Ladies and gentlemen, good morning and welcome to the mBank Capital Morning! Witamy na Capital Markets Day w mBank. Joanna. Nazywam się Karol Prażmo, jestem Managing Directorem odpowiedzialnym za kwestie skarbowe i relacje inwestorskie. Bardzo dziękuję za udział w naszym spotkaniu w audytorium i online sprzed komputerów. Jest to dla nas bardzo ważny dzień, w którym nakreślimy strategię grupy mBank na kolejne 5 lat. Prezes i członkowie zarządu nakreślą wizję, aspiracje i cele strategiczne dla naszej wspólnej przyszłości. Tytułem strategii jest "Cała naprzód". Statek łódź szybko płynie, wypływa na otwarte wody i będzie z nami przez kolejne dwie godziny. Rozmowa o strategii symbolizuje rozpęd i wiatr w żaglach. Zaczynamy. Zapraszam Prezesa i CEO banku Cezary Kocik. Dziękuję, Karol. Dzień dobry Państwu. Zgadzam się, że to dla nas bardzo ważny dzień. Już za chwilę zaprezentujemy nową strategię na kolejne 5 lat. Przygotowaliśmy ją wspólnie z moim zespołem, z zarządem.
Przedstawię członków: Krzysztof Bratos, Wiceprezes Zarządu do spraw bankowości detalicznej; Adam Pers, Wiceprezes do spraw bankowości korporacyjnej i inwestycyjnej; Krzysztof Dąbrowski, operacje informatyka; Pascal Ruhland, nasz CFO; Katarzyna Piwek, Wiceprezeska do spraw HR, zastępująca dziś Julię Nusser, która niestety ze względu na problemy zdrowotne nie mogła dziś do nas dołączyć. Na koniec Marek Lusztyn, nasz CRO, Wiceprezes do spraw zarządzania ryzykiem. Zaczynamy. Stoimy w przełomowym momencie w historii mBanku. Przez ostatnie dziesięciolecia konsekwentnie zdobywaliśmy zaufanie milionów klientów. Stawialiśmy na innowacje i kwestionowaliśmy utarte schematy. To prawie 6 millionów klientów, których głos ma dla nas znaczenie. Dziś z dumą przedstawiam strategię banku na lata 2026-2030. Została ona opracowana zgodnie z naszym DNA i kulturą mBanku, w pełni wewnętrznie, w oparciu o wzajemną inspirację i współpracę. W proces ten zaangażowaliśmy ponad 200 pracowników mBanku z Polski, Czechia, Słowacji oraz naszych spółek zależnych.
Hasło naszej strategii "Cała naprzód" to coś więcej niż tylko slogan, to deklaracja zamiaru. Odzwierciedla naszą gotowość do przyspieszenia wzrostu, pogłębiania relacji i prowadzenia transformacji bankowości w Polsce i poza nią. Mamy bardzo mocny punkt wyjścia. Od zawsze stawialiśmy i stawiamy klienta w centrum wszystkich naszych działań. Nasi klienci i relacje z nimi to wiatr w naszych żaglach. To na tym budujemy. Udowodniliśmy, że potrafimy rosnąć organicznie i wyprzedzać sektor pod względem wzrostu dochodów podstawowych. Co czyni go jeszcze bardziej wyjątkowym, to to, że osiągnęliśmy tę ścieżkę wzrostu mimo poważnych przeciwności w ostatnich latach, łącznie z ograniczoną dostępnością kapitału z powodu sagi bankowej. Jednak nadal rośliśmy szybciej niż rynek, dzięki sile naszego modelu i lojalności naszych klientów. Zbudowaliśmy wartościową i młodą bazę klientów, charakteryzującą się tak zwaną premią demograficzną. A 67% naszych klientów to pokolenie Z i milenialsi, podczas gdy w całej populacji stanowią oni 45%.
To nasza największa przewaga konkurencyjna. Ci klienci rozwijają się razem z nami, a my chcemy rosnąć razem z nimi, wspierając ich ambicje na każdym etapie. Nasza współpraca z klientami korporacyjnymi również opiera się na solidnych fundamentach, relacjach, które zaczęliśmy budować już w 1986 roku, kiedy od zera powstawał bRe Bank. Potwierdza to wysoki wskaźnik NPS na poziomie 56%, najwyższy na polskim rynku bankowości korporacyjnej. To nie są tylko statystyki, to nasze strategiczne przewagi, które pozwalają nam osiągać ponadprzeciętne wyniki i patrzeć optymistycznie w przyszłość.
What powers our organization? It's our people, our brand, and our technology. The digital world is our natural environment, where we stay the course and set the pace. What is incredibly important is that we do this responsibly, ensuring our clients' safety. We are proud to have the strongest brand in the Polish banking sector, not just in recognition, but in emotional connection. Our employee engagement score places us in the top quarter in Europe. Our digital-first mindset and GenAI deployment are not just aspirations; they are facts. This is the mBank DNA: agile, innovative, and deeply human. We have overcome challenges that once constrained us. The legal risk related to FX mortgage loans has been largely mitigated. At the end of June, we had only 10,000 active Swiss franc loans, but now it declined to only 8,000.
We are now ready to navigate at full speed, with the wind lifting our ambitions. Our capital base is robust, with a safe buffer, giving us room to grow dynamically. We have achieved it thanks to our effort: securitization transactions, issuance of 81 capital, and retention of profits. Our profitability is among the highest in the sector, with return on tangible equity at 21% in the first half of 2025, and as much as 38.5% in the core business, excluding the impact of FX mortgage loans. Thus, we are embarking on the next chapter of mBank's growth, with strength, clarity, and determination. "Full speed ahead" is our strategic motto. It means scaling with purpose, innovating with discipline, and growing with our clients in a profitable way. It's about being smarter, more convenient, and more connected in every market where we serve our clients.
In the past, we have already shown our ability to dynamically extend our market shares and grow organically at a pace comparable to the one set in the strategy. In the five-year period before the peak of the Swiss franc saga in 2022, we increased our market shares in retail loans and deposits by 2 percentage points, and in corporate loans by nearly 1.5 percentage points. Maintaining a similar growth trajectory will be essential to delivering on our strategic ambitions by 2030. Our key strategic target is to exceed 10% market share in 2030 in loans and deposits across both the retail and corporate segments. This is not just about numbers; it is about our ambition to be a top-tier universal bank. We have already made significant progress, and already we are Poland's most successful growth story in the banking sector. Now, we are accelerating and positioning mBank for growth.
We want to grow dynamically, but not only in volume. Thus, efficiency will be our backbone. We'll maintain a cost-to-income ratio below 35% and deliver competitive return on tangible equity above 22% during the strategic horizon. Starting from a net profit for 2026, we'll resume dividend payments with a target payout ratio of 75% by 2030. Consequently, our net profit is set to triple until 2030 compared to 2024, which shows the magnitude of the future value for our shareholders. We are building a compelling investment case based on profitable growth, resilience, and shareholders' returns. Now, let's explore the pillars that define our strategic direction. Our purpose is simple yet powerful: simplifying finances, helping bring goals to life. We have always believed that simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. We have shown it by solving hard problems in a way that feels easy for our customers.
This is not just about banking; it is about enabling dreams, whether it is a first home, a high-performing company, or a secure retirement. We are here to make those journeys easier, smarter, and more human. mBank's strategy for 2026-2030 will be based on three pillars. The first one is lifecycle-based growth. We grow with our clients, adapting our value proposition to their life moments and evolving needs over time. The second one is customer excellence. We simplify financial journeys and deliver delightful experiences. The third pillar is our organizational excellence. We empower our people and leverage technology to scale mBank. These three pillars are not isolated; they are interconnected to better drive our transformation. We integrate sustainability into everything we do, not as a checkbox, but as a core belief. Our employees are the engine of our growth. Their commitment, creativity, and culture make mBank exceptional.
Thank you, Cezary Kocik, for setting out the strategic vision. Ladies and gentlemen, now it will be time to learn about the upcoming journey in detail. Before we go there, I want to tell you more about today's event. The presentation of the strategy will take about one hour. Then my co-host and mBank's Head of Investor Relations, Joanna Filipkowska, will lead the demo session, during which we'll show you five examples of products and solutions that will be rolled out during the strategy and on which we have significant advancement. You will have the opportunity to ask questions, both here in the room and in front of your screens. A note to our online participants: please use the chat box within the livestream to submit your questions at any time during the event. Without further ado, it's time to learn about the upcoming journey in detail.
I would like to invite Vice President of the Management Board for Retail Banking, Krzysztof Bratos, to the stage. Krzysztof, mBank's client base has always been unique. What is so special about our client base, and what's in store for them in product terms in this strategy?
Thank you, Karol. Our CEO talked about favorable demographics, and indeed, it's the age of our clients that makes us very special on the Polish banking map. You see, we've always been loved by younger generations, and luckily, this is still the case today. 74% of our clients are still below the age of 46. That's a very important threshold. We estimate that in between the age of 46 and 55, it falls to the so-called peak earning period. This is when the retail clients accumulate the most of their assets, hold the most of their products, and together with their banks, generate the most of the revenue. One could say that revenue-wise, the future is still bright and is ahead of us for both our clients and ourselves as a bank serving them. You could say that we already have clients that others need to chase.
For this very reason, in this strategy, we're going to primarily focus on our existing clients. Focusing on your existing clients means that you need to serve them at different ages and serve their different needs, and those needs evolve. This is why in this strategy, we want to evolve from being an exceptional transactional bank that we are for sure today already, into a long-life partner that helps our clients with their long-term goals. This new strategy will see an introduction of more long-term products like savings, digital mortgages, and investments, from day-to-day trading up to the planning for your pension.
Krzysztof, you spoke about the client base, you spoke about products, but how will we support the financial well-being of our clients?
This is a very important part for us, and we treat it with a huge responsibility. We believe that the products, even if digital, simple, and intuitive, are not enough by themselves. We want to help our clients navigate them all, but also use them wisely. We want to help our clients take care of their financial well-being, and it's going to be an important part of our strategy. We're going to introduce it twofold. Firstly, we're going to help our clients take care of their day-to-day life. To make sure that they stay safe online, that they spend less than they earn, build a financial cushion, keep close ones safe, and borrow responsibly. We're going to help them with that by introducing a financial health score, but also a set of contextual tips and communication and education to make sure their day-to-day life is in order.
This will be a foundation of our financial health being. Once this foundation is set, we'll help our clients with a second part. That second part will be a set of digital financial planning tools, but also support of our experts that will help our clients plan holistically all of those complex products in one cohesive plan, from planning for your pension, to planning for your children's education, to saving for your first home. We aspire for 50% of our clients to be financially healthy in 2030.
We now understand the focus on financial health and the product offering for every stage of life. What will this mean for the growth in the number of active clients?
Here's where I need to mention our demographic premium once again. 78% of our 35-year-old clients have a junior-aged child. Also, 1.5 million of our clients, those aged 35 and 50, will soon be guiding the financial decisions of their parents. This creates a tremendous and valuable ecosystem, the one that we want to build on. We want it to pay off for our clients to be here at mBank, together with their children, their partners, their parents, and even their friends. We want to grow through our clients and not chasing sometimes very expensive external acquisitions. We believe that this will strengthen the loyalty of our clients, but also allow us to grow in a very, very efficient way.
Krzysztof, you've given us a lot of insight about the priorities for Poland. What are the strategic objectives for operations in Czechia and Slovakia?
We've created one mBank strategy, and this means we'll be doing a lot more together with Czechia and Slovakia. We believe that only an aligned platform approach is the way to build things in a scalable and efficient way, but also set a foundation for potential expansion into other foreign countries in the future. In this strategy, we'll bring to Czechia and Slovakia solutions that already exist in Poland, especially for the affluent and SME clients. What will make this Czechia and Slovakia strategy slightly distinctive will be a bit more focused on external acquisition, as in here we want to catch up and be the market share-wise at the same stage that we are already in Poland. This should convert into having 1 million active customers in 2030, and through them, doubling our loan volumes and almost doubling our deposit volume.
We believe that this approach will not only accelerate the growth of those foreign markets, but also will bring tremendous benefits as an innovation for the whole group.
You talked about the product offering for affluent and SME clients in Czechia and Slovakia. Can you tell us more about these two segments in Poland?
I started my presentation today talking about the younger people joining mBank. Truth to be told, they joined us 10, 15, or 20 years ago, and we meet them here in Poland every day. Since then, they grew. Their little student account is now an affluent account. Their little startup is a well-prospering enterprise. The most beautiful thing is they actually grew with us, and they stayed. We have proof for that. 73% of our affluent clients have been with us for more than 10 years. Also, on the SME side, 71% of our high-potential business clients have started with us as a little startup. Best of them all, 70% of our business clients are also our individual clients. It's a tremendous and valuable two segments that we call the super segments. There are more numbers standing behind it.
Our affluent clients constitute only 27% of our client base, but yet generate 70% of individual revenue. The high-potential business clients, we call the clients who generate a $1 million annual turnover, constitute only 30% of our clients but generate half of the SME revenue. They're valuable, loyal, and high-potential clients that, with a little extra care, with a little appreciation that they absolutely deserve, and with a little bit of additional products, can flourish even further together with us. This is why this new strategy will see a significant focus on the affluent and on the SMEs in their upper levels.
Now that we know more about these two segments, can you tell us about how you want to deepen the relationships with affluent and SME clients?
We strive to create the best-in-class value proposition for the modern affluent, starting with daily banking excellence through global traveler benefits, but also your lifestyle benefits that you can use here in Poland. Maybe most of all, we want to elevate their service. We want to show them that they're appreciated, and they can have fast access and fast track to some of our services. In some cases, we'll even go as far as introducing a dedicated advisor to our clients. This will be new for mBank. We believe that once you get to the more complex stages of your life, you do need to speak to a person, regardless of how sophisticated your digital solutions are. We want our clients, our affluent clients, to feel like in private banking, but of course, in a very digital, very modern, and very mBank way.
We strive to serve 1.4 million of those affluent clients at the end of our strategic horizon. We're going to do exactly the same for our SMEs, so SME plus, how we call them. We want to expand their financing solutions as their needs grew over those last 10 years. We will also introduce additional products known mostly from our corporations' world, like mLeasing, but then with a fully integrated version with our banking app. Similarly to affluence, we'll go as far, in some cases, introducing also dedicated advisors who will help them flourish and develop. This should convert into serving 120,000 of those high-potential firms at mBank. Obviously, that is naturally before we will help them transition to the full corporations' world.
Thank you, Krzysztof Bratos. Ladies and gentlemen, now that we know the plan for the retail segment, let's talk about our exceptional corporate and investment banking business. I would like to invite Vice President of the Management Board, Adam Pers, to the stage.
Good morning.
Adam, can you tell us about the growth aspirations for your business?
Of course, thank you. Good morning once again. Today, I'll be talking about the corporate banking strategy, but let me start shortly with the reference to our CEO, Cezary Kocik. He said that the motto of our bank is "full speed ahead." We decided with our team that we translate it into corporate banking language, which is what you see on the slide. This is long-term business growth. It's going to be the most important sentence in our strategy. The question is, how are we going to deliver that? We decided jointly with our risk colleagues that we will grow in the sustainable transition and sustainable finance. What is important, we defined six prospective industries. We'll talk about that later. We cannot forget about our strengths, which means structured finance, investment banking, and international banking.
What we need to deliver this growth, which at the end of the strategy should let us reach that market share in the amount of 10%, which translates into PLN 20 billion net growth. We need something that we call exceptional, unique hybrid model. We need organizational excellence, which is built on digitalization, but going forward with the strategy, we'll add the AI component. Last but not least, it's our people. Our people created the strategy, and our people jointly with us, with the board, will deliver the strategy. We need them motivated and highly qualified.
Adam, you referred to the best unique hybrid model. What exactly is behind this concept?
Yeah, it requires explanation indeed, because here we talk about three pillars. The first pillar is, we call it remote but digital. The second pillar is remote but human, and the third one is offline. This remote digital, I will talk also later on during the strategy, the presentation. We're talking about the new mBank company net, so our main gateway to the customers. We're talking about the fine-tuning of mobile banking. This will create something which we call virtual branch. Customers sometimes need the contact with the person. If for some reason the customer cannot be able to self-service via digital channel, then we have a dedicated contact center, which is only for corporate business. We are doing so because we want our offline channel, which means relationship manager, to have enough time to talk to people, to talk about the business, talk about the transition, transactions, et cetera.
They will be supported by top, best-in-class product specialists. These all three pillars constitute what we call the best unique hybrid model.
Adam, going beyond the service model and into the client base, can you tell us about the specific growth strategies for each of the three corporate client segments?
This requires a little bit of explanation because, as you heard, we're a universal bank. You already listened to Krzysztof's strategy, where we have different types of customers. Within the corporate banking, we also have relatively small and not sophisticated customers, which is the K3. We have also large corporate, which is K1. Let me start with the latter one. K1 customers, this is the segment that, for some reason, in a couple of last years, we were not so active. Now we want to come back to something which we called bigger tickets. We'll be more present in this segment. We offer them more sophisticated products like M&A, structured finance, and all these complex products. If you talk about the biggest engine from the volume perspective, it's definitely going to be K2, which is our mid-size corporate segment.
Here we have a combination of complex products like investment banking, sustainable finance. At the same time, we know that a significant part of the financing in this segment is relatively small tickets. That's why we will offer so-called fast track credit process. As I said, this is going to be the biggest engine from the volume perspective. From the, I would say, biggest change, it will happen in the K3 segment, which is our corporate SME segment. Here are the challenges or targets. First of all, we would like to double the number of active customers. Here we're talking about the active customers, not just the open accounts. It is going to be credit customers. Second thing, we want to offer them, we call it a semi-automated credit path. If you allow me, I will, in a few sentences, elaborate how it's going to work in real terms.
Our aim is that customers start the journey in the component system. The application for a loan will be done in the system. Then the loan will be done in a semi-automated way. Finally, signing the agreement and disbursing the money will be done also in the component system. At the end, we are talking about an end-to-end process, which means that managing the loan going forward will be done also in this process. What is our ambition? We are starting from zero. I think we are transparent here. We want to reach 40% of this double number of credit customers at the end of the strategy horizon.
Thank you, Adam Pers. We'll be back with you in a moment, so please don't go anywhere. Ladies and gentlemen, I would now like to go into corporate credit risk and the industries that we want to focus on. I would like to discuss this with our Chief Risk Officer, Marek Lusztyn. Good morning, everyone.
Marek, where should we expect growth in the corporate portfolio as we roll out this strategy?
As Adam said, we have asked ourselves what will make the Polish economy tick over the next five years. We have asked ourselves what our clients will face, how we can help them benefit from those trends. We have identified six big trends, six, how we call it, big shifts that the Polish economy will face until 2030. We want to support our clients in that specific shift to make sure that they are benefiting from those. First of all, and that is not a surprise to anybody, it's the energy transition. Second of all, it's the green economy and sustainable finance. We have identified the localization of production, automation, and robotization of production as the next big shift that the Polish economy is going to face. Krzysiek and Cezary were alluding to the demographic shifts in our retail base.
These demographic shifts are not only related to our retail base. It is also something that our corporate clients are going to face. We want to help them in that shift as well. The help in financing, free-time economy, and healthcare is the next one that we will zoom into. Finally, I guess this is also not a surprise to anybody, defense. I would like to highlight that it is not a new area for mBank. We are going to capitalize on existing expertise, and sometimes even on us being already a clear market leader in some of those segments. When we think about quantitative KPIs that we have put in front of ourselves for the corporate portfolio, the first one is an increase of sustainable financing in the overall corporate portfolio from 11% in 2024 to 15% by 2030.
As it comes to our ambitions in supporting those big shifts, in supporting our clients in benefiting from those big shifts in the Polish economy, we would like to increase the share of financing from 20% at the end of last year to 40% by the end of the strategy horizon.
Thank you, Marek Lusztyn. Now let's return to the strategic plans for Corporate and Investment Banking. Adam Pers, back to you. Poland is the fifth largest economy in the EU, and we're part of the Commerzbank Group. What does this mean for us in terms of cross-border opportunities?
Thank you for this question, but let me top up three facts. First of all, Poland is the fifth biggest economy in the European Union, and we proudly exceed $1 trillion nominal GDP. This is a very important fact. If you look at mBank and Commerzbank, mBank is a very strong player in the Polish market. Luckily, we have a foreign investor who is very active in the most developed economy in Europe, which is Germany, but is also present internationally. I hope that you see that on the map. When we want to develop growth in more sophisticated products, let me start with the presence in Poland. mBank in corporate banking is famous for its competence in structured finance, both on the corporate, sales side, and risk area.
Our aim is the following: to be a market leader in structured finance, to be the bank of the first choice for the private equity, which was the case over the past few years. Finally, we want to constantly deliver new products to more sophisticated customers like we did in the past years. Going abroad and going to the cooperation with the Commerzbank, our plan is to help our customers go internationally. We're going to support customers in two dimensions. The first dimension is the opening account and, let's say, working operationally in the foreign market using the Commerzbank network. We see that, and we read in the press, that going forward, our customers are more and more active buying the competitors, even in the western part of Europe.
In this journey, we would like to be active, and we would like to be the bank of the first choice for the customers. In the opposite direction, we would like to continue and even further strengthen the cooperation in which we invite foreign customers to Poland. We want to be, let's say, the biggest gateway for the customers that have an account with the Commerzbank, but also for the customers that are entering the Polish market and want to set up the relationship with the bank. Finally, recently, we started quite actively the journey with the Commerzbank on the Treasury Bond market. In this respect, we want to grow going forward over the strategy horizon.
Thank you, Adam Pers. Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the first strategic pillar, lifecycle-based growth. Now we move to the second strategic pillar, customer excellence. We will again start with retail banking. Krzysztof Bratos, welcome back to the stage. Krzysztof, what innovations are we planning to make mobile banking feel even more effortless and intuitive?
We believe that mBank has been setting standards in mobile banking and digital banking for quite some time already. Truth to be told, the world doesn't stop. It changes. It evolves. Not only in the banking ecosystem, but also in the fintechs that are already in Poland. Around 10 years ago, the average banking app was providing just a few, maybe 15 products in the banking ecosystem. Today, it's actually tens of products and tens of services. It takes a fresh look on how you navigate them all and how you use them all. We've decided to take that fresh look. We've decided to do not just a tiny uplift, but a significant upgrade on how we use our application. We're going to introduce the three major innovations.
Firstly, we're going to put a new application architecture, the way you find your services, the way you find your products, and how you navigate it all. We'll also add high personalization. Me, my wife, my kids, and my parents, we use the mBank app in a completely different way, as we need different products and different solutions. We'll allow our clients to customize it. Secondly, we will provide more of an instant feedback by automating more of our sales processes, but also those post-sales, and give that client a sense of control that whatever their click is happening instantly. Thirdly, we're going to introduce a redesigned communication system with new graphics, emotions, even videos, or even haptics, the solutions that you have seen already in the different industries and you happily use. Why not in banking?
We believe those three innovations will contribute to creating and still having a very simple and very intuitive app, but yet the one that can handle the complex world's needs while staying modern and fresh. What if all of that was not enough and you actually needed to go a step further in today's world? What if you all could actually talk to it? Ask it how much I spent for my last trip in Barcelona, or what is the status of my complaint, or perhaps what can I do with my 10,000 PLN? What if you could do it all in a natural language, maybe sometimes even with spelling mistakes, of course, while staying in your safe banking environment? Would that be another chatbot, Assistant 2.0, or something a little bit more than that? In here, I would love Krzysztof Dąbrowski to share a few words about it.
I'll be happy to do so, but I would like to also enlist a little bit of help from our guests, if I may. I will not ask you if you ever used a banking app, because I can safely assume you did. May I ask you, who of you ever used any banking chatbot or assistant? Raise your hand, please. OK, quite a bit. Who of you thinks this assistant was not particularly smart? Raise your hand, please. Thank you. Even more. That's a bit surprising. Thank you for your support. It will not be a surprise to you, probably, that we do share your view. With the help of GenAI, we would like to take this experience in mBank to another level. First, there are 100 ways of asking for the same thing, and we don't want our customers to guess the correct question.
It's our task to guess the correct answer. Most of those assistants that you do not find very smart are just a giant knowledge base, and not particularly even good at answering the questions. We would like to teach our assistants a lot of verbs, more than 200 of them, actually, to make it very, very helpful in providing services to our customers, not only answers to the questions. Last but not least, we will combine it with all of the data we have about our customers to provide a personalized experience. This will not feel generic. This will feel like the assistant is there just for you, to serve your needs and know a lot about you. Thank you.
Thank you very much, Krzysztof. Not just simple questions, but definitely actions, over 200 of them, also executed through the voice.
We believe that this is not another assistant, not another chatbot, but the very beginning of a new channel of how you can use your app and how you can use your bank. We believe that this is the very beginning of conversational banking. Thank you.
Thank you, Krzysztof Bratos. Thank you. Thank you, Krzysztof Dąbrowski. I would like to invite Adam Pers back to the stage, please. Adam, what can you tell us about what will change in the way that you interact with customers in the corporate and investment banking area?
Thank you. I had the impression that while I was describing the hybrid model, I already promised a lot. Now I will be talking about how we deliver that. Let me start with the company mobile, which is definitely the application for relatively small customers. Here, we will focus on base modules, which are FX, payment, BLIK, and all this, I would say, that we need on a daily basis. What is extremely important is we receive the feedback from our customers that in the case of company mobile, apart from features, also security is as important as those features. Definitely, the second part of our, I would say, development of company mobile will be the security of this application. The main change will happen to the company net system, our core gateway in the digital world. Here, we will implement new modules, or we modify the modules.
Let me start with the so-called personal dashboard, personalized workspace. Why are we talking about this solution at first? As I said, we have different kinds of customers, relatively small, relatively complex. My personal experience is that when I have an application, not necessarily banking, but any other, and I can adjust the application going through 100 or 50 questions, it's relatively difficult to go through this. Here, we would like to build a system that almost automatically adjusts to the company and adjusts to the so-called persona, to the person working with the application. It's going to be convenient, and this is the most important word. The second thing is we'll be working on the payments module. What is important, we will build a new, we call it a liquidity module. This is something that will truly use the AI, because it will be analyzing the history.
It will be analyzing the current situation of the liquidity of our customer, and it will give some advice. Let's imagine that the customer may need some loan in the future. I hope that having the next module, which is the expanded loan module, the customers will be able to apply for a loan and potentially sign and disburse also in the company system. I already mentioned that when we are cooperating with Commerzbank and we want to go abroad with customers and invite foreign customers to Poland, that's why we will pay special attention to the FX model. Last but not least, here you can see our ambitious target, which is 80% of every interaction with customers done in the digital world. What is important, this is end-to-end.
It is for the customer digital, but also, finally, in the Krzysztof Dąbrowski area, operations also end up in a digital way. We would like to deliver that by enhancing the so-called self-service via virtual branch. The last thing, which is very important, is that our current component system, which, as I said, we have to rebuild because the customer needs more, has a perception of the top three on the market. Our ambition target is to be at least number three from the perspective of our customers, how they see this application.
Thank you, Adam Pers. Krzysztof Dąbrowski, Adam Pers spoke about all the enhancements to mBank company net and mBank company mobile. Can you tell us about what is happening on the back end to make all of this possible?
Yes, I will be happy to say. Before, I will tell you what we just did, because I think a bit of a history is important here, and it is a good history. I'm actually very blessed with the business colleagues that you've just seen in action, who are very ambitious. They set themselves very high targets, and they have this tendency of actually delivering them. IT has not to be the roadblock. IT has to be an enabler and a helper. One of the very important aspects of IT in banks are the core systems. I've been on the AKF. This is the Polish gathering of all of the banking industry last year. There was a large roundtable, around 12 participants from all of the major banks in Poland. The question was, what do you do about the modernization of your core system?
I was lucky because I was sitting like I was like ninth. The answers were like, we are not touching it. We are thinking. We are analyzing. That's too complex. My answer in June was, we are going to finish it this year. You are the first to hear it, that as of today, both of our core systems, the corporate and the retail, are modernized, are taken to the modern technologies. All of our customers are right now on the new platforms without even noticing that, because we did it in parallel with the normal business growth, and we did it without stopping the bank. Why we did it? We did it in order to do the next steps. We wanted to get rid of the legacy that we have.
We are a relatively young bank in the grand scheme of things, but we also had our legacy, because I would say the majority or the vast majority of our employees were not even around when we implemented those core systems. Now, when we migrated to the better solutions, we can do the things that we planned to ourselves in the strategy. The most important program in IT has a very short name. In the spirit of saying not a lot, but doing quite a bit, we are going to make our bank 24/7. In retail, it may sound easy, because retail, in our case, is already running 24/7. The remaining problems are the technical breaks. It will take a bit of heavy engineering to reduce it down to almost zero.
For the corporate banking, it's a bit of a different challenge in mBank, because our corporate banking is not working 24/7. It's not working over the weekends, and it's not working during the night. We are using the opportunity that we get from the fact that we have to support European instant payments, but we want to take it to the next level in the mBank fashion. We want to give access to our corporate customers to the majority of the important products 24/7 and to extend the availability of the rest through the weekend. We think that this will be the great basis for our business to grow further. The other important aspect that I'm responsible for in the bank is the security. To tell you about the security is a bit harder than to tell you about the IT, because we just don't have this one grand project.
In fact, we have really a couple of dozens of projects that we want to do in the time frame of the strategy. We group them into three pillars. Actually, they don't change. These are the same pillars that we've been having so far. The first one is the cybersecurity. Obviously, a substantial part of the trust the customers put on us is coming from the fact that we are offering them a security. Cybersecurity, in the sense of defending the bank, but also helping customers defend themselves, this is a crucial aspect. We are going to continue investing in this area. The other part, which is no less important, is anti-fraud. The fraud is, let's say, an ongoing daily burden for our customers. The trends are not actually good. It's actually getting worse from the customer's perspective. mBank is here to protect them.
We will extend our anti-fraud systems, but also, we will deliver more self-service to the customers. If actually something bad happens, the customers will be able to help themselves. Last but not least, we strongly believe that humans are the best firewall for all kinds of bad things. We are probably the first bank that really invested in the broad communication to the Polish society about security. We've been running public campaigns aimed not only at our customers, but at all citizens of Poland, because we believe that the customers who are aware of the security risks are the customers that can better protect themselves. On the other hand, we are also investing in our own employees, because they can protect the bank, but they could also protect both the customers, but also their friends and their neighbors. Those three pillars form together our security strategy.
Krzysztof, with that, you've brought us to the end of the second strategic pillar, which is customer excellence. Now we go into the third strategic pillar, organizational excellence. I want to stay with you. You spoke about AI in conversational banking earlier during the presentation. Can you tell us about the other places where you and your team will be deploying AI?
OK. You've heard a bit about AI from my colleagues' presentations. These are the, let's say, the large business applications of the AI that we are doing together. We are treating this concept very seriously. On top of everything, we are also running our own incubator for those solutions, because we believe that we need a deep focus and a lot of acceleration to really make it happen on a daily basis here in mBank. I'm not going to be able to take you through all of the things that we are working on. On the other hand, I'm not going to tell you what we're going to do three years down the road, because on one hand, I probably don't know, actually. On the other hand, we wouldn't like to reveal too much to our competition. I will just explain to you and show you three solutions.
They are at the stage that either they are already in production in mBank, or they will be very soon. I'm not going to spoil the market's success. The first one is what we call a deep customer understanding. The banks have a lot of data about customers. Historically, we've been all very, very good at analyzing this, all of the structured data we have about customers, the transactions, the financial data, the products they are using, even how they are using the products. All of the banks know it. All of the banks analyze it, hopefully. All of the banks know how to deal with this kind of data. There is a whole ocean of the data that is not structured. These are the interactions that we are having with our customers. It's voice interactions, video interactions, but even simple chat interactions. We have a lot of those.
Historically, they were very hard to actually analyze. We've been analyzing them in a very, let's say, focused way, for instance, to do quality control of our conversations. It was not really possible to do it at scale. As of today, in mBank, we are analyzing all of the interactions we have with our customers. Thanks to the generative AI, we can process all of them. We can process voice. We can process text. On a mass scale, we can draw the conclusions. On one hand, what the customers want from us, which is very important. On the other hand, how do we serve the customers? What is the quality of our interactions? What is the quality of our conversations? We no longer have to sample. We can analyze all of them. The other example is maybe very niche and technical, but it also shows the power of the technology.
We call this, internally, we call this product "talk to your data." We have a lot of data in mBank. On top of the actual size of the data, our data models are very, very large. There is no living human being in mBank who knows it all. Our analysts spend quite a lot of time before they actually start to work with the data. They spend a lot of time finding the data in our systems. We created a tool for them that we can use and ask the questions in natural language. You could ask, for instance, where can I find the information about all of the retail customers who gave the marketing consent but didn't have the mortgage with us for the last 20 years, but are making more than three transactions per month?
This tool will create a database query, and we show to the analysts where this data is in our system and how to get it. Last but not least, this is probably the toughest nut that we are trying to crack. These are the customer complaints. Why are customer complaints very tough? It's the definition of unstructured. The customers are writing us a letter. I'm always saying this is not always a love letter to the bank. This letter is just a prose. It describes the problem in the way the customers see fit. We have to analyze this prose. We have to extract what is the problem. Based on this, we need to find out what should be the solution for this problem and create steps for the person in the bank to solve the problem.
At the end of the day, we need to actually write the response to the customers. This response has to maybe make sense, be written according to our standards, and solve the customer problem. All of it together creates probably the toughest automation problem I in my career had to deal with. We are solving it already with the help of generative AI. Part of the customer claims already in mBank are being processed with the help of this solution.
Krzysztof Dąbrowski, thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, now let's shift focus from technology to people. Katarzyna Piwek is our Deputy Director responsible for Human Resources. Katarzyna, what makes mBank's teams exceptional?
Two factors. Our employees are highly engaged and driven, and there are numbers that demonstrate these qualities. First, it's our engagement score. We achieved 68% of engagement during the past two years, while the top quartile in Poland starts at 64%. The second number speaks more to our employees' motivation to grow. Our staff completed over 20,000 future skills initiatives, not to mention all the others, during the past four years. On the HR side, we actively support this engagement. We invest heavily in skills-based development. We care about our employees' well-being. Just as Krzysztof Bratos mentioned, we care about our customers' well-being. We provide a variety of well-being programs, as well as a top-tier hybrid environment. We offer competitive and transparent pay. On the equity side, we are in a strong position.
Last year, in the gender pay gap, we stood at 2.9%, and we are committed to reducing it to 2.5%. With gender balance on managerial positions, we are currently at 40%, and we aim to reach the balance distribution between 40% and 60%. What I want to emphasize is that today, we are proud to have one of the strongest employer brands in Poland.
You spoke about our highly engaged teams. What else will we do to retain and attract the best and the brightest?
We aim to be the employer of choice by building on three strategic pillars. First, ahead of others through our unique culture. mBank culture really is something special. It's so special that we decided to give it a special brand, mCultura, mCulture. This culture is highly attractive to people, as we are a top place for those who want to develop and grow, a top place for people that are willing to take responsibility and take decisions, and finally, a top place for those who practice dialogue and are empathetic towards the clients and each other. The second pillar, ahead of others through best talent. Given the demographic structure you mentioned, Krzysztof, in Poland, it's not only to attract the best, but also to retain them.
In order to retain the best, we are investing in skills, but also making sure that our knowledge is at the forefront of innovation and at the highest standards of industry. We know that best talent naturally requires an appropriate employee experience, reflected in good working conditions and an inclusive environment. The third pillar, digital HR, which is taking decisions based on data. We embrace logic. We base our decisions on data when it comes to remuneration, recruitment, skills, and competencies. We believe that being data-driven, and therefore logic and predictable, creates a secure space for our employees. We also improve our internal processes using AI in all possible use cases. For example, performance, development, recruitment. Three pillars, but all three serve one purpose: to have the best team to deliver on mBank's growth. Thank you.
Thank you, Katarzyna Piwek. Ladies and gentlemen, now that we have discussed the two business lines, technology and human resources, let's move to finance. I would like to invite our Chief Financial Officer, Pascal Ruhland, to the stage. Pascal, welcome. Pascal, how will the strategic goals translate into financial performance? What do they mean in terms of balance sheet volumes, revenues, and costs?
Thank you very much, Karol. It's my pleasure to present to you now our financial frame of the strategy. Let me start with our growth aspirations. Cezary Kocik was saying it at the beginning. We are back in a growing mode. We want to exceed 10% market share in every single one of our core products. That means we need to grow faster than our competitors. What you see here is our loan volume development. In 2024 and in 2025, we have already proven that we are capable of growing faster than the competition. Now the big question is, why do we believe this will continue? My colleagues in the presentations beforehand gave you the answer, because we, as mBank, are set up as an organic growth institution by clients, by our culture, and by our infrastructure.
In retail, we can call our clients the most attractive client group of any bank in Poland, by age, by purchasing power, and by loan demand. To give you one fact, our clients demand for around 25% of the overall mortgage loan market in Poland. This, together with a seamless process, is the foundation for a 12% CAGR. Coming to the corporate side, you know us as sector experts. We are focusing on sectors which are growing faster than the average. Marek and Adam explained to you, now we're following trends, trends like the energy transition, again faster growing. This, plus an additional investment in our lending infrastructure, builds our basis for a 7% CAGR. Let's move now from our loan sides to the deposit side. Here's one thing very visible. The main engine is retail, with a 10% CAGR.
Krzysztof Bratos was in the strategy explaining how we do that. We focus on our clients. We want to remain with them. We want to increase loyalty and grow with them. In corporates, we have a 4% CAGR on an already elevated market share, as we already have in enterprises a market share of around 10%. Now let's have a look at how this turns into our P&L. What you see here is that we expect revenues to grow between 7% and 8% on a CAGR level. What you don't see is that we expect that every single year in our strategy, we will increase our revenues. NRI is fueled by the volumes, which we have shown. We will have a strict focus to maintain discipline in deposit management and will overcome a dropping interest rate environment. Net fees, you see it currently in our P&L, are on a rise.
This is expected to continue. We have a broader product spectrum. We maintain growing with our clients. Obviously, there's one factor where we decided. Our
Data in banking is the external reference rate. We expect the NBP reference rate to drop as early as 2026 to 4%. While I explained that we have an increased balance sheet and the rates are dropping, of course, margins are under pressure. We account for that. We expect the net interest margin to go slightly down step by step to 3.5% by the end of the strategy cycle. Let me tell you one thing: we are well prepared for a dropping interest rate environment. If you look into our delta NRI, we have barely moved since the beginning of the year. A 100 basis points rate cut currently costs us between 6.5% to 7% of total NRI. If you compare that to two years ago, 2023, it's two percentage points less sensitive.
We did our homework from a treasury perspective to stabilize our NRI and increase volumes rent into fixed-rate bonds and also swaps. Now, going from the revenue side to our cost side, what you see is we expect a CAGR of 4% to 5% in the strategy cycle. The main driver is IT-related. Here we increase the spending across all you have heard: digitization, automation, but also AI-related use cases. As we know that you are interested in how we do that, actually, we came up with the idea of the second part of today to show you the client look into our kitchen, the real use cases. I just can encourage you to stay. It's worth it. In 2026, you see a steeper cost curve of 11%. There are two main drivers. The first one is we invest further in our people.
We will grow by FTEs, and also we increase wages. We do that with a smile, as you have heard, because this is everything we can deliver is out of our people. The second topic is regulatory cost increase. We expect that the BFG contribution and also the support fund will increase or normalize, if you want to call it like that. Now, summing it up, you know us as mBank as the most efficient bank in this market. We will maintain that with a cost-to-income ratio of at or below 35%. This brings us in every single year in the top three of the country.
Pascal, allow me to briefly shift to the risk perspective and to our Chief Risk Officer, Marek Lusztyn. What does this strategy mean in terms of expected cost of risk and risk appetite?
That's clearly a question that many of you in the audience ask yourself: how much risk does it take to deliver our strategic objectives?
Let me assure you that we are going to deliver them without changing our risk appetite. Now, let me explain to you how we are going to do it. Our risk excellence is based on three pillars. First of all, we want to grow intelligently. Colleagues from business lines already elaborated on the potential that mBank client franchise has for us in doing so. First of all, on the retail side, Krzysztof explained the demographics of our customer base. That demographics is not only beneficial in terms of our revenue growth, but it's also beneficial in terms of supporting us in lending growth and supporting us in our retail credit risk. Second of all, Adam explained at length the trends that we see in the economy.
Those big shifts are going to be wins that will support us sailing to much higher growth in the corporate space without taking unnecessary risk in the books. Second of all, it's resilience. Over the last five years, mBank has proven that we are an extraordinarily resilient bank, not only by local standards, but with all that we have gone through, we are super resilient by any international standards. We are going to capitalize on that, not only leveraging on excellent liquidity position, but also on our improving capital position that will serve not only as a cushion for safety, but also that, as we have explained at length, that will support us going back into dividend payouts. We have been exposed to the growing regulatory constraints since we are in the regulated industry.
We would like to turn it into our advantage and proactively manage all the regulatory pressures that are coming in the strategy horizon. Finally, on the resilience, we are going to improve our ability to respond to non-financial risks since all those novel risks are the big risks that all the industry is facing. Finally, the third pillar, which is efficiency, our CEO in his introductory speech said that simplification is ultimate sophistication. Krzysztof explained at length what we are going to do using AI tools. In terms of efficiency, we would like our clients to benefit from the simplified, fast credit processes. We will make sure that the credit process greatly contributes to the efficiency of the mBank overall. Finally, this brings me to our strategic goal in terms of the risk management.
We aspire at the cost of risk to be around 80 basis points in the strategy horizon. We are going to achieve this without changes to our risk appetite.
Marek Lusztyn, thank you. Returning to Pascal Ruhland, Marek spoke about the trajectory for cost of risk. You spoke about the trajectory for revenues and costs. What does all of this mean for our capital return strategy?
Yeah, before I'm going into the capital return strategy, I want to remind us all that in Poland, we have the reintroduction of the countercyclical buffer. That means 2 percentage points, 1 this year, 1 next year, which will increase the minimum requirements. While you keep that in mind, I would like to have all your attention now to the bar chart. What you see there is our net profit expected growth rate, so the dividend potential. What we balance there is the reinvestment and the dividend distribution. The basis of it is our high profitability. We aim for exceeding in every single year of the strategy 22% of return on tangible equity. We're really proud to say that we want to be back as a regular dividend payer. We start with 30% and we go up as high as 75%. Of course, we are not working isolated.
Therefore, I want now to speak about what the Minister of Finance has issued on the 21st of August, that the banking taxation would change. Yes, indeed, if you think about that, our net profit will be under pressure. If we simulated for the next year, for 2026, we would talk about an effective tax rate at mBank of around 40%. That is massive. While you let that sink in, please follow me once more. Look at the bar chart. What we show you here, we expect to exceed 6 billion PLN net profit. That should give you a good sense of how resilient the strategy is set up of any external change. Now, going from one strategy, the capital return strategy, to our balance sheet strategy. You know us, especially from an investor perspective, as the bank which is most active in the capital markets. We are pioneers.
We have issued the first AT1. We have issued first the Tier 2. We have made the securitization market in Poland vibrant. Why have we done that? To most efficiently manage also regulatory environments. We are used to leverage the full potential of our balance sheet to stay effective. In this strategy, we will do that. Therefore, we will more than double our issuance volumes. We will be active across the full stack from AT1 to securitizations. While we see a growing mortgage loan book, we will return to covered bonds and make use of it. That's not the only thing which will grow. Our capital today is around 20 billion PLN. In the due course of the strategy, we will double that.
While we carefully also listen to our investors' feedback, to run the bank prudently, to have a strong capital position, we give ourselves the target of at least 2.5 percentage points on CET1 ratio as a capital buffer to show you the strength of our capital position.
Pascal, given the breadth and depth of what you have covered, can I ask you to summarize the strategic priorities for the 2026 through 2030 period?
Of course, that's my pleasure. Our six key financial KPIs for this strategy. First, we are back in a growing mode. We will exceed 10% market share in every single one of our core products. Second, we remain highly profitable and exceed a 22% return on tangible equity in every single year. Third, you know us as one of the most efficient banks in the market, and this will stay like that, with a cost-to-income ratio of at or below 35%. This brings us in the top three in every single year. Fourth, a cost of risk of around 80 basis points shows a prudent credit control. Fifth, with our strong capital position, we maintain a buffer of 2.5 percentage points above the CET1 ratio minimum requirements. Sixth, we will be a regular dividend payer. We will start with 30%, and it will go up as high as 75%.
Thank you, Pascal Ruhland. I would like to invite our President and CEO back to the stage for the closing remarks. Cezary Kocik, the floor is yours.
I'd like to say three of the most important things. First, we have overcome equity constraints, mainly related to Swiss francs. Now, we are ready to go ahead with full speed, gaining market shares. The second one is that we are going to deliver to our shareholders exceptional profitability and efficiency, together with increasing dividend payments. Finally, the demographic structure of our clients and the engagement of our employees makes mBank exceptional. Thank you very much.
Ladies and gentlemen, this fulfills the first of our four agenda points for today. We will now move to the Q&A session. I'll take questions both from the room and from online.
Thank you. Joanna Filipkowska, Cezary Kocik from mBank. Excellent presentation. Thank you very much. I have one question, kind of slightly obvious. You've mentioned the 10% market share increase in loan and deposit. Question to probably the CEO or whoever would like to answer. There's a lot of other banks in the market that have talked about growth prospects in Poland. Just kind of curious, who do you expect to take that market share from?
You know, we are not competing with any specific bank. We're just competing with the whole market. We track very carefully the strategies of our competitors. Just to make you a little bit more sure that it will happen, I can say that we are probably the one bank in the whole Polish market which has grown fully in an organic way. The corporate started with a white paper in 1986 and the retail in 2000. From that time, we're permanently gaining market share, not by acquisition, just pure organic growth. On top of that, what I highlighted in my introduction speech is that before these problems with Swiss francs, because without equity, you can't grow. You are counting risk-weighted assets every day just to be on the safe side.
Prior to that time, before these constraints started to be so severe for our bank, we managed to grow in retail, as I mentioned, 2% in a five-year horizon in retail deposits and loans, and in corporate loans, 1.5%. This is exactly the missing gap which we need to fulfill our strategy and gain 10% market share. It is not just a promise which is not covered by fact, but we proved in the past that we are able to grow with such dynamics. I don't know if it's.
Thank you, Cezary Kocik.
Hi, Krzysztof Kopidowski, Polityka Insight. My question is about the corporate income tax rate. Can you quantify the impact of the higher rate for banks on your strategic goals, specifically on return on tangible equity, net profit, and dividend payouts?
Pascal, I'll direct this one to you.
Yeah. Test.
I gave in the presentation an indication where we will lay if the tax currently, as it was announced on the 21st of August. In 2026, we would assume an effective tax rate of 40%. Let me explain why it's 40% and not the 30% which was in the corporate income tax named. Because we, as a banking sector, have quite significant costs which are not tax deductible. This is the balance sheet cost we are having, but also other regulatory contributions. Therefore, you see an elevation. We are not precisely naming how much impact it would be, but I want to direct you to a few of the colleagues. The analysts did a very good job. If I'm reading the reports that currently come up, this could cost around PLN 800 million to PLN 900 million. We are now taking this 2026 as the most severe. This is a good ballpark figure.
Fantastic. Thank you, Pascal Ruhland. I'll take one question from online. There are numerous questions online. They pertain to our international presence and potential M&A. I'll actually start with Czechia and Slovakia, and Krzysztof, that was with you. Can you summarize again the strategic objectives in terms of growing the Czech and the Slovak business? The next question, Cezary Kocik, to yourself, in terms of the second part of that question, what can investors expect in terms of potential M&A? Are we looking at M&A opportunities? Krzysztof, the floor is yours.
Thank you. I think what we've shown is ambition for Czechia and Slovakia. This is absolutely the organic growth path. In here, we're estimating to have 1 million active clients and doubling our loans and nearly doubling our deposits. The main engine of that growth and the source will be this aligned platform approach that we've mentioned. The numbers you've seen, this is the assumption on the organic growth in Czechia and Slovakia through the corporation in Poland. I'll hand over for the second part to Cezary.
Of course, as a Management Board, we have very carefully observed the market. For all of you who know very well the Polish market, the situation is quite complicated because almost 50% are banks with a significant stake of government. They are also big banks, so they are not potential targets. The rest have very big financial investors. Honestly, I believe that if there are mergers in Poland, they are rather triggered by the agreement between major shareholders, not by the Management Board. We are observing it very carefully. If we believe that something fits to our model, because we also need to remember that some mergers destroy value, we need somebody or a bank with a similar customer profile, a similar distribution channel, that the synergy will come to life, not we will be stuck in a permanent integration. We will take a decision.
As I said, there are many obstacles. It's not very probable. This is the reason why our strategy is based on organic growth, not on mergers and acquisitions.
Thank you, Cezary Kocik. Yes, go ahead.
Hi, Kamil Stolarski, Santander Bank Polska. Congratulations on the strategy, especially of the market gains aims. My question is on the other side of the P&L about the cost in 2026. I wonder if you could share some comments because it seems that the cost will outgrow revenues. How do you justify this in 2026? The other question is about CapEx. Does the strategy involve also higher CapEx? Thank you.
Thank you for the question. I alluded in the presentation that the 11% increase on the cost side is driven especially twofold. First of all, by investing in our people. While we grow in FTE, we are doing that twofold. First of all, business-orientated, IT-orientated, therefore, because we are serving our customers. Secondly, it's also compliance-related. For instance, DORA, as a regulation, demands more from us. That is this one part of the pillar. The second part of the pillar is regulatory costs, which we also expect to increase. That is the second driver. If you, because you alluded to that costs are growing faster than revenues, our expectation is that the interest rate will go down to 4% on the NBP as fast as 2026. You will have to overcome that. We also sent the signal, I said it, that we will grow revenues despite this interest rate drop.
The costs will be adjusted. Long term, you see that our revenues on the 7% to 8% CAGR very much outperform the 4% to 5% CAGR on the cost side. On the CapEx, yes, of course, we will increase our CapEx level because in the future, as the colleagues were explaining it, it's about IT capabilities. How smart can you really apply and how fast to especially increase effectiveness for your clients? It's not about, and we therefore invite you for the second session today, it's not about just applying AI. It really needs to be useful. Our CapEx is expected to grow by more than 16% in the due course of the strategy.
Thank you, Pascal Ruhland. Now, I'll take another question from our online participants. I'll direct it to Krzysztof Dąbrowski. Krzysztof, the question relates to artificial intelligence. Can you give us examples of how AI will translate into operational efficiency? Can it potentially lead to lower costs?
OK. One of the examples of using AI to have some operational efficiency would be what we are doing in the AML area. This is a particular cost area that is growing rapidly because of the requirements that we have to fulfill. A particular concern that we have is the analysis of the customer transactions from the perspective of money laundering. In that area, the costs have been growing so far because we had to build a team and we had to do our obligations. What we've been able to do with the help of AI was to significantly mitigate this growth. What we initially assumed would be the FTEs necessary to just cover the retail transaction monitoring, thanks to our AI solution, we've been able to also cover corporate banking. We have been able to cover international money transfers in SWIFT and also our Czech and Slovak branch.
That was a significant investment and a significant reduction in the effort. This is what we are doing. We are removing the effort from the system. Because the bank is growing very fast, we need also to handle the organic growth. I think the word organic was used many times in our presentation. Our ambitious target is to keep up with this growth without increasing the cost on the operational side. This is how we apply the AI. In many other places, the AI can be used for the things that were so far not easy targets to automate. It's not the best tool to do things in a repeatable manner. If something can be done in a repeatable manner, you can do it with a traditional method and you get predictability.
AI is much more suited, in our opinion, to the things that are not easy, subject to those things. Just to give you an example, comparing two documents, two scans of documents, which for the moment require human beings and can be right now done with the AI. You can expect us investing in this area. This is factoring in our cost base at the moment, so it's an assumption about the productivity gains.
Thank you, Krzysztof Dąbrowski. Pascal Ruhland, I'll take one more question from online. I want to direct it to you. The question relates to what is embedded in our forecasts with respect to GDP and interest rate forecasts and also with respect to the growth expected for total revenues. Can you break it more down into NII and NFC?
OK. The GDP forecast, which I didn't mention specifically, but you will find it in our paper deck, which is uploaded right now, is between 3.6% and 3.8%. We expect to have GDP growth year on year throughout the strategy. As I said, on the interest rate, we expect that the interest rate is dropping down to 4% as early as 2026 and has then a stable state. When we then think about the revenues, here I explained that we are growing from a CAGR level between 7% and 8%. From today's split between NII and NFC, which is an 80/20 split, we expect that net fee and commission income is slightly faster growing than NII, but just slightly. In the end, it will be a bit shifting, the 80/20 split, but not massively.
Thank you, Pascal Ruhland. I'll take one final question from the room here. Is there any? OK. In that case, we conclude with the Q&A session. I pass the voice over to mBank's Head of Investor Relations, Joanna Filipkowska, who will now lead the demo session. Joanna, over to you.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. The purpose of this demo session is to provide you with concrete examples of some of our exciting solutions that we are implementing as part of this strategy. Today, we will show you five use cases in which we already have significant advancement. First, you will see a short video, and then one of our board members will provide further details. The session will last 20 to 25 minutes. After the end of the session, we will again have 10 minutes for Q&A. Please get your questions ready, both here in the room and online. The session will be led by our three board members, Mr. Krzysztof Dąbrowski, Mr. Adam Pers, and Mr. Krzysztof Bratos. We will start with our GenAI program. Krzysztof Dąbrowski, Vice President of the Management Board for IT and Operations, the floor is yours.
I have been talking about three of the solutions that came out of our incubator. We prepared for you a demonstration of those three, plus one more as a bonus. Let's start.
At mBank, the GenAI program is a strategic shift. We are bringing AI where it truly matters. Instead of chasing trends, we focused on solving real problems, responsibly and at scale. We used the program in four key areas. Complaints are now processed faster and more accurately. AI suggests next steps to the employees, searches for similar cases, and provides suggested responses to customer inquiries. Thanks to AI, our analysts can generate precise SQL queries in natural language, helping them locate the exact data they are looking for faster than ever before. AI also analyzes and structures all customer interactions with the bank. This enables us to better understand their needs, improve the standard of our conversations, and enhance the quality of our services. Last but not least, AI empowers employees with instant, comprehensive answers to operational questions, providing precise data sources and reducing search time.
We have built all of it in-house, based on a secure, modular architecture that complies with EU regulations on artificial intelligence. For us, GenAI is more than a trend. Our program is a responsible, measurable transformation of mBank.
OK, I hope you like what you just saw. As I mentioned, this is just the things that we either already have in production or will soon have. We have so much more in the store. Keep watching us.
Thank you very much, Krzysztof. Now, we will turn to our corporate banking. Adam Pers, Vice President of the Management Board for Corporate and Investment Banking, let's start.
Thank you so much. I was talking about the tools that you will see in a second in a movie. There will be three movies. Our ambition is not just to show technology, show you the tools that can bank. I think the word banking, bankovatch, is something like old-fashioned. We like to implement the tools that will help our customers and our employees as well, tools that are in the daily routine, daily operations to help also to build a competitive advantage to our customers. Please enjoy.
Inspired by clients' feedback, we're shaping a smart digital ecosystem that transforms the client bank experience. The client will arrange everything online, quickly, intuitively, and completely paper-free. After logging in, the user will see an intuitive dashboard that can be customized to suit individual needs, preferences, and role within the company. For example, CFOs will have access to different functionalities than accountants. The client can perform all banking operations quickly, conveniently, and fully digitally in one place, from making payments and ordering cards to buying currencies and leasing or factoring services or using e-commerce tools. The liquidity management panel is supported by artificial intelligence. The system will analyze cash flows, forecast shortages and surpluses, detect anomalies, and suggest ways to optimize costs and investments. Daily work will also be supported by an AI assistant that communicates in natural language.
It will offer suggestions, guide users through processes, redirect them to the right place, and even pre-fill data in transfers and applications. Working with the bank has never been easier, one system enabling convenient and comprehensive company support. Every company has its own ambitions, capabilities, and pace of growth. Financing should accelerate business development. That's why at mBank, we tailor it to the needs of different types of clients. For companies requiring simple financing of small amounts, we're introducing innovative, fast, and fully automated digital pathways. Submitting an electronic application via the virtual branch takes just a few steps. Only basic data is needed. The system will analyze it and automatically make a decision. The agreement will be ready for signing immediately. We will conclude it digitally. Once signed, the funds will appear in the account. Our advisors are client-appreciated experts who support them in their daily business operations.
Their experience and knowledge are enhanced by a modern CRM system that enables us to tailor individual solutions to each client's needs. Thanks to the AI assistant, the advisor has access to comprehensive knowledge about the client, their market situation, and the entire sector in which they operate. Clear analyses and reports help better support the client and the growth of their business. In the system, advisors can see the latest client feedback on our cooperation and solutions. These insights help us evolve and address client needs even better. We know our clients because we listen to them. We create customized solutions, giving them a competitive edge in business.
Yeah, I will not repeat what was in the movie, just two closing comments. The first one is that what Krzysztof said, that some of them are already in production. The second thing is that for the time being, we are, I would say, producing only what we receive from customers, the feedback and the expectations. Thank you. Passing it to Krzysztof.
Thank you, Adam. We have shown you two exciting use cases from our technology and corporate banking areas. Now, let's turn to the retail banking area, where we have three use cases to share with you. Krzysztof Bratos, Vice President of the Management Board for Retail Banking, the floor is yours.
Thank you. In our strategy, we plan to evolve from being an exceptional transaction bank. In that, we promise to take care of those more complex products for our clients. While doing so, we want to stay true to our purpose of simplifying finances and bringing goals to life. Merging complex products and simplicity is not that easy, but we took on that challenge. This is how we reimagined the mortgage experience.
At mBank, we believe banking should be simple and effortless. A mortgage in the mobile app is the first step towards even more convenient banking. This solution helps us build stronger relationships with customers at the most important moments of their lives. The app indicates whether customers can pay less with mBank and shows the new installment amount. The application form is short and simple, and completing it takes only a few minutes. Formalities have been reduced to a minimum. We require just a few pieces of information from the customer, while remaining data is retrieved and completed for them, including an automatic credit check and property valuation. The customer merely needs to confirm the details and submit the application. Our experts are available at every stage. Customers can contact them by phone or via video call. To minimize waiting time, data is analyzed automatically, supported by artificial intelligence.
Thanks to this, the credit decision is issued in just 15 minutes. The entire process is transparent, secure, and exceptionally fast, while the app allows customers to check whether they can pay less. For now, they can transfer an existing mortgage, and soon, we will introduce further solutions. Simple, innovative, convenient. Once again, we are setting a new standard in digital banking.
This is definitely not just a vision. It's a solution of which the first stage went live already two weeks ago for one of our scenarios. That 15 minutes that we promised, we've actually managed to issue a full credit decision last week in 6 minutes and 31 seconds. That is including creditworthiness check, legal checks, and evaluation of the property for the real client in real life. Most stages will follow. Now, moving to the second video, we believe that transitioning and taking care of the more complex scenarios doesn't mean that we'll forget about what is core. In there, not everything is simplified, and not everything yet is made truly, truly easy. Here is what we took on in one of our super segments, an SME, something that probably doesn't exist on the market yet.
Taking payments is the heartbeat for business. That's why we've created an intuitive and secure solution in the mBank app that turns your entrepreneur's phone into a mobile payment terminal, anywhere, without additional devices. Transactions take only a moment. Buyers can make contactless payments conveniently using their preferred method. From payment history to downloadable confirmations, the tool has all the key features. Accepting payments has never been easier. One app, one device, always within reach.
Finally, the very heart of mobile banking, let the video speak for itself.
Let's start by taking a quick trip back to last year and look at your trip to Barcelona. With just a short chat with the assistant, setting the budget for your next trip to Paris is easy. Do you want the assistant to suggest a plan for you? Great, I'm waiting for your suggestion.
Give me a moment, and I'll put together a plan. All set. A trip to Paris might be a bit more expensive than the one to Barcelona, but I think I know how to handle it.
First, it will suggest creating a savings goal for the trip. It will review your spending and encourage you to set limits in the categories where saving is easiest. With conversational banking, you just talk to the assistant, and together you can quickly plan how to save the money you need for your trip. What else can the AI assistant do? It can open the best term deposit, send pocket money to your kids, explain how to increase your retirement savings, tell you how much you earned on your investments, change your card limits, make the interface easier to read, and turn on dark mode. Conversational banking right in your pocket, starting in 2026.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Krzysztof. Ladies and gentlemen, this completes this demo session. At this point, I would like to open the Q&A session, which will be hosted again by Karol Prażmo.
Thank you, Joanna. We are opening up to the questions. Please get those questions ready, and please put your hands up. While you do that, I'll actually start with the first question from one of our online users, Krzysztof Bratos. The question is directed to you. In terms of the digital mortgage, is this for one borrower? Is this for several borrowers? If it's not available for several borrowers, when do you think that functionality will be available?
OK, I think there are digital mortgages, and there are digital mortgages. There are companies that will create a mobile interface that will allow you to file a mortgage application, and that can be called digitally. We went a different path. We decided that in order to keep our efficiency operations and our costs, we invested firstly heavily in our backbone, in AI-supported valuation models for the real estate, the automated legal checks, the automated creditworthiness. This is something that took us quite a while to build. Thanks to that, as I said, we can do that now in 6 minutes and 31 seconds. We are now expanding and building on that foundation to more and more scenarios. The scenario that we went live with is just the refinancing for the ones for the single borrower.
Still this year, we're planning to add the new mortgages for the single borrower, and the more complex scenarios like the more than one borrower are planned for 2026. I would say most of the agenda we should explore and most of the key scenarios in the next year to come. The foundation is there, and the first scenario is there, and it's fully operational.
Thank you, Krzysztof Bratos. Do I see any hands up in the room with respect to questions? I'll take another question from online. Krzysztof Bratos, in terms of the phone acting as a payment terminal, is this already available to everybody today?
No, but it will be, and it will still be as early as this year. We are sure that it's going to change the experience of a lot of our customers. When building and when thinking about this solution, the first idea actually was to try to embed our app and connect our app to the external point-of-sale devices or software point-of-sale devices, because those do exist on the market. We thought, while integrating, why wouldn't we turn our app into something that is a true point of sale in a one go with a fully integration of our accounting system? Therefore, this is something that we believe is very, very new. It's in a very advanced stage of development and is expected still this year.
Thank you, Krzysztof. Are there any questions here in the room? OK. In that case, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's event. We thank you very much for joining us here in the room. We also thank you very much for joining us online. For the participants here in the room, we invite you to lunch. Our board members will be available for another hour. Please take the opportunity to have all those informal conversations. Thank you, and have a great day.