Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome, and thanks for joining the Hugo Boss Q2 2023 results call. Throughout today's recorded presentation, all participants are in a listen-only mode. The presentation will be followed by a question and answer session, and if you would like to ask a question, you may do so by pressing star followed by one on your telephone keypad. Please press the star key followed by 0 if you need operator assistance. I will now turn the conference over to Christian Stöhr, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Emma. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Q2 2023 financial results presentation. Today's conference call will be hosted by Yves Müller, CFO and COO of Hugo Boss. Before we get started, allow me to remind you that all revenue-related growth rates will be discussed on a currency-adjusted basis, unless otherwise specified. I would also like to remind you that, just like in the past, we kindly ask you to limit your questions during the Q&A session to a maximum of two. With this, let's kick it off, and over to you, Yves.
Thank you, Christian, and also from my side, a warm welcome to all of you. Thanks for joining our conference call today, and thank you for your interest. From our press release earlier this morning, you will have noticed that at Hugo Boss, we look back at an excellent Q2 and H1 year performance, respectively. I'm therefore very pleased to elaborate in detail in the next 30 minutes on the operational and financial progress achieved in Q2, as well as our increased outlook for the remainder of the year. All of this, less than two months after we all met at our beautiful campus here in Metzingen. Back in June, we hosted our 2023 Capital Markets Day, providing you with a comprehensive update on our CLAIM 5 growth strategy, and as part of that, raising our 2025 financial ambition.
Just to get everybody on the same page, let's start with a very brief summary of our raised midterm targets, which we reaffirm today with even stronger confidence following our stellar performance in the Q2 of fiscal year 2023. As laid out in detail during our CMD, at Hugo Boss, we are fully committed to growing our top line to EUR 5 billion by 2025, representing a strong reported CAGR of 11% as compared to fiscal year 2022, and thus well above the anticipated industry growth. An ambitious, yet very realistic target, particularly when looking at our ongoing strong brand momentum and the many business opportunities that lie ahead, no matter whether from a brand, channel or regional perspective.
Our superior top line ambition is coupled with significant improvement in EBIT, which we forecast to grow to a level of at least EUR 600 million by 2025, representing a strong CAGR of more than 20% compared to 2022. With our bottom line growing almost twice as fast as our top line, we are targeting an EBIT margin of at least 12% by 2025. The main reason for raising our midterm guidance only two years after its official introduction, was the relentless, consistent, and very successful execution of our various strategic initiatives. At the same time, of our most recent CMD, we were looking back on seven outstanding quarters for our company with a steady sequential acceleration of brand momentum and broad-based growth across both brands, all regions, and all consumer touch points.
On that, I'm all the more excited to confirm today that our growth trajectory has continued seamlessly, also in the Q2 of 2023. Following our strong start into the year, we maintained our stellar momentum in Q2, recording further significant top and bottom line improvements and adding our eighth excellent quarter to the successful track record of CLAIM 5 strategy execution. Overall, currency-adjusted revenues increased a strong 20% year-over-year or 17% in reported terms, mounting up to more than EUR 1 billion and making the three-month period a second, a record Q2 for Hugo Boss. Importantly, no different to previous quarter, growth was once more broad-based in nature, as reflected by double-digit sales improvement across all brands, regions, and consumer touch points.
Fueled by the very robust top-line momentum, EBIT increased 21% to EUR 121 million in the Q2 , with EBIT margins up 40 basis points to 11.8%. On the back of these successes, based on our continued confidence when it comes to the remainder of the year, we are once again raising our top and bottom line outlook for fiscal year 2023, following our former guidance increased back in May. I will get into all the details of our increased outlook later in my presentation, but first, and as usual, let's take a closer look at Q2, starting with our top line performance. Without doubt, the Q2 of 2023 fits seamlessly into our Claim five success story as we impressively continued our double-digit growth journey.
Building on the latest trends, and no different to previous quarter, it was once again the relentless execution of our numerous brand, product, and omni-channel initiatives that provided substantial tailwinds for both of our brands and resulted in a further acceleration in top-line momentum. When compared to pre-pandemic levels, growth accelerated by 8% points to a strong 53, 52%. Another clear testament to the strength and resilience of our brands and the power of our winning formula, CLAIM 5. Speaking about our brands, fueled by the bold spring summer 2023 campaigns, both BOSS and HUGO successfully continued their journey of market share gains, driven by the superior sales trajectory, which continued seamlessly also in the Q2 . Above all, this reflects the ongoing success of our latest collections, fully living up to our 24/7 lifestyle ambition, which once more led to strong sell-through rates across the globe.
Consequently, supported by robust double-digit increases across all wearing occasions, Q2 revenues were up 18% for BOSS Menswear, up 32% for BOSS Womenswear, and up 21% for HUGO, each representing a quarter-on-quarter acceleration compared to 2019 levels. Let's now move over to our channels, where growth was equally broad-based in nature, as reflected by double-digit sales improvements across all consumer touchpoints. Starting with our digital business, which recorded a meaningful acceleration quarter-over-quarter, posting revenue growth of 30%. This development reflects double-digit growth across all our digital touchpoints, including noticeable revenue improvements of our online flagship, hugoboss.com, up 27% versus last year. Overall, the revenue share of our global digital business increased to a level of 19% in the Q2 . Switching gears to our brick-and-mortar business, which also looks back at an excellent Q2 .
This is reflected by very robust year-on-year growth of 17% in both physical retail and physical wholesale, each representing a further acceleration on the four-year stack basis. In physical wholesale, we continue to enjoy strong demand from partners around the globe, leading to broad-based growth across all regions. Importantly, the buying patterns by our key wholesale partners remain very much intact, and we are about to serve robust order books also during the H2 of the year. Consequently, and in contrast to some recent emerging industry trends, we remain optimistic when it comes to our ability to maintain our strong momentum in this channel, and thus continuing our market share winning trajectory also going forward. This brings me to brick-and-mortar retail, where the vast majority of our strong conformance was once again related to double-digit store productivity improvements, whereas space expansion only had a minor impact.
Year-on-year, store productivity increased a strong 13% to a level of EUR 12,500 per square meters, thus well above pre-pandemic levels. This development reflects ongoing robust traffic trends across geographies, as well as the continuous optimization and modernization of our global store network, including the rollout of our new store concept. Speaking of our store universe, as laid out during our CMD in June, we are making considerable progress in turning our points of sale into true points of experience. In this context, the rollout of our brands engaging next level store concepts plays a decisive role with our omni-channel strategy, with our Halo store on London Regent Street, meanwhile, shining a new splendor following its grand reopening earlier this year.
overall, we aim to modernize at least 100 own retail points of sale in 2023, turning them into the place to be for our global customers. That is far from all. In order to excite and surprise BOSS and HUGO fans all around the globe, we will also keep pushing ahead with engaging pop-up concepts and the seamless integration of inviting hospitality concept, be it in our newly opened BOSS Cafe on Regent Street, our most recent pop-ups, BOSS pop-up store at Printemps flagship store in Paris, or BOSS taking over the Dubai Aura Skypool Lounge later this year. This brings me to our regions, all of which contributed with double-digit growth to our remarkable Q2 performance.
While other business in the Americas and EMEA continued to benefit from both robust local demand and a further pickup in tourist activity, Asia Pacific recorded superior growth in Q2. Starting with the Americas, where we successfully continued our double-digit growth trajectory. With revenues up 20%, we recorded double-digit improvements across all of the regions markets. When compared to 2019 level, this translates into a strong growth of 64%, representing a further acceleration of 4 percentage points quarter-over-quarter. In this context, I am particularly pleased that we managed to also drive robust growth of 16% year-over-year in the important U.S. market, with all consumer touchpoints contributing. While our business in Canada performed broadly in line with that in the U.S., we also continued our outstanding momentum in Latin America, as reflected by significant double-digit revenues improvements.
Moving over to EMEA, where sales increased 15% year-over-year, driven by robust demand across all touchpoints. Here, four-year stack growth accelerated by 9 percentage points quarter-over-quarter to 53%, and thus, even stronger than in the Americas. Momentum remained very robust in key markets such as Germany and France, recording revenue growth of 19% and 15% respectively. At the same time, sales in the U.K. came in slightly below the prior year level, being up against a particularly strong comparison base. When compared to pre-pandemic levels, however, revenues in the U.K. were up 32% and thus broadly in line with the performance of other key markets. To finish on EMEA, also in the Middle East, we continued to enjoy strong momentum throughout Q2, as reflected by robust double-digit growth year-over-year.
To conclude on our regions, let's take a look at Asia Pacific, where momentum sharply accelerated in the Q2 , up 41% versus the prior level. This development was driven by robust growth of 28% in Southeast Asia and Pacific, including yet another outstanding performance in Japan, as well as a further recovering of our business in China following the market's reopening in late 2022. The latter saw revenues up 56% year-over-year, with strong support also coming from both Hong Kong and Macau. With this, let's now move on to the remaining P&L items. Starting with our gross margin, which totaled 62.3% in Q2. While this represents a decline of 120 basis points year-on-year, allow me to recall that our gross margin in Q2 was up against a particularly demanding comparison base from the prior year period.
As a reminder, last year's gross margin was up by 230 basis points to a strong level of 63.5%. Following the successful branding refresh and overall supply chain constraints, which drove our full price business to new heights. Against this backdrop, the gross margin decline in Q2 is mainly due to some unfavorable currency effects and negative impact from the channel mix, as well as higher product cost levels. The latter reflects both quality investments as part of CLAIM 5 and general cost inflation, which were only partly offset by our latest round of mid-single-digit price increases successfully implemented for our fall 2023 collections. Speaking about our gross margin, let me also reiterate once again that for the full year 2023, we continue to expect gross margins to remain at least stable year-over-year.
This implies an anticipated gross margin expansion in the H2 of this year, and particularly in the final quarter of 2023, as we anticipate benefits from additional freight cost relief, product cost lapping, an easier comparison base, and a more pronounced impact from our latest price initiative. Moving over to operating expenses, which as a percentage of sales, decreased 160 basis points to a level of 50.5%, thus well below pre-pandemic levels. Our strong operating leverage in the Q2 reflects, first and foremost, further efficiency gains in our brick-and-mortar retail business. Selling expenses in this important channel improved by a total of 270 basis points to a level of 20.8% of group sales, supported by our initiatives to continuously optimize and modernize our global store network.
In doing so, we were able to more than offset some further investments into our business as part of CLAIM 5, as well as higher fulfillment, variable rental, and payroll expenses in light of our strong top-line performance. While marketing investments also increased in Q2, up 16% year-over-year, at 6.6% of group sales, they came in somewhat below our run rate for the full year, which we continue to anticipate at around last year's level of just under 8%. Altogether, and spurred by the strong top-line performance, we recorded a robust increase in EBIT in the Q2 , up 21% to a level of EUR 121 million, translating into an EBIT margin expansion of 40 basis points to a level of 11.8%.
To conclude on the P&L, net income attributable to shareholders also increased noticeably, up 31% to EUR 75 million, with additional support coming from lower financial expenses compared to the prior year period. Let's now turn to the balance sheet, starting with inventories, which increased 53% currency adjusted. While we have already discussed the rationale behind our deliberate decision to increase our inventory position in detail on several occasions, let me once again emphasize that we continue to feel comfortable with our inventory position, including its overall composition, quality, and aging structure. This being said, we have successfully implemented a number of measures to bring down inventory levels, which are starting to take effect. Inventory growth has begun to decline in Q2, down 13 % points quarter-on-quarter, and is set to continue decreasing meaningfully, also going forward.
We thus anticipate a gradual normalization of inventories starting in the H2 of the year, and remain confident of bringing inventories down in absolute terms closer to last year's level by the end of fiscal year 2023. In doing so, we will make clear, visible progress towards our midterm ambition of bringing inventories down to a level of below 20% of group sales by 2025, as laid out at our CMD in June. This brings me to Trade Net Working Capital, with a moving average of the last four quarters increasing to 17.9 of group sales. In this context, the higher inventory position and increase in Trade Receivables, in light of our strong momentum in wholesale, were only partly offset by higher Trade Payables, reflecting the ongoing strong reception of our supplier financing program.
For the full year, we continue to expect our Trade Net Working Capital ratio to be somewhat up year-over-year, now anticipating a level of between 18% and 19%, thus, at the upper end of our midterm target corridor. Moving on to Capital Expenditure, which was up 56% on the prior year level, totaling EUR 66 million in Q2. This development reflects the strong uptick in investment activity aimed at supporting the successful execution of CLAIM 5, also going forward. While focus areas continue to be our global store network and our digital capabilities, we also begun ramping up our investments in logistics.
Overall, based on our latest estimate, we now forecast capital expenditure in fiscal year 2023 to come in at a level of between EUR 250 million and EUR 300 million, translating into around 6%-7% of group sales. Last, but certainly not least, free cash flow amounted to EUR 60 million in the Q2 , as our strong bottom line improvements were partly offset by the delivered build-up in inventories and higher CapEx. This, ladies and gentlemen, concludes my remarks on our Q2 operational financial performance. Before opening the floor to your questions, let's take a closer look at our raised top and bottom line outlook for the current fiscal year.
Building on our strong growth trajectory during the first six months of the year and sustained brand momentum, at Hugo Boss, we are very confident when it comes to the H2 of 2023. Importantly, our product and brand pipeline is well filled to continue inspiring and exciting customers all over the world. This includes the launch of another two star-studded brand campaigns for fall/winter in the coming weeks, once again, geared to maximizing buzz for BOSS and HUGO around the globe. On top of that, BOSS will be back in Milan for a spectacular fashion show in September. At the same time continuing to drive brand relevance by collaborating with strong partners, including the latest product drop together with Porsche.
At the same time, let me be clear in saying that we remain vigilant due to the persistently high levels of macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainties facing our industry. Not to forget, the comparison base during the H2 of the year is also becoming somewhat more challenging, as I'm sure you're all aware of. Taking all this into consideration, we now forecast group revenues in 2023 to increase by between 12% and 15% in reported terms, modestly ahead of our target CAGR of 11% by 2025. This means that we are anticipating revenues of EUR 4.1 billion-EUR 4.2 billion in fiscal year 2023, making it another record-breaking year for Hugo Boss. Importantly, and fully in line with Claim five, growth will once again be broad-based in nature, with all parts of our business set to contribute strongly.
Based on our higher top-line expectations, we are now forecasting EBIT to increase within a range of 20%-25% to a level of between EUR 400 million and EUR 420 million in 2023. In this context, we remain fully confident of being able to offset ongoing investments in our products, brands, and digital expertise by an at least stable gross margin development, as well as further efficiency gains, in particular, when it comes to our brick-and-mortar retail store network. Our EBIT margin will thus improve to a level approaching 10% by the end of 2023. Ladies and gentlemen, fiscal year 2023 will inevitably mark another important milestone for our company towards achieving our increased 2025 financial ambition, both in terms of top and bottom line.
In this context, it goes without saying that we will not rest, but instead, keep pushing the pedal to the metal when it comes to further executing our CLAIM 5 strategy. In doing so, we will ensure the seamless continuation of our successful growth journey in the H2 of 2023 and beyond. Because one thing is certain, with CLAIM 5, we have introduced the right strategy at the right time. As laid out in all detail at our CMD in June, sticking to our game plan of rigorous strategic execution enables our company and our two brands to unleash their full potential in the quarters and years to come, making Hugo Boss stronger, more profitable, and more sustainable.
This, in turn, will enable us to not only achieve our ambition of becoming one of the top 100 global brands, but also ensure sustainable shareholder value creation by 2025 and beyond. This, ladies and gentlemen, concludes my remarks for today. We are now happy to take your questions.
... Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, you may press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star followed by two. Anyone who has a question may press star followed by one at this time. One moment for the first question, please. First question is from the line of Grace Smalley with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Thank you. I have two questions, please, apologies if they are both related to gross margin. Firstly, on the Q2 gross margin bridge that you provided, please could you comment on what you saw in terms of promotional activity during the quarter? Where that fits in, in the gross margin build that you've given in the slide. Should we think about the pricing outlined in the build as being net of, like, list pricing, net of promotions? Could you also explain what is driving the negative channel mix impact on gross margin in Q2, also whether there was any impact from regional mix? My second question, looking ahead, you've reiterated your guidance for the at least stable gross margin for the full year, despite the decline you saw in the H1 .
Could you break down the drivers of the positive inflection you expect in gross margin in a bit more detail? In particular, I think you called out in your prepared remarks that you expect that inflection to come through, particularly in Q4. Could you comment if you also already expect to see gross margin expansion year-over-year in Q3 as well, please? Thank you very much.
Thank you very much, Grace, for your questions. First of all, regarding this negative channel mix effect, it's more related to the fact that digital wholesale was growing faster than digital retail. Whereas, you know, brick-and-mortar was more or less the same growth, this is more or less related to this kind of negative channel mix effect. Regarding promotional activities, the promotional activities only had a minor effect on the gross margins, overall you can somehow neglect this. This is the reason why it was not into put into our bridge that we provided to you. Finally, in terms of the at least gross margin development, now we are standing in the H1 year.
We are, like, 70 basis point below last year's gross margins. We are very much convinced and very confident that we will achieve at least the same gross margin level in comparison to last year. This will come in the H2 of the year because a lot of effects, say, if it comes from product costs, if it comes from freight costs, if it comes from raw material, if it comes from dollar development versus the euro, if it comes from price increases. These are all actually tailwinds that will help us, and they will go especially through in Q4, like we laid out during the presentation.
Okay, thank you. Just to follow up on that, they will come through, especially in Q4, but you would still expect gross margin expansion in Q3 as well, but more significantly in Q4. Is that the right way to understand that?
We're not commenting this.
Okay, understood. Thank you very much.
Next question is from the line of Zuzanna Pusz with UBS. Please go ahead.
Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. My first one is on your updated sales outlook. If I calculate what it implies for H2, it's a high single-digit growth, which are step to H1. Of course, you offer comps, but I was wondering if you got in the trend already in the month of July, that is giving you reason to be more cautious for H2, or different reasons. If you can give some observations by region, will be very helpful. Secondly, on your OpEx, you saw really good leverage on your brick-and-mortar costs in Q2. Do you think this is sustainable going forward, or should we expect some normalization in H2? Thank you.
Thank you very much, Zuzanna. The line was a little bit distorted during your first question regarding the sales outlook. Clearly, I think worth mentioning is that, you know, our guidance implies the reported, and you have seen versus Forex and reported that there's a deviation between 3 to 4 percentage points, as we have seen actually in Q2. You have to keep this in mind. Overall, you are right that it's a high single digit, low double-digit number that we expect for the remainder of the year. Actually, we are very happy with the performance in July. In July, we have seen no somehow a change in consumer demand for our both brands or for channels or geographies.
Everything is, is we are, we are operating on all, firing on all cylinders, we are very happy with, with this kind of performance. Overall, you can say, well, yes, there is some, of course, the comparison base is increasing in the H2 of the year. Secondly, we factor in some macroeconomic uncertainties, like always, and, and we take it from there. OpEx, yes, we are very happy with the, with the current performance, regarding, you know, our operating leverage that we have achieved so far. Let's wait, let's work very closely on optimizing continuously, especially our brick-and-mortar retail costs. We said that strategically, we want to get it down to, to 20% by the year in 2025.
We are already standing at 20.8% now in Q2. We're really making big pro-progress by optimizing, but a big driver of the OpEx is clearly, you know, the improvements that we made in store productivity. We increased the store productivity by 13%. I think this is overall a very, a very strong number in brick-and-mortar retail, and this is clearly driving the operating leverage.
Thank you.
As a reminder, that's star followed by 1 2, ask a question. Next question is from the line of Thomas Chauvet with Citi. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Yves and Christian, and congrats for this good Q2 numbers. My first question on the channels. If we look at the H1 , the, the, the wholesale growth is almost 10 percentage points above the, the retail growth. Obviously, that's probably a bit counterintuitive, given what's going on in the U.S., European departmental store channel. I understand your comment is that you're gaining market share. Could you provide us more color on the, the shape of the order book in wholesale? Also tell us within that 22% wholesale growth, you know, what was roughly due to new space with existing, or new partners? Secondly, on the CapEx budget for 2023, it's increased by EUR 50 million versus the May update.
I mean, is that mainly due to phasing of, of store and digital project between H2 and next year? Or is it a deliberate decision to spend more? If so, you know, where are those incremental investments located? Just coming back to your July comments, Yves, actually, if I take the top end of your revenue guidance, given the FX, that implies more like 12%, 13% constant FX growth in H2. You said no change in trends in July. Can you be more specific and indicate maybe whether July is above or below that kind of 12%, 13% constant FX in and comment on, you know, the key geographies and channel? Thank you.
Yes, thank you very much, Thomas, for your questions. Regarding the July performance, I think I don't wanna make a kind of I don't wanna be more specific with this, but I can assure you that we are really happy with, with the first, you know, 32 days of trading in, in, in our, in our Q3 . Regarding the, the, the H1 year results, so if you compare actually currency neutral, our, the brick-and-mortar wholesale numbers, they were increasing by 22% brick-and-mortar wholesale and 21 retail. I don't notice actually any difference there. It's more on the digital sales side, where we where we were increasing a little bit more in terms of wholesale partners versus our concession business. This is, but this is not actually moving big the needle.
Overall, we are very happy, you know, with the order intake that we have in, in wholesale partners. We are growing constantly, we are gaining market share, and we are actually growing in both aspects, getting more doors, getting more visibility, more penetration. Plus, you know, on the, on the product-by-product base, you have a kind of improved like-for-like performance. I mean, this is logic if you just compare, you know, the store productivity gains, that you have seen actually in retail, and this is also actually reflected in wholesale. Still in wholesale, we are, we, we are able to, to grow additional spaces and doors. Regarding the investments, we see actually tremendous success, you know, with our new store concept.
We want to have, you know, at the end of this year, 40% of our universe being, you know, remodeled and being in the new store concept. We are pushing the, the pedal to the metal in terms of, you know, making it really changing, you know, and investing into the store network by remodeling, by relocating, in order to, to somehow feel, you know, this branding refresh and the, the, the, that we did, that this, that this is also visible at the, at the, at the POS and turn them actually into points of experience. We are pushing the pedal to the metal with this. Like I said to you in my presentation, we are also...
We said in order to, and we set this during the CMD, we are beginning, you know, our investments into logistics in order to, to drive and to support the growth that we are having, and we are starting to invest into logistic as well. This is actually both retail and logistic investments are driving the increase in CapEx.
Okay. That's mainly phasing rather than, if I understand correctly, rather than a more costly project?
Exactly. It's more phasing related.
Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Eve.
Next question is from the line of Anthony Charchafji with BNP Paribas Exane. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning. It's Anthony Charchafji from BNP Paribas Exane. Just two questions. The first one on the margin. I see that EBIT margin up 40 bips, but at the EBITDA level, it's down 280 bips, with DACH down 18% in Q2. Yeah, could you give some color on the component in between? That's the first question. The second one would be on pricing. Could you, could you remind us what price increase you did this year and also for 2024 and 2025?
I recall that in your guidance, you, you are not including any price increases, but you have, you have a peer, Ralph Lauren, CEO, that stated two weeks ago that he, he's willing to, to keep on increasing prices and, and knowing that half of your, of your sales at, at BOSS, with the, the BOSS Black line is, is, is priced similarly to, to Ralph Lauren and, and your willingness to, to put it slightly a bit above. I mean, can we expect some, some price increases in 2024 and 2025? And, and, yeah. Thank you.
Bonjour, Anthony. Thank you very much for your questions. I start with the pricing one. First of all, we have, to put everybody on the same page, we have included, we have or we have decided 2 price increases. One was in August 2022 for winter, and the other one was now in, in autumn 2023, which was hitting the sales floor in May 2023. These 2 price increases were mid, around mid-single-digit, and they have been decided, and they have been so far, of course, considered. Furthermore, in terms of 2024 and 2025, we have not decided any price increases yet because we are very much focused on a very good price value proposition overall.
We know that we are gaining market share, we take the decision collection by collection, but for the time being, no price increases have been communicated or decided. Related to the EBIT performance or EBITDA, first of all, I'd like to point out that for us, it's very important that, to the capital markets, that we improve our EBIT margin overall. You can see here, you know, with our revised margin, that we, that we are about to improve our operating margin again, now to this 10 percentage points. I think this is very important for us to be very reliable in terms of growing above industry growth and still improve our operating margin.
Last year, we made 100 basis points, and this year we are about to reach the 10 percentage points in EBIT margin. This is very crucial for us on our way to our at least 12% in 2025. Regarding this EBITDA, of course, we do a lot of investments. The investments, they turn into depreciation once, you know, the investments have been done. It always comes with a kind of time delay. The investments that we are doing, are hitting our P&L always a little bit, a little bit later. The same is true, you know, for the digital investments that we are taking. For example, if you take the logistics investment that we are about to start, the constructions time is, is almost one and a half years.
It takes time until, you know, the CapEx turns into a depreciation, that this is the main driver for this.
Thank you.
Next question is from the line of Manjari Dhar with RBC. Please go ahead.
Morning, Yves, Christian. Thanks for taking my question. My first question was just on, on womenswear. I wondered if you could give some color on what's driven the, the outperformance there and any learnings you've, you've made in womenswear over the last couple of quarters? Secondly, on the financial interest line, I just wondered if you could give some color on, on sort of how you- your planning assumptions for lease interest versus the FX impacts for H2. Thank you.
Regarding, womenswear, if, if this was the right question, because The line wasn't so good. Yes, it's another quarter of outperformance of BOSS Womenswear. We always said, you know, that we start with the product. You have all seen, you know, CMD, that we have really worked very closely on the, on the collection for BOSS Womenswear, and that we're gonna expand this collection to a more 24/7 lifestyle presentation for, for spring/summer as well. We are overall very happy currently with the performance that we see in BOSS Womenswear. The order books for BOSS Womenswear look good as well, and I think we are on a very, very good track.
You see that actually, that we are taking bold moves, you know, because with the reopening of our BOSS store on Regent Street, we, we offer the full ground floor is now offered to BOSS Womenswear. We are making constant steps there to improve our BOSS Womenswear offering and to give actually more space to BOSS Womenswear in order to outgrow the market. We are overall happy with the current performance of BOSS Womenswear, and we hopefully continue to do so. Regarding the financial expenses, we have had some positive effects, actually, from the Forex side in the H2 of the year.
As you all know, Manjari, it's, it's very volatile, so I think it's very difficult to anticipate this for the H2 of the year. Overall, of course, we, we focus as well on, on earnings per share, and we are happy that, you know, our net income was increasing over proportionally.
Great. Thanks for the color, Yves.
Next question is from the line of Rogerio Fujimori with Stifel. Please go ahead.
... Good morning, Yves and Christian. I have two questions. The first one is on China. I think in Q2, you were up 56%, lapping a 34% decline in Q2 2022, so up 3% on a two-year basis. Is this a good proxy for H2? Any color on exit rates in China? My second question is a follow-up to Susy's question on the guidance, focusing on Americas. I think her sales were up 27% in H1, and you are guiding 10%-15% in the full year, so the midpoint implies a small sales decline in H2. Could you help us understand the key headwinds you see for H2 beyond the tough comparative and the buffer for macro uncertainty? Thank you.
Thank you very much, Rogério. Thank you very much for your, for your questions. Perhaps regarding U.S., the remaining piece is perhaps a sense of conservatism that is, that is built into the numbers. Just take it from there. Overall, we are very happy, and now I repeat myself, with the performance that we have seen starting into Q3. Regarding China, I think, first of all, I think it's worth mentioning that we were growing against 2021 as well. That was the all-time high year of China. We are happy with this kind of performance that we have seen in, in Q2. And, and I think this will continue also in the H2 of the year.
Be aware of the fact, of course, that at the end of Q4, 2022, there was a COVID breakout in China, so the comparison base is getting a little bit easier in Q4, as you might, as you might recall. Overall, in terms of our own performance, China, we are happy with the performance in China.
Thank you.
Next question is from the line of Jürgen Kolb with Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning, guys. Two, two questions. First one, I was wondering if, if you could give us an update on your production facility that you're planning to increase in Latin America. What's the status here? Have you made any progress in finding the right destinations or the, the right factories? Secondly, on your productivity gains that you mentioned with 13% in own retail, could you break that down into conversion, into pricing, into average tickets, and traffic? That would be helpful. Fantastic. Thank you.
Thank you very much, Jürgen. Thank you very much for your two questions. First of all, regarding production facilities, I think there is, regarding the sourcing, a lot going on. First of all, I'd like to mention that we are de-risking China a lot in the Asian markets. I think this is happening a lot, so we are moving from China to Vietnam, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, to Turkey, to another regions to de-risk China. I think this is worth mentioning, like we laid out during our CMD. Regarding our Latin American e-engagement, of course, we want to nearshore, we want to increase Latin America, and we have now found a, a new supplier in Mexico where we want to, where we want to produce.
We'll be starting producing in Q3 now with this kind of partner. It always takes some time, you know, a lot of checks that has to be done regarding sustainability and all these issues, but we are ramping it up for the H2 of the year and start producing in Mexico. Regarding productivity, it's, there are. If I would lay it down into these four drivers, if you have footfall, conversion, ASP, and net sales, and units, I would clearly highlight that footfall and the higher prices are driving the productivity gains. Conversion and units being more or less stable, the, the, the, the prices, the price increases, and of course, the product mix and the footfall, because of the branding refresh, are driving the productivity gains.
You can imagine if you remodel or reopen new stores, this is helping you as well in terms of, you know, generating curiosity. We have now, in, in some of those, points of sale, you know, the BOSS Cafe. If you turn this into a point of experience, you generate additional footfall, and, and this is really driving, the productivity gain as well.
Understood. Very good. Super. Thank you very much. Best of luck for H2.
The next question is from the line of Andreas Riemann with Oddo BHF. Please go ahead. Mr. Riemann, your line is open. Please go ahead.
In that case, Emma, maybe we move on to the next-
We move on.
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Next question is from the line of Michael Kuhn with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Morning. Hope you can hear me?
I hear you. Good morning.
Fantastic. Just one question from my side on Trade Net Working Capital, where you increased the guidance to 18%-19% from 17%, and simultaneously, you also increased the sales guidance, so it looks like a disproportionate increase of the absolute Trade Net Working Capital. Just maybe some color on that. What is driving that? Is it inventories predominantly or other items as well? What has changed?
... In your view on Trade Net Working Capital, over the last couple of weeks, that made you, move up the guidance here? Thank you.
Yes. The major driver is actually coming from the supplier financing program because we are changing here the platform. Today we have a collaboration with a bank, and we are changing our supplier financing program to an independent platform. Currently, the ramp up in terms of technically and to put those, you know, to convert the existing suppliers from the bank to the new independent platform takes some time, takes some more time than we originally expected, and this is somehow driving the payables or somehow affecting the payables at the end. This is the major driver. Yes. It's a little bit technical, this question, but there is, like, like I said, this, this change in, in how we use the platform.
We are just using today 1 bank. Tomorrow we are using an independent platform. These changes take longer than they originally anticipated.
That means, H2 is basically the transition period, and we could maybe expect a relief from that position going into next year?
We are ramping it up, but the ramp up takes longer, and this somehow affects the trade payables, and the trade payables are expected actually to go up in 2024, more pronounced than in 2023.
All right. Thank you.
Next question is from the line of Jörg Philipp Frey with Warburg Research. Please go ahead.
Hello, guys. Actually, I would like to touch first a bit on the license business, applaud you on this strong figure of 33% growth. Can you shed some light, is there anything aperiodic in this number? How much of this growth is driven by the fragmented business? Is this, is this really close to this 33%? Any particular launches you are going to conduct in the H2 that you want to mention? The second question, touching a bit on 2024 already. Well, you had now such a long period of really stellar growth, obviously, apart from brick-and-mortar, where when you, when you have opera...
high comp sales growth, if you look at the other areas, the others, to what extent are you currently experiencing these economies of scale, as you stretched your organization too far already? Is this a driving factor for probably even higher margin growth than one would expect in the face of probably slower growth in 2024?
Hey, good morning, Philipp. First of all, touching, talking about the license business, yes, it was growing 32%. I think overall, we are happy how the, now the license business is evolving. We have a very, very close relationship with Coty, Safilo, and Movado, as you, as you all know. Overall, the underlying trend is more or less that you see the growth that you see in, in the current apparel business. So I- the, the growth rate in Q2 is a little bit overstated because we had, we had, because of the prolongation with the contract with Coty, there is a low single-digit million EUR amount in terms of the prolongation is included there.
This is the reason why this number is a little bit overstated as a kind of, well, let's call it extraordinary item, but nothing that I would have called out, you know, during my presentation. The underlying, more like, more or less like growing plus 20%, and this another 10% is more like related to, to Coty with this prolongation of the contract. Regarding economies of scale, if, if I, if, if I get this right, of course, I mean, we are, we are on a very good track, and, you know, to achieve our, our operating leverage. This is what you've seen already in, in, in Q2, in, in those numbers, and, and, and we feel very much committed to have at least 12% operating margin. I think we are firing out of all cylinders in our company.
We are really, very concentrated and very much focused on, on executing CLAIM 5. I think we are on a very good track of achieving our midterm goals.
Thanks a lot, and keep up the good progress.
Thank you. Thank you, Philipp.
Last question is from the line of Chiara Battistini with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Hello. Hi, thank you very much for taking my questions. I just have one on wholesale, and I was wondering whether you could give us some more color on how to think about space growth being either like, more shelf space in department stores where you're already present and new doors versus rather replenishment and sort of like for like organic growth within wholesale. Then a question on ASP, just to come back. I, I got a comment on pricing. I was just wondering also whether you could comment on how much mix has actually been contributing to growth in the quarter and what you expect for the year from that point of view, please. Thank you.
Hey, thank you very much, Chiara, for your questions. Regarding pricing or the mix, the mix is overall more or less, you know, negligible. I mean, there's the, the H2 of the year, of course, we are selling more outerwear than in, than the H1 of the year, this will drive a little bit more, you know, the ASP higher at the end. Overall, if you take, you know, formal wear, casual wear, shoes, accessories, they are all more or less growing at the same pace. Nothing that I would really kind of call out in terms of, in terms of mix. And, and, you know, the comments I made regarding, you know, the store productivity increases in retail, it's more or less stable.
Regarding wholesale, I think as a rule of some, you could say, because we are still, you know, gaining more doors, we are gaining more penetration, we have here some pop-ups in wholesale as well. As a rule of thumb, I would say half of the growth is coming like for like on a product basis, and the other half is coming from, from space, more doors and more customers joining.
Perfect. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Chiara.
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