the amounts that we forecasted. You can see we filled up our bucket in 2015 on placeholder projects, and we still have a ways to go in 2016. I think we're good, to give you a feel for it. I don't have a number to give you about where we are in the limit, but I think we're in pretty good shape.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

I think we've suggested in the past that kind of as we start to wind down our CapEx, and if you look at our CapEx slides, kind of, what was it? $6.8 billion to $5.5 billion or so to $4.3 billion or something like that. We're probably over-equitized to some degree. There's not pressure to sell more equity.

Ali Agha
Analyst, SunTrust

Got it. Thank you.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

You bet. Thank you, Ali.

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of Michael Lapides from Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Hey, Michael.

Michael Lapides
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hey, Tom. Congrats on a good start to the year and especially on the renewable side. One quick Mississippi question and then one natural gas question for you. In Mississippi, the court decision referenced pretty clearly the need for a prudency review before the Commission can grant any kind of rate increases. Given that this stems from a ratepayer or customer acting as litigant here, do you need to have a prudency hearing of some kind as part of any settlement docket?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

We've already filed a prudency record last year. We think all the evidence is there necessary for the Commission to act right now.

Michael Lapides
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. The Commission could issue a prudency determination based on what's in the record right now, and that should satisfy effectively what the Supreme Court said had not been satisfied when the Supreme Court made its ruling.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

That is our belief.

Michael Lapides
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. On the natural gas side, when you look at the infrastructure of the natural gas system throughout your service territory and maybe even slight neighboring areas, where do you all see is the biggest bottlenecks? Meaning, where is there a lack of midstream infrastructure that is needed to be able over the next, I want to say 5-10 years, because it's kind of hard to look much more beyond that, to help alleviate some natural gas or other midstream-related bottlenecks in your area?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah. That's a fascinating question. I wish I had my map and my pointer. It really depends on what you believe out of 111D and what we do with other kind of displaced coal assets should they arise. Recall under HAP, MACT or MATS, we went from kind of 20,000 megawatts down to 13,000, with 4,000 coal units being converted to gas, 3,000 retired completely. By EPA's own math, I'm not going to stand by their math because I frankly don't believe it's achievable in the time frames they do, but they would have us retire enough coal down to about 4,000 megawatts. What do you do? Do you convert that to gas? Do you build greenfield gas? Where do you build it? If you want to think about the way the pipes work in the Southeast, there's kind of two big themes.

The normal conventional historical theme would have come from the West. You got a lot of pipelines that kind of run from the Gulf of Mexico up through the northwestern part of Georgia, if you want to think about it that way, where you don't have a whole lot of distance to cover. You have some embedded costs that are attractive, and we could certainly link into systems to the West. It's not just Gulf of Mexico stuff, right? There's Fayetteville and some other areas out there that are shale gas related. The other theme would come out of the north. You would think about pipes that may come down north to south and kind of approach our territory more from the east. We'll see how that goes. You're talking about probably more expensive pipe.

Can you get a basis difference in the gas between the north and say a Henry Hub looking kind of proxy. That's really the two big themes in gas infrastructure that we seem to see.

Michael Lapides
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. My apologies real quick back on Mississippi. This may be an Art question. Art, given the court case and where it stands now, what happened in the first quarter from a GAAP accounting perspective in revenues in Mississippi versus what had been basically going on through all of 2013 and 2014? I'm just trying to kind of match up our GAAP revenue numbers to the Mississippi rate increases. Are they reflected in GAAP revenue? I know the cash was collected previously. I'm just trying to think through the puts and takes here.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Michael, we didn't record any [audio distortion] revenue in the first quarter. There were some impacts for equity return on some other pieces that actually went back into last fourth quarter of last year, where we unbooked some of that. It was all really deferred. I don't have a number to give you, but I can get you something after the call.

Michael Lapides
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. I mean, just trying to think big picture. You're basically no longer booking the revenue related to Kemper, that $156 million number.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Well, all of that was never going to income per se. It was all being booked on the balance sheet as a regulatory liability. It was going to be used to offset rate increases as the plant went into service over time. That was the whole design of [audio distortion].

Michael Lapides
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Right. Okay.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

It didn't impact it.

Michael Lapides
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

I'll follow up.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yeah.

Michael Lapides
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

I can follow up offline. Sorry to get too far down on the weeds on this one on the call. Much appreciated, guys.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah, we love that stuff. No problem.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Shahriar Pourreza from Guggenheim Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Good afternoon.

Shahriar Pourreza
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners

How are you, Tom? Hi, Art. How are you?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Super.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Hey, Shar.

Shahriar Pourreza
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners

A real question, quick question on Mississippi. I know you're kind of working on potentially striking the global settlement. Can you remind us if the asset has sort of a capacity factor hurdle it has to meet once it's live? It's good to see that it's running like a CCGT, I'm kind of curious on what the hurdles are once it's live.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Recall that the combined cycle that's running right now is running on natural gas. Ultimately, we have been working with the commission on an arrangement in which when you think about it, when we had the project certified, there was a capital cost component, then there was an energy cost component. What we've been able to kind of think about in the settlement is a way for us to essentially assure that Mississippi customers are held harmless from any cost overruns. We've done that painfully for all of us. Then, otherwise, to assure that the energy benefits are there for Mississippi's customers. I think we can get that done. You all must recognize that when Plant Ratcliffe was originally approved, this is a process that occurred in 2009 and 2010. Remember, we only had 10% of the engineering done.

There have been a host of changes in a variety of fronts, including natural gas prices, commodity prices, all host of things. I think what we would undertake to do is make sure that we could deliver the energy benefits that the commission thought they were getting when the project was approved. We've already spoken for the capital cost. I think we can get that done.

Shahriar Pourreza
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners

Got it. Then just one question on renewables, Tom, is we're starting to see some more contracts being signed post ITC step down. Curious on if you're seeing that within the Southeast then kind of what that placeholder could look like for Southern Power between wind and solar, say post 2016.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

What's interesting, Shar, is that right now there's an enormous rush to get stuff done, particularly in solar, before the end of 2016. Certainly, that has filled up our wheelbarrow of capital placeholders for 2015, and we feel really good about where we are for 2016. The wind deal was a way to straddle. In fact, it was interesting, one of our own directors used the phrase a divot in kind of the development activity of renewables and therefore earnings associated with the renewables. The other thing that's fascinating is as we start to consider kind of beyond renewables to 111D, we'll probably have a final rule there in summer, say August. States will now have to start providing for the reality of complying with that rule. We've got to start thinking about gas.

Remember, as I suggested earlier on the call, if we're going to do new gas generation, we need new gas infrastructure. Those things can go hand in hand in filling in that kind of flat spot.

Shahriar Pourreza
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners

Got it. Then just on any of the Southeast states, is anybody close to submitting a state implementation plan, or are we really far off?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

You don't have a final rule to react to.

Hey, Art just pointed something out. Why don't you stay with it, on the solar.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yeah. If you look at our CapEx budget in terms of growth CapEx in 2017, it's like $200 million.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Of solar projects.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Solar projects. It's very, very small compared to 2015 and 2016.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah. There is $200 million anyway.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yeah.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

It's way less than what we're seeing right now.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yep.

Shahriar Pourreza
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners

Got it. Thank you.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

That's a placeholder.

Shahriar Pourreza
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners

Excellent. Thanks so much.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

You bet. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of Paul Ridzon from KeyBanc. Please proceed with question.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Hello, Paul.

Paul Ridzon
Analyst, KeyBanc

Tom, how are you?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Awesome. How are you?

Paul Ridzon
Analyst, KeyBanc

Well, thank you. It seems incrementally with each call, you're embracing more and more renewables. If this trend continues, what are your current thoughts about when a yieldco might come into serious consideration?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

We're really following through on what we said we would do. It's funny. It's what you say and how you say it, I guess. The what's of what we've been saying here have been pretty consistent for a while now, that we thought that renewables would be important, certainly solar renewables through 2015 and 2016, while you had the 30% investment tax credit environment. That kind of beyond 2016 into 2017 and 2018, where 30% goes to 10%, all of a sudden wind starts looking like a way to address that gap. You should know the strategic synergy. We started procuring wind energy via contract, for us to take an equity position in wind puts us in a different posture than we had been before.

With respect to a yieldco, we'll consider anything, but I think, on balance, we felt that Southern Company in and of itself was a yieldco anyway. We have really efficient ways to raise capital. I think it introduces complexity into your balance sheet, and long term, I'm not sure that it inures to the benefit of shareholders. It certainly has short-term appeal, but I would never want to impair the long-term viability of this company by doing financial engineering or tricks. The other thing you should just know, let's just point out again, we haven't really talked about on this call, but we have in other calls. We have terrific tax appetite. Given our scale, given our tax appetite, you know that we've always been conservative. Gee whiz. Our tax appetite remains a competitive advantage for us to play in these fields.

Link in that with our experience with the major vendors, our low cost of capital, access to capital markets. Gee whiz. I think the developers that want to do something significant look to Southern as the premier partner right now. That's why we've been able to fill up our dance card.

Paul Ridzon
Analyst, KeyBanc

Okay. Thank you. Then it was refreshing to see the Kemper charge kind of immaterial this quarter. How does the future look there?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Tell me about it. Hey, look, we're in startup right now. There's a smidgen of construction left, but we're essentially in startup. The team there is working wonderfully. We brought in a guy that has had a tremendous amount of experience in startup of these types of processes, Chip Troxclair. He and his team have really done a dynamite job of staying to schedule and working around the issues. It's refreshing to us as well. They're doing a great job.

Paul Ridzon
Analyst, KeyBanc

Okay. Thank you.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

You bet.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Dan Jenkins from State of Wisconsin Investment Board. Please proceed with your question.

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Big Dan, how are you?

Dan Jenkins
Analyst, State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Pretty good. Good afternoon. First question's on slide 18, your financing plan. I noticed there are a couple revisions from the slide from last quarter, the big ones being Alabama in 2015 went from $700 to $1,375, and then in Mississippi bank debt in 2016 went from 0 to $900. I was wondering if you could talk about what's driving those changes.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yeah. I believe Alabama took advantage and issued some additional debt this year. It actually did some refunding that probably wasn't reflected in the schedule we showed you on the last call. Mississippi bank debt was really a renewal of bank notes that were maturing this year. There was about $775 million maturing this year, and we actually renewed those plus a couple of hundred million or $175 million or so of additional money. Really, that's serving as bridge financing until we get into a position where we can either go to the capital markets or do our securitization financing.

Dan Jenkins
Analyst, State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Okay. I wanted to go back a little bit on your retail sales growth. You talked about the change in the weather normalized sales. I was wondering if you could give us a little color on the customer growth. How is that going? Is it consistent with your expectation, or how is that playing out?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Well, we talked a little bit about customer growth in the residential side. We added 16,000 new. I think last year we added 10,000 in the first quarter, pretty good jump in growth. I think if you do a year-over-year look, it's about a 37,000 increase. If you look what we have added since the first quarter of last year, 37,000. You may recall that prior to the recession, we were adding almost 60,000 or more a year. It's not back to where it was, but it's showing stronger growth.

Dan Jenkins
Analyst, State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Last I was looking at the Vogtle construction update on slide five, I think it is, I noticed you didn't really change any of the information related to unit four. I was wondering if that was still according to plan or if there's been some slippage in the near term and on the horizon or essentially the same as what you reported last quarter.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

I don't have last quarter's slide in front of me, I believe that what you're seeing there is still kind of consistent with where we are. The biggest new module, that CA04 module is not a very big one. Neither are CB65 or 66. The next biggest module for unit four will be CA20, we mentioned that in the script. That is just now beginning assembly in the MAB, the module assembly building.

Dan Jenkins
Analyst, State of Wisconsin Investment Board

The schedule hasn't really changed for unit four from what you reported last time?

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Not that I'm aware.

Dan Jenkins
Analyst, State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Okay. Thank you. That's all I had.

Art P. Beattie
EVP and CFO, Southern Company

Yes, sir.

Operator

At this time, there's no further question. Mr. Fanning, are there any closing remarks?

Thomas A. Fanning
Chairman, President, and CEO, Southern Company

Yeah. Thank you. Listen, everybody, we appreciate you being on the call. I think the company's off to a great start. As we've said, the franchise for some time now has been in as good a shape as it's ever been. If we continue to execute like champions, then we're going to do our best to make sure that as shareholders, you're handsomely rewarded. Thanks very much. Talk to you soon.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude The Southern Company first quarter 2015 earnings call. You may now disconnect.