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Morgan Stanley’s Technology, Media & Telecom Conference 2024

Mar 4, 2024

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today. My name's Elizabeth Porter. I'm on the software team over at Morgan Stanley, and I'm very pleased to have with us today HubSpot CEO Yamini Rangan. We are going to take audience Q&A, so there's going to be mics going around at the end. Before we start, for important disclosures, please see the Morgan Stanley Research Disclosure website at www.morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. With that, Yamini, thank you so much for joining us today.

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Elizabeth, so great to be here. Thank you for having us.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Awesome, thank you. Just to start it off, I'd love to get your views on the macro demand backdrop. In Q4, you saw customer adds reaccelerate to all-time highs. Meanwhile, at the high end of the market, you also noted some buyer urgency, which is a term that we just haven't quite heard too often in software. I'd love to hear how you're seeing demand unfold, any sort of differences between your larger and smaller customers, and just some initial observations to start 2024.

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, that's a great question. Obviously, we're very happy and thrilled with the results in Q4, specifically in terms of the 11,000 net adds that we saw. Having said that, we are still in a very, very choppy environment. You know, if you step back and think about some of the customer trends in the second half of 2023, which is deals taking longer, more people that are involved in, you know, the deal decision-making, decision-making happens by committee with the CFO or board involved, and budget scrutiny, I think those kinds of, you know, customer patterns in terms of buying are still continuing. So we're going to assume that 2024 is similar to what we saw in 2023. Now, you pointed to another thing, which is we saw some larger deal, you know, execution as well.

That was the comment that we made that towards the end of Q4, especially in December, we saw some buyer urgency, and that was related to larger deals. If you kind of break it down, it is, you know, they want to be able to reduce their total cost of ownership while increasing the visibility that they have towards their growth initiatives. Those two kind of played a part in terms of larger deal momentum. As we think about, you know, the broader macro, and for us, you know, within companies, macro comes back to how are customers buying. Customers are buying cautiously, and the customers, you know, continue to be, like, focused on driving fast time to value and great visibility into growth initiatives. So we're going to assume that we're in a similar environment like 2023.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. I want to focus a little bit on the lower end of the customers first. You've seen this great acceleration in your Starter-tier customers. Because of that, your average subscription revenue per customer, just from a mix-shift perspective, does tend to get a little bit pressured. In fiscal 2024, the guidance is for that average subscription revenue per customer to decline a little bit year- over- year. If I look back historically, your ASRPC has kind of formed these waves of peaks and troughs. So my question is, is 2024 reflective of one of those troughs? What's the opportunity, as we look ahead, to get back to that high single-digit growth rate that we saw in prior peaks around the fiscal 2021-2022 timeframe?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, it's a great question. I think ASRPC net ads, they're definitely important metrics for you to, like, look at the company. We think of those as output metrics. Really, the input is the strategy that we have. Our strategy is to deliver, you know, an easy-to-buy, easy-to-use product that can, you know, get us to be the platform of choice within the mid-market opportunity. The opportunity is massive. It's an $80 billion market. We're very, very early stages of, you know, this market, and it's going to continue to grow. Whether the environment remains choppy or not, if you look at the next 5-10-year period, it is going to grow. From our strategy perspective, we want to reduce friction for our customers, and we want to acquire customers, and we want to continue to help them upgrade.

That's what you're seeing at play. Last year, a lot of optimization from a pricing perspective. I'm sure you'll ask us about, you know, our pricing changes. But we want to drive customer adoption and acquisition so we can accelerate our market share gains. That's the phase that we are in in terms of the opportunity. One thing to point out is that if you strip out, you know, Starter, which is the question that you started with, and you look at Pro and Enterprise edition customers, there the ASRPC growth last year was great, and I think we'll continue to see that type of growth. But broadly speaking, we are driving acquisition of customers and accelerating our market share gains.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. I'll get to pricing in just a minute. But first, I want to hit on that Pro and Enterprise side. You know, particularly, you've been investing a lot in building out the portfolio and the functionality to address these larger customers. So what features have really stood out most to be able to attract some of these larger deals? And importantly, how has penetration evolved into your upper end of the target segment?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, it's a good, you know, very pointed question, Elizabeth. If you look at our segment, we focus on companies with 1,000-2,000 employees. And, you know, over 200 employees is what we call as, you know, corporate segment or enterprise segment. And over the past, you know, 3-5 years, we have consistently gone back to that customer segment. And we've asked for, you know, what kinds of features, what more sophistication do they need to adopt us as the customer platform? And you have seen us double down on the pace of product innovation. And so, you know, if we go to those customers, they'll say the first thing that they like about us is that we are increasing the pace of innovation. It's not even a feature.

It's the fact that we listen to our customers, we build that into the product, and we are rapidly innovating on their behalf. In addition to that, I think over the past three years, again, we've made our CRM much more customizable. We have made our CRM much more extensible. We now have over 2,000 integrations, so it's easier to bring data into the CRM platform. And all of those, in addition to the level of granularity of permissioning that we provide to upmarket customers, have increased the sophistication, you know, within that segment from a product perspective. I think I'd particularly call on Sales Hub, and that's probably a pattern that you should expect out of us. With Sales Hub, we went to our upmarket customers, we looked at what kinds of features and, you know, abilities they need to grow their sales organizations, and we have invested.

Last year, INBOUND, we relaunched our Sales Hub. Prospecting has been just an interesting, you know, area where we provided a use case and a workspace to be able to drive better prospecting. A lot of, you know, customers, it resonates with them, and we've seen that adoption. It's not one feature. It is just the focus on listening to upmarket customers and increasing the pace of innovation so we become a better fit for them.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. And on that Sales Hub, you mentioned post the relaunch, it's been wildly successful. It's really become kind of the second pillar alongside marketing. And you've also been making a lot of investments around Service Hub in recent years. How can Service Hub start to follow the roadmap that was laid out by Sales Hub? Is there anything that needs to be added from kind of a product standpoint? How can we get Service Hub kind of to be the next Sales Hub?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, I think following the same playbook. I think, you know, you're really pointing out how we're broadly thinking about it. We have Marketing Hub and Sales Hub. Those two are now established front doors into HubSpot. And our customers, when they start with HubSpot, they either start with marketing or sales or multi-hub, and that's become legitimate. We now have three additional hubs: Service Hub, CMS, and Ops Hub. They're all $100 million and growing. And we think that each of those can follow the playbook that we have established with Sales Hub. And then we've made bets in data as well as commerce that provides yet another lever for growth. And those are seeds in the early stages for longer-term durable growth. Now, when you look at, you know, Service Hub, we're going to use the same playbook. We are talking to customers.

We are understanding what it takes for us to become upmarket-ready in terms of Service Hub, and we are increasing the pace of innovation from a Service Hub perspective. Last year, in 2023, we invested pretty significantly in Service Hub Pro. The kinds of features that we launched within Service Hub Pro improved the ability for our customers to do better SLA management, to drive a much more modern help desk with omnichannel support. That we're really happy with the kind of user adoption that we're seeing. Then this year, the playbook is kind of following what Sales Hub, you know, did in terms of driving more sophisticated use cases and features for upmarket customers that can then, you know, drive, you know, Service Hub adoption. There's probably a couple other things in terms of Service Hub adoption. One is the opportunity that GenAI presents, right?

Generative AI, one of the best kind of use cases and early use cases in front office has been service, the ability to take some of your most frequently asked questions and automate that through AI, the ability to summarize calls and be able to get back with resolutions faster. And so we're investing pretty heavily with generative AI features for our Service Hub so we can, you know, leapfrog there. And then, in addition to that, Service Hub becomes part of the platform. You know, our customers don't come to us and say, "We want to buy a Hub at a time." They actually buy us because all of this is in a single customer record, and the value proposition is having Service with Sales, with Marketing, with Ops in a single customer platform.

I think they all provide a really nice path for service to continue to grow.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. And definitely want to get to pricing. So you revamped the pricing model this year, and you moved to more of a seat-based model across all the hubs. So what was the strategic rationale for doing this pricing change now, and what opportunities does it open for HubSpot?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, this has been a couple of years in the making, and I would maybe double down on the strategic rationale. You know, HubSpot's value proposition is very clear within our customers. We are easy to buy, we're easy to use, and we are easy to scale. And we went to our customers a couple of years ago, and we said, "What can we do to increase this value proposition even more?" A different question is, "How can we double down and make it even easier to buy?" That was the question that we asked our, you know, customers. And the answer led us to the pricing changes. The first thing they said is, "We don't want the seat minimums because it's a point of friction to go from Free to Starter is having a seat minimum." So we said, "We'll remove the seat minimum," which is good.

Then the second thing they said is, "There's another point of friction to go from Starter tier to Pro because, again, for the Pro tier, you have 5 seats minimum. And then for the Enterprise tier , you have 10 seats minimum, and the price is a big jump." So we said, "Great, we're going to remove that friction point by lowering the price per seat and taking out the seat minimums." And both of those are exceptionally customer-friendly. So the question you should be asking is, "Are you decreasing price? Like, why are you doing this?" The answer is that we are going to get healthier customer cohorts as we go forward. Of course, initially, the volume of Starter and Pro customers is going to increase, and we saw that in the pilot that we ran last year.

We've been running a pilot for about 10 months, and we saw that increase in portals, both in Starter and Pro. But the other real benefit of the pricing change is that people are buying exactly what they need, which means there are far fewer downgrades, and there are a lot more upgrades. And so it creates a much healthier cohort of customers that we can drive value as we go forward. And then the third thing, probably an important strategic rationale to point out, is we asked our customers, "Where are you getting a lot of value?" And they said, "Well, we're getting a ton of value from your Smart CRM. It is the unified place to get all of the customer information, and we can customize it, we can extend it, we can add to it, and there's a ton of value.

And by the way, you should monetize it." They actually came to us and said that there's a lot of value there, which is why we are monetizing that Smart CRM as part of the core seat. And so, again, you know, this year, you'll see it in volume, but going forward, it helps us have healthier customer cohorts that will upgrade and pay exactly when they need it.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. As we move to more of the business model that's tied to these seats, kind of moving away from the seat minimums, how did you guys think through any sort of risk around macro or AI specifically on seat-based models and anything that you have to offset this?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, I do think removing seat-based minimums actually reduces the risk of any seat-based model, right? A lot of times, people will just say, "You got to buy X number of seats in order for you to, like, you know, get in the door, and we are reducing that." So it's lowering risk. But probably the more deeper question you're asking is, you know, you're going to a seat-based model. If the number of seats decreases, then what happens to your overall business model? I would say that still, AI is in, like, super early stages. There's a lot more, you know, we have to do in terms of driving adoption. If you take Sales Hub specifically and you take, you know, why people buy Sales Hub or any sales automation product, it is to improve productivity. And that is to improve growth within companies.

And in fact, if AI is able to unlock levers of productivity, people are actually going to buy more, and they're going to grow more, right? In sales, you'll never go to a, you know, organization unless it's in the really bad macro where people are, like, saying, "Oh, I want to reduce the number of salespeople every year into eternity." There'll always be, "How do I get my salespeople to be productive and drive growth?" That's the question. So I think the seats model actually works. If you're buying the minimum seats and you continue to expand, sales will continue to expand. That might not be the case in Service Hub. And there potentially is a place where there's a lot more automation that happens within service. And if that's the case, then we will find, you know, a lever to be able to monetize.

If we are adding a lot of value in service that helps people become even more efficient there, then we'll add, like, a lever in terms of pricing. More fundamentally, we think that this year is all about driving AI value and usage and getting customers to adopt AI. As we learn more, I think our monetization is going to evolve with it.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Keeping on this AI thread, you guys were very quick to market announcing your HubSpot AI at the 2023 INBOUND. Why is HubSpot positioned to win kind of uniquely in AI, and how are you guys really differentiating your approach?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, yeah. I mean, last year was like mad rush. Everybody, you know, off with their roadmaps and adding features. I do think that there are some fundamental differentiators for HubSpot. The first thing is we're in the flow of work. You know, if you look at AI, you know, feature adoption, tool adoption, people are not just buying, you know, 10-point solutions of AI. You know, generating a blog content, being able to, you know, change the mix in terms of your social campaigns. You don't need five different AI tools to do it. You need a tool that works in the flow of work. And that's exactly the differentiator for HubSpot. We have embedded AI features into the flow of what a marketing manager does on a daily basis.

We have embedded AI features into what a sales manager or a sales rep is doing on a daily basis to summarize calls and get out notes to customers to get, like, better context. We are providing the same kinds of, you know, tools, right, for the service agents. So AI being in the flow of work instead of a point solution separately or yet another, you know, tab that you have to go to is a huge differentiator. The second thing is data. You know, data as a currency for AI is not a new concept. The more data you have and the more, you know, insights you can drive in terms of fine-tuning your AI model. We have 200,000 customers every day using our products.

And so the ability to take that data and layer it on top of any large language model and fine-tune it to the context of a particular, you know, company and their interactions is really valuable. And I think that's a huge differentiator. And, you know, third, I would say is just the human loop. The faster you can get features in front of customers and get feedback, the faster you can iterate and the faster you'll have differentiated features versus table stakes features. And I think that's that kind of, like, a loop of getting feedback from customers is just really well managed within HubSpot. And so all of those really drive much more differentiation from our AI strategy.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great.

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

But it's still early days.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yes, still very early days.

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Very early.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

You know, also another one that, you know, may be a little bit early is payments and Commerce Hub. And you guys have always been really great about listening to the pain points of your customers, and payments was one of those. And your 2023 analyst day, you also introduced Commerce Hub as just a separate hub altogether, integrating payments really into the ecosystem. What I think about the landscape, it is pretty competitive across companies offering different payment solutions. So how has traction kind of with HubSpot Commerce and payments been? You know, why are you positioned to win, and what are your expectations for kind of longer-term growth within this market?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, I think all great questions. And I'll go back to where you started, which is we, you know, go to customers and ask them what the pain points are, and that's what feeds into our R&D roadmap. And when we went to customers and specifically asked about their payments and commerce, two things that they wanted from us. One is they wanted to make that last mile of closing a customer deal to actually invoicing, getting, you know, the invoice out to their finance teams, getting the payment, and getting that transaction information. That whole last mile of the transaction, they wanted that to be much easier. And then the second thing they said is having transaction-level information makes their CRM much better. Why? Because you can run much better, you know, marketing campaigns with that context.

You can have a much better sales conversation knowing which product was paid for, when did they buy that product, and how much, you know, how deep is the product adoption. You have that context for sales. And then the same thing for support, knowing which product was bought, when it was bought, and how much paid really helps the support conversation. So the fundamental pieces for us is not a standalone payments product that competes with other standalone payments products. It is actually having a commerce engine that brings commerce data and customer data into a singular platform, which is our customer platform. So, you know, the way we think about it, it's not like a standalone competitive product. It is it's enriching the value of the customer platform that we drive. And, you know, at INBOUND, we did, you know, call this as a hub.

Specifically, we announced a few features, one being, you know, bring the ability to bring your own processor . One of the things that we have found in the last couple of years is that, you know, if they don't have a processor, they start with HubSpot. But if they have another processor, it's much easier for them to bring the processor. And so we launched Bring Your Own Processor , being able to drive native invoicing, much better accounting integrations. Those are the kinds of things that we launched, and we're seeing really good adoption and traction. I think, you know, we shared some of the stats. The things that we care about are are more customers signing for payments and are they processing more of their commerce through HubSpot. And both of these have seen more than a 2x growth over the last year, so we're pleased.

At the same time, you know, you should think about HubSpot, you know, as having a portfolio of bets, not just one, you know, product. The, you know, Marketing and Sales Hub are engines, front doors, you know, really seeing traction. Then we have a set of, you know, 100 million-plus hubs that can take on that path, and those bets are working. Then we have, you know, Commerce, still earlier stage, but we see a lot of opportunity for us. So it's a portfolio of bets over multiple horizons that drive, you know, our confidence in having long-term, durable growth in the market that we have.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. And this portfolio that you've built has largely been done all through organic R&D investment. But you have used tech tuck-ins very opportunistically. And one of the most recent ones of that was Clearbit in Q4. So could you just help us understand what's the near-term and longer-term strategy of integrating Clearbit into the HubSpot platform, and how material of an upsell could this be as you go in and bring this data to your existing customer base?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, absolutely. And again, going back to how we start with any of these decisions is asking customers, you know, where can we help them grow faster? And when we went to our customers and we said, "Where can we help you grow faster?" One of the areas they pointed to is data. Having, you know, data about companies that they can prospecting, having data about the intent of customers that are visiting with their website or engaging in social, having data about, you know, contacts within those companies that, you know, are, again, you know, driving decisions. All of those are just important for our customers, which is why, you know, we did this acquisition. Now, it's slightly different. It's not, you know, an application that we are buying. We're actually getting a data asset so we can natively build that data into our customer platform.

The power of enriched data plus, you know, artificial intelligence that can work on top of that enriched data that can drive better, you know, growth initiatives for our customers and accelerate our vision is what we were going for. Now, you specifically asked, "So how do you see it play out in the near term?" We completed the integration. The teams are up and running. You know, we just launched a set of cross-sell initiatives just this quarter, and the early, you know, traction is good. You know, customers like the fact that we can bring the data into the CRM to help them, you know, drive campaigns and leads faster. So I think the initial value proposition is resonating within the market.

And the initial phase is just going to be cross-selling, taking, you know, the Clearbit data for company and intent information and being able to provide that within the installed base. I think the medium-term and longer-term opportunity is we're going to take it and natively build it. You know, anytime we have made acquisitions like this before, and we did PieSync, we took PieSync, and we then, you know, built up Ops Hub. And Ops Hub feels very cohesive to Marketing Hub and Sales Hub. And that's the same approach that we'll take. We'll take, you know, the data asset and natively build it into HubSpot so that from a customer experience perspective, it's seamless, it's cohesive, and it's one, you know, place where they have data, AI, and the customer platform for them to be able to grow.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. And we're going to open up to questions, and after I ask one or two more. So, Mike Brennan , I wanted to switch a little bit to the financial side. HubSpot, like many other software companies, did see net revenue retention rates pressured just as companies were doing less upgrades, hiring fewer people. You know, despite that pressure, your gross retention rates really held in well despite some of the concerns that we had around SMBs. So what are your expectations for how NRR could evolve through 2024? And can some of the early signs of stabilization that we're seeing now do any sort of foreshadowing to improvement later in the year?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, it's a great question. I think, you know, anytime we think about revenue retention, we break it down into the base foundational components of revenue retention. There are three, right? You have the customer dollar retention, which is, you know, people staying with us. Then the second part of it is, you know, downgrades or is there downgrade pressure? Then the third part of it is upgrades or continuing are people continuing to upgrade? I think what we are seeing within our customer base is that the value proposition of a single platform that is easy to buy, easy to use is resonating, which is what translates into stable customer dollar retention. We've started seeing that in 2023, and we are comfortable with, you know, how we are retaining customers going into 2024. The second bucket of it is downgrades.

This is where we saw a lot of headwinds, you know, in 2023, you know, seats downgrades, edition downgrades , contact tier downgrades . Our customers were right in the middle of, you know, optimizing their budgets and optimizing their spend. That is why we saw a lot of those headwinds. I won't say that the headwinds are completely gone, but there are, you know, probably less vigorous headwinds than we saw in 2023. We're seeing some improvement in stabilization within seats. We are seeing some, you know, stabilization within editions. But the headwinds, if they were, you know, gusting and blowing at like 100 miles an hour, it's more like 20 miles an hour now, which is great. The next thing that we want to be able to see is upgrades.

You know, people stay with you, people downgrade less, but then we also want, you know, customers to be able to upgrade more. And we saw pressure last year, and we continue to see pressure there this year. And so at some point, you know, we'll begin to see our customers not only not downgrading, but also upgrading at a faster pace. And when that happens, then we'll have uplift in terms of revenue retention. We're doing everything from a company perspective. One of the biggest initiatives for 2024, we're calling it internally as the year of usage. And we're driving our product organization as well as the go-to-market organization to really focus on driving usage for our customers. Because when customers use our product and they get value out of the product, they're going to stay longer, they're going to downgrade less, and they're going to upgrade hopefully more.

We're focused internally on, you know, driving value to our customers this year.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. And one more question before I turn it over to the audience questions. Overall revenue guidance for about 18% constant currency in fiscal 2024 definitely appears achievable, just considering the momentum that you had exiting 2023. And kind of with this expectation for retention rates to stay kind of around the current levels today, that implies from a new customer perspective that new customers contribute around 14 points of growth, which is down from some of the prior years. The last two was closer to low 20s. So what trends are you seeing specifically from the new customer demand side? You know, and are there any changes in trend that would drive contribution from new customers kind of higher or lower than what you've seen before?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, I think, you know, maybe the previous question you had and this are kind of interrelated, right? If you look at, you know, how we broadly think about it, we can increase new customer adoption, and then we can get our current install base to continue to retain longer and buy more with us, which is what we talked about, you know, when we covered revenue retention. I do think this is going to be a year where we can expand our customer acquisition. You know, we saw that even before the pricing changes that we made, but, you know, our value proposition for the lower end of the market of having something super easy to buy, onboard, begin to get value is resonating.

And so we've seen a steady increase in the size of the customer cohorts we bring in every quarter, leading to that 11,000 net adds, which was a record for us in Q4. And I think with all of that foundational work and in addition, the pricing changes that we did this year, you're going to see higher, you know, volumes of customers both for Starter as well as Pro, and that will continue. Now, the good news is that once customers are on HubSpot, they see the value, they continue to stay longer with us, and they continue to grow with us. And if you strip out the Starter and you just look at Pro and Enterprise, the growth, you know, of value as well as how much we are able to, you know, get them to upgrade has improved.

I think, you know, we have a longer-term way of kind of continuing to improve the value of customers. Pricing model change plus a lot of the foundational that we have done to just make the value proposition really stick for that customer segment is what gives us confidence in terms of driving customer acquisition as well as accelerating our market share gains.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Awesome. Great. Do we have any questions from the audience?

Good thing I still have.

There's one.

Oh, right there.

Yep.

Michael Clifford
Portfolio Manager and Research Analyst, Baron Capital

Thank you. Yamini and Mike Clifford from Baron Capital. I wanted to ask on AI and data on it sounded like you were saying that you have the ability to train your models on all of your customer data that maybe allow individual customers to fine-tune it. One, is that right? And if I got that wrong, if you could kind of say what the rights you have to your data generally to train models and then specifically for customers. And the other thing is, you know, Salesforce talks a lot about data cloud. You talked about Smart CRM. You may be doing other things. I'm curious of what you're doing with, you know, helping your customers organize their data and how you're feeding it back to them to provide more value in the platform.

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah.

Michael Clifford
Portfolio Manager and Research Analyst, Baron Capital

Thank you.

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, thank you, Michael, for both of those questions. On the first question, you know, how do we use the data? I think first of all, we start with flexibility and giving controls to our customers. So our customer has the ability to opt out of any of their prompts going back to LLM providers. So they have that ability to do that. They also have the ability to, you know, opt out of any kind of, you know, fine-tuning that we do with the broader data. So if they don't opt out, then, you know, there's the base layer of, you know, foundation models that we hook into. And then second, we can take the data across 200,000 customers. For example, a simple example is what is the time when you post a blog that you get the most engagement?

That's data that we currently do, and we have shared benchmarks like this for years, even before AI, to say the best time to post a blog is X or the best heading or title for a blog is Y. We've always had that in the terms. You know, now customers have the ability to opt out of it, but that is there. I think the next stage of it, we haven't seen a lot of our, you know, SMB customers really talk to us about this, but we couldn't have fine-tuning just based on one customer. Our customers are too small for them to, like, request for that specifically. So, you know, I think that answers the first part of the question. Sorry, remind me on the second part, which was. That's right.

So I think that, you know, I certainly, you know, like you all listen to the earnings call of, you know, a lot of the tech providers. And I think data is the currency, and our Smart CRM is that unified record. And again, you know, you should take our market, which is the 1,000-2,000 space, you know, that is the market that we are focused on, which is very different from enterprise market where you have like 100,000 employees and the data is spread out. The fact that our customers are choosing us as a customer platform gives them, you know, a leg up in terms of AI because data is not spread out across everything. And we haven't, like, you know, cobbled together a bunch of acquisitions for data to be fragmented and spread out.

Inherently, there is an advantage of having data within one common unified record. We have made that Smart CRM layer even more powerful over the past couple of years by the ability to, you know, customize and extend and integrate there. Our customers don't have a huge issue in terms of, like, starting with cleaning up the data. You know, I think there's a difference in the segment that we operate in as well.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Anyone? So going back to AI, you know, the promise of AI just generating a lot of productivity gains for your customers. You know, how are you adopting your own solutions internally to drive productivity gains at HubSpot?

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Yeah, a lot. And, you know, it's interesting. I talk to a lot of customers, customers where someone in their executive suite goes down to the team and says, "You got to be using this. I need a roadmap." Those customers are far ahead than customers who are just, you know, more generally letting their teams experiment. And so we fall ourselves into that first camp. You know, as soon as we started launching products, we also went to our internal marketing, sales, and service teams to ask them to experiment, play with, and then drive value from, you know, AI. And I would say not dissimilar to the patterns that we see with our customers, marketing is the biggest use case. We started using, you know, content generation. We started using web bots for marketing to be able to answer, you know, basic questions on our website.

Our marketing team has, you know, done a phenomenal job of leveraging a lot of this technology, more so to, one, become more creative and drive a lot more efficiency. That's what is happening from a marketing perspective. The second area that we've experimented with and now are beginning to get value is on service. What we have found is that the, you know, the simplest, most repetitive 10% of the questions within, you know, the service is now being answered by AI. You know, that's been, you know, consistent, you know, kind of, you know, we've seen that execute over the past few months. What that has allowed our support agents to do is to improve the SLA and improve, you know, kind of the resolution times and get to better answers to our customers. That's getting started.

Like, I think we're beginning to see them take more complex questions and therefore, you know, focus on delivering better SLAs. I think we'll have better results soon. And then the third area, of course, is guided selling. Our sales reps are using it to summarize calls to be able to drive the best next action for our customers and have better conversations. And, you know, that's, again, an area that we're beginning to see improvements in productivity. It's a little too early to say, just like everybody else, but three areas where we are consistently seeing our teams begin to use AI.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Yep. Sounds like you guys are really drinking your own champagne as it relates to the AI technology.

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Definitely.

Elizabeth Porter
Executive Director and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Well, thank you so much for joining us today. We're really excited to see everything that comes next.

Yamini Rangan
CEO, HubSpot

Thank you so much, Elizabeth, and thank you all for the support.

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