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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Jan 24, 2023

Moderator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the SmartFinancial, Inc. earning release and conference call. My name is Glenn. I will be the moderator for today's call. If you'd like to ask a question during the presentation, you may do so by pressing star 1 on phone keypad. I will now hand you off to your host, Miller Welborn, to begin. Miller, please go ahead.

Miller Welborn
Chairman, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Glenn. Good morning to all of you, we appreciate you joining us today for our Q4 2022 earnings call. We're excited to be on the call this morning to visit with each of you about our bank. We continue to make great progress on all fronts, execute better every quarter, and deliver quality shareholder returns. We thank you for the interest that you all have in our progress, it's important for us to hear your questions, comments, and feedback. Joining me on the call today are Billy Carroll, our President and CEO, Ron Gorczynski, our CFO, Rhett Jordan, our CCO, and Nate Strall, our Director of Corporate Strategy. Before we get started, I'd like to ask each of you to please refer to page 2 of our deck that we filed yesterday evening for the normal and customary disclaimers and forward-looking statements comments.

Please take a minute to review these. Q4 was a fantastic quarter for our company. We're very proud of what we were able to accomplish for the quarter and for the entire year. Our year-over-year increase in earnings for the bank was strong. I also believe we executed much better than most of our competition for the quarter. I'm proud of the team for the focus and continued improvements we made during 2022. With that, I'm gonna turn it over to Billy.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Miller. Good morning, everyone. This quarter was a great way to close out the year. As you'll see from the results, we continue to focus on growing both revenue and earnings per share. We had discussed their plan for 2022 on prior calls, and these results show how we are executing on transitioning this company into one that has a very solid core foundation and earnings stream. I'll open my comments referencing our 2022 year-end review slide on page 3 today. This slide details the results of the work our team has been doing. Looking at the compound annual growth rate of these key areas shows why we have been and believe will continue to be a great company to invest in. Looking at our Q4 performance on Slide four, you'll see very nice trends in our areas of key performance.

We had great operating EPS for the quarter of $0.76. Ron's gonna dive into those details more in a minute. We had nice expense control coupled with another record revenue quarter. Our loan growth continued to be outstanding, coming in at 17% annualized for Q4. There was a slight contraction in deposits as we let some rate-sensitive non-core balances roll out of the bank as some competitors pushed rates higher than we wanted. We felt like there was no real spread advantage in keeping those deposits. We did, however, defend our rate-sensitive core balances. Ron will discuss our betas in more detail. We felt good where we ended the quarter on funding and related costs. Holding our loan-to-deposit ratio at 79% has allowed us to be selective on where we're increasing those funding costs.

Our efficiency ratio trends are again positive, coming in at 61%. I would also like to note the momentum in our non-interest income, especially given the drop in mortgage revenue. We're excited to see growth in many areas of these lines, including treasury fees, wealth, insurance, and capital markets. Credit remains outstanding with NPAs holding steady quarter-to-quarter at 10 basis points. Their ROA and ROE were solid at 1.10% and 16.5% respectively. The next couple of slides detail our markets. I'm not gonna spend a lot of time here other than to say we were able to open our Franklin Brentwood, Tennessee office, allowing us to continue our expansion into the Nashville MSA. All of our markets continue to show steadiness. Our company, like others, continues to watch the economy closely as rising rates will slow some areas.

We continue to be cautiously optimistic even with elevated rates. I'll speak more to our outlook in my closing comments, but now let me flip it over to Rhett and let him go into a little bit more detail on lending and credit. Rhett?

Rhett Jordan
Chief Credit Officer, SmartFinancial

Thank you, Billy. As Billy mentioned earlier, solid loan growth continued throughout the year as we ended 2022 with quarter-over-quarter net organic loan and lease growth at a 17% annualized pace excluding PPP loans. For the full 2022 year, the bank saw total loans and leases outstanding grow a little under 20% over year-end 2021, with diversification in the types of loans generated as well as solid geographic dispersion of that growth. As you can see on Slide seven, loan and lease balances outstanding grew over $130 million for the fourth quarter, putting the portfolio total just over $3.2 billion. The loan portfolio mix has continued to be stable as well, and average loan yields continued to rise through the latter half of the year.

Improved interest rates on new loan production and renewals as the year progressed generated gradual increases in portfolio yield, with our largest increase happening in Q4, pushing that average yield up 46 basis points quarter-over-quarter, just over 5%. We finished the year on a continued strong trend as December monthly origination average yields were over 6%. Slide eight shows a balanced and diversified commercial real estate portfolio as well. Our largest segment concentration is in the hospitality sector, driven primarily by positions in our bank's strong tourism markets in East Tennessee and the Florida Panhandle market areas.

We feel very comfortable with our positioning in the CRE space, and we believe the risk profile of our finance projects, historically conservative underwriting methodology, and the market experience of our clientele in the space has us poised to sustain a minor correction in the sector with very little disruption in performance should such an event occur. While national economic forecasts still indicate a higher probability of recessionary pressure nationally for 2020 through 2023, we believe the continued population growth and corporate relocation trends happening in our footprint will serve to minimize the impacts of those pressures across our bank's market area compared to other parts of the country.

Even with this relative optimism in our market condition outlook, like many others in the industry, we took some additional steps to implement even more precaution than normal in our credit underwriting procedures throughout 2022 in efforts to more aggressively battle potential impacts of a challenging interest rate environment, continued supply chain disruption and sociopolitical challenges on our client base. Despite those hurdles, we still saw solid performance being reported by our commercial clients throughout the year, strong traffic and demand in our heavier tourism markets, and a continued sense of general positivity and optimism for 2023 being expressed by our clientele. As the next slide indicates, our portfolio credit quality continued to be as strong in Q4 as it has been all year. Slide nine shows continued stability across all of our core asset quality metrics.

NPAs, past dues, and classified loans to total loans are all stable quarter-over-quarter and right in line with our metrics throughout 2022. Our CRE portfolio saw a slight decline quarter-over-quarter, and we ended the year just below the regulatory targets in both total and C&D segments. Overall, our 2022 loan production and credit quality metrics saw extremely strong results due to some very hard work on the part of a great team of associates across our company. Now I'll turn it over to Ron to talk through our allowance, deposit portfolio, and earnings details.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Rhett, good morning, everyone. Let's move forward to Slide 10, our loan loss reserve. During the quarter, we recorded $788,000 provision related to our strong loan growth. At quarter end, our allowance to originated loans and leases was at 73 basis points, and our total reserves to total loans and leases was at 1.13%. Looking ahead to the Q1 of 2023, we adopted CECL on January 1. While we cannot forecast the economic environment ahead, we are estimating our allowance for credit losses to be approximately $32 million or close to 1% of ACL to total loans. On to Slide 11. Similar to other financial institutions, during the quarter, we experienced a decline in deposits.

As some of this was anticipated due to our high liquidity position, we additionally had customers deploying some of their excess cash into higher yielding security instruments. These deposit outflows, as many financial institutions experienced, caused significant pricing competition throughout our footprint, causing rates to increase quickly as our less liquid competitors rushed to shore up their balance sheets. As we stated during the last few quarters, our goal is to be judicious in our approach to raising deposit pricing, but not at the expense of losing good customer relationships. As a result of defending these relationships, our total deposit costs increased 40 basis points to 0.85% for the Q4 and was 1.06% for December. We do anticipate this upward deposit pricing pressure to continue for the next few quarters.

Our loan to deposit ratio increased to 79%, up from 72% in the previous quarter. Despite this increase, we remain below our historical loan to deposit ratio levels and are comfortable with both our liquidity position and the composition of our deposit portfolio. That said, we do anticipate some mix shift in the composition of our deposit portfolio over time as clients elect to move cash into higher yielding account types. On to slide 12. During the fourth quarter, we deployed much of our excess cash to fund new loan production and cover our deposit outflows. Our overall liquidity position, which includes cash and securities, remains strong at approximately 22% of total assets. Our Q4 margin was 3.51%, representing a 22 basis point quarter-over-quarter expansion.

Our yield on interest earning assets increased by 62 basis points, primarily driven by a 46 basis point increase in our loan portfolio yield, which included 18 basis points of loan accretion. Our loan portfolio yield less accretion for the Q4 was 4.87%, and for the month of December, it was 5.08%. Our interest-bearing liabilities increased 57 basis points, driven by increases in our interest-bearing deposit costs. Our interest-bearing deposit cost for the Q4 was 1.18%, and for the month of December was 1.45%. At quarter end, our cumulative deposit beta during the cycle is roughly 23%.

Given the previously discussed market environment, our increase in this quarter's beta is estimated to give us a cumulative beta for this rate cycle of 35%, with our total cost of deposits for the Q1 in the 1.3%-1.35% range. Giving margin guidance is difficult in this uncertain rate environment, with that said, we anticipate our margin for the Q1 in the range of 3.3%-3.35%. During the quarter, operating revenue increased $1.7 million for an annualized quarter-over-quarter increase of over 15%. Comparing to the Q4 of 2021, our operating revenue increased $70.9 million or over 21% year-over-year.

As operating revenue is one of the primary metrics by which we judge our performance, we are extremely proud of our SmartBank associates' ability to consistently grow revenue despite the various ongoing economic challenges. On Slide 13, you'll find some interest rate sensitivity information. With the sharp rise in interest rates and the deployment of our cash liquidity during the year, our balance sheet has shifted from a modestly asset sensitive to a general neutral position at year-end. Looking ahead, we anticipate that any small increases or decreases in short-term rates will generally have a limited impact on our interest margin and net income. As we move into an uncertain 2023, the company continues to focus on strategies to protect income in both an up or down rate environment.

On Slide 14, for the fourth quarter, our operating non-interest income increased to $7 million versus $6.2 million in the prior quarter. Our insurance revenues increased due to the acquisition of Sunbelt Insurance, and we also benefited from $700,000 of revenue from our capital markets group. Looking ahead to 2023, we will continue to focus on building steady recurring fee income streams. Our non-interest income forecast for the Q1 is in the $7.5 million range. On to Slide 15. Our continued efforts to create operating efficiencies and manage expenses resulted in a Q4 operating efficiency ratio of 61%. As we continued our steady downward trajectory, we expect our efficiency ratio for the Q1 to be similar to those of the previous quarters. In the later part of 2023, getting back to the low 60s range.

Our operating non-interest expense was $27.5 million, a 1.2% increase over the prior quarter. This increase was primarily attributable to increases in technology-related expenses and professional fees. As we continue to upgrade, invest in, and future-proof our organization, we fully expect ebbs and flows in various expense categories. That said, we always remain ready to tighten our belt to ensure we hit our income targets and deliver on our goal to create shareholder value. For the first quarter, we are forecasting the expense run rate of $28.2 million range, an increase from the prior quarter, primarily stemming from our salary and benefit expenses of $16.8 million. On to Slide 16, capital. During the quarter, our capital benefited from strong earnings and positive momentum in our ASC acquisition.

As we move forward into 2023, we anticipate building capital at a rate sufficient to fund future growth and continue to build our capital ratios. At quarter end, our tangible book value was $19.09 per share. Excluding the temporary impact of our unrealized security losses, our tangible book value per share was $21.18, representing a quarter-over-quarter increase of 3.7% and a five-year compound annualized growth rate of almost 9%. With that said, I'll turn it back over to Billy.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Ron. As you can see, we're really hitting a nice stride, as Ron mentioned in his guidance, we continue to be well-positioned. I do feel that we will see a slowing of loan growth a little as we start the year, particularly for us as we had some clients accelerate some closings into 2022 that we had to pay for Q1 2023. I feel our loan growth outlook is still solid, but in the current environment, I'm more comfortable with a mid to high single digits growth in the loans from a forecast standpoint for the year. We're also positioning to handle this rate environment with a heightened focus on non-interest bearing and low interest-bearing deposits. We've ramped up our treasury platform and resources and continue to make this area an emphasis for the bank.

Now that we've digested the lift outs from late 21 and early 2022, that added 6 new markets to our bank, we're looking for more opportunities to add talent to our team. We're in continued conversation with bankers that can add balances to both sides of the balance sheet and feel good about our prospects to bring on more sales team members in the coming quarters. I was very pleased with the performance and growth of both our Fountain Equipment Finance group and our SmartBank Investments wealth platform. We're expecting continued upside from these groups in the coming year. This coming quarter, we're also merging our two insurance agencies and excited to watch this company take off in 2023. Again, a very nice upside for revenue generation as we get its foundation set.

We continue to make investments that are accretive to growing our value and are staying focused on those singles and doubles that would create a great core franchise. To close, again, a very successful year for our company and a big thank you to our SMBK team. Our group continues to execute while building an outstanding culture. It's a great time to be involved in this company. I'm gonna stop there and open it up for questions.

Moderator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad now. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your phone is unmuted locally. We'll have our first question comes from Brett Rabatin from Hovde Group. Brett, the line is now open.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Good morning, Brad.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Wanted just to first start, I appreciate all the guidance as usual. Wanted just to start, you know, on the balance sheet. You obviously have been able to use your liquidity to fund the loan growth from the past year. Maybe any thoughts just on how much liquidity you think you might have left on the balance sheet now the balance sheet grows from here? I would assume we kind of pivot from, you know, the balance sheet growing more than relative to the past few quarters.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Yeah. Brett, I'll let Ron kind of dive into a little more color on details. Yeah, you're right. I think we've kind of gotten to the spot where, you know, we're holding the liquidity that we feel like we need for a bank our size right now. That's kind of our comments on, you know, the growth that we see from here. We feel pretty comfortable about being able to fund that and increase those deposit balances accordingly as we see the loan growth opportunities. Ron, you got any, you want any additional color you want to add to that?

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah, in the near term, I think we'll the cash and securities will probably remain stable, and we'll fund much of our loan growth with our deposit growth. No real wholesale changes until we probably get into 2024. We do have quite an amount of $250 million of treasuries that will be maturing during the first 6 months. We may have some strategy to deploy, you know, some balance sheet strategies or ideas. Up until now, I think we're looking to remain stable where we're at today.

Brett Rabatin
Research Analyst, Hovde Group

Okay. That's helpful. Wanted to just talk about commercial real estate. You know, I think a lot of investors are kind of concerned about it and, you know, maybe loans that were made at lower rates and as the market reprices those, you know, what those will look like. Can you give us any color on how you're looking at commercial real estate and just what you've done to maybe insulate, you know, your portfolio from any of the challenges that folks are talking about? Thanks.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Yeah. Brett, I'm going to let Rhett kind of dive into that, but just kind of anecdotally. I mean, it's something we talk about a lot. I know we've been watching, you know, and obviously doing our quarterly reviews, annual reviews for clients looking at that, doing some shocks. You know, we still feel extremely comfortable about the quality of our loan portfolio, even with a little high rate environment. Obviously it's changing. It's obviously changing the way we're looking to underwrite newer credits. It's a, you know, probably looking for a little more cash into certain deals today and a little more equity in some of these just to kind of, you know, hedge against potential upgrades.

Rhett, you want to maybe kind of dive into kind of how you're walking through that analysis with the team?

Rhett Jordan
Chief Credit Officer, SmartFinancial

Yeah. I mean, you know, we're probably similar to a lot of others in that, last year, especially as rates began to increase at the pace they were, to Billy's point, we started doing, you know, additional rate shocks, kind of above where we historically had done rate shocks on underwriting, on new opportunities coming in the door. You know, as we progress into the year, we also started, a process of looking out 6 months to a year on transactions that were coming up for renewal, looking at, projects that, you know, to your point, had been financed in earlier years with the lower interest rate costs, to just see how those were going to perform.

You know, again, to Billy's point, historically, we've always been pretty conservative when it comes to equity requirements on the front end of a project, stress testing interest rates on the front end of a project, making sure that they can sustain both an increased interest rate and/or a reduction in the NOI side. We still feel very good from the conversations we've had with clients about where rent rates are, even at the elevated interest expense, with the majority of the portfolio, we feel very, very good about where we're going to be as we go through the year.

Brett Rabatin
Research Analyst, Hovde Group

Okay. that's great color. maybe if I could sneak in one last one on the margin. You mentioned, obviously tough to, you know, project here, but just if the balance sheet is more neutral to rates and the Fed stops here, you know, you expect the margin to stabilize and kind of remain flattish from the first quarter, subsequently, or would you give us any other color around that?

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah. We're expecting it to, you know, from where we are because we're a little bit elevated for Q4 because of additional accretion. We should see that $3.30-$3.35 range pretty much at this point throughout 2023, where again, we're probably seeing our margin to be flat. Not seeing at this point, not modeling any more contraction. We again, just stable as we go forward.

Brett Rabatin
Research Analyst, Hovde Group

Okay, great. Thanks for sharing the color.

Rhett Jordan
Chief Credit Officer, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Brett.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Brett.

Moderator

Thank you, Brett. Well, our next question comes from Thomas Welborn from Stephens Inc. Thomas, your line is now open.

Thomas Welborn
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Go ahead, Thomas.

Thomas Welborn
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Just back on deposits. It sounds like you guys have enough securities rolling off to help fund most of the loan growth throughout the year. Just for the rest of the loan growth, are you guys looking at any CD specials you might be running just to help with the deposit growth? I don't think you've run any yet. You also weaned on FHLB borrowings during four Q a little bit. Do you see yourselves doing that anymore throughout 2023?

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

I don't think we have any.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah, we didn't have FHLB borrowings. We didn't have any for the fourth quarter. You know, let's get the wholesale funding. We don't see the use of FHLB or brokered deposits at this point, the need to. We are running promotional CD specials, and we are doing exception, more exceptional pricing. We have done some overall lift on our sheet rates, but again, we're trying to stay focused on the good relationships and individual pricing as we go forward.

Rhett Jordan
Chief Credit Officer, SmartFinancial

One point of clarification, Ron. He's talking about those securities rolling off. That's 2024.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

In 2024, the securities were rolling off.

Thomas Welborn
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Thank you for the clarification.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

$3 million-$4 million, yeah.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

I'm sorry. Go ahead, Thomas.

Thomas Welborn
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

No, no, I was just thanking you for the clarification on the securities there. My other question is just on your initiatives you set for 2023, the customer pricing software, the implements on the enhanced risk and fraud solutions, and then your improvement of treasury management system. Can you just give us an idea of the benefits you're seeing there, and then if there's any allocated costs to that we should be thinking about?

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Ron, allocated cost.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

We're embedded in our guidance at this point.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

It should be in the non-interest.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah, we'll be in our non-interest expense on that. We are targeting all those projects starting it for the first quarter. The benefits, pricing is obviously, don't really have to get into that one, but a lot of fraud prevention software. It allows us to go through a lot more data where we've been a little bit more manual in the past. It's definitely in this timeframe, something that we see the benefits of a lot of savings, so we don't have losses in our deposit side of the house for the transactions. Other than that, we'll gradually see all this being implemented throughout 2023, and it will be in our guidance.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Let me just add a little bit of color too, Thomas. To Ron's point, you know, obviously, we're no different than any other bank right now with, you know, obviously with, you know, there's a lot of fraud going on in our industry. We think this is just a prudent investment to try to kind of help mitigate, you know, potential losses on that side. Hopefully, it saves us some expense dollars on that front. The treasury piece, we're excited about. You know, we've got a very robust treasury platform, we're also looking to continue to enhance that.

There's some upgrades that we're gonna look to put in to kind of allow us to maybe have a few more bells and whistles, with some treasury clients. Especially with the, you know, a lot of clients that we've added, you know, they're very sophisticated treasury users. We wanna make sure that we're keeping tabs on that and being able to grow. We think that'll enable us to hopefully continue to grow and really as a result, help us grow that lower cost deposit base.

Thomas Welborn
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

All right. I appreciate all the questions, answers, guys. Thank you.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Thomas.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Thanks.

Moderator

Thank you, Thomas. With our next question comes from Stephen Scouten from Piper Sandler. Graham, your line is now open.

Speaker 10

Hey, good morning, guys. How's it going?

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Good morning, Graham.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Morning, Graham.

Speaker 10

I just wanted to hit on demand maybe in a different way, as it relates to your loan growth guidance and the balance sheet from here. I, I know you guys are saying mid to high single loan growth. If you see demand for loans and growth surpass that guidance maybe into the 10% range or low double digits, would you expect the margin to remain in that 3.30%-3.35% range you talked about, or do you think that incremental funding pressures, may push that a little bit lower? I guess the second part of that question is, what would you be funding that new loan growth at in terms of, the cost on CDs or I guess your non-accounts?

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Yeah. I'll start, and guys, y'all add any color that you want. Yeah, I think you're accurate, Graham. I mean, for us, you know, we kind of given the markets and the teams and our projections, we feel very comfortable being able to fund, you know, that kind of that mid to high singles, just internally at kind of their rates at normal course. If we do get some outpaced growth, not saying that couldn't happen, you know, as we get into mid part of the year, we would probably fund that at more, probably a little bit more of a market.

It might cause a little bit of additional pressure on margin if we did want to go ahead and push some of those, loan growth totals a little higher.

Speaker 10

Okay, great.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah, I'll add to that. You know.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Go ahead, Ron, if you got a comment.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah. You know, we do anticipate if we do have heavier loan growth, we will, you know, run more specials. We do anticipate us to be self-funded. Obviously, we could go back to the wholesale market, but we're still, you know, even with the spread we're getting, I still think it's probably not going to hurt our margin at all.

Speaker 10

That's good to hear. What, I guess on your all's interest rate sensitivity slide, what kind of drove the move to liability sensitivity here? Is it just the deployment of excess cash from here?

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Exactly that, yeah. Our cash is making us more asset sensitive than we really were.

Speaker 10

Okay. That's kind of what I, what I figured in what we've seen over the last couple of quarters with that slide. If I can just get one more in here on the expense side. I think you said $28.2 million, right, in 1Q. It sounded like the efficiency ratio should improve from there. Are you kind of hopeful or guiding towards maybe some flattish expense growth after 1Q? I'm just trying to get a sense of, you know, what the full year might look like from an expense standpoint.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah. I think for the expense side, it, we have it'll go up incrementally, not in big amounts. You know, Q1 is kind of our traditionally our worst quarter. We're faced with some of the reset of taxes, some wage increases, and catching up on our deposit beta. I think as we go forward and get some more leverage with loan production and the deposit rates stabilizing, our expenses will remain relatively stable going through that time. Pretty much that $28-ish range is what we're focusing on.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Stephen, I'll just add. You know, when as we kind of forecast out that non-interest expense line for the year, we feel really good about controlling really all those areas. You know, obviously with salaries, we're in a, you know, as everybody, we're in a competitive wage environment. We wanna make sure that we're continuing to retain great staff members, and we're gonna look to make sure that we can do that. We may have a little more budgeted into some of those increases than traditional or what we've seen in the past few years.

But overall, we feel pretty good about our ability to hold that expense line, as you said, and as Ron kind of alluded to, you know, probably a little more on the expense side, and then it flattening out, probably cause that efficiency ratio to edge up a little bit, but then work its way back down. We still think kind of moving down toward that 60 number and getting sub 60 is a goal for our company that we can achieve in a relatively short period of time.

Speaker 10

Okay. Appreciate it. Thanks, guys.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Thank you.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Graham.

Moderator

Thank you, Graham. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, you can press star followed by one on your telephone keypad now. We have our next question comes from Feddie Strickland from Janney Montgomery Scott LLC. Freddy, your line is now open.

Feddie Strickland
Managing Director, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC

Hey, good morning, guys.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Morning, Feddie.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Hey. Morning.

Feddie Strickland
Managing Director, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC

Not interesting income guides, a pretty healthy jump from the fourth quarter. Is that driven by any, fee income line in particular, whether it's insurance or equipment finance? Just curious what the drivers are there.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Well, third quarter, we were down on capital markets, and obviously, as Billy mentioned, the mortgage revenues were down. As we go into fourth quarter, we have a full quarter's work from our insurance acquisition, the revenues generated from there. We also have picked up on our capital market side. We didn't have anything really new hit. We just had some of the segments that kinda had a down Q3 pick up some steam for Q4, and we project that steam to going into, you know, 2023.

Feddie Strickland
Managing Director, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC

Got it. That makes sense. Just moving to deposits, a lot of your Tennessee neighbors have had a good bit more pressure on their deposit costs than you guys are seeing at SmartBank. Do you feel like your footprint in Alabama and Florida is a big part of that? Has that helped you to kind of mitigate some of the deposit cost pressure?

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Yeah, I think some. I do think the geographic diversification that we have helps some of that. You know, we can, you know, we can price margin. You know what? I think we've really worked hard over the course of the last couple years, Feddie, building that kind of that more solid core funding base. I think that's showing a little bit now, not that we're immune from, you know, from rate pressures, and we're gonna continue to still have to defend, as Ron and I both said in our comments. We've got to continue to defend those core rate sensitive deposits. I do think it helps. I think it allows us to kind of take a look at pricing in other markets.

If we need to adjust, you know, one market versus the other, it allows us to do that. I think overall it helps, but doesn't make us immune. It's, you know, to your point.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

It's tough everywhere.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Yeah, to your point, we've a lot of our competitors, especially here in the great state of Tennessee, are pushing some of these rates a little higher than we like to see. But, that's just, that's part of it. We'll continue to defend it.

Feddie Strickland
Managing Director, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC

Got it. No, that's a great point on the investments you guys have made, on the deposit side. There's certainly not a whole lot of banks that can let some of the higher rate stuff walk away. Just one last question from me. Just can you talk through what you're seeing, you know, in that area just outside Nashville? How much opportunity do you think that you have on the loan side there? How much growth do you think we could see in that market over the course of the year?

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

It, obviously, you know, Nashville's MSA is arguably one of the best in the country. You know, a lot of competition. I mean, when you got a market like that, it's an extremely competitive market. We know that. You know, it kinda goes back to the team you got and the talent you have. We've got some great folks in our Middle Tennessee group. I do believe that we'll have some nice opportunities to grow Nashville. We're looking strategically and looking at how we wanna expand in that zone. We think that is a zone that we can and want to grow in. As far as how much growth for us, it's kinda tough to say.

It'll be a function of really kind of the strategies that we wanna execute this year. There's a good upside there for us, and looking forward to watching this Nashville team grow for our bank.

Feddie Strickland
Managing Director, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC

Got it. Appreciate you guys taking my question.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Feddie.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Thanks.

Moderator

Thank you, Freddy. We have our next question comes from Catherine Mealor from KBW. Catherine, your line is now open.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director, Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

Thanks. Good morning.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Morning.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Morning.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director, Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

I just want to circle back to the margin and think about loan yields. I know you gave the December loan yield was 508, I think is what you said. As we think about the piece of the variable rate of your book that resets over the, what you call the longer term, that $561 million that resets, you know, over three months, what's the kind of pace that you see that happening? Maybe as you think about where you see loan yields going over kind of the course of the year, how would you think about peak loan yields or betas or repricing opportunities from that piece of the loan book?

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah, I'll start. I think for 2023, like for instance Q1, we have about $25 million of that's not resetting, that will reset, and that today, that rate is 4.87%. With our new loan production and this resetting, we're projecting our loan yields to be in the neighborhood of 5.35%-5.4%. And then ratably going through, we'll have about $25 million a quarter for the remaining quarters of 2023 that will come due. They're all about the high fours, about 4.8, 4.9% weighted average yield. That'll be resetting into the current rate.

we feel pretty comfortable that our loan yields will continue to ratably go up as we journey into 2023.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director, Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

Great. That's really helpful. Do you think then as that as that plays out, I mean, do you think the margin kind of hovers in this 3% to 3.35% range for the rest of the year, or do you see directionally kind of upside or downside from there for the year?

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Yeah, at this point, we're looking at the hover, $330-$335 range.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

A function of deposits. You know, I think right now we feel like we're. You know, you'll continue to see a little bit of pressure on that deposit side. Basically what we make up on the loan side gets kind of.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Eaten up.

Billy Carroll
President and CEO, SmartFinancial

Gets eaten up a little bit on the deposit side. You know, we're hopeful maybe that we could have a little widen some of that spread. I think from what we've seen in the markets today, we feel more comfortable with kind of that hovering of our NIM for the next little bit.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director, Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

Great. Okay. That makes sense. All of my other questions were asked and answered. Thanks so much.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Catherine.

Moderator

Thank you, Catherine. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star low bar one on your telephone keypad now. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your phone is unmuted locally. We have no further questions on the line. I will now pass back to the management team for closing remarks.

Ron Gorczynski
EVP and CFO, SmartFinancial

Thanks, Glenn. Again, in closing, thanks again to each of you for joining us today. As always, please reach out directly to any of us if needed with additional questions. We appreciate your time today. Have a great rest of your week.

Moderator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. If you have missed any part of this call, would you like to hear again, a recording will be ready shortly. Thank you for joining today's call. Have a lovely day.

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