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Earnings Call: Q4 2019

Mar 5, 2020

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Hugo Boss full year results 2019 call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions by pressing star and one on your telephone keypad. I must also advise you that this conference is being recorded today, Thursday, the 5th of March 2020. I would now like to hand over to Christian Stöhr, Head of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Christian Stöhr
Head of Investor Relations, Hugo Boss

Yes, thank you very much. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to our full year 2019 financial results presentation. Today's conference call will be hosted by Mark Langer, CEO of Hugo Boss, and Yves Müller, CFO. As always, during the Q&A session, I kindly ask you to limit your questions to a maximum number of two, so everybody gets a chance to ask his or her questions. There's a lot to cover today, so let's get started, and over to you, Mark.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you, Christian. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Also from my side, a very warm welcome to all of you. Today, as usual, we will review the 2019 financial year before taking a closer look at our ambitions for 2020. As you would expect, we will also use a considerable part of this call to address the current situation in our strategically important region, Asia Pacific, and also elaborate on how we at Hugo Boss are managing the uncertainty in the context of the coronavirus. First, allow Yves and myself to recap on the 2019 fiscal year, both from an operational and financial perspective. For Hugo Boss, 2019 was without doubt an eventful year. Some markets clearly proved more challenging than anticipated, hence weighing on our financial performance, in particular during the first nine months of the year.

At the same time, we have made significant progress in executing our strategic initiatives in 2019, something I will get into in a second. This became particularly visible during the important fourth quarter, with currency-adjusted sales growth accelerating to 4% and EBIT improving by 9%. The performance of our own retail business was particularly encouraging as we recorded a robust 7% currency-adjusted growth in the fourth quarter, supported by an acceleration in comp store sales growth to 3%. As expected, the positive effect from the intensification of online partnerships in the concession model and the completed renovation of strategically important BOSS stores carried out in the prior quarters became more pronounced, making an above-average contribution to growth in our own retail business in the fourth quarter.

In the light of the strong top and bottom line performance during the final quarter of 2019, we achieved our adjusted targets for the full year. Altogether, sales of our BOSS and HUGO brands amounted to EUR 2.9 billion in 2019, representing an increase of 3% as compared to the prior year. This corresponds to a currency-adjusted increase of 2%. I am particularly pleased to see that all of our strategic growth drivers, online, retail productivity, HUGO, and Asia, recorded disproportionate growth and thus substantially contributed to group sales growth. Our own online business grew at a strong double-digit rate for the second year in a row. The encouraging sales growth of 35% currency adjusted was not only driven by new online partnerships entered into last year, it also confirms the growing importance of our own online store, hugoboss.com.

Last summer, we tapped into important online markets such as Scandinavia and Ireland and are now offering our BOSS and HUGO collections online in 15 international markets, with more to come. Altogether, our own online business ended the fiscal year 2019 with sales of around EUR 150 million, thus accounting for 8% of own retail revenues. We've also made significant progress in the further optimization of our global store network over the past year. We renovated our largest flagship store globally on Champs-Élysées in Paris, as well as a large number of other BOSS stores around the globe. Already today, our BOSS collections are shining in renewed splendor in around 100 of our own retail stores. This has not only elevated the shopping experience for our customers, but also led to an increase in retail productivity in brick-and-mortar retail by a total of 4%.

Currency-adjusted sales for HUGO also grew disproportionately, up 5% in 2019. This development was largely driven by HUGO's casual wear collections, which resonated particularly well with HUGO's fashion-conscious consumers, thus continuing their double-digit growth trajectory. In particular, products inspired by graphic reinterpretation of the HUGO logo, such as sweaters, hoodies, and T-shirts, continued to grow at above average rates in 2019. The styles developed by HUGO last summer in cooperation with British singer and artist Liam Payne and presented digitally at Berlin Fashion Week, were certainly a key milestone in this regard. As a global brand ambassador, Liam Payne will also influence capsule collection and marketing campaigns in 2020, thus fostering and increasing the brand awareness in the contemporary fashion segment. From a regional perspective, Asia Pacific stood out as particularly positive in 2019.

Our successes in this important region were nowhere more visible than in mainland China, where we once again achieved double-digit growth on a comp store basis. We emphasized the importance of the Chinese market for our business with an impressive BOSS menswear and BOSS womenswear fashion show in Shanghai last year. Other markets in that region, such as Japan, South Korea, and Singapore, also grew nicely in 2019. On the other hand, our business in Hong Kong was down more than 50%, impacted by political unrest and demonstrations, hence burdening regional growth to some extent. Overall sales in Asia Pacific increased 5% currency adjusted, thus also contributing with above average growth in 2019. To further grow brand momentum Asia Pacific, we will continue to put strong emphasis on marketing campaigns specifically tailored towards the Chinese consumer.

Our latest partnership established in early January with Chinese actor and singer Li Yifeng is a prime example for this. As a new face for BOSS in Asia Pacific, Li Yifeng will accompany key marketing campaigns as a brand ambassador throughout 2020. With a strong emphasis on relevant social media platforms, this exciting partnership will help us to drive brand heat for BOSS in our strategically important market of Greater China. Our focus on implementing our strategic initiatives is also paying off in Europe. In our largest region by far, we recorded robust growth in 2019 with the currency-adjusted sales up 4%. We increased our sales in many key markets, including the U.K. and France, primarily due to a strong performance in our own retail business. While currency-adjusted sales in Germany declined 4% in 2019, we have laid important foundations for future growth in our home market.

In September, we opened our largest outlet globally close to our headquarters in Metzingen. We also decided to strengthen the entry-level price points at key wholesale partners by introducing a suit offering starting at the price point of EUR 399, which is expected to hit shelf with the winter collection in July this year. Our business in Americas declined 7% currency adjusted in 2019. This development mainly reflects a further deterioration in the overall market environment in North America, where both the local demand as well as sales generated from tourists were below the prior year level. This, in turn, resulted in heightened promotional activity, which put a strain on our wholesale business in particular. In contrast, our retail business continued to stabilize during the course of the year, as reflected by comp store sales being on a par with the prior year level in the final quarter.

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes my operational review of the fiscal year 2019. I will update you on our expectations for 2020 in just a few minutes. First, let me hand you over to Yves, who will guide you through the most important P&L and balance sheet items. Yves, it's over to you.

Yves Müller
CFO, Hugo Boss

Thank you, Mark, and good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. As Mark already alluded to, in light of the strong top and bottom line performance in the fourth quarter, we achieved our adjusted targets for 2019. Still, the financial performance for the full year fell short of our initial expectations. At EUR 333 million, our operating result was within our adjusted target range between EUR 330 million and EUR 340 million, and thus 4% below the prior year level when excluding the impact of IFRS 16. This corresponds to an EBIT margin of 11.5% for the 2019 financial year. Let me shed some light on the three main drivers contributing to the decline in EBIT. First and foremost, the lower than expected sales growth clearly impacted our bottom line performance in 2019.

In particular, the deteriorating consumer sentiment in North America, as well as the difficult situation in Hong Kong, were two developments that were not predictable a year ago. Secondly, increased markdown activity, particularly in North America, as well as slightly negative currency effects, both weighed on our gross margin development. While we also recorded a positive channel mix effect, this was only able to partly compensate for the negative effects. In summary, this led to a gross margin of 65.0 percentage points, down 20 basis points versus the prior year. Last but not least, additional investments in our own retail business contributed to a 4% increase in operating expenses. As already outlined to you in early November last year, these investments aimed at further progressing strategically important online partnerships and tapping into additional key markets with our online store hugoboss.com.

At the same time, in 2019, we have accelerated the optimization of our own store network and renovated significantly more of our stores than in previous years. While these crucial investments weighed on our selling and distribution expenses, up 6% year-on-year, I am pleased to see that our emphasis on tight overhead cost management is increasingly paying off. This is clearly reflected in a decline in administration expenses in 2019. To conclude on the P&L, the group tax rate came in at 33 percentage points in 2019, representing an increase of 3 percentage points compared to the prior year. This development reflects anticipated additional expenses related to an external tax audit as Hugo Boss AG, something we flagged well in advance. Accordingly, net income saw a 10% decline to EUR 212 million , excluding the impact of IFRS 16.

Let's move over to the key balance sheet and cash flow items. As promised back in November, we were able to further reduce inventory growth also in the fourth quarter. Thanks to our strong emphasis on tightly managing inventories, our inventory position ended the year on par with the prior year level, adjusted for currency effects. As a result, trade net working capital improved by 3% year-on-year currency adjusted. Investments in our business were a key priority in the last year. In addition to the opening of our largest outlet globally, which Mark already mentioned, we also stepped up store renovations significantly in 2019. In this context, we upgraded close to 50 BOSS stores to the latest furniture concept last year and right-sized or relocated close to 10 stores.

We also further strengthened our IT and logistics infrastructure and continued to invest into the digitization of our business model. Capital expenditure in 2019 rose by 24% to EUR 192 million. Despite the decline in EBIT and higher CapEx, free cash flow in 2019 increased a strong 22% to EUR 207 million, excluding the impact from IFRS 16, reflecting the strong cash-generating of our business model. Improvements in trade net working capital that we achieved over the course of the last year were the main driver for this development. Let me conclude my review of the past fiscal year with a look at our dividend proposal. Already flagged back in November, we clearly recognize the importance of a reliable dividend for our shareholder base.

To ensure our shareholders will benefit from the long-term success of our business, we are committed to a sustainable and attractive dividend. This is no different for the 2019 fiscal year. Consequently, we will propose a dividend of EUR 2.75 per share for the 2019 financial year. The corresponding increase of EUR 0.05 compared to the prior year reflects our healthy balance sheet structure as well as our strong cash flow generation, which is expected to continue in the future. With this, ladies and gentlemen, let me hand back to Mark, who will give you an update on our strategic priorities as well as our financial ambitions for 2020.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you, Yves. Now, let's change perspective and move on to 2020. As you are all well aware, our industry is currently facing high levels of uncertainties caused by the ongoing spread of the coronavirus, which started to weigh on consumer sentiment late January. I will talk in detail about our assessment of the coronavirus in just a few minutes. Before I do that, however, let me be very clear about one thing. I'm absolutely convinced that in times of uncertainty, it's even more crucial that we stick to our game plan and continue to focus on the execution of our strategic initiatives. There's no doubt that our strategic growth drivers will continue to be the engine for sustainable, profitable growth in the coming years. Online, retail productivity, HUGO, and, once things get back to normal, also Asia Pacific.

Therefore, our priorities for 2020 will certainly include a strong commitment when it comes to the further execution of these strategic initiatives. This will, among others, include initiatives such as the further conversion of online partners into the concession model, the rollout of hugoboss.com to new markets, the optimization and modernization of BOSS stores in key locations, as well as the further push of HUGO in the contemporary fashion segment. Our priorities for 2020 will also include a firm commitment to elevating customer engagement around our core BOSS brand in order to drive brand desirability in the long run. Less than two weeks ago, BOSS revealed its fall/winter 2020 collection in a future-focused show at Milan Fashion Week. A new generation of BOSS men and women showcased designs that seamlessly merge the established codes of our house with the spirit of continual innovation.

Various celebrities and influencers, among others, our new eyewear testimonial, Hollywood actor Orlando Bloom, and the style icon Cara Delevingne, attended the event, thus creating buzz on social media. From a product perspective, our commitment to sustainability will become more visible than ever before with various sustainable product launches in the pipeline. In this context, 2020 will see the expansion of our traceable wool designs for menswear and the addition of womenswear pieces to the range. We are equally excited about the launch of our full vegan suit for BOSS, crafted at our Metzingen production facility from organic European-grown linen and made available worldwide in both our own retail stores as well as online. Last but not least, during the upcoming fall/winter collection, we will launch a responsible sailing collection inspired by our skipper, Alex Thomson. Another key focus area for 2020 will be North America.

Back in November, we laid the foundation to strengthen our business in the market by announcing Stephan Born as the new managing director of Hugo Boss Americas. As you know, Stephan brings great experience in both retail and wholesale from his former role as managing director of our Northern European markets, which includes the important and highly successful U.K. market. One of Stephan's key priorities will be the further optimization of our own retail store network by renovating existing BOSS stores, rightsizing selling space where appropriate, and exploiting opportunities to relocate to better locations. In this context, I'm very happy to announce that our important BOSS store in New York's SoHo district is currently relocating to an even better location close by, with the reopening planned already for the beginning of April. Exploiting the online opportunity in the Americas will be another priority for the upcoming year.

Over the course of this summer, Canada will see the go live of hugoboss.com and contribute to above-average growth in our online business in 2020. While wholesale will likely remain challenging also in the short term, it is and remains our firm goal to also stabilize our department store business in North America in 2020, with some first successes expected for the second half of the year. Ladies and gentlemen, with this, let me now talk you through our assessment with regards to the situation around coronavirus and the implication we expect it to have on our business. What are we seeing? First of all, we look back at a very promising and successful start to 2020, with three consecutive weeks of strong double-digit growth in Asia Pacific, reflecting a highly successful Chinese New Year.

Since the coronavirus began to spread in late January, approximately 60% of our more or less 150 retail points of sale in Greater China were closed throughout much of February. Those that remained open were not only operating at reduced hours, but more importantly, have recorded significant traffic decline of more than 80%. As we speak, across Greater China, traffic is still down substantially, including those stores that have since reopened. On top of this, since the beginning of February, we are recording a softer local consumption, as well as a noticeable decline in sales to Chinese tourists in other Asian markets, including Japan and South Korea, but also in some European countries, Italy obviously being one of them.

Already at the early stage back in January, we at Hugo Boss have put in place a cross-functional team to monitor the situation in China as well as other affected markets very closely and remain in constant contact with our colleagues there. While our first priority, of course, has been to protect our employees and our customers, we also mobilize all levers to mitigate the financial impact on our business as much as possible. First, we postponed major investments in Greater China. That includes postponing the majority of store openings and store renovations that were initially planned for H1 towards the second half of the year, as well as postponing key marketing campaigns and events.

Secondly, our global real estate management team, together with our experts on site, are in close contact with landlords in order to ease the burden of lease payments at least to some extent in the short term. Thirdly, in order to protect inventory levels, we reallocated merchandise to other markets wherever possible, while at the same time reducing merchandise inflow to China by cutting back orders for all retail stores. Last but not least, with regard to our supply chain, we have been in very close contact with our key Chinese partners during the last weeks. There haven't been any significant disruption to our supply chain so far, and our partners have already restarted their regular production processes.

Beyond these concrete initiatives that have already been implemented, let me also be very clear that in order to counteract the financial impact of the coronavirus at an early stage, we apply an even stronger focus when it comes to tightly managing our cost base. This includes the cancellation or postponement of any projects that are not deemed to be business-critical, particularly in areas of administrative costs, as well as a rigid reassessment of new hirings. Despite these measures, we estimate that the economic consequences of the current crisis will have a significant impact on our top and bottom line development in 2020, particularly in the first quarter. While the overall uncertainty remains elevated as we speak, we currently predict that the coronavirus will have a negative impact in the magnitude of a low double-digit million euro amount on our bottom line performance in Q1.

Before I begin guiding you through our financial ambitions for 2020, which takes the expected financial impact of the coronavirus into account, let me be very clear, I remain absolutely confident in the potential that both brands, BOSS and HUGO, have in Asia Pacific. This region is and will remain of utmost strategic importance for our company. What does this all mean for our top and bottom line expectation in 2020? Against the backdrop of the current macroeconomic uncertainties and taking into account the outlined assessment of the economic fallout of the coronavirus, we anticipate that group sales will develop within a range of 0% to +2% in 2020, adjusted for currency effects. Growth is expected to vary across regions. While we expect currency-adjusted sales to increase at a low single-digit percentage rate in Europe, the Americas are expected to see a largely stable development of currency-adjusted sales.

Impacted by the coronavirus, currency-adjusted sales in the Asia Pacific region are expected to decline at a single-digit percentage rate. Moving on to the bottom line, we expect EBIT to come in between EUR 320 million and EUR 350 million in 2020, with the top-line performance being the key element to the amount of EBIT that can be achieved. With respect to net income, we anticipate an increase of up to 10%. This should also be supported by an improvement in the group tax rate. Ladies and gentlemen, before we start with the Q&A, allow me to conclude by saying that although overall economic uncertainty will remain high in the short term, and is therefore expected to burden our financial results in 2020 to some extent, I'm fully convinced that we have built a robust platform over the last years to grow in a sustainable and profitable way.

Hugo Boss is well prepared for long-term success. The desirability of our brands, BOSS and HUGO, remains the most important factor in this regard. We will therefore continue to work consistently on executing our strategic initiatives in 2020 and beyond. This will form the basis for future shareholder value creation. On that front, my board colleagues and I will give you a detailed update on our strategic outlook during our upcoming Capital Markets Day, which will take place at our headquarters in Metzingen on June 18th and 19th, assuming that the situation around the coronavirus will have normalized by then. During the event, you will also get to know our new Chief Operating Officer, Heiko Schäfer, personally. I'm very excited that Heiko is joining the Hugo Boss family later this month. With his strong expertise around sourcing and production, there's no doubt that Heiko will further strengthen our managing board.

With this, ladies and gentlemen, Yves and I are now very happy to take your questions.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Once again, if you do wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel that request, press the hash key. Your first question comes from the line of Antoine Belge of HSBC. Please ask your question.

Antoine Belge
Analyst, HSBC

Yes. Good afternoon. It's Antoine Belge of HSBC. Three question, please. First of all, I'd like to have a clarification on what you said about the impact in Q1 from the virus. I think you said a low double-digit amount because you were quoted this morning on Reuters with a low single-digit amount. Low double-digit meaning, let's say, if it's around EUR 12 million, would that be comparable to the EUR 55 million you had in last year, around 25% impact? Second question relates to your guidance. You guided for the overall retail growth, but without quantifying a guidance for like-for-like. I think if my calculation are not too wrong, the contribution from the conversions like Zalando, plus the fact that some of your stores are reentering the like-for-like after renovation.

I'm assuming that most of the growth in retail would come from those effects rather than like-for-like, and I assume like-for-like flat, is that calculation broadly right? Second, regarding the U.S., whilst I understand fully the guidance for Asia, I was a bit surprised to see only flat for the U.S. Is there any impact from the virus there, or is it just that you need to do more cleaning in U.S. department stores and maybe, I don't know, outlet stores, et cetera? Thank you.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you, Antoine. Let me just clarify the first point. I hope it was just maybe a transfer mistake, but we were consistently guiding the market to expect a low double-digit impact on EBIT in the first quarter. We ask for your understanding. We can't make it even more concrete, because I think it's already quite precise quantification of the impact on Q1 at this point in time. It should have been also in the Reuters quote, "A low double-digit impact on EUR 1 million in the first quarter." We have not given a like-for-like guidance at this point in time. Clearly, as I said, driving same store productivity, square meter productivity remains one of our core elements, and you have seen good progress, even acceleration in the course of the year.

We have, I think in normal circumstances, the fourth quarter can be seen as a very good proxy that we're making very good progress in this regard. I would ask you for your understanding that clearly like-for-like, in particular for Asia with the closures, it has been severely affected. We are not in the position to give you a like-for-like guidance at this point in time. Hopefully, we'll have more clarity to that when we speak again later in the year. On Americas, you know that's a market that's still very much driven by the wholesale business. We have seen a very disappointing wholesale development throughout the course of the year. We do expect some improvement. However, we expect the wholesale business to still weigh negatively on our business to some extent, particularly in the first half of the year.

We have seen improvement on the retail side of our business. I think I flagged the flat like-for-like development in this region in the fourth quarter, which is a significant improvement towards the performance seen earlier the year. We feel comfortable with an overall flat development for the U.S. market. It's less for us impacted by tourism inflow, even so we have seen in Europe and North America, clearly also less Chinese tourism than we have seen 12 months ago.

Antoine Belge
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you. Maybe just a follow-up. I think you expect a gradual improvement. What about the notion of pent-up demand? This idea that you could catch up a bit of what was lost. I think that was discussed maybe more for handbags like Vuitton, et cetera. For your type of product, do you think that what is lost is lost due to seasonality, or do you expect that when demand will pick up, especially in China, that there will be pent-up demand, or is it not something that you've baked into your guidance?

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

We would always say to you that a sharp BOSS suit is a lifetime investment, and there's always a right time to purchase that, but we recognize that it's not the same commitment as maybe your Tiffany engagement ring. I think you're right in your assumption that we have to assume that apparel is a bit more buy now, wear now than some other luxury categories. You might wait a couple of years for your Kelly bag, but that's not our core business model. I think that's not part of our assumption to see that some of the demands will recoup in the second half. We talk about a normalization of demand, but not that there will be something that will come back stronger than we would expect on a normalized level.

Antoine Belge
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you very much.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thanks, Antoine.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jürgen Kolb of Kepler Cheuvreux. Please ask your question.

Jürgen Kolb
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes. Hi there. Thank you very much. Two questions from my side. First of all, on free cash flow generation, I would like to have your views and your comments on the drivers of free cash flow this year. I understand you don't want to give precise guidance, but maybe some thoughts on the individual levers of the free cash flow generation, especially with a focus on the networking capital. Within this networking capital, specifically on the inventory situation, where you see the challenges, how you try to mitigate the situation there, that would be helpful. The second thing is more precise on a certain product category, and here, specifically on the suit side. I think when it comes to BOSS, the brand BOSS, you mentioned that also the business or the more formal dressing was actually doing fine for you.

Maybe a couple of words on the suit as a category, how you see that evolving and how it performed, especially in 2019. Thank you.

Yves Müller
CFO, Hugo Boss

Good afternoon, Jürgen. I'll try to take the first question regarding the free cash flow and regarding net working capital. In our assumptions, I think the receivable part and the trade payables are more or less perceived on the same level. I think the key question is referring to the inventories. I think we have improved our situation until the year-end to 2019 already. Of course, we will be affected by the virus performance in terms of outflow. For the time being, we take every measurement that we can take. For example, reallocating existing merchandise to other markets that are demanding those merchandise. Being more concrete, so transferring it from Asia to other markets like Europe and in the Americas.

Secondly, clearly what we are doing is that we are reducing the retail buy for the second half of the year in order to mitigate the risk. These are measurements that we have already taken in order to tackle the issue of the inventories. To be very frank, the uncertainty is very high at the moment regarding inventories, and I think every guidance is like a crystal ball. It's not very serious if I talk about these things.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Let me follow up on the question on suiting, where, as you know, we were in Milan with our fashion presentation on the BOSS women's wear and the BOSS menswear. There was a clear trend to sophisticated tailoring. A lot of voices in the industry are predicting that the hype around this merge between luxury and sportswear, to some extent, is getting back to normal. We are quite happy to see that because if any brand stands for a tailoring competence, it's BOSS. We have seen a very solid demand for our suit business. Am I happy with my 2019 performance in suit? I would still say no. That's why we are working very intensively with Ingo and the team on some new initiatives. The Vision Suit is just one. We were overwhelmed almost by the demand for the Traceable Wool Initiative.

There's clearly a strong demand for newness, great stories to tell. Also in terms of price points, I think that's more relevant for the German market, but it's a very sizable market. We have now taken first orders. We have received a feedback from the important German wholesale partners, and this was a very strong reception from the market that BOSS is now entering this in terms of volume and profitability, important price segment of EUR 399 and EUR 449 price points that were not covered as part of our global pricing strategy. To be very clear, it's not a lowering of prices. It's an additional offer that we are now introducing with BOSS in this German market, which will already give us a good impact, a positive impact on our wholesale revenues for the second half of 2020.

Jürgen Kolb
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Excellent. Very good. Thank you.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thanks, Jürgen.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Elena Mariani of Morgan Stanley. Please ask your question.

Elena Mariani
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hi, good afternoon, Mark and Yves. A couple of questions from me as well. The first one is about the trends you have observed at the beginning of the year. You've mentioned that you've seen strong double-digit growth in Asia. I was very curious to hear whether even in Europe and in the U.S., you have seen a sequential improvement versus last year. This would be helpful for us to understand how things were trending, excluding the impact of the virus and the overall brand momentum before the outbreak. The second question is about your guidance.

I just want to understand whether in the bottom part of your guidance, so basically flattish organic growth and EBIT declining year-on-year, you are factoring in a potential meaningful slowdown in travel retail and maybe a longer than expected travel ban across several geographies that might go well beyond the next couple of months. Is this factored in at this point, or you believe that right now, it's too early to tell, and if the situation is going to be worse than expected in Europe, maybe your current guidance will need to be readjusted? Thank you.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you, Elena. It was truly a very encouraging start into the year. I'm happy that we didn't give our full year guidance on the second week of January, we would be a bit caught on the wrong foot in this regard. It's not worth much now to say, the world has clearly changed. We have to deal with the consequences from the coronavirus. You're right, it gives us some confidence that we are seeing a continuation of the positive momentum in the U.S., in Europe. The trend that we have seen in the fourth quarter, I'm absolutely convinced is the underlying trend to our business, that also will help us to, once we get this coronavirus behind us, will help us to drive our business.

Again, it confirms that the four growth drivers initiatives to our business are actually paying off because it's particularly resonated well in the fourth quarter. As I said at the beginning of the year, growth in Asia, online growth, HUGO, intense productivity improvements. You're right. We have not a crystal ball to predict to what duration and to what extent important markets will be affected by the coronavirus. We have to deal with the fact that our business has been already affected significantly in China, to a lesser extent in other Asian markets. Our guidance factors in not a short-term recovery, but we expect a return to normalized trading over the summer. Which will make the total duration on the impact of the business between four to six months from the outbreak.

Of course, we expect, like we already see with the number of new cases in China to stabilize, that already in the second quarter, we'll see, at least in China, a smaller impact than we have seen now in the course of February. That's already reflected by the fact that the large majority of our stores are back in operations in China. We do expect that Asia-Pacific, in particular Japan, Korea, and Singapore, will have an impact beyond just the Chinese tourism that have clearly declined. Also, domestic consumption is affected. I think Antoine asked a question earlier about impact in Americas and Europe. Yes, we are all aware that certain cities, certain destinations in Europe are clearly sought after by Chinese tourism, and this is also affecting our business. We have seen Europe and Americas to be less affected. Your assessment is absolutely right.

A flat net sales development, from today's perspective, would be the more severe impact from the coronavirus from what we know today, which just then makes the lower end of our earning guidance more likely. If we see an earlier or less intense impact from coronavirus, we expect to deliver a 2% top-line growth, currency adjusted, and to deliver against the upper end of our EBIT guidance. We will provide you in due course, Q1 will be our first reporting card in actual performance. Our AGM meeting in May and later at the capital markets, we will not only give you an updated projection for 2020, but also when we do expect to achieve also on the time axis, to achieve the 15% EBIT margin that we still see as a midterm objective to our group.

Elena Mariani
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Just two small follow-ups. Sorry, I wasn't clear whether you've actually seen any improved performance in Europe and in the U.S. at the beginning of January. Then second follow-up, can you tell us a little bit more about what you have seen in Europe across your retail store network over the past couple of weeks? Thank you.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Just to be clear, Elena, I know there's a lot of question about current trading. We will not comment any further on current trading on the first quarter, particularly by markets and regions. To answer your question more precisely, we have seen a continuation of the positive trends from the fourth quarter also going into the first couple of weeks of trading in Europe. Also here we have now a new situation because also America and Europe, to a lesser extent, is affected by the spreading of the virus into these regions of the world.

Elena Mariani
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thank you very much.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thanks, Elena.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jaina Mistry of Deutsche Bank. Please ask your question.

Jaina Mistry
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I've got two quick ones. First off, could you talk about how you see gross margins evolving in full year 2020 and the key moving parts there? My second question is, could you tell us how many stores will be in the like-for-like calculation in 2020, and what this number was for 2019?

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Let me start with the second one, because that's something we have to ensure that we have a similar level of disclosure. We have to review on which granularity we provide the size of our like-for-like universe. This is something where I will ask our investor relations teams who's also present today, to check whether we have this information available. Just in terms of, to be clear for everybody, our like-for-like universe is always redefined at the beginning of the year based on all stores that have opened and operated for the last 12 months. There's a continuous change due to new openings, renovations to that. We probably can give you after the call indication. It's now the first rough cut estimation from the team that in terms of percentages, not much changed. About two-thirds of our retail network is represented by like-for-like.

We will check whether we can give you more color to that or not. If you want to give the answer question on gross margin.

Yves Müller
CFO, Hugo Boss

The gross margin. We didn't give a concrete guidance for the gross margin because of the high uncertainties overall that we are seeing, and we want to simplify actually our financial KPIs as well in our guidance. I think the moving parts for the gross margin to come will be actually an expected positive effect from channel mix, due to more moving parts from wholesale to retail. This will be a positive effect. A negative effect might be coming from higher rebates that can be granted because of the coronavirus situation. These are the moving parts, and I just can repeat myself, it's of high uncertainty at this moment.

Jaina Mistry
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you. If I can ask just one quick follow-up. Do you expect your currency to be positive on gross margins this year?

Yves Müller
CFO, Hugo Boss

For the time being, we expect that the currency will not have a severe effect on the gross margin so far. Of course, this is a moving part in the course of the year as well. For the time being, that's the case.

Jaina Mistry
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thank you.

Yves Müller
CFO, Hugo Boss

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Kathryn Parker of Jefferies. Please ask your question.

Kathryn Parker
Analyst, Jefferies

Hi. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. My first question is on the creation of the COO role. I was wondering if you plan to make any changes to your sourcing, and maybe what changes you were hoping to achieve with the procurement and production. My second question is on the store refurbishments to the new store concept. I wondered if you could give any guidance on how many extra stores you plan to refurbish or relocate in 2020.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Yeah. First, let me say, I'm extremely happy with the performance of our refurbished stores. I know increasingly everybody of you have been able to visit them, either you're based in London, Paris, or now a few weeks from now, also in Soho in New York. We have, as I said on the call already, more than 100 with the new concept, and we are planning to add about 50, either with new stores, renovation, relocation, that will have this new store concept where we're absolutely convinced that it's not only a far better customer experience visiting these stores, but it's also an important element to drive higher sales density. We will continue. As I said, in Asia, we will have some delays due to technical constraints. Some of these malls are now closed.

We are sticking to our game plan to renovate and bring about 50 POS to the new level. The appointment of Heiko Schäfer is something, as I said, I'm very happy and excited about, that the supervisory board appointed him as the Chief Operating Officer to Hugo Boss. First, it's his experience. He has demonstrated a long track record working at Adidas and working in other fashion firms, especially in a faster-moving environment, that he brings a different perspective in speeding up our development and sourcing processes. He has demonstrated a very keen focus developing and sourcing product at superior quality at very competitive prices. Our COGS element is a major element where we continue to see significant opportunities to drive profitability going forward.

Last but not least, what I found especially exciting about him, he is one of the leading hands, expert in the industry when it comes to further digitalization in our development processes to take full advantage of technology when it comes to taking later design decisions. To take something that's clearly not broken, but it's already in good shape, but to take it from good to great is clearly a mandate we expect Heiko to deliver at Hugo Boss.

Kathryn Parker
Analyst, Jefferies

Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you for your time.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Thomas Chauvet of Citi. Please ask your question.

Thomas Chauvet
Analyst, Citi

Good afternoon. Thank you. I have two questions, please. First one on cost inflation. If I take the midpoint of your revenue guidance, so let's say plus one organic and the midpoint of your EBIT guidance at EUR 335 million, that implies very low single-digit cost inflation this year, assuming obviously some gross margin pressure. Is that a fair assumption for cost growth this year? If the revenue guidance were revised down due to disruption from coronavirus in H2, have you identified additional cost saving you could cut in the second half of the year? Secondly, maybe Mark, could you share with us some of the topics of discussions you had with the supervisory board over the past few months or the past year, and particularly with the Marzotto brothers, given they've recently raised their stake to 15%. They've been a longstanding partner and believer in Hugo Boss.

I don't know if there's anything you can share now or if that's something for discussion at the Capital Markets Day. Thank you.

Yves Müller
CFO, Hugo Boss

Thomas, I will take the first question regarding cost inflation. I think your hypothesis overall is right. What we all do is clearly to execute on the efficiency program that we are doing in order to limit the cost inflation in every respect. This is what we continuously doing. Even now in these times, in these troubling times, I think we are even more focusing on these cost items. Just to give you one indication, perhaps in our guidance, you have seen that from a nominal point of view, that the investments will go down in comparison to 2019. There is one big effect, of course, because in the last years there have been the big investment into the factory outlet in Metzingen.

On the other side, I can tell you that we clearly are increasing the efficiency of the CapEx by around 20% to 25% in order to somehow speed up our remodeling without increasing our investments and without losing the quality of the products. Just to give you one example of those. Of course, we are very active, as Mark pointed out during his speech, to cover all the remaining costs, especially in China. If the stores are not open, we go there, and we negotiate with the landlords in order to get some short-term release on the rental expenses. What I try to convey is we are very close to the business and try to somehow mitigate the negative effects coming from less top line to compensate this on the cost side.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thomas, to the second part of the question, I think it's clear that any discussion between the managing board and the supervisory board is clearly confidential, and we will not comment on any of these internal discussions publicly. I think there were two events, and I think you already were referring to that. One was the increase in the shareholding from the Marzotto family, which was sizable. It was almost a 50% increase in their shareholding above the threshold of 15%, which also we decided, in collaboration with Luca Marzotto, who is representing Marzotto family and is also a member of our supervisory board.

That first, to be very clear, we are very happy by the support and the investment and the commitment from the Marzotto family demonstrated by this increase in investment, because it's a dual role that Luca and Gaetano clearly represent as member of the supervisory board, but also as our single largest shareholder, that this should be seen by the capital market as endorsement that this company has potential that's not fully reflected yet. There's a strong belief in the potential from strategic initiative that we're working on. The second is what we announced today. Of course, there was an intense discussion on the extension to the managing board. As I said earlier, I'm very happy that we have a very broad consensus that this is an important role that should be filled on the managing board.

It has a full endorsement from the existing managing board, and we are truly looking forward to Heiko joining us in a few days. What we will share with you as part of the Capital Markets Day in June is clearly then aligned with the supervisory board. What is our financial ambition for the years to come? Where do we stand in executing in 2020 despite the impact of a headwind from coronavirus? This will be next important data point that we'll share with you, but which is, again, very aligned with the supervisory board.

Thomas Chauvet
Analyst, Citi

Thank you. Just to follow up on the COO appointment. Mark, in what way will your CEO role evolve in terms of your day-to-day, your main focus? What are the new projects maybe you had in mind and you couldn't implement because of being perhaps a little bit stretched? Is there anything you can share in the way the CEO/COO structure will evolve and your role in particular?

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Yeah, it's a very valid point. To be clear, first, I will ensure that I have a smooth transition in responsibilities on the operation side. I'm absolutely confident that this will happen in a very smooth and effective way. It's clearly also the intention to give me more time to focus even more on the retail and wholesale side of our business. I think it's an absolutely right thing now to do to give me also my role for the key function that is decisive for our success going forward. The flexibility and ability to take even more focus and time to deal with our markets and distribution channels and business partners. That's clearly intention from us.

Thomas Chauvet
Analyst, Citi

Thank you, Mark. Wishing you well.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you, Thomas.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Philippe Frey of Warburg Research. Please ask your question.

Philipp Frey
Analyst, Warburg Research

Hello, gentlemen. A couple of questions from my side. First of all, I think you alluded already on your happiness with your refurbished stores. I think in the past you provided us some numbers on the productivity uplift. Can you be a bit more precise there as well, and particularly compare the performance of the newly renovated stores with the older cohorts, which you started? How much difference are you seeing there? Secondly, regarding your online concessions, can you comment a bit on the volume uplift you are seeing upon conversion into concessions? Is it fair to assume that your volumes also increase, not only your sales, which should be obviously the case? Lastly, a bit on your budget for like-for-like cost of your retail network. Is it fair to say that this is likely to stay below inflation in this year, or what's your take there?

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Yeah. Let's start with the first one, with the refurbished stores. I think overall it's clear. We have seen this also for the last full quarter that we talked about, that we have seen, particularly for these stores, which in the vast majority are still in the non-like-for-like part of our business because they have been renovated over the last one or two years. We are very happy that we have seen a very encouraging uplift compared to the pre-performance of these stores. We continue to see the trend of a better sales contribution, higher sales densities from the refurbished store. I think it will be a key element because driving sales density is one of our four most important strategic initiatives.

We will focus on that one as part of our Capital Markets Day in June in more details to give you also more color and more numbers to what is the specific uplift we have seen pre- and post-renovation. On online concession, we believe there are clear reasons why we see also unit sales uplift post the conversion, which makes also this conversion attractive both for Hugo Boss and also our former partners. Very often we convert from wholesale to retail. The most obvious one is the access to a significantly larger inventory pool once the inventory is managed by Hugo Boss versus the partner. Given the size of our own hugoboss.com e-com business, the pooling effect across major now big online platforms like Zalando, which is in concession.

Clearly any new partner now has the enormous benefit that whenever this partner now joins the concession business in key regions, Europe and North America. It's very attractive for them because their gross merchandise value will clearly increase with the access to the full inventory depth of Hugo Boss. To what degree we have seen now also in terms of unit sales acceleration, it's very difficult to quantify. Sometimes we look at percentage growth rate, absolute growth rate prior and post. In most cases, to your point of view, we have seen the expected uplift also in unit sales. We not only see the retail conversion effect on top line, but also an acceleration in the unit sales. Now you need to help me on the third question, was

Yves Müller
CFO, Hugo Boss

Budget below cost inflation.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Well, as I said, the one we have to manage now short term is that we are smart in terms of staffing. That we ensure that staffing, and this is something we work with from our personal management, that we have the right staffing levels to manage our pay-to-sales . Which in making the year is difficult in some cases because we don't want to lose high talents during this time of depressed sales. Where we see a high willingness, especially from Asian landlords, to help or to work together, is to get at least a temporary cut on rental obligation. This will help us to mitigate the impact on the inflationary aspects. These are the two elements we work with a strong focus, as we mentioned in the call, to get rent concessions from landlords, and we're making good progress in this respect.

Philipp Frey
Analyst, Warburg Research

All the best.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you, Philippe.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Thierry Cota of Société Générale. Please ask your question.

Thierry Cota
Analyst, Société Générale

Yes, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. First, on the outlet sales, I believe they rose as a percentage of sales last year. I was wondering whether this was due to a switch of the markdown business from stores to outlets, notably in the context of the Metzingen reopening, or is it reflecting a rise of markdown revenues as a whole? If you could provide a measure actually of these overall markdown revenues. Secondly, on online business, on the retail online business, if we could have a breakdown on the EUR 151 million full year sales reported. On my estimates, but they could be totally wrong, I'm sensing that the boss.com sales grew at around a mid-single digit pace last year. I was wondering if that was correct and if you had a vision, a slowdown for that part of the online business. Thank you.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Let me start with the outlet question. You're right. One of our decisions also when you talk about the online concession is that it gives us more control at which price, in which circumstances, merchandise that was not sold at full price will be dealt with at the end of season. Like we have done in physical retail, we would rather prefer to rotate fresh merchandise on these full-price locations than to use these full-price sales outlets for secondary distribution. That's one of the elements that we have seen a shift of revenues from, which was indirectly part of our wholesale online concession, now to our own controlled outlet distribution. That's one aspect. What is also clear, whenever you go to Woodbury Common in New York or Bicester, these are winning sales format just voted by consumers.

Whether we like it or not, I was in La Vallée just before Christmas. I saw the long line, especially outside of the Gucci store. There is clearly a preference for many consumers to take advantage of the price discounts offered by the brands in a factory outlet environment. Our objective is to be best in class when it comes to menswear apparel in these outlets. The productivity improvements, also the upgrades we have done in Bicester, in Woodbury, and the most pronounced one is now in Metzingen, is clearly that we will ensure a world-class shopping experience also in these outlets. It is two factors. We are absolutely in favor to clear old inventories rather through our outlets, which is giving us access to inventory. Second, also to have in the world-class outlets, a good presence.

Overall, we expect our outlet share to be around 25% on retail. This is what we consider as a healthy balance for our business. The year 2019 was the year where we've seen stronger growth in our outlet business relative to the full-price business.

Thierry Cota
Analyst, Société Générale

And-

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Please go ahead, Thierry.

Thierry Cota
Analyst, Société Générale

No, sorry. Excuse me. I was wondering, to get a sense of the scale of the markdown revenues as a whole, is it fair to estimate them at about half of the group sales through outlets?

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

As a unit sale or value sale?

Thierry Cota
Analyst, Société Générale

On revenues.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

No, that's much smaller. As I said, it's about 25%. Well, today it's slightly higher, but our target is to have around 25% of our retail sales via factory outlets.

Thierry Cota
Analyst, Société Générale

I meant including the markdowns in stores.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

If you calculate it that way, Thierry, I think that's a number nobody in the industry can provide you because there's a natural part of also a store, maybe not at Louis Vuitton, but any other player in the industry, to offer your customers an end of season sale. I think it's a valid strategy to pursue also to offer for a limited time period, also sales periods in our stores. We will not separate these as outlet sales. This is a natural part of an apparel business to have a sales period also in our full-price stores.

Thierry Cota
Analyst, Société Générale

Okay.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Just to clarify on the .com versus the concessions, I'm not sure how you calculated that, but the development of our own .com business is higher than what you estimated. We do not provide a breakdown between the concession, which is more driven, but also clearly by the expansion of the business. It's not organic in 2019, but also the .com growth was above the mid-single digits that you indicated.

Thierry Cota
Analyst, Société Générale

Okay, great. Thank you very much, Mark.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you, Thierry.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Piral Dadhania of RBC. Please ask your question.

Piral Dadhania
Analyst, RBC

Cool. Thank you, everybody. Good afternoon. Most of my questions have been answered, but seeing what is on the line, maybe I could ask around the range and the offer overall. Could you perhaps talk around what changes or improvements you're making in terms of the overall range architecture, both in terms of the breadth and depth of SKUs across key categories? Then maybe just provide a little bit more color as to the rationale and the broader thinking around building out entry price suit offer in Europe. Is that a sign of things to come, perhaps, in terms of further development of the overall merchandise offer? Secondly, if I could maybe just come back to e-commerce growth for 2019 and ask the question in a slightly different way.

Are you able to perhaps help us understand what the underlying like-for-like or the excluding conversion number percentage growth would be for e-commerce for the year, just to help us get a feel for what the underlying trend is doing before adding on the impact of conversions? Thank you very much.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Yeah, let's start with the second one. Clearly, you have seen the 35% overall growth in e-com with the acceleration in the fourth quarter. The like-for-like is predominantly our own .com business. It's a smarter way to get the number that Thierry was already trying to get from us because the like-for-like based on the concession is very small. Let's stick with it's a low double-digit growth on a like-for-like base to give you an indication for our overall e-com business that's either controlled via concession or .com. In terms of complexity, yes, it's an addition in terms of complexity. What we will now introduce is not a dramatic expansion on our suit offering with these new price points offered in Central Europe. Overall, I'm happy with the streamlining of complexity that was a side effect on the two-brand strategy.

Particularly for BOSS, where we have integrated the BOSS Green and BOSS Orange offer into the overall BOSS offer. We have seen over the last years a significant optimization, in particular in the sportswear part, taking out overlaps between BOSS Black, BOSS Orange and BOSS Green with the now integrated offer. The rationalization on complexity is more or less done, and we have seen over the last seasons a relatively stable development in the overall complexity. This is something we have to review season by season, and it might be also an element in the discussion with Heiko now in his new role, that we see that we will further optimize and streamline the offering.

Keeping in mind that particularly we are our own biggest customer, and the way we can bundle volumes for our own retail businesses will allow us not only to manage complexity in the development, but also to have better sourcing volume when it comes to buying and producing these sportswear goods in the future.

Piral Dadhania
Analyst, RBC

Okay, brilliant. Thank you. Yeah. We had the underlying like for like at about +11%, +12% for e-com. Just on the product maybe, since you've integrated BOSS Orange, BOSS Green, BOSS Black into your new label or banner structure, could you help us or remind us how much you've rationalized the overall SKU count? How many sort of duplicate lines or products have you taken out of the business to reduce that complexity that you refer to?

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

As I said, what's particularly important for the sportswear part, which is also in terms of revenue, is the larger part to it, because we didn't offer suiting on the Orange and Green. If you take 18 as a base, we've reduced on the sportswear side roughly 30% of the complexity until the fiscal year 2020.

Piral Dadhania
Analyst, RBC

Got it. Will it also be a similar number for jeans, polo T-shirts and other sort of large-.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Exactly. It's all part of what we describe as casual wear or sportswear.

Piral Dadhania
Analyst, RBC

Yeah.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

It's exactly jeans, T-shirts, outerwear, jersey product in general are key, and knitwear are key elements on this part where we're seeing this optimization.

Piral Dadhania
Analyst, RBC

Brilliant. Thank you very much, Mark.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thank you for your time.

Operator

Thank you. Your last question comes from the line of Volker Bosse of Baader Bank. Please ask your question.

Volker Bosse
Analyst, Baader Bank

Hello, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my question. Three questions. First, on coronavirus, do you expect any disruptions in your Asian production supply chain which could become visible in the second half of 2020 with the delivery of the fall/winter collection into your stores? Second question is on the new COO. What are the key and most urgent projects on Mr. Schäfer's agenda? Final question is on the women's segment, which was, again, down by minus 2%. What is the strategic outlook for the women's segment going forward? Thank you.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Let me start with the womenswear. We have seen also for womenswear, a very solid finish to the year. Return to growth, even if it was a bit more muted. I'm overall happy with the development we have seen. Also, the feedback now for the upcoming collection is positive. There's clearly, with the support that you're seeing with the fashion show in Milan. As we speak, there's a major launch, one of the so-called blockbuster fragrance launches together with Coty on a womenswear fragrance, womenswear only. It's not like with BOSS The Scent, both gender unisex launch is now live. BOSS Alive as a fragrance as a womenswear with a strong testimonial with Emma Thompson. I'm very happy to see good momentum on womenswear. Let's see what will be the development we see in 2020.

On the coronavirus, on the sourcing side, I think we gave a brief statement already as part of the call. As we speak, we see all our Asian suppliers being back in operation. There was a slower startup of production due to the fact that travel within China was a bit restricted. We see no disruption in our supply chain, which could have an impact on product availability for our fall/winter merchandise. We are rather now taking a cautious view on some of these buying decisions, as I said earlier. We do not expect a disruption from a sourcing side to that.

The priorities from Heiko Schäfer, I think I touched on that already earlier on this call. It's further enhancing capabilities on our operation sourcing and production side. There's clearly an enormous opportunity to become even more efficient in terms of product costing in the product engineering, and this is an area where he brings particular expertise from his former role. It's not only on the cost-value ratio for our product, it's also on the development process as such, where he's demonstrated in previous assignments that he is capable to install a very fast reactive development processes that allows also our creative teams to take later design decisions on colors, on certain fabrics, using digital development platforms that we have started to introduce. I believe with his experience and his knowledge, he will just take it to the next level. These are just two.

As we said, he will be starting a few days from now. Clearly, he will bring a fresh view to the operational functioning of Hugo Boss, and he will clearly be available to you to bring his perspective to it when you will meet him at the Capital Markets Day in June.

Volker Bosse
Analyst, Baader Bank

Okay, perfect. Thank you very much, and all the best. Thank you.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Thanks, Volker, for your time.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions. Please continue.

Mark Langer
CEO, Hugo Boss

Well, thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your time today, for joining our call. As always, if there are any specific numbers you would like to dig into in more detail, where you were not happy with the answer from the CFO or CEO, Christian and his team are on standby to answer your questions. Let me conclude with thanking you for the participation, and hope to see you soon. Bye-bye.